Inconsistent Explorer results - Why ?
dave xnet
properly when it's specified on exlorer.exe options.
For example, if I enter in the RUN box
explorer.exe /n,/e,d:\
I get the normal 2-pane explorer display, focus on d:
with sub folders displayed. (d: has the - sign at it's left
to show it's open)
But if I issue for the c: drive,
explorer.exe /n,/e,c:\,
the 2 pane window opens, but the c: drive is not expaned,
I get the + sign to the left of c:
Why is it behaving differently?
Thanks, for any info.
Dave
Alan Edwards
You are entering a completely different command.
Try removing the comma (,) at the end to make them match.
...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html
dave xnet
<edw...@southcom.com.au> wrote:
>Why?
>
>You are entering a completely different command.
>Try removing the comma (,) at the end to make them match.
>
>...Alan
Good try, but that was a typo in my post rather than
a bad command I entered. I've tried it on other
PC's and it's working as expected.
This Win98 SE has the problem. Another incarnation of the
same thing concerns the built in explorer short cut,
the one from the start button (right click).
The 2 pane explorer windows opens, c:\windows and
it's sub folders are displayed, but the c: icon still has
the + next to it, and no other c: sub folders are visible,
so you get something like this:
+ win98 (C:)
- Windows
sub-folders
etc,
etc,
Start Menu (<< highlighted as expected)
etc,
etc,
glee
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> snip
> This Win98 SE has the problem. Another incarnation of the
> same thing concerns the built in explorer short cut,
> the one from the start button (right click).
>
> The 2 pane explorer windows opens, c:\windows and
> it's sub folders are displayed, but the c: icon still has
> the + next to it, and no other c: sub folders are visible,
> so you get something like this:
>
> + win98 (C:)
> - Windows
> sub-folders
> etc,
> etc,
> Start Menu (<< highlighted as expected)
> etc,
> etc,
Now tell me, how do you get the Windows folder visible and expanded, WITHOUT the C:
being expanded, when the Windows folder tree is *inside* the C: tree?
If that is in fact what you are seeing, then I would suggest that you may be using a
third-party enhancement of some sort that is turned on only on your C: partition's
display.....something that expands the selected Explorer tree but hides the folders
above the highlighted sub-folder. I can see no other way to produce the display you
are describing.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
dave xnet
wrote:
Hi Glen,
I agree it's illogical. But it is indeed what happens.
It's an old 98 box I seldom use,
so I noticed it again recently and remembered
how much it bugs me.
It's been doing it for quite a while (year or two?
can't be more accurate because it's so rarely used)
I've installed IE6 sp1, WMP 9, Norton Utilities 2000 -
nothing else looks like a candidate. I'd always thought
it was more likely to be some mismatch in MS fixes or updates.
I was temped to do an IE6 repair, but I wasn't sure if that
would make it worse. Doesn't it restore it back to the base level?
Dave
dave xnet
<grys...@mvps.org> wrote:
>IE Repair is always, AFAIK, safe, and no, it does not revert patches.
>However, I suggest a Clean Boot before running it, particularly if you have
>Norton installed. (AFAIC, Norton may be the problem anyway.)
>http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
Thanks for the info. If it is Norton, it must be
in some insidious way, as far as I know, there's nothing in
the startup axis related to it.
I even have the protected recycle bin disengaged.
Besides speed disk,
I only use it once in a while for Windoctor.
I always look at the registry entries before I let it
"clean" them, but who knows, perhaps I over looked
something at one time or another.
Thanks for the clean boot idea, I'll take a look.
Dave
Gary S. Terhune
My point is that if you're already having issues, then there is a slight
risk in running IE Repair without getting *all* background apps out of the
way first. The same kind of risk you get when running any complicated
installation -- that a crash in the middle of the procedure will leave your
system scrambled. Not fatal, but definitely a PITA.
In a more real-world case, IE Repair may be prevented from effecting certain
procedures by something that's running in the background, thus causing the
procedure to be ineffective, less that complete.
But these risks/issues are the same kind you run into with any but the
simplest installs, and the rationale behind my Clean Boot procedures is to
take no chances. I admit that I am not religious about using Clean Boot for
installations and uninstallations, but when a cantankerous system is
involved, then the first thing I do is a Clean Boot (the whole deal --
maintenance, etc.), followed by a thorough set of security scans. *Then* I
proceed to diagnose the remaining issues.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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PCR
I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?
1. Turn off screen saver (R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver--
None)
2. Turn off power management (Control Panel, Power Management-- Always
On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection, perhaps.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what is
unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...". Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, bolt Delete
all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you. This
will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done after a fresh boot,
unless you have not seen the message "Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all three
items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for' box". If you
want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically fix errors"
on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log" afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details". Apparently, "/p" Defrags the
unmovables.
The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off the Virus
Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month, and certainly
after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish boot or when
this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp, by Gregory A. Wolking & Bob Flanders.
Also, take DiskAction, to determine what is constantly writing to the
HDD, which causes the restarts. Take BHOCop & StartupCop too.
"DiskAction" reports the last 12 processes that access any partition. It
discovered the Microsoft Windows Critical Update Notification tool was
accessing my HDD every five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control
Panel, Add/Remove Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update"
on your own.
"BHOCop" found a Browser Helper Object called Wavehelper Class, created
by "Wavetop", that was building a monstrosity of an error log called
"Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?
Now, my hard drive is quieter than my mouse. (Of course, I now also have
384 MB RAM, up from an initial 64, eliminating Swap File activity.)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:i3n7v1lf52uau21sn...@4ax.com...
dave xnet
<grys...@mvps.org> wrote:
>Sounds like the way I use Norton on occasion, especially older versions.
>
>My point is that if you're already having issues, then there is a slight
>risk in running IE Repair without getting *all* background apps out of the
>way first. The same kind of risk you get when running any complicated
>installation -- that a crash in the middle of the procedure will leave your
>system scrambled. Not fatal, but definitely a PITA.
>
>In a more real-world case, IE Repair may be prevented from effecting certain
>procedures by something that's running in the background, thus causing the
>procedure to be ineffective, less that complete.
>
>But these risks/issues are the same kind you run into with any but the
>simplest installs, and the rationale behind my Clean Boot procedures is to
>take no chances. I admit that I am not religious about using Clean Boot for
>installations and uninstallations, but when a cantankerous system is
>involved, then the first thing I do is a Clean Boot (the whole deal --
>maintenance, etc.), followed by a thorough set of security scans. *Then* I
>proceed to diagnose the remaining issues.
Hello,
This afternoon I successfully enabled the "clean boot" and ran
the IE6 repair. This was followed by scandisk and defrag.
Everything completed successfully, but the problem
with explore.exe remains. Here's a jpg for posterity:
http://home.comcast.net/~davetest/explore-c.JPG
I'm going to leave the clean boot "active" for a while
for further troubleshooting. TIA for any further thoughts.
Dave
Gary S. Terhune
to go about performing IE Repair. I have no opinion on your "inconsistent"
Explorer results except to say that mine behaves as expected. I suspect that
Mr. Chris Quirke would be the most likely person to help you figure it out,
but I haven't seen him around recently.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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glee
might pop out that you don't see as a candidate yourself. In fact, one of the first
things MS support would do in a support call would be to have you read off
everything listed in Control Panel> Add/Remove Programs list.
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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dave xnet
wrote:
>If you could supply a list of all installed utilities and applications, something
>might pop out that you don't see as a candidate yourself. In fact, one of the first
>things MS support would do in a support call would be to have you read off
>everything listed in Control Panel> Add/Remove Programs list.
These are the things I took note of in the startup tab.
scanreg
taskmonitor
loadpowerprofile X2
TweakUI
Vortex tray (sound card(
3dfx tools (video card)
Pointer (old release of intellimouse)
kb891711
That's all from the startup axis. General Apps installed include
Norton Utilities 2000, Adobe Acrobat 4.0,
ACDSee classic, Adshield 2.x, Nero 5.5,
Cool Edit 1.2a, Disney's Toontown online,
DivX and XviD codecs, IE6, WMP 9,
Outlook Exoress 6, Shockwave palyer,
J2SE runtime env, EpsonScan,
Assorted LEGO kids titles,
Firefox 1501, Powerdvd 3.x,
Multiren Shell extension,
MS widnows alternate mouse pointers,
Presto PAge manager,
Sisoft Sandra 2000,
Spybot S&D, Taskinfo 2000,
Ulead Photoimpact 5, Ultraedit 32,
VCDeasy, vobsub 2.2.3,
Winrar, wintop, winzip,
winamp, winbench 99,
Xteq 6.1
I had forgotten about Xteq. I know it's simlar to tweakUI, but I
haven't looked at in in about a year or so. I'll look now
in case I did something in there. Seems doubtful.
Dave
Gary S. Terhune
There is an item there called "Add/Remove Programs". Open that. Write down
everything there and post it here.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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dave xnet
<grys...@mvps.org> wrote:
>That's not what Glen is talking about. Go to Start>Settings>Control Panel.
>There is an item there called "Add/Remove Programs". Open that. Write down
>everything there and post it here.
THe long list I put in my previous post is from there.
IT's a long list of installed applications. Expecting something
different? The only thing I didn't post were some assorted KB updates.
Gary S. Terhune
"Multiren Shell extension" gets my vote. Though I'd also get rid of a few
other things in there, like Norton, SisoftSandra.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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PCR
(2) Have you ever used TweakUI or Xteq to hide a drive or even just a folder? Better undo that.
(3) Do the Scandisk, Thorough, I suggested elsewhere, after carefully reading through cquirke's site.
(4) Boot to DOS, &... Scanreg /Fix /Opt
I guess, this first time, repeat it 3 times. To get to DOS, hold CTRL as you boot, & select "Command Prompt Only" from the menu. Or turn on the Startup Menu at "START button, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button".
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ivav1ph2qdqjejs7...@4ax.com...
Gary S. Terhune
scanreg /opt /fix
--
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MS MVP Shell/User
"PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Bindar Dundat
if it is then the /fix should be the last switch strictly because of what it
does. I would imagine that the authors thought to write the switches into an
array and then read them out in the order they are required. For your info here
is the command string and all of the switches
Scanreg [/Dir] [/Backup] [/Nop] [/Opt] [/Autorun] [/Restore] [/Help] [/?]
[/Comment] [/Win] [/Fix]
Scanreg
<nothing> Checks the registry and asks if you want to back it up.
RegistryFile The registry file to check.
/Dir Shows a UI with a test and cancel button.
/Backup Backs up the registry
/Nop Shows a UI without user input.
/Opt Optimizes the registry by compacting it
/Autorun Windows Registry Checker automatically scans the system registry
for invalid entries and empty data blocks when it is started. If invalid
registry entries are detected, Windows Registry Checker automatically restores a
previous day's backup. This is equivalent to running "scanreg /autorun" (without
quotation marks) from a command prompt. If no backups are available, Windows
Registry checker tries to make repairs to the registry. This is equivalent to
running "scanreg /fix" (without quotation marks) from a command prompt. If the
registry contains more than 500K of empty data blocks, Windows registry Checker
automatically optimizes it.
/Restore Restores previously backed up
/Help Shows a subset of the command line switches
/? Shows a subset of the command line switches
"/Comment=Text" Adds a comment to a backup. This doesn't cause a backup to
be created, but if one is created by another command line switch or the user
choosing to backup then this comment will be added.
/Win Shows a UI, tests the registry and shows options to backup or restore
the registry.
/Fix Repairs the registry and compacts the registry by completely
rebuilding it.
--
George
"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Gary S. Terhune
fact what you posted says just that. Back when, I ran /opt first, then /fix
a few times, depending. But most definitely, you'd want to optimize
(compact) before fixing. Of course, like you say, it might not make any
difference what order the switches are in -- the interpreter may sort it
out. But then again, it might just make a difference. I prefer to err on the
side of logic, <eg>.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
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PCR
It should be said /Fix won't work, if the Registry is around 10 MB huge.
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message news:O$z5SAANG...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
dave xnet
>OK, thanks. I'm not awfully particular on the order, much as I did try to remember it right. And I also believed /Fix incorporated a /Opt. Usually I only say to do a /Fix. Otherwise, I do think one /Opt, followed by three /Fix makes sense, if you do that many. These days I'll only do one /Fix, unless a year has passed between. One is actually almost enjoyable still.
>
>It should be said /Fix won't work, if the Registry is around 10 MB huge.
AT the moment,
Scandisk, scanreg /opt /fix & multiren shell extension uninstalled
have been completed. Unfortunately the problem remains.
I'm taking a look at xteq and tweakui, but it will take a while.
I searched the google news archives; I found one hit from a couple
of years ago from someone else who had this exact same problem.
Unfortunately, there's no resolution.
Dave
PCR
| On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:07:49 -0500, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >OK, thanks. I'm not awfully particular on the order, much as I did try to remember it right. And I also believed /Fix incorporated a /Opt. Usually I only say to do a /Fix. Otherwise, I do think one /Opt, followed by three /Fix makes sense, if you do that many. These days I'll only do one /Fix, unless a year has passed between. One is actually almost enjoyable still.
| >
| >It should be said /Fix won't work, if the Registry is around 10 MB huge.
| AT the moment,
| Scandisk, scanreg /opt /fix & multiren shell extension uninstalled
| have been completed. Unfortunately the problem remains.
More is the pity!
|
| I'm taking a look at xteq and tweakui, but it will take a while.
OK. I searched for "hide a folder" & "hide a drive" in Xteq's Tips & Tricks screens, but came up with nothing harmful.
Oh! I do see there are several Pluggins that hide drives & play with folders. Better examine what you did with that!
| I searched the google news archives; I found one hit from a couple
| of years ago from someone else who had this exact same problem.
| Unfortunately, there's no resolution.
More is the pity!
| Dave
glee
kind of modification you seem to be experiencing.
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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glee wrote:
> I would spend a bit of time with XTEQ, as it is the most likely candidate for the
> kind of modification you seem to be experiencing.
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
odd behavior.
I started looking for things related to folder.htt and/or desktop.ini.
I found one copy of folder.htt in c:\windows, but surely that's not
involved.
It only does it on the C: drive. Any instance of the command
explorer.exe /n,/e,x:\
where X is any of my other drives, opens properly, two pane view,
folders opened
in the left pane. But if I issuer it for C:, the folder view on the
left is collapsed.
As I mentioned, I found one older incident in the google archives that
also went
unresolved (Glee was the responer there, too)
Thanks for the suggestions.
Dave
glee
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That's interesting, because I don't recall ever hearing of this particular problem
before. Do you have a link to the Google Groups thread you saw?
dave xnet
wrote:
Hello -
Yes, it's this one:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.setup/msg/abb167b31c0caf65?hl=en&
Dave
glee
poster. Thanks.
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PCR
.....Quote............
The 2 pane explorer windows opens, c:\windows and
it's sub folders are displayed, but the c: icon still has
the + next to it, and no other c: sub folders are visible,
so you get something like this:
+ win98 (C:)
- Windows
sub-folders
etc,
etc,
Start Menu (<< highlighted as expected)
etc,
etc,
......EOQ...............
What you describe now is decidedly an improvement! It is by far less whacky, much as it, too, shouldn't be happening! I THINK me 'n Glee have been quite SUCCESSFUL, & you should have 6 months more to live!
I doubt removing the "Folder.htt" should have any effect, but, to try it...
(1) "START button, Find, F/F, Folder.htt"
(2)
(a) Highlight them one at a time, &
File menu, Open Containing Folder
(b) R-Clk in the folder that opens, &
select "Customize this folder"
(c) Bolt "Remove Customization", & click "Next"
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
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|
dave xnet
I thought I explaied it already.
If you use the START button/right click/explore you get the
display as you quoted above. The WINDOWS folder and
direct sub folders are open, but all folders either above or below
c:\windows are invisible, such as c:\temp.
DO you think I may be able to create either a desktop.ini or
folder.htt to FIX this behavior? I've just started looking at the
doc. This would be a good resolution if it were possible.
Dave
PCR
Oops! Sorry, forgot you had TWO conditions, depending how you opened Explorer! So, neither has been affected by any measure taken thus far.
By "invisible", you mean those aren't even there-- not that they also just have a plus sign, which is normal. Only (C:) & Start Menu should get a minus sign. [I know you don't get one on (C:).]
And you absolutely never did that trick of hiding folders by messing with folder names, putting a special character in front? I guess not, or they always would be invisible.
Might as well... "START button, Find, F/F, Explorer.exe". How many show up? There should be just one...
EXPLORER.EXE
Desc: Windows Explorer
Loc: C:\WINDOWS
Size: 180,224 bytes
Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
Ver: 4.72.3110.1
Does it look any different from that? Then, something is amiss, certainly if you are Win98SE. I suppose it should be the same for FE too!
|
| DO you think I may be able to create either a desktop.ini or
| folder.htt to FIX this behavior? I've just started looking at the
| doc. This would be a good resolution if it were possible.
| Dave
First, do as I said above & remove Customization in all folders that have a "Folders.htt" inside. The Folders.htt should then disappear. This also will adjust or remove the "Desktop.ini" in those folders. After that, I guess we may compare Desktop.ini that remain. I seem to have 17 of them. For instance, mine in C:\Windows is...
.....Start..........
[ExtShellFolderViews]
[.ShellClassInfo]
ConfirmFileOp=0
.....End...........
And, in C: I have, looks like the same...
.....Start.........
[ExtShellFolderViews]
[.ShellClassInfo]
ConfirmFileOp=0
......End............
dave xnet
>Oops! Sorry, forgot you had TWO conditions, depending how you opened Explorer!
>So, neither has been affected by any measure taken thus far.
It's not really two conditions, but different manifestations of the
one. For example, if I issue
explorer.exe /n,e,d: you get the expected display :
+ a:
+ c:
- d:
+ d subfol1
+ d subfol2
+ etc,
+ etc,
However, If I issue
explorer.exe /n,e,c:
you get
+ a:
+ c:
+ d:
And, If I issue
explorer.exe /n,e,c:\windows
you get
+ a:
+ c:
- windows
+ windows subfol1
+ windows subfol2
+ etc,
+ d:
Windows expanded because it was specifically named on the command, but
all the rest of c: subfolders are invisible because C is collapsed
( + c) it's odd, but that's what it does
>
>By "invisible", you mean those aren't even there-- not that they also just have a plus sign, which is normal. Only (C:) & Start Menu should get a minus sign. [I know you don't get one on (C:).]
>
>And you absolutely never did that trick of hiding folders by messing with folder names, putting a special character in front? I guess not, or they always would be invisible.
>
>Might as well... "START button, Find, F/F, Explorer.exe". How many show up? There should be just one...
>
>EXPLORER.EXE
>Desc: Windows Explorer
>Loc: C:\WINDOWS
>Size: 180,224 bytes
>Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>Ver: 4.72.3110.1
>
>Does it look any different from that? Then, something is amiss, certainly if you are Win98SE. I suppose it should be the same for FE too!
>
>|
>| DO you think I may be able to create either a desktop.ini or
>| folder.htt to FIX this behavior? I've just started looking at the
>| doc. This would be a good resolution if it were possible.
>| Dave
>
>First, do as I said above & remove Customization in all folders that have a "Folders.htt" inside.
>The Folders.htt should then disappear. This also will adjust or remove the "Desktop.ini" in those folders.
> After that, I guess we may compare Desktop.ini that remain. I seem to have 17 of them. For instance,
> mine in C:\Windows is...
The desktop.ini and folder.htt I have are just the standard one's.
If I remove the customization, I'll be destroying the
default settings. How do I get them back?
Secondly, folder.htt is only of consequence
(so I understand) if "web view" is active. I'm
using classic view, and switching back and forth
doesn't affect the problem.
Thirdly, the system is dual boot. If I boot win2k and access the same
files and folders, (basically the C drive)
the SAME problem occurs !
This does seem to inicate something about the file system itself,
doesn't it.
Dave
>
>.....Start..........
>[ExtShellFolderViews]
>
>[.ShellClassInfo]
>ConfirmFileOp=0
>.....End...........
>
>And, in C: I have, looks like the same...
>
>.....Start.........
>[ExtShellFolderViews]
>
>[.ShellClassInfo]
>ConfirmFileOp=0
>......End............
There's nothing according to the doc on the MSDN website
that is related to my pr
PCR
EXPLORER.EXE
Desc: Windows Explorer
Loc: C:\WINDOWS
Size: 180,224 bytes
Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
Ver: 4.72.3110.1
Does it look any different from that? That's Win98SE, but it should be quite similar in FE.
| explorer.exe /n,e,c:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=130510
Command-Line Switches for Windows Explorer
You have left out a "/"... Explorer.exe /n,/e,c:
This should give you a 2-pane window showing all drives. Desktop is the root (on top) folder, with it's icon to it's left. My Computer is under that, with a minus sign, in the Folders (left) pane. C: will be selected (highlighted) in the Folders pane, with a MINUS SIGN to it's left. It's folders will show under it, with either a plus sign or no sign to their left. All other drives & special folders show in the Folders pane, with a plus sign or no sign. The R-Pane will show C:'s contents.
So, put that "/" in there, & get...
Desktop
-My Computer
+3½ Floppy (A:)
-(C:)
+Folders in (C:)
Folders in (C:)
+Other drives
+Special folders
That should do it! W/O the slash, "e" is apparently ignored, & I get a single pane Explorer showing C:. The Folders pane does show up correctly, though, if turned on in the View menu.
| If I remove the customization, I'll be destroying the
| default settings. How do I get them back?
The default is no customization. After turning them off, later you may turn them back on. If some 3rd party app has used this feature to somehow hide folders, it could possibly be undone this way. Do you have any folders that NEVER show up? If not, this probably is no cure.
| Secondly, folder.htt is only of consequence
| (so I understand) if "web view" is active. I'm
| using classic view, and switching back and forth
| doesn't affect the problem.
I think it is something different from WEB view. It's a powerful feature that possibly can ven be used to hide a folder completely. Hopefully, the Folder.htt will show up in a Find box, & the File menu can be used to get to it & undo the customization.
| Thirdly, the system is dual boot. If I boot win2k and access the same
| files and folders, (basically the C drive)
| the SAME problem occurs !
| This does seem to inicate something about the file system itself,
| doesn't it.
Well, earlier I had you do a Scandisk. Did you do a Thorough (usually w/o write testing)? If the problem persists across OS, it could be in the FAT (File Allocation Table). I guess both OS would have to use that.
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:sv8902l0l7quk65nk...@4ax.com...
dave xnet
>"START button, Find, F/F, Explorer.exe". How many show up? There should be just one. It's Properties should show...
>
>EXPLORER.EXE
>Desc: Windows Explorer
>Loc: C:\WINDOWS
>Size: 180,224 bytes
>Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>Ver: 4.72.3110.1
>
>Does it look any different from that? That's Win98SE, but it should be quite similar in FE.
I'm also running 98SE but my version is different
4.72.3612.1700
171,280 bytes
August 20 1999
>
>| explorer.exe /n,e,c:
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=130510
>Command-Line Switches for Windows Explorer
>
>You have left out a "/"... Explorer.exe /n,/e,c:
>
>This should give you a 2-pane window showing all drives. Desktop is the root (on top) folder, with it's icon to it's left.
>My Computer is under that, with a minus sign, in the Folders (left) pane. C: will be selected (highlighted)
> in the Folders pane, with a MINUS SIGN to it's left.
I don't get that. On mine C is closed with + sign
> It's folders will show under it, with either a plus sign or no
>sign to their left. All other drives & special folders show in the Folders pane, with a plus sign or no sign. The R-Pane will show C:'s contents.
>
>So, put that "/" in there, & get...
>
>?Desktop
>-My Computer
> +3? Floppy (A:)
> -(C:)
> +Folders in (C:)
> Folders in (C:)
> +Other drives
>+Special folders
>
>That should do it! W/O the slash, "e" is apparently ignored, & I get a single pane Explorer showing C:. The Folders pane does show up correctly, though, if turned on in the View menu.
>
>| If I remove the customization, I'll be destroying the
>| default settings. How do I get them back?
I removed customization on c:\windows and all it did was delete
desktop.ini and folder.htt.
But they're the one's that were automatically created when windows was
installed. I didn't make them.
I restored them from the recycle bin.
>
>The default is no customization. After turning them off, later you may turn them back on.
>If some 3rd party app has used this feature to somehow hide folders,
>it could possibly be undone this way. Do you have any folders that NEVER show up? If not, this probably is no cure.
I don't think so. But how would you know with al the 1000's of
folders?
>
>| Secondly, folder.htt is only of consequence
>| (so I understand) if "web view" is active. I'm
>| using classic view, and switching back and forth
>| doesn't affect the problem.
>
>I think it is something different from WEB view. It's a powerful feature that possibly can ven
>be used to hide a folder completely. Hopefully, the Folder.htt will show up in a Find box,
>& the File menu can be used to get to it & undo the customization.
I had a total of 4 folder.htt on the drive. All installed with the
system (I think) If not, who installed them ?
c:\windows
c:\windows\system
c:\windows\system32
c:\program files
>
>| Thirdly, the system is dual boot. If I boot win2k and access the same
>| files and folders, (basically the C drive)
>| the SAME problem occurs !
>| This does seem to inicate something about the file system itself,
>| doesn't it.
>
>Well, earlier I had you do a Scandisk. Did you do a Thorough (usually w/o write testing)? If the problem persists across OS,
> it could be in the FAT (File Allocation Table). I guess both OS would have to use that.
Scandisk ran without errors, as did Norton Disk Dr.
The other weird thing is this.
If I access this drive on this pc thru a second home pc on the
network by mapping the drive, When I use explorer on the second pc
with the mapped C drive - the SAME error shows up!
I'm pretty much stumped with this. I was wondering if it had
something to do with the size of the partition. It's almost
16GB fat32.
Dave
PCR
| On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:11:27 -0500, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >"START button, Find, F/F, Explorer.exe". How many show up? There should be just one. It's Properties should show...
| >
| >EXPLORER.EXE
| >Desc: Windows Explorer
| >Loc: C:\WINDOWS
| >Size: 180,224 bytes
| >Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
| >Ver: 4.72.3110.1
| >
| >Does it look any different from that? That's Win98SE, but it should be quite similar in FE.
| I'm also running 98SE but my version is different
| 4.72.3612.1700
| 171,280 bytes
| August 20 1999
Acc. to...
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp
DLL Help Database
, you do appear to have a valid version & size...
http://support.microsoft.com/dllhelp/?fid=64161&l=55&det=1
, & you got it from "Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 Service Pack 2 and Internet Tools". Apparently, I never took that.
I hope it is located in... C:\Windows..., though. If in just C:\, it still is suspect, because THAT is where a virus would put it!
| >
| >| explorer.exe /n,e,c:
| >
| >http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=130510
| >Command-Line Switches for Windows Explorer
| >
| >You have left out a "/"... Explorer.exe /n,/e,c:
| >
| >This should give you a 2-pane window showing all drives. Desktop is the root (on top) folder, with it's icon to it's left.
| >My Computer is under that, with a minus sign, in the Folders (left) pane. C: will be selected (highlighted)
| > in the Folders pane, with a MINUS SIGN to it's left.
|
| I don't get that. On mine C is closed with + sign
Yea, & it just doesn't seem right. I doubt it's your newer Explorer.exe doing it. Do you know how to go temporarily back to the original to see...?...
Win98SE's Cabinet WIN98_45.CAB...
04-23-1999 10:22:00p A--- 180,224 explorer.exe
(1) "START button, Run, SFC"
(2) Bolt "Extract one file from installation disk"
(3) Enter "Explorer.exe" in the "Specify..." box.
(4) Click "Start".
(5) It should offer to "Save file in C:\WINDOWS".
If not, make it so.
(6) In "Restore from", if not already pre-filled, browse to
(a) Installation CD (likely the Win98 folder) or
(b) The folder that has your cabs on the hard drive, likely
"C:\WINDOWS\options\cabs\".
(7) Click "OK"
If it discovers the file already exists, it will offer to back it up. DO SO. If it discovers the file is "in use", it will request that you reboot to complete the install.
The backup will be put in.. C:\Windows\Helpdesk\SFC
To restore it yourself, if necessary, in DOS...
COPY C:\Windows\Helpdesk\SFC\Explorer.exe C:\Windows
...snip
| >
| >| If I remove the customization, I'll be destroying the
| >| default settings. How do I get them back?
| I removed customization on c:\windows and all it did was delete
| desktop.ini and folder.htt.
| But they're the one's that were automatically created when windows was
| installed. I didn't make them.
| I restored them from the recycle bin.
Well, I guess that wasn't it, then. Try temporarily (at least) reverting to the original Explorer. OR, I don't know, maybe just EXTRACT the original to C:\Windows\Temp, &...
C:\Windows\Temp\Explorer.exe /n,/e,c:\
That seeems to work for me, but might somehow be different for you.
| >
| >The default is no customization. After turning them off, later you may turn them back on.
| >If some 3rd party app has used this feature to somehow hide folders,
| >it could possibly be undone this way. Do you have any folders that NEVER show up? If not, this probably is no cure.
| I don't think so. But how would you know with al the 1000's of
| folders?
Anyhow, the folders you said were "invisible". Do they ever turn up? I guess they do.
| >
| >| Secondly, folder.htt is only of consequence
| >| (so I understand) if "web view" is active. I'm
| >| using classic view, and switching back and forth
| >| doesn't affect the problem.
| >
| >I think it is something different from WEB view. It's a powerful feature that possibly can ven
| >be used to hide a folder completely. Hopefully, the Folder.htt will show up in a Find box,
| >& the File menu can be used to get to it & undo the customization.
| I had a total of 4 folder.htt on the drive. All installed with the
| system (I think) If not, who installed them ?
| c:\windows
| c:\windows\system
| c:\windows\system32
| c:\program files
Native Windows will create one in a folder in which you have turned on Custimization. It will delete it when you turn it off. Also, a Desktop.ini is created for the folder, or lines will be added/removed from within an existing one. 3rd party apps can also play with them, though!
| >
| >| Thirdly, the system is dual boot. If I boot win2k and access the same
| >| files and folders, (basically the C drive)
| >| the SAME problem occurs !
| >| This does seem to inicate something about the file system itself,
| >| doesn't it.
It could be the FAT (File Allocation Table). It could be something wrong with a file name-- maybe one contains a special character causing mischief. I GUESS it could also be your newer version of Explorer, if the other OS also is not an original Win98SE file.
| >
| >Well, earlier I had you do a Scandisk. Did you do a Thorough (usually w/o write testing)? If the problem persists across OS,
| > it could be in the FAT (File Allocation Table). I guess both OS would have to use that.
| Scandisk ran without errors, as did Norton Disk Dr.
I guess, either nothing is wrong with FAT, or the problem was undetectable by Scandisk.
| The other weird thing is this.
| If I access this drive on this pc thru a second home pc on the
| network by mapping the drive, When I use explorer on the second pc
| with the mapped C drive - the SAME error shows up!
So, it's something that goes with the partition or with the version of Explorer being used.
| I'm pretty much stumped with this. I was wondering if it had
| something to do with the size of the partition. It's almost
| 16GB fat32.
Don't know, doubt it, BUT, until the culprit is found, ???.
| Dave
dave xnet
>"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:e6uc021111edh9458...@4ax.com...
>| On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:11:27 -0500, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
>|
>| >"START button, Find, F/F, Explorer.exe". How many show up? There should be just one. It's Properties should show...
>| >
>| >EXPLORER.EXE
>| >Desc: Windows Explorer
>| >Loc: C:\WINDOWS
>| >Size: 180,224 bytes
>| >Mod: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:22:00 PM
>| >Ver: 4.72.3110.1
>| >
>| >Does it look any different from that? That's Win98SE, but it should be quite similar in FE.
>| I'm also running 98SE but my version is different
>| 4.72.3612.1700
>| 171,280 bytes
>| August 20 1999
>
>Acc. to...
>http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/dllinfo.asp
>DLL Help Database
>
>, you do appear to have a valid version & size...
>http://support.microsoft.com/dllhelp/?fid=64161&l=55&det=1
>
>, & you got it from "Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 Service Pack 2 and Internet Tools". Apparently, I never took that.
>
>I hope it is located in... C:\Windows..., though. If in just C:\, it still is suspect, because THAT is where a virus would put it!
It's in c:\windows and it's the only one. Yeah - I did have IE 5,5
at one time.
well I moved some files off the drive, used partition magic to reduce
the partition from
almost 16gb to 8gb and went from 8kb to 4kb clusters.
It didn't make any difference to the problem.
Perhaps it's something to do with the amount of folders/
files .
AT least we've eliminated some things, even if we haven't
found the problem yet!
Dave
>
>| Dave
dave xnet
<davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote:
>>| I'm pretty much stumped with this. I was wondering if it had
>>| something to do with the size of the partition. It's almost
>>| 16GB fat32.
>>
>>Don't know, doubt it, BUT, until the culprit is found, ???.
>well I moved some files off the drive, used partition magic to reduce
>the partition from
>almost 16gb to 8gb and went from 8kb to 4kb clusters.
>It didn't make any difference to the problem.
>Perhaps it's something to do with the amount of folders/
>files .
>AT least we've eliminated some things, even if we haven't
>found the problem yet!
>Dave
>
>>
>>| Dave
I fixed it.
It was caused by too many folders at the root level.
In other words,
c:\abc1
c:\abc2
c:\abc3
....
c:\abc50
I created a folder called c:\utility and moved about 15 of them in
there. As soon as that was done, problem went away.
Perhaps something to do with FAT 32 ?
Thanks for your help and suggestions!
Dave
PCR
Too many folders in the root? How many were there? I seem to have only 20. Is that a FAT32 partition or just FAT16? "START button, Run, MSInfo32" to see.
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
"dave xnet" <davexn...@ETEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:7icf02p4pt9a8u152...@4ax.com...
davex...@yahoo.com
PCR wrote:
> You are welcome. Glad you got it! I guess your updated Explorer.exe is just fine.
>
> Too many folders in the root? How many were there? I seem to have only 20. Is that a FAT32 partition or just FAT16? "START button, Run, MSInfo32" to see.
>
noticed it. Almost 80 - I reduced it to about 55 and
the problem is gone. It's fat32.
I saw these posts:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/153114/en-us
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/120138/en-us
They were close, but I couldn't find anything that matched exctly.
Onto the next thing now -
Dave
PCR
|
| PCR wrote:
| > You are welcome. Glad you got it! I guess your updated Explorer.exe is just fine.
| >
| > Too many folders in the root? How many were there? I seem to have only 20. Is that a FAT32 partition or just FAT16? "START button, Run, MSInfo32" to see.
| >
| Well I had too many, they just built up over the years and I never
| noticed it. Almost 80 - I reduced it to about 55 and
| the problem is gone. It's fat32.
| I saw these posts:
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/153114/en-us
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/120138/en-us
|
| They were close, but I couldn't find anything that matched exctly.
| Onto the next thing now -
| Dave
I think you did well. Seems like, yea, even with just 55, you could have run out of directory space, or come close enough to cause that mischief in Explorer. It's still possible there was a malformed directory, maybe with an illegal special character inside or too long, that was the cause. Perhaps you deleted it by happenstance.
OK, then. Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely keep this in mind.