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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 1, 2003, 4:35:06 AM11/1/03
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I have reinstalled my 98se os afetr a few glitches and in
doing so I have followed some advice by mvp's taken off
the net and change the tekp files to go to a seperate
partition away from c: and the windows os.
I have entered the follwing lines into the autoexec.bat
from the run/msconfig as follows:-

SET Temp=I:TEMP
SET Tmp=%TEMP%

then changed the registry key as follows:-
Hkey_Local_Machine\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersio
n\Explorer\VolumeCaches\temorary Files and modified the
folder for temp folder to show I:\temp

Then with TweakUi I moved the Recent Documents (under MY
Computer in Tweak) to the I: partition and Temp Internet
Files through Tiools\options settings move folder aslo
to I:.

NOW THE PROBLEM

I have downoaded zone alarm and then tried to run the
install but each time I get a error
box "I:\temp\GLF40A1.tmp could not be opened" and again i
tried GLF9297.tmp could not be opened" I guess it is
something I have done with the temp files but do not
understand what??

Plse help

glee

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Nov 1, 2003, 7:26:46 AM11/1/03
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Download a new copy of the ZA setup....it may be corrupt.

Reboot and empty your Temp folder.
How much free space is on the partition I:\?

BTW, I hope that was a typo in your autoexec.bat....it is not I:Temp, but I:\Temp

Change the autoexec to this, for safety:
SET TEMP=I:\TEMP
SET TMP=I:\TEMP

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 1, 2003, 9:58:42 AM11/1/03
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The partition i: does not have any files in it?! Does this
mean that for some reason the system isnt writing to it
correctly thus why the download doesnt work? ! I checked
it by opening the drive in explorer.

I have also tried downloadinig the appliaction ZA setup
again and still same problem.

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Bill Blanton

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Nov 1, 2003, 11:35:59 AM11/1/03
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You have to create the folder TEMP on I: for the enviroment
variable to mean anything. Also make sure you specified
I:\TEMP (with the backslash) as Glen pointed out. If %TEMP%
points to a non-existent folder, you'll get all sorts of strange
errors/problems.

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glee

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Nov 1, 2003, 4:51:39 PM11/1/03
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As Bill points out, you must create the Temp folder you are pointing to, on I:\, in order for it to be used.

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glee

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Nov 1, 2003, 4:50:03 PM11/1/03
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LOL...never occured to me someone would set a TEMP variable without creating the folder, but I guess it happens, as in this case apparently. :-)

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PCR

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Nov 1, 2003, 5:44:27 PM11/1/03
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Glee, it would work without the backslash (\)...

C:\>dir h:
Directory of H:\
WU <DIR> 09-07-03 2:45a WU
UPD TXT 33,329 09-25-03 12:37a upd.txt
1 file(s) 33,329 bytes

C:\>dir h:upd
Directory of H:\
UPD TXT 33,329 09-25-03 12:37a upd.txt
1 file(s) 33,329 bytes

C:\>set test=C:windows\TEMP

C:\>dir %test%
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
DELTA INI 17,204 10-17-03 3:34p DELTA.INI
WWW7126 TMP 129 11-01-03 5:23p www7126.TMP
WEBPOO~1 0 11-01-03 2:48p WebPoolFileFile
3 file(s) 17,333 bytes

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Rick Chauvin

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Nov 1, 2003, 5:54:24 PM11/1/03
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"Bill Blanton" <bbla...@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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> You have to create the folder TEMP on I: for the enviroment
> variable to mean anything. Also make sure you specified
> I:\TEMP (with the backslash) as Glen pointed out. If %TEMP%
> points to a non-existent folder, you'll get all sorts of strange
> errors/problems.

For the life of me I would of never recommended to put the temp in I:\temp
in the first place and would of left it right where it was - I don't
understand why someone told him to do that and how was it relevant to what
Mike needs or does?

I know it wasn't you Bill but lucky you I clicked on your post to express
my wonderment why nobody questioned that? ..although Mike did not ask that
particular question did he...

Rick


glee

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Nov 1, 2003, 6:02:35 PM11/1/03
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Interesting....in Win95 and OSR2x, it does not work without the backslash, but it does in Win98.

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PCR

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Nov 1, 2003, 6:16:18 PM11/1/03
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Apparently. Hmm, probably is best to include the backslash in
instructions, though, in case a Win95 or OSR2x person is looking in.

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Nov 1, 2003, 6:15:05 PM11/1/03
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Actually I stand in amazement at this statement by Mike in his first post;

" I have followed some advice by mvp's taken off
the net and change the tekp files to go to a seperate
partition away from c: and the windows os."

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It may even be wrong!
For Windows Troubleshooting Tips see;
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Bill Blanton

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Nov 1, 2003, 6:25:46 PM11/1/03
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"Rick Chauvin" <jus...@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:eNnF8tMo...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

It's not unusual to move temp files off the system volume, but the folder
\windows\temp should be left too, in case some program is "hard-wired"
to use that instead of %temp%. One advantage of having %temp%, TIF,
cookies, the swap file, and other "busy" folders and files on another volume
is that it helps keep the system volume defragged.

Of course, moving the swap file is another debate in itself.

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Nov 1, 2003, 6:26:57 PM11/1/03
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I still think you were right the first time. Create a "Temp" folder on the root
of C drive and then open a DOS window. From the C:\Windows\> prompt, type
dir c:temp
You will get the same result as typing dir %temp%
now change the directory to the root folder and type (at the C:\> prompt)
dir c:temp
You will get the dir listing of the "C:\temp\" folder
If the Folder had not been there you would have received a
Directory of C:\
File not found
message.

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This information is provided "AS IS"
It may even be wrong!
For Windows Troubleshooting Tips see;
9x/ME http://aumha.org/win4/a/tshoot.htm
2000/XP http://aumha.org/win5/a/tshoot.htm
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Bill Blanton

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Nov 1, 2003, 6:31:49 PM11/1/03
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That proves it for "dir", and DOS. What about other processes like CreateFile( );,
OpenFile( ); ,etc.? Dunno.


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PCR

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Nov 2, 2003, 2:26:15 AM11/2/03
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DIR, SET & DOS is all that I spoke of, Bill. Naturally other languages
are potentially different.

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PCR

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Nov 2, 2003, 2:34:53 AM11/2/03
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That isn't the result I got...

C:\>md c:temp

C:\>dir c:temp
Directory of C:\temp
0 file(s) 0 bytes

C:\>dir %temp%


Directory of C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
DELTA INI 17,204 10-17-03 3:34p DELTA.INI

WEBPOO~1 0 11-01-03 2:48p WebPoolFileFile

2 file(s) 17,204 bytes

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PCR

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Nov 2, 2003, 3:13:05 AM11/2/03
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C:\>md c:temp

C:\>cd windows

C:\WINDOWS>dir c:temp


Directory of C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
DELTA INI 17,204 10-17-03 3:34p DELTA.INI
WEBPOO~1 0 11-01-03 2:48p WebPoolFileFile
2 file(s) 17,204 bytes

C:\WINDOWS>dir c:\temp


Directory of C:\temp
0 file(s) 0 bytes

Hmm, actually you were right. But I don't know what it means. Probably,
it is unwise to have two folders named TEMP, when one of them is also an
environment variable.

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 2, 2003, 4:39:09 AM11/2/03
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Rick - I have now gone to I: and created a folder called
Temp and made sure the backslash was there and it was but
still having probelems getting the install appliaction to
run and also tried it on Adaware product - smae problem
with it as well.

To answer your query as to why I did alll this in the
first place - well I am a real newbie and follwed the
folloing URL for why I should do the temp in this other
partition to begin with!
http://aumha.org/search.htm
can you help any more??
Mike

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 2, 2003, 4:42:34 AM11/2/03
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Thanks Bill, still no luck - I have also tried Adaware
downoad install and it is also stopping - so I guess i
have got something wrong - I not further in the replies by
others as to why I even did the temp on a different
partition to begin with and my answer is as a newbie I
follwed the URL:-
http://aumha.org/search.htm

and felt it was sound logic - I had done this before and
all was OK until I got a system crash and reformatted C;
and reinstalled OS again and now these file errors
any other help??
Mike

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 2, 2003, 4:44:33 AM11/2/03
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Gearge - any help with my problem is appreciated - still
not getting anwhere - BUT I follwed the advise on URL
http://aumha.org/search.htm

which seemed sound and worked very well in the past until
I needed to reformat c: and reinstall OS

Any help on my prob?
Mike

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 2, 2003, 4:46:29 AM11/2/03
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Thanks Glen - have done this but still not working - more
help??

FYI I used this URL http://aumha.org/search.htm
for creating the temp as I have done and in the past all
was good until a reformat of c: and reinstall of OS for
other reasons and now this file error prob.
Mike

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Bill Blanton

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Nov 2, 2003, 8:44:03 AM11/2/03
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Do you have enough free space on I:? Did you reboot after making
the changes, so the new variables could be loaded?
http://aumha.org/a/parts.php#temps
also suggests moving the swap file. Did you, and if so, does it
have sufficient room to grow?

If you have the values entered correctly, there should not be
any problem with a moved %temp%. However for now, you
might want to delete the %temp% statements from autoexec.bat
and put the registry back to c:\windows\temp, and try the installs
again. (Don't forget to reboot for the new %temp% values to take
affect.) If nothing else, this will rule out this part of the problem.

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Bill Blanton

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Nov 2, 2003, 10:40:07 AM11/2/03
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Naturally the language doesn't matter. (though I admit, I am the one that
muddied those waters.) AYK, the language is just an interface to compile
machine code which can call on the file subsystem. DOS running in its VM will
eventually go through the Windows file system driver. But will it add a needed
backslash before it calls out, or does the Windows subsystem not care either?

On DOS, it could be a backward compatible leftover from when DOS did not
support subdirectories, and \ delimiters were not needed.

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> DIR, SET & DOS is all that I spoke of, Bill. Naturally other languages
> are potentially different.

> "Bill Blanton" <bbla...@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:erTUUBNo...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | That proves it for "dir", and DOS. What about other processes like
> | CreateFile( );, OpenFile( ); ,etc.? Dunno.
> |
> |
> | "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message news:OL7H2mMo...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > Glee, it would work without the backslash (\)...

> | > C:\>set test=C:windows\TEMP


> | >
> | > C:\>dir %test%
> | > Directory of C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
> | > DELTA INI 17,204 10-17-03 3:34p DELTA.INI
> | > WWW7126 TMP 129 11-01-03 5:23p www7126.TMP
> | > WEBPOO~1 0 11-01-03 2:48p WebPoolFileFile
> | > 3 file(s) 17,333 bytes

> | > "glee" <gle...@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> | > news:%23ipOUOH...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> | > ....it is not I:Temp, but I:\Temp

Rick Chauvin

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Nov 2, 2003, 10:50:36 AM11/2/03
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"MikeR-Oz" <anon...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Rick - I have now gone to I: and created a folder called
> Temp and made sure the backslash was there and it was but
> still having probelems getting the install appliaction to
> run and also tried it on Adaware product - smae problem
> with it as well.
>
> To answer your query as to why I did alll this in the
> first place - well I am a real newbie and follwed the
> folloing URL for why I should do the temp in this other
> partition to begin with!
> http://aumha.org/search.htm
> can you help any more??


Hi Mike,

Since you asked me, the only help or advice I can give you is that since
you refer to yourself as a newbie which I respect immensely, but rather
than what you're doing I'd suggest in balance with your experience verses
any gain you would receive is to keep it simple which is a very good thing.
My advice is to leave the temp, swap, etc, just the way it is; the
difference you yourself would ever notice with modifications is minuscule
and not worth the effort and what you're going through right now, unless
it's your thing to want to do.

all the best,
Rick


> Mike


Rick Chauvin

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"Bill Blanton" <bbla...@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
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>> "Rick Chauvin" <jus...@nospamz.com> wrote in message
>> news:eNnF8tMo...@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> For the life of me I would of never recommended to put the temp in
>> I:\temp in the first place and would of left it right where it was - I
>> don't understand why someone told him to do that and how was it relevant
>> to what Mike needs or does?
>>
>> I know it wasn't you Bill but lucky you I clicked on your post to
express
>> my wonderment why nobody questioned that? ..although Mike did not ask
>> that particular question did he...
>>
>> Rick


> It's not unusual to move temp files off the system volume, but the folder
> \windows\temp should be left too, in case some program is "hard-wired"

yes understood

> to use that instead of %temp%. One advantage of having %temp%, TIF,
> cookies, the swap file, and other "busy" folders and files on another
> volume is that it helps keep the system volume defragged.

yes understood, but is not something I would recommend for the average
person really at all unless they were a techie and wanted to experiment,
but running defrag on occasion is more than sufficient and the millisecond
second of time saved otherwise is negligible I think, and more often like
in this case like with Mike is an inappropriate priority and not at all
worth the effort. (unless it's a techie personal project play experiment
type thing then the sacred value lies in the mind of the beholder)

> Of course, moving the swap file is another debate in itself.

..for sure..


have a nice day Bill,

Rick

PCR

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Nov 2, 2003, 2:27:40 PM11/2/03
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I'm just saying that every Windows DOS (in a box) command that I tried
so far (DIR, SET; MD; PATH) seem to function without the backslash (\)
after a drive designation. There are some differences between True DOS
and Windows DOS, I know. But I doubt there is a syntax difference. It is
Command.com that must be satisfied for syntax.

However, Dundat has shown, "c:temp" can refer to two different folders.
(See that portion of this thread.) I'm thinking the problem with that
one is that %temp% is a system variable. Also, Glee has said Win95 &
other OS are different. Therefore, it is probably best always to use the
backslash (\), as you never do know who is looking in.

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 2, 2003, 6:43:45 PM11/2/03
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Thanks Rick - its a kind of obsession - I enjoy the challenges and results
when they a good - but I am starting to wonder if my 'learning' and
'enjoyment' is becoming a hasstle and time waster for the forum / you guys -
which has not been my intention - ??!!
Mike

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MikeR-Oz

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Nov 2, 2003, 6:48:42 PM11/2/03
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Bill, I have resolved part of the issue - It apperas to be with the install
shield wizard - I will try to explain what I found and perhaps this will
mean more to you-
I tried to install Adawre from the download and it too came up with error
messages - but - this time in the back pop up window that the install runs
( the error window over the top of it) I noticed that it was trying to
install to directory G:\\ProgramFiles etc etc etc THE PROBLEM was that it
had 2 back slashes afetr G:\\ - This Install gave me the option to chage
directory so I changed it to G;\( 1 backslash) and the rest of the direcory
etc and IT WORKED - But the Zone labs also has the G:\\ ( 2 back slashes)
but does not give me the option to change the directory??!!

Where is the second backslash coming from? and how to correct it?
Mike


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glee

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Nov 2, 2003, 8:42:47 PM11/2/03
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You've been playing in the Registry? Or with TweakUI, or another tweaking app?
Set your "Program Files" directory to G:\ProgramFiles, but inserted 2 slashes when you did so?

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Rick Chauvin

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"MikeR-Oz" <anaon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Rick - its a kind of obsession - I enjoy the challenges and

I can easily understand the challenge part and do it often myself, although in
this case I may have picked another project subject is all, but I certainly
support your enjoyment & inquisitiveness.

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