How Do I Eliminate the Need to Sign in Twice?
Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
have to Sign in twice.
The first one is a normal "Sign in - Windows Live ID" dialog box.
The second one reads, "Please enter your user name and password for the
following server: http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v2.0.0"
How do I eliminate the need to Sign in twice?
GbH
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Is the 'DeltaSync' Hotmail account(hotmail.com,live.com, or msn.com) is accessible at http://mail.live.com or hotmail.com ?
Some of the possibilities
a. an incorrect username/password in that email account's configuration/properties
- clear the username/password, reenter both and check remember password (note use the full username e.g. user...@hotmail.com)
b. a corrupted useraname/pw (file or registry)
- remove the account, close WLM, reenter the account, username/password,check remember pw
c. A verification issue that would require one to logon to mail.live.com and reenter a string of characters shown in a dialog box
in a second dialog box
d. a failure to sync the account in WLM or timeout
e. a server side issue at Microsoft end.
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...winston,
Thanks for the prompt reply. My thoughts --
You wrote > The first sign in is for Windows Live, not your email account,
which is the latter.
Hmmm. Possibly (I'm no expert) but it's the Sign in dialog box that
opens when I select Windows Live Mail from the Programs list so I'm thinking
that it's my mail account.
> Is the 'DeltaSync' Hotmail account(hotmail.com,live.com, or msn.com) is accessible at http://mail.live.com or hotmail.com ?
Beats the heck out of me. I have no idea what "DeltaSync" is. All I
know is that I had a live.com e-mail address. After a few months I received
a notice that I could/should upgrade to take advantage of on-line storage and
the like. I did so and now I must sign in twice.
>
> Some of the possibilities
> a. an incorrect username/password in that email account's configuration/properties
> - clear the username/password, reenter both and check remember password (note use the full username e.g. user...@hotmail.com)
You say, "An incorrect username/password in that email account's
configuration/properties."
Again, I don't think so. I don't receive a Username/Password mismatch
message and my live.com e-mail opens with my old e-mail. But that's when I
receive the second Sign in dialog box that I need to use to receive my new
e-mail.
You went on to say that I should, "Clear the username/password..." I
guess that you mean for me to clear them in the first dialog box. It
remembers my Username but not my password. It works so I don't think I have
a need to clear my remembered Username.
> b. a corrupted useraname/pw (file or registry)
> - remove the account, close WLM, reenter the account, username/password,check remember pw
I would rather run through the dump in my bare feet than jump through
those hoops. It would be easier for me to just forget live.com and tell the
only person who sends me e-mail there to go back to using my other e-mail
address.
> c. A verification issue that would require one to logon to mail.live.com and reenter a string of characters shown in a dialog box
> in a second dialog box
> d. a failure to sync the account in WLM or timeout
> e. a server side issue at Microsoft end.
As my wife says, "Whatever."
...winston
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> ...winston,
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply. My thoughts --
>
> You wrote > The first sign in is for Windows Live, not your email account,
> which is the latter.
> Hmmm. Possibly (I'm no expert) but it's the Sign in dialog box that
> opens when I select Windows Live Mail from the Programs list so I'm thinking
> that it's my mail account.
Correct, that logs on the selected Live ID(some have more than one are available) to Windows Live.. It does not logon to Windows
Live Mail.
>
>> Is the 'DeltaSync' Hotmail account(hotmail.com,live.com, or msn.com) is accessible at http://mail.live.com or hotmail.com ?
> Beats the heck out of me. I have no idea what "DeltaSync" is. All I
> know is that I had a live.com e-mail address. After a few months I received
> a notice that I could/should upgrade to take advantage of on-line storage and
> the like. I did so and now I must sign in twice.
Select an account(left hand pane) in Mail mode, right click on the account, select properties, look on the Server tab.
If it is using DeltaSync the server will be one of these
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v2.0.0/Sync.aspx
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/sync.aspx
- the former is suggested, change if not
If it is using Pop3 the servers will be pop3.live.com and smtp.live.com
If you find another resolution than previously suggested...let us know. Good Luck.
Smirnoff
The reason I ask is that I am in the process of trying to get my auto
log in working again. I am in contact with the Technical Support team,
so won't dwell on that in this post.
I have an old (legacy) hotmail.com account which was working fine in
WLM. One thing I noticed when uninstalling/reinstalling WLMail in an
effort to fix the problem, was that (if I chose to leave it to auto
configuration) the hotmail server changed from:
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp
to
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v2.0.0/sync.aspx
I still received my hotmail messages using the new address but am just
wondering if temporarily changing to the old server address may fix your
problem.
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Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
Again, thanks for the reply and thanks staying with this.
You wrote "Select an account(left hand pane) in Mail mode, right click on
the account, select properties, look on the Server tab.
If it is using DeltaSync the server will be one of these
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v2.0.0/Sync.aspx
http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/sync.aspx
- the former is suggested, change if not"
Yup. It's http://mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v2.0.0/sync.aspx. So I
don't need to change that, right?
Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
You asked, "Do you also have a hotmail.com account?"
Yes, but it's not the same Username and it's not been used for several
years. I have often thought (1) that it has probably perished for lack of
use and (2) I should send a test e-mail to it to see if it completes. I've
not done either because my time can be used more productively and I really
don't care.
BTW, that's how I'm feeling about this dual Sign in situation. I don't like
the dual Sign in requirement but the remedy is taking more time than the
problem. Since there are several choices for trouble free e-mail, I have the
feeling that I should abandon WLM or stop trying to fix it.
Thanks for the help.
...winston
Are you clear the difference in signing on to Windows Live vs. the username/pw necessary to obtain mail ?
The former permits WLM to synchronize your contacts, calendar with the web stored versions, the latter just sends/receives/syncs
mail.
The former(sign in to Windows Live) is not required to accomplish the latter. One can still send and receive mail etc, though the
only contacts and calendar available will be those locally available from WLM(default account is in use if a Live ID is not used to
sign in to Windows Live)
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GbH
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Probably because when he attempted to 'sign in' he was asked for it!
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>> If you haven't used it for years, then why add the account to WLMail?
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N. Miller
> You asked, "Do you also have a hotmail.com account?"
>
> Yes, but it's not the same Username and it's not been used for several
> years. I have often thought (1) that it has probably perished for lack of
> use and (2) I should send a test e-mail to it to see if it completes. I've
> not done either because my time can be used more productively and I really
> don't care.
Windows Live automatically closes unused email accounts; though they have
changed the time limits to dormancy (email is deleted, but account can be
reactivated) and closure (account is history, and sending email to that
account will fail). Unless you have a need, or just a desire, to resurrect
an abandoned Hotmail account, I don't see the point of adding it to WLMail.
> BTW, that's how I'm feeling about this dual Sign in situation. I don't like
> the dual Sign in requirement but the remedy is taking more time than the
> problem. Since there are several choices for trouble free e-mail, I have the
> feeling that I should abandon WLM or stop trying to fix it.
There is no "Dual Sign In" requirement. Pleas re-read '...winston's post
until you fully comprehend what he is trying to tell you. If you go to Tools
| Connection and click on the "Stop signing in" button, you will not have to
deal with the "first" sign on, which is just the log in where Windows Live
will synchronize your local Contact List (in WLMail) with your stored
contacts (on the Windows Live servers). You can still get your email after
you do that.
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Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> If you haven't used it for years, then why add the account to WLMail?
R. Sommer,
I apologize for not making myself clear in my response to Smirnoff's
question asking if I have an old hotmail.com account.
I have an old hotmail.com account that I have ignored for years. I don't
care that it may have been deleted for non-use. So I had to answer "Yes, I
have an old account." (I couldn't say "No.") Then I went on with an attempt
to explain that it isn't part of this dual Sign-in problem.
(Sorry that it wasn't clear.)
So—I certainly have no desire to add that account to WLM.
Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
"GbH" wrote:
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> Probably because when he attempted to 'sign in' he was asked for it!
>
GbH,
No. I answered "Yes" 'cause I have one. It's old, not currently used, not
added to WLM, not addressed when I sign in and, I think, not relevant.
: )
GbH
Unfortunately this 'Sign In' button/feature presented on the top level
is horribly confusing to the new user. And as you say irrelevant to an
email client/newsreader.
Unfortunately too is the reason it is there: the apparent headlong rush
by M$ into cloud cuckoo computing.
They have abandoned the imbedded email clients they previously provided,
OE and WM in favour of WLM which still requires significant development
before it can be considered a viable replacement. Its functionality in
terms of a reliable client leaves an awful lot to be desired, sometimes
it works or rather some of it works some of the time. The UI style is an
absolute disaster, basic requirements there have been abandoned, many
people just cannot read it! The 'message rules' do not function
manually, I'm not entirely convinced they function automatically, manual
non-functionality prevents checking a rule's operation.
The 'compaction/save disk space' function doesn't operate reliably and
if/when it does it doesn't do what it says. It doesn't compact, nor save
disk space, those terms were hangovers from OE and are irrelevant in
WLM, It seems to re-index the filestore, something it also seems to do
automatically when the program is opened anyway, and more often than not
when one attempts to close it. It gaily polls for new mail unrequited!
even when instructed not to do so.
These are just the deficiencies that bug me, I'm sure there are many
other's I've yet to discover. M$ although informed of these 'bugs', they
are surely more than 'bugs' indeed they're fixtures/features, have given
no indication they are going to be fixed anytime soon, indeed the last
release introduced 'new' features e.g. the screwed up and unalterable
UI theme, which have added to the list without addressing many of those
already reported.
There is an underlying feeling the development team is suffering from a
horrendous case of NIH syndrome. They took a slightly flawed but widely
used and liked functional client, threw it all away and reinvented it.
In that process they failed to implement many of the features properly
or as well as they were before. They have introduced many other
'features' which I'm sure were fun to develop and 'nice' but not
critical to the original's operability. Consequently we have something
approaching a Norwegian Blue. I'm heading for a different bird entirely
just as soon as I can persuade this one to give up its 'rules' such that
I can import them as filters into my target client.
Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
You wrote, "There is no "Dual Sign In" requirement. Pleas re-read
'...winston's post until you fully comprehend what he is trying to tell you."
There's no way for me to determine, without a test, if I understand
...winston's message. So, okay, here's my understanding.
I receive the first sign-in dialog box when I select Windows Live Mail from
the Start Menu Program List. It allows me access to Windows Live
functionality that is not important to me and (this is important) view my
saved e-mail.
The second dialog box again asks for my Username and Password so I can
receive my new e-mail.
You also suggested that I, "go to Tools | Connection and click on the 'Stop
signing in' button" to eliminate the first sign-in requirement.
PERFECT!
Oops! I don't find a "Tools" selection anywhere on the WLM screen. Where
is it?
Thanks for your help. I suspect that we're getting closer to resolving this.
Ron Sommer
Alt + T O will open Tools, Options.
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GbH
Another demonstration of the disastrous UI?
the "Tools" menu item is on the Menu toolbar which you can activate by
going to I don't know where? Right click at the top of the window and
select toolbars from the drop down list, oh that doesn't work either,
yet another 'feature' of the disastrous UI?
Gary VanderMolen
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"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> Alt + M M to display the menu bar.
> Alt + T O will open Tools, Options.
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R. Sommer,
YES! It worked!
Thank you for your diligence. I'm a happy guy.
Proficient@discussions.microsoft.com Moderately Proficient
"Consequently we have something approaching a Norwegian Blue."
Yes. He's passed on! This UI is no more! He has ceased to be! He's
expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests
in peace! ... His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig!
He's kicked the bucket. He's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the
curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile! THIS IS AN EX-UI!
You also wrote, "I'm heading for a different bird entirely..."
I may, but to an additional degree. I removed all of my Windows
machines at my business and replaced them with Macs. Macs are expensive but
not when compared to the costs of Windows' crashes, memory conflicts and
other lost production.
I raided the PC hard drives, processors and some other components and
built an uber-PC for home. Now I have been spending my time with this
problem.
Fortunately there are people like yourself, Ron Sommer and Norm Miller
who populate these usergroups and who will take the time to help strangers.
My dual Sign in problem has been eliminated.
Yay!
GbH
It is pleasant to converse with someone of a similar intellect, outlook
(sic) on and experience of life! You'll be saying next: "Don't Panic!"
It's not dead it's asleep!
I do not class myself in anything like the same category as Ron nor Norm
or many others more proficient than I, I am merely one exceedingly
frustrated user, lurking in the forlorn hope of an announcement that its
fixed!
Wow, another porcine squadron passes.
Glad your problem has been solved.
N. Miller
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>> You wrote, "There is no "Dual Sign In" requirement. Pleas re-read
There is a "sticky" change, if you miss the toolbar. I don't. I just tap the
[Alt] key once to see the "missing" toolbar.
For the "sticky" change, there are three icons near the right of the
toolbar. Click on the middle icon, which, if you look closely at it,
resembles windows, or menus, brings up a menu list. Last time is, "Show menu
bar". Put a check on that item, and your "missing" toolbar appears. I found
that by my usual exploratory tinkering. New application, new icons. I just
mouse around and see what is there. Probably just my nature; I use to take
unknown roads to unknown places, when I was younger, and had time to
explore. Still do, when time allows.