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whoever

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Mar 25, 2003, 1:02:17 PM3/25/03
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"Helicop9" <SaveTheTigers.MakeHelicoptersExtinct@StopNoisePollutionNow!.nu>
wrote in news:OSgeUVv8...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Reporting-MTA: dns;hotmail.com
> Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com
> Arrival-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:28:12 -0800
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822;myr...@gmx.de
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 {mx028-rz3} The recipient does not accept mails
> from 'hotmail.com' over foreign mailservers
>
> I've sent emails to this recipient via hotmail for a long time, now this
> crappola. Why has hotmail become so unreliable?

It's not "unreliable" - hotmail delivered the message, but gmx.de refused
to accept it.

There's no point asking here why gmx.de is broken.

Tom Pepper Willett

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Mar 25, 2003, 1:26:52 PM3/25/03
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..most likely gmx.de is not broken, they've just decided to stop accepting
foreign emails, most likely because of spammers who use hotmail addresses.

Tom
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Doug Kanter

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Mar 25, 2003, 2:17:05 PM3/25/03
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"Helicop9" <SaveTheTigers.MakeHelicoptersExtinct@StopNoisePollutionNow!.nu>
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> My emails are not spam. I'm playing a game of chess via email with this
> German fellow, since last September. Now, ist nicht gedelivert...
> H9

If a game of chess lasted 7 months, I would *also* put a stop to it!

But seriously...do you have another email address you could use to contact
the guy, and ask him how to proceed?


Tom Pepper Willett

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Mar 25, 2003, 3:52:17 PM3/25/03
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If hotmail or any domain is blocked in a server, it blocks them regardless
of the message content.

Tom

"Helicop9" <SaveTheTigers.MakeHelicoptersExtinct@StopNoisePollutionNow!.nu>
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| My emails are not spam. I'm playing a game of chess via email with this
| German fellow, since last September. Now, ist nicht gedelivert...
| H9
|

| "Tom Pepper Willett" <tomp...@mvps.org> wrote in message
| news:O$Fxcwv8C...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

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Mar 25, 2003, 4:39:10 PM3/25/03
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"Helicop9"
<SaveTheTigers.MakeHelicoptersExtinct@StopNoisePollutionNow!.nu>
wrote:

>
> My emails are not spam. I'm playing a game of chess via email with this
> German fellow, since last September. Now, ist nicht gedelivert...

YOUR emails are not spam, but enough spam is sent from Hotmail
to make many network administrators decide that they are better
off rejecting all hotmail email.

You have two choices:

1. Live with it (with or without the whining)
2. Find a new provider.


Doug Kanter

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Mar 26, 2003, 9:52:36 AM3/26/03
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"Helicop9" <SaveTheTigers.MakeHelicoptersExtinct@StopNoisePollutionNow!.nu>
wrote in message news:eof12xz8...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> > But seriously...do you have another email address you could use to
contact
> > the guy, and ask him how to proceed?
>
> Yes, I'm an old timer and maintain several different email services and
> juggle them as necessary. The point is that I've been using hotmail for
> several years, but it has now become so buggy that I'll have to drop it.
So
> my post is, in a way, a standing complaint and notice to the MSN/hotmail
> folks to clean up their act if they want to stay in business. Somehow, it
> appears that they just don't care...
> H9
>

This is pure conjecture on my part, but if I had to guess at what percentage
of people use Hotmail for free, as opposed to paying for MSN, I'd guess 95%.
Therefore, MS has absolutely no reason to be concerned about how Hotmail
operates. The only thing it gains is goodwill (hopefully) and some
advertising revenue. It's like those free ISPs whose names I can't remember.
I don't know a single person who ever raved about them.


whoever

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Mar 26, 2003, 2:00:41 PM3/26/03
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"Tom Pepper Willett" <tomp...@mvps.org> wrote in
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> ..most likely gmx.de is not broken, they've just decided to stop
> accepting foreign emails, most likely because of spammers who use
> hotmail addresses.

This isn't the first complaint I've seen about gmx.de. If the sys admins at
that domain make bad decisions about how to configure their servers, based
on personal prejudice, then their server is "broken".

(And I don't know about you, but I don't see many spammers using hotmail
addresses).

Tom Pepper Willett

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Mar 26, 2003, 2:05:58 PM3/26/03
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Bad decision is a perception. Prejudice is your choice of words. Maybe they
consider it a good decision.

For example, we block all Yahoo because of the rate of spam. You may
consider it a bad decision on our part, but we consider it a proper business
decision. And our mail server ain't broke. ;-) Yes, we are prejudiced
against spammers.

Yes, I do see many spammers using hotmail addresses, whether forged or not.
I view our mail server logs on a daily basis.

Oh, and we do block many foreign blocks of IP addresses from email.


Tom

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Bernd H. Steiner

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Mar 26, 2003, 2:15:24 PM3/26/03
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whoever <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>This isn't the first complaint I've seen about gmx.de. If the sys admins at
>that domain make bad decisions about how to configure their servers, based
>on personal prejudice, then their server is "broken".

This is not a default setting of gmx but each user can switch this
option on.

best regards
bernd

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