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Frank Nospam

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Jan 20, 2003, 3:36:40 PM1/20/03
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According to official W3C specs, if a page has the following CSS:
body { text-indent: 4px; }
should the first line of a td (that contains an image) be indented?

This is in reference to
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168782

I read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1 and I'm fairly sure the answer
is yes, but I'd appreciate confirmation from serious CSS gurus.

-F.

Jukka K. Korpela

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Jan 20, 2003, 4:00:55 PM1/20/03
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Frank Nospam <yaho...@francis.uy> wrote:

> According to official W3C specs, if a page has the following CSS:
> body { text-indent: 4px; }
> should the first line of a td (that contains an image) be indented?

No. The text-indent property is inherited, but it applies to block
level elements only, and td elements are not block level.

> I read http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1 and I'm fairly sure the answer
> is yes, but I'd appreciate confirmation from serious CSS gurus.

The current specification is CSS2. The relevant part is
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#propdef-text-indent
And there is no change from CSS1 in this issue.

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Mikko Rantalainen

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Jan 20, 2003, 6:21:44 PM1/20/03
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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Frank Nospam <yaho...@francis.uy> wrote:
>
>>According to official W3C specs, if a page has the following CSS:
>> body { text-indent: 4px; }
>>should the first line of a td (that contains an image) be indented?
>
> No. The text-indent property is inherited, but it applies to block
> level elements only, and td elements are not block level.
[...]

> The relevant part is
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.html#propdef-text-indent
> And there is no change from CSS1 in this issue.

Are you sure? AFAIK, "block-level" element doesn't only mean elements
with |display: block|.


See: <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#q5>

"Block-level elements are those elements of the source document that are
formatted visually as blocks (e.g., paragraphs). Several values of the
'display' property make an element block-level: 'block', 'list-item',
'compact' and 'run-in' (part of the time; see compact and run-in boxes),
and 'table'."

I think that the above list isn't exclusive and stuff like inline-block
and table-cell should be counted in, too.

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Mikko

Jukka K. Korpela

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Jan 20, 2003, 11:53:22 PM1/20/03
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Mikko Rantalainen <mi...@st.jyu.fi> wrote:

> See: <URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#q5>
>
> "Block-level elements are those elements of the source document
> that are formatted visually as blocks (e.g., paragraphs).

It is indeed vague, and it's unfortunate that such an essential concept
that has formal significance (when evaluating conformance of a browser
as regards to obeying the "Applies to" rules) is defined using an
intuitive description only - which is far from being intuitively clear.
(Consider a typical numerical table, for example: cells contain numbers
or short header words or phrases - would you call the "blocks" in the
same sense as we're supposed to regards paragraphs as blocks?)

> Several
> values of the 'display' property make an element block-level:
> 'block', 'list-item', 'compact' and 'run-in' (part of the time; see
> compact and run-in boxes), and 'table'."
>
> I think that the above list isn't exclusive and stuff like
> inline-block and table-cell should be counted in, too.

More vagueness - but there's no direct indication of the list _not_
being a complete list of values, which would be the natural
interpretation. (There is no "e.g." or "such as".)

I still think the interpretation that text-indent is not inherited by
table cells is the correct one. I'd say it's the intended
interpretation, since it would be unnatural to want to have first-line
indents table cell contents just because an enclosing element has the
text-indent property set. (If a table cell contains, say, a <p>
element, then it's a different thing, but then text-indent applies to
the p element - it's inherited via the td element but it does not apply
to the td element.)

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Jacqui or Pete

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Jan 21, 2003, 4:34:01 AM1/21/03
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In article <yahoo_com-3BC6B...@news.comcast.giganews.com>,
yaho...@francis.uy says...

> According to official W3C specs, if a page has the following CSS:
> body { text-indent: 4px; }
> should the first line of a td (that contains an image) be indented?
>
> This is in reference to
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168782
>
...

FWIW, I can't duplicate the reported behaviour (from 168782) in 1.3a.

I've played around with the attached 'test case' a fair bit without any
success.

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