Win98se "Upgrade" with Kernel Ex and Other Aps
jaugu...@verizon.net
I read the other post and replies regarding using FireFox 3.x with Win98
if Kernel Ex was used, but will this kernel extension also allow the use of
other incompatible (to Win98) applications such as Adobe Reader V9.x, etc.?
Thank You in Advance, John
PS, Remove "ine" from my email address
98 Guy
> I read the other post and replies regarding using FireFox 3.x
> with Win98 if Kernel Ex was used, but will this kernel extension
> also allow the use of other incompatible (to Win98) applications
> such as Adobe Reader V9.x, etc.?
Just to give you a complete answer, the win9x/me forum on msfn.org is
probably the best place on the internet where you can get comprehensive
support and information regarding windows 98 (and ME) along with
download links to constantly updated software resources like drivers and
yes, the KernelEx API compatibility layer. The website for that forum
is:
http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/
I might be the only person who reads and posts to that forum as well as
these win-98 newsgroups.
A specific sub-forum has been created for KernelEx, and it can be found
here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/130936-kernelex-45-final/
It's part of a set of Windows 9x Member projects, which can be found
here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/91-windows-9x-member-projects/
A list of important topics for win-9x/me can be found here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/95815-important-stickified-pinned-959898-seme-topics/
One of the more active members of the win-9x/me forums (Mdgx) has his
own website where he maintains a repository of various software updates,
ugrades, and enhancement (service) packs for win-9x/me. It can be found
here:
To answer your question, yes, there is a lot of software that can run on
win-9x/me thanks to KernelEx that would normally require Windows 2000 or
above to run.
This specific thread was created just to talk about or list various
programs that are compatible with KernelEx:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/120479-kernelex-app-compatibility-database/
There is not much mention of Acrobat reader. Most people are concerned
about browser compatibility (firefox 3.x and 4.x and Opera) and Adobe
flash player.
From what I can tell, Acrobat Reader 7 works with KernelEx, and Reader 9
might.
But to be honest, I have Reader 6 installed on my system, and I rarely
ever come across a PDF file that it can't open. Yes, you always have to
ignore the initial warning message when you open up most PDF files,
which I find always proves to be bogus. I believe there's a hack
somewhere that will remove the warning message from reader 6.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Just a quickie: what are the _dis_advantages of having KernelEx?
LOOL
You going to make him look up info!
Disadvantages include:
Longer application start up time.
Applications must be verified when they are started to ensure they have been
compiled by the correct compiler,
or may need recompiling either from source code or from byte code.
Inflexible type systems.
On traditional systems, applications frequently perform operations that are
not type safe.
Such operations cannot be permitted in a language-based protection system,
which means that applications may need to be rewritten and may, in some
cases, lose performance.
Examples of systems with language-based protection include JX and
Microsoft's Singularity.
Tim Meddick
disadvantages!
Would you know if that might be the only way to workaround the installing
of [such apps as] Google Chrome to WinME ?
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote in message
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98 Guy
> Disadvantages include:
(horse-shit deleted)
Hmm. nothing left to quote.
98 Guy
> Seems like a good idea, though, unfortunate about the list of
> disadvantages!
Are you serious?
Did you actually believe what hot-shit wrote?
98 Guy
> Just a quickie: what are the _dis_advantages of having KernelEx?
There are no real dis-advantages for having KernelEx.
Any existing legacy application that you have that you may think is
misbehaving because of the KernelEx hook into kernel32.dll, you can
selectively disable specific .exe, .dll, or any other code-based file by
bringing up the file's properties setting and there will be a kernelex
tab that will allow you to set a specific compatibility setting
(including disable KernelEx for that file).
KernelEx adds win-2k/XP API functions to your existing kernel32.dll by
hooking into it. Any software that does not call NT-specific API
functions from kernel32 will not invoke these additional functions.
Tim Meddick
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"98 Guy" <9...@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4D5A906C...@Guy.com...
98 Guy
> >> Seems like a good idea, though, unfortunate about the list of
> >> disadvantages!
> >
> > Are you serious?
> >
> > Did you actually believe what hot-shit wrote?
>
> What sort of [response] question is that ?
Are you incapable of following a thread?
Gilliver asks what are the disadvantages of KernelEx.
Hot-dick responds by posting a response full of garbage.
You respond by saying "unfortunate about the list of disadvantages!"
which to me indicates that unless you were joking, you believed the
garbage posted by hot-dink. So I asked if you actually believed what
hot-fool wrote.
You come back and ask what sort of question is that.
So now you should know what sort of question it is.
Hot-text
Tim Meddick
One disadvantages having KernelEx
It will not Install Opera 11.1.1190.0!
Hot-text
"Tim Meddick" <timme...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What sort of [response] question is that ?
He can not help it missing MEB!
Tim Meddick
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote in message news:4d5a...@news.x-privat.org...
Tim Meddick
another possibility to workaround the installing of (specifically Google
Chrome) other apps that will commonly only install on 2K / XP.
I have a client who is running WinME and is a bit infuriating that she
cannot "see" her daughter's Facebook pages because the only browser I can
install is IE6!
I have heard of being able to install Opera and maybe a couple of other
browsers, but after spending a whole day going round and round the links on
their website[s], gave up.
I would really like to be able to give her a browser that is capable of
viewing pages written in the modern HTML5 so she can at least access her
daughter's Facebook site.
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote in message news:4d5a...@news.x-privat.org...
MyNews
wrote:
> I see, but what I was trying to ask, seriously, was is there perhaps
> another possibility to workaround the installing of (specifically Google
> Chrome) other apps that will commonly only install on 2K / XP.
>
Google Chrome Not my Cap of Tea!
>
> I have a client who is running WinME and is a bit infuriating that she
> cannot "see" her daughter's Facebook pages because the only browser I
> can install is IE6!
>
> I have heard of being able to install Opera and maybe a couple of other
> browsers, but after spending a whole day going round and round the links
> on their website[s], gave up.
>
The Last Opera that i Run was 10.62 it Updated to 11.00, And stop working
on Win98
Unable to fine a workaround for the install for Opera for 10.62 would
install with
out KernelEx, i install KernelEx and Opera 11.01 get a Pop-up said only
Win2000 and up
Set Opera 11.01 to 2000 sp4 no install stop and mack on Folders and Files!
Start a New workaround for the install of Opera 11.01
Going to make Folders
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM and SYSTEM32 to see if opera doing install there!
Did back to too on That!
>
> I would really like to be able to give her a browser that is capable of
> viewing pages written in the modern HTML5 so she can at least access her
> daughter's Facebook site.
>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
>
>
>
>
> "Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote in message
> news:4d5a...@news.x-privat.org...
>>
>> Tim Meddick
>>
>> One disadvantages having KernelEx
>>
>> It will not Install Opera 11.1.1190.0!
>>
>>
>>
>> -- http://hot-text.ath.cx
>
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Ok Mynews and hot-text one &some
Ok on Win ME
Opera 11.01
Get the some
Installer Error
Failed to obtain write access installation folder. Error code:6
Now for Firefox Guy98 is running and can help you with!
Some error with win98 too!
MotoFox
98FE machine (4.10.1998) is most of the built-in programmes that come with NT
(Explorer, SOL, WRITE etc.) still won't run. When I try to run the 2KSP4 or XP
distribution of Solitaire, I only get error messages.
Now, third-party programmes like GIMP and MP3SPLT seem to work fine, for the
most part!
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If ingested, do not induce vomiting.
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/forums/forum/924679/topic/3876041
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GIMP will run and install with out it!
Sunny
Microsoft controlled usenet use of Microsoft.public news groups,
classified anyone who posted to Usenet as "usenutters", and, thought the
US administration was persecuting him.
"Tim Meddick" <timme...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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98 Guy
> ... because the only browser I can install is IE6!
I suggest you install Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's the last version of
Firefox 2 that can install on win-9x/me. Newer versions of Firefox (3
and 4) require KernelEx.
You can download firefox 2.0.0.20 from here:
http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?app=eef1c91e89ba025505dcc77b6b195538
Some websites will complain if they see that you're using an old browser
like Firefox 2. To prevent that, download something called the
"user-agent switcher" add-on. It can be obtained from here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/
After it's installed, click on this link:
http://techpatterns.com/downloads/firefox/useragentswitcher.xml
Then click File, Save Page As, and save that page somewhere.
Then click Tools, Default User Agent, Edit User Agent, Import, then
select the XML file you saved in the previous step. Then click OK.
Then close all firefox windows and restart firefox.
Go to Tools, Default User Agent, and select the user-agent of your
choice. For example, try Browsers - Windows, Firefox 3.0.10 (XP). Any
website you visit will now think you're running Firefox 3.0.10.
To test if your new User-Agent setting is working, go here:
http://whatsmyuseragent.com/
Your should be told that your user-agent is:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10)
Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10
This is how you fool various web-sites into thinking you have an updated
browser, so they won't give you a hassle about using an old browser.
The user-agent switcher has the quirk that it won't keep your custom
user-agent setting after firefox is shut-down. To fix that, open
Firefox, and in the address bar type about:config (enter). Right-click
somewhere in the white space and select "New - Boolean". Enter
useragentswitcher.reset.onclose for the preference name, and select
false for the value. That's it. Now set your desired user-agent and
that setting should stick.
kamusician
did not need to use kernelex to install or run it. Also it is aimed toward
all the social media type stuff. I haven't had a problem with it yet (had it
for about 2 months)...
"Tim Meddick" <timme...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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98 Guy
> You might give Flock a try. I recently installed version 2.6.2
> in 98se and did not need to use kernelex to install or run it.
There are a lot of wierd and strange browsers out there, but truth be
told I run KernelEx not so much to be able to run Firefox 3 or 4 or
Opera 11, but instead to be able to run a lot of other applications that
normally requires Win-2K/XP.
Like Google Maps, Streetview, Adobe Flash player 10, JDownloader, etc.
My main browser is Firefox 2.0.0.20 - which doesn't require KernelEx to
run on win-98.
Quite frankly, anyone running Win-98 or ME during the years 2007 - 2009
and kept using IE6 instead of Firefox 2 as their primary web-browers was
a fool.
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"98 Guy" <9...@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4D5BE018...@Guy.com...
A Fool is the one unable the run Firefox 3.6 or new Firefox 4 Beta with
KernelEx!
Why can your not run Firefox 3?
I do not believe you running a Windows 98 as the Only system !
I believe you running Win98 on a VSM!
If this KernelEx work as you say why you not running IE7 or IE8 on Win98?
O your primary web-browers is Firefox 2
Look if You going to say that KernelEx is good you need to show your Test of
it!
I till you it dos not Work!
All the test I run show me it lie to win 98 &ME sys.
Say to the Software say it is that OS you trying to run!
For Opera 11 have move to NT drives and unable to nun of Win98 with
KernelEx!
Tim Meddick
BTW Do you happen to have a download link for "KernelEx" lying around?
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"98 Guy" <9...@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4D5B1869...@Guy.com...
> Tim Meddick improperly top-quoted:
>
>
> You can download firefox 2.0.0.20 from here:
>
> http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?app=eef1c91e89ba025505dcc77b6b195538
>
> < clipped >
>
FromTheRafters
"Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote:
[...]
> If this KernelEx work as you say why you not running IE7 or IE8 on Win98?
> O your primary web-browers is Firefox 2
As I understand it, it handles the API differences but does not do any
further virtualization for handling other system differences.
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"FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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So you saying that it does not give out NT drive to make the Software work
in windows 98 or ME.
That make KernelEx no good for IE 7, IE 8, Opera 11, or Firefox 3
I'll Unpack Opera 11 and look at the code, to see the *.dll and *.drv it
call up!
see if I can make workaround for it, I may have to made a pug-inn KernelEx!
FromTheRafters
>
> "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:20110216165642....@nomail.afraid.org...
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:29:31 -0600
>> "Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> If this KernelEx work as you say why you not running IE7 or IE8 on
>>> Win98?
>>> O your primary web-browers is Firefox 2
>>
>> As I understand it, it handles the API differences but does not do any
>> further virtualization for handling other system differences.
>
> So you saying that it does not give out NT drive to make the Software
> work in windows 98 or ME.
> That make KernelEx no good for IE 7, IE 8, Opera 11, or Firefox 3
No, I am only suggesting that it is/was not a complete abstraction.
> I'll Unpack Opera 11 and look at the code, to see the *.dll and *.drv it
> call up!
> see if I can make workaround for it, I may have to made a pug-inn KernelEx!
>
http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/2010/12/opera-11-compatible-with-kernelex/
Later versions of IE use the integrity levels (MIC/WIC) which *might*
not be implemented in W98 w/KernelEx.
That's just a guess though.
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manifestVersion=1.0
[compatibility xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:compatibility.v1"]
[application]
[supportedOS Id="{e2011457-1546-43c5-a5fe-008deee3d3f0}"/]
[supportedOS Id="{35138b9a-5d96-4fbd-8e2d-a2440225f93a}"/]
[/application]
[/compatibility]
[/assembly]
Requirements
Minimum supported client
Windows 7
Minimum supported server
Windows Server 2008 R2
Header
Winnt.h (include Windows.h)
--------------------------------------------------------
out of File name .rdata
Wintrust.dll
WinVerifyTrust
Crypt32.dll
CryptQueryObject
CryptMsgGetParam
CertFindCertificateInStore
CertGetNameStringW
CertFreeCertificateContext
CertCloseStore
CryptMsgClose
o p e n O p e r a S o f t w a r e A S A
kernel32.dll
ntdll.dll
Advapi32.dll
Progman shell32.dll
OUniAnsi.dll
InitOUniAnsiStarter Opera Error psapi.dll
-write_crashlog
Start----The Error I did with Widow 98 and EM---
Failed to load the Unicode compatibility layer OUniAnsi.DLL because:
%s WS2_32.dll
Stop--here at the error----
Windows Sockets 2.0 is required to run Opera.
Please install the update from
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q182108/
/ReinstallBrowser
/addfirewallexception
Failed to start application.
OpStart OpSetSpawnPath
OpSetLaunchMan
OpGetNextUninstallFile
k . b a t
:Repeat1
del "%S"
if exist "%S"
goto Repeat1
:Repeat2
del "%S"
if exist "%S"
goto Repeat2
del %%0
Opera failed to start because:
Failed to load Opera.DLL because:
O p e r a . e x e
O p e r a . d l l
i n s t a l l f o l d e r ^
CreateFileA
KERNEL32.dll
USER32.dll
ADVAPI32.dll
SHELL32.dll
X:\output\1296032584\work\VS_Output\PGO\desktop_starter.pdb
Look like I have my wort cut out for mt to night FTR!
http://hot-text.ath.cx
Hot-text
> Hot-text wrote:
>>
>> "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:20110216165642....@nomail.afraid.org...
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:29:31 -0600
>>> "Hot-text" <m...@you.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> If this KernelEx work as you say why you not running IE7 or IE8 on
>>>> Win98?
>>>> O your primary web-browers is Firefox 2
>>>
>>> As I understand it, it handles the API differences but does not do any
>>> further virtualization for handling other system differences.
>>
>> So you saying that it does not give out NT drive to make the Software
>> work in windows 98 or ME.
>> That make KernelEx no good for IE 7, IE 8, Opera 11, or Firefox 3
>
> No, I am only suggesting that it is/was not a complete abstraction.
>
>> I'll Unpack Opera 11 and look at the code, to see the *.dll and *.drv it
>> call up!
>> see if I can make workaround for it, I may have to made a pug-inn
>> KernelEx!
>>
> http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/2010/12/opera-11-compatible-with-kernelex/
>
Thank you
>
> Later versions of IE use the integrity levels (MIC/WIC) which *might* not
> be implemented in W98 w/KernelEx.
>
> That's just a guess though.
Some time a good guess is a ton of light bub's!
Benjamin Franklin!
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Winnt.h (include Windows.h)
calls
(include winerror.h)
(include string.h)
(include basetsd.h)
(include pshpack4.h)
(include poppack.h) < DriverType=SERVICE_KERNEL_DRIVER
get to run my MicGw
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
>One "peculiarity" (if you can call it that) I have noticed with
>Kernelex on a 98FE machine (4.10.1998) is most of the built-in
>programmes that come with NT (Explorer, SOL, WRITE etc.) still won't
>run. When I try to run the 2KSP4 or XP distribution of Solitaire, I
>only get error messages.
>
>Now, third-party programmes like GIMP and MP3SPLT seem to work fine,
>for the most part!
>
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The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Thanks for that ...
J. P. Gilliver (John)
writes:
>On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:08:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Just a quickie: what are the _dis_advantages of having KernelEx?
And this was the sort of answer I was looking for; thanks.
[]
>Otherwise everything works fine. I should mention that I DO NOT have
>IE installed at all. I removed it. If anything, I'd say that
>KernelEx made my system more stable. However what really fixed
I suppose it's possible; at present (on my older laptop) I run 98lite,
which is in some ways '95, but the '98 bits do seem more stable.
>stability issues in Win98 the most was getting rid of IE. IE 5 and 6
Sounds not at all unlikely! I too have removed all trace of IE from my
'98lite machines. (Actually I think I still have the two .dll files that
HTML help files need.)
>were always crashing. I now run FF 3.x and the latest K-Meleon. I
>often have 25 browser windows open, plus Thunderbird, Agent, and at
>least one other program, and I never crash, I eventually just run out
>of resources and start getting black icons. That means it's time to
>close a few things. Particularly java scripted websites which seem to
>suck power.
Interesting, thanks.
>
>I was initially a little worried about installing KernelEx. Now I
>highly recommend it.
>
>I cant comment on Adobe reader. I use ver 6. It works fine.
>
(I use foxit, which seems to do all that is required with much less
fuss.)
>
>
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Odds are, the phrase "It's none of my business" will be followed by "but".
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> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 01:03:11 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Interesting, thanks.
>>>
>>>I was initially a little worried about installing KernelEx. Now I
>>>highly recommend it.
>>>
>>>I cant comment on Adobe reader. I use ver 6. It works fine.
>>>
>>(I use foxit, which seems to do all that is required with much less
>>fuss.)
>>>
>
> having foxit crash quite often with the newer PDF files, particularly
> the large files. It got so bad I finally removed it from my computer
> and went back to Adobe 6. This was NOT windows related. It's foxit.
> I can say that because I also installed it in Windows2000 and it did
> the same shit. I used to swear by it, now I swear at it. It was a
> lot faster than Adobe 6 to load. I can just imagine how slow the
> newer version of Adobe reader are.... But thats the name of the game
> with everything today. Bloatware and more bloatware. They ran out of
> useful things to add to the software so they add useless bloat so they
> can sell another version. Of course Adobe reader is free, but I guess
> they got to compete with all the other bloated junk, like Vista and
> Windows7.
>
Adobe was show But the new dates for IE 7, 8 is like check and there it is!