MS Dos and Windows
Iulian
I've got some problems related to how Windows and MS Dos works.
1. To install Windows on a PC do you require MS Dos to be preinstalled?
2. When you build a PC on your own do you have to buy the MS Dos program or
it comes installed with the components you buy? If not, where can you
download the latest version of MS Dos?
Many thanks,
Julian
Rob
you have what you need. just use the windows 98 start
up disk (floppy) that came with windows 98. If you have
more ?'s email me.
Rob S.
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glee
Windows does not always come with a start-up boot floppy disk when you buy it.
...glen
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Iulian
I was interested more theoreticaly to find out about these things but
probably this is not the right place to ask.
I've got a PC with everything on it but I ain't got a clue on basic things
like the ones I have already asked you.
Thanks,
Julian
Lil' Dave
does also, but is changed and hidden better from the user.
The OS is installed on the hard drive during the installation procedure.
After installation, the system boots the OS from the hard drive and places
it in system memory.
Typically, a hard drive contains no data except low level formatting when
new.
Data placed in physical memory is lost when the computer is turned off.
Typically, any remaining components do not directly play in storing the OS.
MSDOS requires licensing purchase to gain software installation legally.
There's a few places still selling MSDOS 6.22 and prior versions. This is
not needed if installing a Windows operating system.
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Rob
go here to learn how to make one.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-
us;Q187632
Rob S.
>-----Original Message-----
>Part of the usefulness of the groups is that others can
read the answers, and so help them with their problems
too. Telling the poster to email you with more questions
defeats that purpose and precludes others from ongoing
help.
>
>Windows does not always come with a start-up boot floppy
disk when you buy it.
>
>....glen
>
>Rob wrote in message <430e01c1ce78$ae71de60
$3bef2ecf@TKMSFTNGXA10>...
>>If you went out and got a copy of windows 98 then yes
>>you have what you need. just use the windows 98 start
>>up disk (floppy) that came with windows 98. If you have
>>more ?'s email me.
>>
>>Rob S.
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Hi,
>>>I've got some problems related to how Windows and MS
Dos
>>works.
>>>1. To install Windows on a PC do you require MS Dos to
be
>>preinstalled?
>>>2. When you build a PC on your own do you have to buy
the
>>MS Dos program or
>>>it comes installed with the components you buy? If not,
>>where can you
>>>download the latest version of MS Dos?
>>>Many thanks,
>>>Julian
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>
>.
>
glee
2) See the answer to 1), and, no you can't download MS-DOS, and it is not produced for sale by MS any longer.
...glen
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Iulian
There would be a last question... What is the difference between DOS and
MS-DOS?
Julian
Iulian
Iulian
glee
...glen
Iulian wrote in message ...
Rob
MS-DOS = MicroSoft Disk Operating System
http://www3.sympatico.ca/rhwatson/dos7/
Dos7 Commands - Index Page
http://www.computerhope.com/msdos.htm
DOS help, info, and history of DOS
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Ron Martell
>Windows 9X rides on MSDOS. Its installed as part of the OS. Windows ME
>does also, but is changed and hidden better from the user.
Nope.
With Windows Me there is no repeat no 16 bit components loaded during
the boot up. None. Zilch. Nada.
DOS support in WindowsMe is 100% by emulation, just as it is in
Windows NT/2000/XP.
And saying that Windows 98 "rides on MSDOS" is stretching it more than
a little. There are some files with similar names used in the boot
process, but if that is criteria then a lot of other operating systems
can be said to "ride on MSDOS". You cannot, for example, boot your
computer with any version of MSDOS and then load Windows 98 on from
there. Which you should be able to do if it in fact "rides on MSDOS".
And just because you can boot to command prompt in Windows 98 does not
make it MSDOS. You can also boot Linux to a command prompt, or is it
also MSDOS?
>
>The OS is installed on the hard drive during the installation procedure.
>After installation, the system boots the OS from the hard drive and places
>it in system memory.
>Typically, a hard drive contains no data except low level formatting when
>new.
>Data placed in physical memory is lost when the computer is turned off.
>
>Typically, any remaining components do not directly play in storing the OS.
>
>MSDOS requires licensing purchase to gain software installation legally.
>There's a few places still selling MSDOS 6.22 and prior versions. This is
>not needed if installing a Windows operating system.
It is for Windows 3.x, but that is outside the parameters of the
original question.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
Ron Martell
>2 letters. MS-DOS is an operating system made by Microsoft, hence the MS. DOS is a type of Operating System. There are or were other versions made by other companies...DR-DOS, FreeDOS....look them up at http://www.google.com
>
Also IBMs good old 360 DOS which ran on their System 360 series of
mainframe computers in the 1960s and 70s.
Iulian
. Sorry, my generation grew up in a comunist regime and didn't learn at all
in school about computers...
A.) So, basicly, back to my first questions, when you have finished building
a computer, you run a utility (FDISK etc)from a floppy to partition the HD
and then just frow your Win CD into your CD unit and it is all done. (It's
not that I want to build a PC but I am curious on how mine was.)
And now another two questions arrise.
B.) If you uninstall Windows from your PC What have you got left. A plain,
clear MS DOS left from your Windows Installation?
C.) If you formatted the disk what have you got left? I presume not even the
DOS. Can you still use any commands? Generaly, on a no OS PC can you use any
commands or is "dead"?
Let's say I have a HD partitioned in three pieces (C, D and E) and I format
my C drive. Can I still access in any way the data (files etc) on my D
drive?
Regards,
Julian
Iulian
Lil' Dave
DOS: Disk operating system
MSDOS: Microsoft Disk Operating System.
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Jeff Richards
startup file, and your machine will boot to a DOS prompt and not know or
understand anything about Windows. Whether or not this actually happens
depends on exactly how you 'uninstall Windows - there is no specific
uninstall routine.
B. Yes.
C. It depends on how you do the format. Format can simply wipe the disk
clean, or it can install the files that DOS needs and the code needed to
make the machine boot to DOS.
D. Yes. Formatting applies to a partition. If you booted to floppy (or if
the hard disk was the second one in the machine and you booted to that other
hard disk) then the other partitions would be accessible.
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Iulian
Thanks for all you info.
1.) Once I had to format my C drive where my Windows was so I'd simply
restarted Windows to Dos and type "format c:". I presume at the end of the
format I had not the DOS anymore. Am I right?
2.) I remember at that moment I still had the prompt of my C drive. So, is
the prompt available on a non OS PC?
3.) I am still curious on what commands does the PC respond where there is
no OS on it.
4.) What acctualy drives the computer if there was no OS on it?
5.) In my last question from previous message you replyed to me that I
should boot to floppy to access my data from the other drives in case my C
drive is empty. I presume you are talking about a floppy (like the Windows
boot disk) with an OS on it so I can have access to some commands. Is it the
case?
Regards,
Julian
Iulian
I think I am about to understand the hole setup process. I've found a very
interesting ReadMe file on my Windows boot disk floppy and also some
articles in http://www.buildyourowncomputer.net/step9.html
Best regards,
Julian
Jeff Richards
2. The command interpreter (COMMAND.COM) is responsible for giving you the
prompt and for accepting keyboard input. If it was still in memory after
the format then you could enter commands and get responses. You could, for
instance, run a restore program from floppy to put your files back onto the
hard disk.
3. Inbuilt commands - commands it does not have to execute as a COM or EXE
file on disk. DIR and CD are examples of inbuilt commands
4. BIOS. The code is held in read-only (permanent) memory. DOS uses BIOS for
a lot of its functionality.
5. Yes. Any bootable floppy will have enough of DOS to enable you to do
simply tasks like copying files.
A lot of DOS enthusiasts hang out at microsoft.public.win3x_wfw_dos
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