In which folder are the USB drivers stored in 98se?

[TY...@no.com]

In which folder are the 'INSTALLED' USB drivers stored in 98se?

I got a driver file that is supposed to recognise all flash
drives.(Whether it works is just a matter of trying it). Presently I can
only access a few of these flash drives and they are all 4gb or less. I
want to try this file, but I hate risking losing all the individual
drivers I have installed over the years, because I have no idea what I
installed or if I even have these drivers anymore.

Although I do have a complete backup of the entire Windows folder for
Win98, I know it can be a hassle restoring the whole thing. I'd like to
just backup the folder (or folders) where these drivers are stored, as
well as their settings, which I assume are stored in the registry.

What folder(s) do I need to backup, and what else?
And while I'm at it, what are the names and location of those registry
files?

I can dual boot to Windows 2000 to restore this stuff if necessary, by
simply copying them back to the Windows folder.

This is one thing I like about Win98, you cant do this in any newer
Windows.... Heck, I've copied my entire Windows folder and program files
folders to other computers, and after installing some drivers for the
new hardware, I have a working clone of my entire W98 install. You cant
do that in XP or higher....

[Lee]

We can't really know where to begin with so it's not going to be as easy as deleting a file in order to restore your machine back to what it was before the update was applied.

Nusb 3.6 is so extensive and only can run once so what I was going to do with it was install a very old program called total uninstall and log the changes done so I can go in and restore the registry stings back to allow a re-installation of nusb3.6, but haven't done that yet. The old Total Uninstall for 98 was free, today's offering is not and it's not the same guy even.

Which leaves you with the only viable option of imaging your windows now and saving that, applying the update and imaging again since you can't run nusb3.6 twice anyway and you will need to when it hits a bad pen drive like what happened to my 98 system. --I-- should be imaging in this day and age but again haven't got around to it.

I don't have the answer to your question. But the old total uninstall program would produce a log of all changes and then ideally, I would still make a new image to actually restore with.

[JJ]

It depends on the driver INF file's [DestinationDirs] section as described
here: (long text warning!)

<https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff553598(v=vs.85).aspx>

The directory ID numbers are listed and described here:

<https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff553598(v=vs.85).aspx>

For example:

[DestinationDirs]
USBSTOR.CopyList = 10, system32\drivers

It means that the files listed under [USBSTOR.CopyList] section is to be
copied into base directory ID 10 under "system32\drivers" subdirectory. The
directory ID 10 is the Windows directory which in typical system is same as
"C:\Windows". So the files are copied into "C:\Windows\system32\drivers".

[98 Guy]

TY...@no.com wrote:

> In which folder are the 'INSTALLED' USB drivers stored in 98se?

You don't need to be asking that question.

What you want is the NUSB version 3.6 driver, which can be downloaded
from here:

http://www.tmeeco.eu/9X4EVER/GOODIES/nusb36e.exe

The typical instructions for installing NUSB is:

- unplug all USB devices from your computer
- go into device manager and delete everything related or mentioning
USB. I believe that includes device hubs, controllers, etc.
- reboot the computer, say no or cancel any attempts by win-98 to allow
itself to find or install drivers for new detected hardware
- run the nusb36e file, then reboot

I suppose before deleting anything in device manager you could just run
nusb36e and see if you can access the usb storage devices in question,
and if it doesn't then follow the above instructions and try again.

Also, note that if you are trying to access SD cards that are 4 gb or
larger, you should be aware that the vast majority of SD card readers
will not read those cards (they are based on an older SD-card format).
There are SD card readers that will work under win-98 that will read SD
cards 4 gb and larger (I have such card readers, and have tested them up
to 64 gb).

[TY...@no.com]

I'm not trying to install NUSB xxx. I tried that years ago, and all I
can remember is that it messed up windows, forcing me to restore my
backup. I recently found something made specicifically written for ONLY
flash drives. That's all I really want to do is be able to use more
flash drives.

The only other USB stuff I use, is my external hard drives, some up to
1gb. I dont expect those to work on W98. If I need to copy a large
number of files, I just boot this computer to Win2000.

But I have at least 15 flash drives and only 2 of them work on 98. All
are 8gb or smaller (except one 16).

I dont mess with SD cards on this computer. I only have them in my
camera and the camera needs XP to copy the card files to th computer. I
just plug the camera into my XP machine, and if I want to put the pics
on the 98 machine, I use a flash drive.

[DONALD G. DAVIS]

I haven't used NUSB, but it sounds complex and problematic. I've
personally had good results with JDUSB in Win98SE (assuming USB 1.1 and
2.0). The whole driver set consists of these three files:

JDUSBMS INF 1,403 01-04-05 11:56p JDUSBMS.INF
JDUSBMS SYS 10,176 02-10-03 1:53p JDUSBMS.SYS
JDUSBPD PDR 9,125 02-10-03 1:51p JDUSBPD.PDR

which I can send on request. Just put these three files into any folder
you wish, and when you install any new USB mass storage device and Win98SE
asks for a driver, point it to that folder. This has worked for me with
almost all flash drives I've tried, of all sizes up to a 128 Gb SanDisk.
It has also worked with a 500 Gb external USB-connected hard drive
(divided into partitions less than 128 Gb each).

--Donald Davis

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <14577456...@nyx2.nyx.net>, DONALD G. DAVIS
<dgd...@nyx.net> writes:
[]

> I haven't used NUSB, but it sounds complex and problematic. I've

I think it's probably OK if you install it as the only USB driver, from
the start. My experience is that it can screw up a system right royally
- but, then, I did disobey the instruction to remove all other USB
drivers before trying it.

I did set up one system from scratch using Soporific's "W98 tenth
anniversary edition", which included a universal USB driver, I think
that one, and it worked fine.

>personally had good results with JDUSB in Win98SE (assuming USB 1.1 and
>2.0). The whole driver set consists of these three files:
>
>JDUSBMS INF 1,403 01-04-05 11:56p JDUSBMS.INF
>JDUSBMS SYS 10,176 02-10-03 1:53p JDUSBMS.SYS
>JDUSBPD PDR 9,125 02-10-03 1:51p JDUSBPD.PDR
>
>which I can send on request. Just put these three files into any folder

Yes please - see below.

>you wish, and when you install any new USB mass storage device and Win98SE
>asks for a driver, point it to that folder. This has worked for me with
>almost all flash drives I've tried, of all sizes up to a 128 Gb SanDisk.
>It has also worked with a 500 Gb external USB-connected hard drive
>(divided into partitions less than 128 Gb each).
>

I take it this one _doesn't_ require other USB drivers already present
to be removed?
> --Donald Davis
>
I thought I'd not bother you and just google for it, but
http://bit.ly/1nExWlm includes lots of reports of the "jdusbms.sys is a
Trojan virus whose main purpose is to open a back door and download more
files on to the compromised computer as much as it can" type, so I'm
wary.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The motto of the Royal Society is: 'Take nobody's word for it'. Scepticism has
value. - Brian Cox, RT 2015/3/14-20

[98 Guy]

"DONALD G. DAVIS" wrote:

> I haven't used NUSB, but it sounds complex and problematic. I've
> personally had good results with JDUSB in Win98SE (assuming USB 1.1
> and 2.0). The whole driver set consists of these three files:
>
> JDUSBMS INF 1,403 01-04-05 11:56p JDUSBMS.INF
> JDUSBMS SYS 10,176 02-10-03 1:53p JDUSBMS.SYS
> JDUSBPD PDR 9,125 02-10-03 1:51p JDUSBPD.PDR

Those files are from a Lexar USB driver set known as the
"Lexar/WinTricks" package where the .inf file was modified to cause most
mass storage devices to be added as "bulk" or generic, and it also
effectively bypasses any 3rd party software from being required to
operate the device. BULK is like a giant floppy drive, it requires no
3rd party access software.

The original package can be found here:

http://www.wintricks.it/download/wtgenusb.zip

Contains these files:

Jdusbpd.pdr .... Windows\System\IoSubSys
Jdusbms.sys .... Windows\System32\Drivers
Wtgenusb.inf ... Windows\Inf (aka Jdusbms.inf)

I've also found it at an alternate location:

https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ygu/hs/USB%20Mass%20Storage.zip

The .inf file in that one is different, maybe there might be some
benefit to combine it with the first one to improve it? I scanned the
.sys and .pdr files from the .de location on virustotal, and they both
come up as harmless.

If you go up one directory to this:

https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ygu/hs/

There's a lot of win-9x and DOS software there.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <56E412AF...@Guy.C0M>, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.C0M> writes:
>"DONALD G. DAVIS" wrote:
>
>> I haven't used NUSB, but it sounds complex and problematic. I've
>> personally had good results with JDUSB in Win98SE (assuming USB 1.1
>> and 2.0). The whole driver set consists of these three files:
>>
>> JDUSBMS INF 1,403 01-04-05 11:56p JDUSBMS.INF
>> JDUSBMS SYS 10,176 02-10-03 1:53p JDUSBMS.SYS
>> JDUSBPD PDR 9,125 02-10-03 1:51p JDUSBPD.PDR
>
>Those files are from a Lexar USB driver set known as the
>"Lexar/WinTricks" package where the .inf file was modified to cause most
>mass storage devices to be added as "bulk" or generic, and it also
>effectively bypasses any 3rd party software from being required to
>operate the device. BULK is like a giant floppy drive, it requires no
>3rd party access software.

Thanks for that explanation. (Does it/do they work without requiring the
removal of any other USB drivers?)

Why couldn't that have been done from the start (-:

>
>The original package can be found here:
>
>http://www.wintricks.it/download/wtgenusb.zip
>
>Contains these files:
>
>Jdusbpd.pdr .... Windows\System\IoSubSys
>Jdusbms.sys .... Windows\System32\Drivers
>Wtgenusb.inf ... Windows\Inf (aka Jdusbms.inf)
>
>I've also found it at an alternate location:
>
>https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ygu/hs/USB%20Mass%20Storage.zip
>
>The .inf file in that one is different, maybe there might be some
>benefit to combine it with the first one to improve it? I scanned the

Thanks for those locations. I see the .pdf and .sys ones in the two are
the same (or at least have the same CRC). [I did have a look at the .inf
files, thinking I might be able to combine them - they're only a few
tens of lines each - but they're somewhat beyond my knowledge of .inf
files.]

>.sys and .pdr files from the .de location on virustotal, and they both
>come up as harmless.

And thanks for doing that, in view of what I found earlier.

>
>If you go up one directory to this:
>
>https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~ygu/hs/
>
>There's a lot of win-9x and DOS software there.

I was going to say make the most of it, as ~ directories at academic
sites (tu- is technical university), but that one is footed "Henrik
Haftmann, created: November 28. 1995 — last modified: March 12. 2016",
so looks as if it might survive a while - though you never know. Agreed,
lots of good-looking stuff.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep
enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" - Jean Kerr

[TY...@no.com]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 07:59:27 -0500, 98 Guy <9...@Guy.C0M> wrote:

>
>The original package can be found here:
>
>http://www.wintricks.it/download/wtgenusb.zip
>
>Contains these files:
>
>Jdusbpd.pdr .... Windows\System\IoSubSys
>Jdusbms.sys .... Windows\System32\Drivers
>Wtgenusb.inf ... Windows\Inf (aka Jdusbms.inf)

OK, I downloaded this. Now, what the heck do I do with it?
Yes, these files are included in the .zip, as well as a uninstaller.bat
file, and README.TXT which is in some foreign language that i dont
understand. (Why didn't they include an english version of this small
text file)?