Browser barely working, takes forever to load a web page
Larry
I never had before. It takes one to three minutes, sometimes longer just to
load each web page. Everything else is normal. I send and receive e-mail
normally. But it takes forever to load each web page. Also, when saving
new material or changes at my weblog, it takes a long long time for the Save
to occur, so it seems the problem is not just on my local machine, which
makes no sense. Dell Tech support told me last night my download and upload
speed is fine, so that's not the problem.
I just did a Spybot S+D on my system after updating Spybot S&D, and that
hasn't fixed the problem.
I thought of updating my Zone Alarm, which I hadn't updated in a long time,
but at its website, it says:
"Attention: Win 98SE/Me support discontinued"
I have Windows 98 first edition, so I guess Zone Alarm doesn't even work my
system any more? What firewall should I use for Windows 98 since Zone Alarm
doesn't support Windows 98?
I'm trying to update my AVG free anti-virus program, but I can't get it to
go online to get the update, it keeps prompting me to browse in my computer
for the update, which makes no sense. In any case, could a virus explain
the kind of problem I'm having?
Any ideas?
Thanks
Larry
I have on my system but almost never use), and it seems to load web pages
normally.
Daave
1. You need to empty your browser cache. Make sure IE is closed. Open
Internet Properties by right-clicking your IE desktop icon or by Start >
Settings > Control Panel > Internet Options. On the General Tab in the
middle (Temporary Internet files) click on Delete Files. In the next
window, make sure Delete All Offline Content is checked, then click OK.
For good measure, I would also Delete Cookies.
2. There's nothing wrong with using an older version of Zone Alarm. Or
you could use an older version of Outpost Firewall (I use
1.0.1817.1645).
3. Do you have the current version of AVG? Mine is 7.5.446. Support for
Version 7.0 ended this past January, I believe.
4. Deleting *all* temp files, followed by a defrag, is also recommended.
Ccleaner is a good temp file cleaning utility.
Let me know if you need any links.
--
Dave
PA Bear
hijackware. (Very often, simply scanning with anti-spyware applications
isn't enough.) Run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting
your hijackthis log to an appropriate forum.
Checking for/Help with Hijackware
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=5878
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Malware_Removal_and_Prevention:_Introduction
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/prevention.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/tshoot.html
http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware
When all else fails, HijackThis v1.99.1
(http://aumha.org/downloads/hijackthis.zip) is the preferred tool to use.
It will help you to both identify and remove any hijackware/spyware with
assistance from an expert. **Post your log to
http://forums.spybot.info/forumdisplay.php?f=22,
http://castlecops.com/forum67.html,
http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7,
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30, or other appropriate forums for expert
analysis, not here.**
If the procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in admitting this
isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable and
independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA) computer repair shop.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
Larry
Internet Files folder (much faster than Windows' own utilities do it) and I
use it regularly so I'm sure that's not the cause of the problem.
2. Since Zone Alarm must be regularly updated (with new lists of invaders
etc.), how can older versions work?
3. I've just downloaded and am about to install AVG 7.5.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Larry
> > If the procedures look too complex -
PA Bear, the only complicated thing here is the long list of links you gave
me to choose from! One or two would be enough, I think ...
Is Hijackware something different from Spyware?
And is Spyware S&D still considered a good program? A few years ago it
worked miracles in getting my browser working again.
"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Larry
advice to know which files it is safe to delete. That _is_ complicated.
:-)
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Gary S. Terhune
That's why the different options. As for HijackThis, the forums where the
HJT logs are analyzed are free. Not really so complicated.
Personally, what I think is most missing from your arsenal is AdAware SE.
But if it's something more serious, HJT and a root kit revealer might be
necessary.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Gary S. Terhune
Avast! instead of AVG. Better scores all 'round.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Larry
Its user interface is the most confusing thing I've ever seen. The various
buttons and messages contradict each other and nothing is what it says it
is. I guess I would need to update it before running it, but I see no
instructions on that.
"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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thanatoid
news:u#v2v7ub...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
> 1. I have a utility that quickly and completely empties
> out the Temporary Internet Files folder (much faster than
> Windows' own utilities do it) and I use it regularly so I'm
> sure that's not the cause of the problem.
Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. IE does lots of funny things
to your system, especially when helped by friendly hackers whose
No. 1 target it just happens to be - not that MS didn't do a
pretty good job of designing it to be the main entryway into
your system to begin with. Ask THEM why.
Why anyone would even use that dangerous piece of shit when one
has the vastly-superior Opera installed and working fine is
beyond me.
> 2. Since Zone Alarm must be regularly updated (with new
> lists of invaders etc.), how can older versions work?
Updates of firewalls are a scam to get you to pay for nothing. I
know ZA is free but many people can't get it to run on their
systems and their support is nonexistent and their rating is not
that high. There are people that will argue firewalls aren't
even of any use, but let's not get into that. I use Agnitum ver.
1 from 1999-2002, no support OR updates available, works like a
charm.
> 3. I've just downloaded and am about to install AVG 7.5.
There are so many AV programs I won't even start, but if you
DON'T use IE and don't stupid things online, the ONLY time you
need an AV is to scan anything is when you DL stuff, and that
can be done offline later. You don't install programs while
ONLINE, do you????
Personally, once a month or so I do a scan of c:\temp and
c:\windows\all subdirs in DOS with f-prot for DOS (free, same
engine and defs as the very highly rated f-secure) and since I
don't do stupid things online (except post to groups like this)
I can't even remember the last time I found anything suspicious
let alone a virus/trojan. Also, I use NO MS software except the
OS so Word/Excel macros are not a concern.
Just another point of view.
<SNIP>
--
Disagreements and the usual insults expected and welcomed.
Gary S. Terhune
being harder to drive than Spybot. Anyway, get AdAware SE. When you open
it, right above the Start button there's a "Check for updates now" link.
Click that, click "Connect", when it prompts you to download new updates, do
so. When it's done, click Finish, click Start, then choose "Full system
scan" or "Smart system scan". In your case, I'd recommend the "Smart system
scan' first time out.
Get it here:
http://tinyurl.com/5kgsl
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Larry
AdAware SE 1.06.
Larry
Windows InstallerThis installation package cannot be installed by the Windows Installer service. You must install a Windows service pack that contains a newer version of the Windows Installer service.
thanatoid
news:Oi2#jAxbHH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> I have Ad Aware 6 on my system which I haven't run in a
> couple of years. Its user interface is the most confusing
> thing I've ever seen. The various buttons and messages
> contradict each other and nothing is what it says it is. I
> guess I would need to update it before running it, but I
> see no instructions on that.
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
<S N I P>
AdAware used to be OK the first few years after it came out.
Then they started fucking around with the interface (I agree
with your comments above), made it a guessing game where to
download the updates, made the updates in different formats
depending on where you got them from, some installed and some
didn't, etc.
For a while I started thinking there were TWO AdAware products
by different companies and then I just stopped caring. Besides,
the several times I have used it it never found ANYTHING, as it
won't on most people's computers who are capable of basic brain
processes like the one that stops them from using IE/OE or the
one that makes it a habit to scan DL's for viruses.
Spybot will find anything and more than AdAware ever could by
design and it is infinitely simpler, more logical, and thorough.
Its only fault is that it takes a fairly long time to load and
run through its process, but a) I have a 166MHz machine running
95B and b) that's what being thorough is about.
As for AdAware, I have removed it from my machine years ago.
Good riddance.
Gary S. Terhune
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cebbacd8-c094-4255-b702-de3bb768148f&DisplayLang=en
TinyURL = http://tinyurl.com/3qzi
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Gary S. Terhune
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Larry
Thanks. :-)
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> "Windows Installer 2.0 Redistributable for Windows 95, 98, and Me"
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=cebbacd8-c094-4255-b702-de3bb768148f&DisplayLang=en
>
> TinyURL = http://tinyurl.com/3qzi
>
>
Larry
I ran downloaded and ran the upgraded AVG, there were no viruses on my
system. I downloaded and ran the upgraded Ad-Aware, it found about 400
objects that I quaranteened. But my IE problem, with the extremely slow
loading of web pages, persists. So now it looks like the next step is
Hijack This.
Larry
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> I don't remember Adaware 6, it's been that long. But I don't remember
> it being harder to drive than Spybot. Anyway, get AdAware SE. When
> you open it, right above the Start button there's a "Check for
> updates now" link. Click that, click "Connect", when it prompts you
> to download new updates, do so. When it's done, click Finish, click
> Start, then choose "Full system scan" or "Smart system scan". In your
> case, I'd recommend the "Smart system scan' first time out.
>
> Get it here:
> http://tinyurl.com/5kgsl
>
>
Daave
> 2. Since Zone Alarm must be regularly updated (with new lists of
> invaders
> etc.), how can older versions work?
When you mention "invaders," it appears you're not talking about the
basic firewall. If you're talking about the Internet Security Suite, I'd
ditch it post haste. There are plenty of high-quality *free*
anti-malware apps. You mentioned AVG; this handles viruses. You also
mentioned Spybot S&D; this is good for spyware. I would also recommend
AdAware in addition. You may use older versions of Zone Alarm or Outpost
as your firewall.
Also, running Zone Alarm Internet Security Suite simultaneously with
another anti-virus will cause conflicts and slow your PC down.
--
Dave
PA Bear
apps.
--
~PA Bear
PA Bear
Yes.
--
~PA Bear
Larry wrote:
> I ran downloaded and ran the upgraded AVG, there were no viruses on my
> system. I downloaded and ran the upgraded Ad-Aware, it found about 400
> objects that I quaranteened. But my IE problem, with the extremely slow
> loading of web pages, persists. So now it looks like the next step is
> Hijack This.
>
Gary S. Terhune
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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real@hotmail.com MEB
Checking the site http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html:
Windows 98/Me (It is only supported until 30.06.2007)
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world
"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________
PA Bear
recommended it (vs AVG) like it and have ventured no complaints/problems.
AntiVir shares the same database as Avira's more high-end apps.
--
~PA Bear
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Hmmm... Haven't tried that one. How is it for user-friendliness?
>
>
Daave
> Gary,
>
> I ran downloaded and ran the upgraded AVG, there were no viruses on my
> system. I downloaded and ran the upgraded Ad-Aware, it found about
> 400 objects that I quaranteened. But my IE problem, with the
> extremely slow loading of web pages, persists. So now it looks like
> the next step is Hijack This.
I'm curious to see what your HJT log looks like. Why don't you post a
link to the Web forum you're using?
Robert Aldwinckle
>> If you're concerned about having the best possible free AV, may I suggest
>> Avast! instead of AVG. Better scores all 'round.
> Personally, I'd put Avira AntiVir ahead of Avast when it comes to free AV apps.
Would that be your answer to zackrspv question? ; )
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general&mid=ccdfedc3-b5bd-4374-a8d9-e1809e2c78c5&sloc=en-us
Subject: Re: IE7 Hangs
Date: 26 Mar 2007 08:30:52 -0700
<quote>
what would you recommend?
</quote>
BTW how many other AV use that questionable proxy technique
exhibited by ashWebSv.exe? Is it a default or a user choice?
I think when performance issues come up for IE we should ask
if something like it is in effect. To be "On Topic" here <w>
would Larry's AVG be doing something similar too?
Robert
---
Larry
I just checked out a couple of these forums. They're talking about a
four-five day wait before someone looks at the Hijack This log.
"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Larry
I registered at Castle Cops forum. Here's the link where I posted my
question and my HijackThis Log, under the nickname Dunlop. I guess I just
have to wait now and keep checking back. Any suggestions on what to do next
other than wait?
http://www.castlecops.com/p916098-IE6_extremely_slow_barely_works_at_all.html#916098
These online forums are a complicated, confusing environment. I mean the
number of different forums, and figuring out where you are located.
For example, I successfully posted my comment with the copy of the HJ log,
and I am looking at it, but that page does not link me to a list of comments
where my comment is listed along with others. I'm not even sure which forum
my comment is in, though I initially chose the HJ forum. It's insanely
complicated.
Thanks,
Larry
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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PA Bear
infection, Larry.
Did you read all of the Announcements on this page?...
http://www.castlecops.com/f67-Hijackthis_Spyware_Viruses_Worms_Trojans_Oh_My.html
Does your post adhere to the requirements posted in this thread?...
http://www.castlecops.com/t102301-Hijackthis_Guidelines_Read_Before_Posting.html
This one?...
http://www.castlecops.com/t146923-Waiting_for_Help_1_Patience_2_Use_the_MRP_Procedure.html
If your post hasn't had a reply after 5 days, see
http://www.castlecops.com/t134063-Unhandled_Logs.html
PA Bear
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
Larry wrote:
> I just checked out a couple of these forums. They're talking about a
> four-five day wait before someone looks at the Hijack This log.
<snip>
real@hotmail.com MEB
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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|
| I registered at Castle Cops forum. Here's the link where I posted my
| question and my HijackThis Log, under the nickname Dunlop. I guess I just
| have to wait now and keep checking back. Any suggestions on what to do
next
| other than wait?
|
|
http://www.castlecops.com/p916098-IE6_extremely_slow_barely_works_at_all.html#916098
|
Hmm, "maybe" potentials :
RUNNING APPS:
C:\UNZIPPED\PCMROBOT\ROBOTYPE.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\WINKEY\WINKEY.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\EFFICIENT NETWORKS\ENTERNET 300\APP\ENTERNET.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\DJST PRODUCTIONS\TEXTURIZER\TEXTURIZER.EXE
C:\PROGRAM FILES\SKYNERGY\HOTKEYZ\HOTKEYZ.EXE
R3 - URLSearchHook: (no name) - _{CFBFAE00-17A6-11D0-99CB-00C04FD64497} -
(no file)
O2 - BHO: MyWebSearch Search Assistant BHO -
{00A6FAF1-072E-44cf-8957-5838F569A31D} - C:\PROGRAM
FILES\MYWEBSEARCH\SRCHASTT\1.BIN\MWSSRCAS.DLL
O2 - BHO: AdShield.AdShield - {7559B76E-0222-4d77-9499-CCE9EB4EDC2F} -
C:\PROGRA~1\ADSHIELD\ADSHIELD\ADSHIELD.DLL
O4 - Startup: library.lnk = C:\Documents\library.rtl
O4 - Startup: WinKey.lnk = C:\Program Files\WinKey\WinKey.exe
O4 - Startup: Now to do.lnk = C:\Documents\To do\To do now.txt
O4 - Startup: HotKeyz.lnk = C:\Program Files\Skynergy\HotKeyz\HotKeyz.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: Add to &Block List... -
C:\PROGRA~1\ADSHIELD\ADSHIELD\suppress.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Maintain Block List... -
C:\PROGRA~1\ADSHIELD\ADSHIELD\maintain.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Format Web Page - C:\Documents\My
system\Web\web_page_format.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Web &Research - C:\Documents\My
system\Web\web_research.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: &E-mail selection - C:\Documents\My
system\Web\E-mail_selection.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: VFR edit entry &open - C:\Documents\My
system\Web\VFR_edit_entry_open.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: &VFR format for e-mail - C:\Documents\My
system\Web\VFR_format.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: AdShield Option Settings... -
C:\PROGRA~1\ADSHIELD\ADSHIELD\settings.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Copy addre&ss - C:\Documents\My
system\Web\Copy_address.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: VFR pa&Ge open from edit page -
C:\Documents\My system\Web\VFR_page_open_from_edit_page.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: VFR e&dit page open from link -
C:\Documents\My system\Web\VFR_edit_entry_open_from_hyperlink.htm
O16 - DPF: {1D4DB7D2-6EC9-47A3-BD87-1E41684E07BB} -
http://imgfarm.com/images/nocache/funwebproducts/SmileyCentralInitialSetup1.0.0.6.cab
O16 - DPF: {27EB254C-C724-43B1-8DD8-F3AC9ED761B2} -
http://client2.tvtonic.com/Webservice/Public/WXStageInstall/2.6/TVTStage1.cab
O16 - DPF: {03F998B2-0E00-11D3-A498-00104B6EB52E} -
https://components.viewpoint.com/MTSInstallers/MetaStream3.cab?url=http://www.viewpoint.com/cgi-bin/beta/vet_install_popup.pl?3&4&04.00.08.43&http://www.viewpoint.com/pub/index.html
O16 - DPF: {4620BC29-8B8E-4F4E-9D92-1DB6633D6793} (SurferNETWORK Plugin) -
http://rd1.surfernetwork.com/surferplugin.ocx
Daave
> You've got a MyWebSearch infection, and possibly a
> NetOptimizer/Shopnav infection, Larry.
For the former, see
"Fun Web Products "My Web Search" Removal Instructions and Help" at
http://www.pchell.com/support/mywebsearch.shtml
I also noticed you have the Google toolbar; older versions of this can
sometimes cause problems.
Finally, since you presumably have an old computer, keep in mind that
you need to run as lean as possible. That may mean ditching add-ons and
cutting out a good number of processes, such as qttask.exe and
realsched.exe. Good sites to learn about what isn't necessary:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm
Hardware-wise,
How large is your hard drive and how much free space do you have?
How much memory do you have?
What kind of CPU do you have, and how fast is it?
Keep in mind that you can post to any number of HJT forums on the Web.
Some are more active than others. I'm sure you'll get plenty of timely
feedback.
Larry
This is insanely complicated.
How many different warnings, requirements, procedures, rules, regulations,
announcements, all posted in different places, must we become expert in,
simply in order for someone to look at the log and tell us what to do to fix
it? Why are things made so incredibly over-complicated???
On top of that, the physical arrangement of these online forums is terribly
confusing. It's not a self-explanatory, logically organized website, where
you can readily see where you need to go and what is where. It's as though
it's deliberately designed to be as confusing as possible.
And now you're telling me you can already see what the nature of my
infection is?
"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Larry
I'd love to cut out qtask, it's always in my close program dialog and I have
no idea how to get rid of it. Also Atitask.
I also have something called Bridge that keeps popping up, and also
something called Undertone that keeps popping up.
I do not have a lot of stuff running on my computer. Just the basics plus
Zone Alarm etc. I do not have Virus ware running all the time.
As for removing My Web Search, it is not in Add/Remove Program, but there
was a My Web Search folder in Program Files, so I deleted that.
I've uninstalled the Google tool bar and deleted the Google folder from
Program files. Will install the more current Google toolbar later, when and
If I get IE working again.
I have a 6 GB hard drive, with just under 1 GB free. I know that's not much.
Memory 288 MB
Computer speed 333 MH.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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PA Bear
machine, Larry.
--
~PA Bear
Larry
Sorry I blew my top, you've always been a great guy and very helpful, but
all the things being added on together here was just too much. I don't
think anything has to be _that_ complicated.
Larry
"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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PA Bear
By gentlemen's agreement, we don't handle HijackThis logs in the public
newsgroups due to a variety of issues (including the log displaying personal
information).
poatt
click "tools" tab select "Repair Internet Explorer" Tick "Repair IE" You
should get a window asking to repair IE. Best to do this with AV program off.
I have had in the past...that IE would be slow when it came close to a
repurchase due date on some program perscription. Just a thought.
Daave
> Daave,
>
> I'd love to cut out qtask, it's always in my close program dialog and
> I have no idea how to get rid of it. Also Atitask.
You really need to visit that Answers That Work Web site I mentioned
earlier. Quick links:
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_q.htm
Scroll down to Qttask. Removal instructions can be found in the right
column. It depends on what version of QuickTime you have. No need to use
this Web site's Ultimate Troubleshooter; basically you need to access
the Quick Time settings and disable the QuickTime System Tray icon
there.
and http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_a.htm
Scroll down to ATICWD32.EXE and ATITASK.EXE. Rather than use Ultimate
Troubleshooter, try disabling in msconfig (Start>Run>msconfig>OK).
Actually, I prefer using Startup Control Panel:
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml
> I also have something called Bridge that keeps popping up, and also
> something called Undertone that keeps popping up.
Pop-unders?
Undertone (Zedo) is easily blocked with either a Hosts file or
SpywareBlaster:
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
"Bridge" is rather vague. Do you maybe mean winfavorites.bridge? If so,
see:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2004-012016-2102-99&tabid=3
> I do not have a lot of stuff running on my computer. Just the basics
> plus Zone Alarm etc. I do not have Virus ware running all the time.
I saw your log; you *are* running lots of stuff! And Zone Alarm uses
lots or resources. You might want to use Outpost instead:
http://www.bluechillies.com/list.html?k=personal+firewall
Scroll to the *older* (free) 1.0.1511 version.
Regarding other processes, do you really always need to run:
Robotype
both Winkey *and* Hotkeyz (the letter "z" always troubles me!)
Adshield (there are far less intrusive ways to block ads)
Texturizer?
> As for removing My Web Search, it is not in Add/Remove Program, but
> there was a My Web Search folder in Program Files, so I deleted that.
Directions to remove My Web Search had already been posted:
http://www.pchell.com/support/mywebsearch.shtml
Sorry, Larry, there's no quick fix for your problems! Either take all
the steps to carefully research and solve your problems (many volunteers
are guiding you, as you know) or pay someone to do it professionally.
> I've uninstalled the Google tool bar and deleted the Google folder
> from Program files. Will install the more current Google toolbar
> later, when and If I get IE working again.
Remember that going without this particular add-on is always an option
(if it improves your performance).
> I have a 6 GB hard drive, with just under 1 GB free. I know that's
> not much.
DING, DING, DING!!!
We have a winner!
You have less than 17% free space. Pretty soon, Windows will be giving
you warning messages. Archive data you seldom use to some other media
(CDR or external hard drive). Uninstall programs you don't use. Shoot
for 3 GB of free space. Seriously.
Also, I recommend Ccleaner:
> Memory 288 MB
Not bad for Windows 98.
> Computer speed 333 MH.
Pretty slow! You can live with it, but then you'll need to be *very*
judicious with your maintenance. Here's a good resource:
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/checklist.doc
Also see:
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/house.html
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html
Good luck, Larry. If it's too overwhelming, seriously pay a tech to fix
it. But personally, I believe your money might be better spent on
backing up your data and purchasing a new(er) system.
Daave
You need to run an up-to-date anti-virus program!
If you're sticking with AVG, upgrade to Version 7.5:
http://free.grisoft.com/softw/70free/setup/avg75free_446a965.exe
PA Bear
IE, so repairing IE wouldn't help in this instance.
Related: Overinstalling IE6 does a much better job at fixing IE (and OE)
issues than an "IE Repair" IMHO.
--
~PA Bear
Jon Kennedy
your TIF, you can use Win98 itself to make sure you're getting everything -
Boot to DOS (Start...Shutdown...Restart in MS-DOS mode)
Go to C:\Windows
type -- smartdrv -- <enter> - gets rid of all that disk thrashing & speeds
things up greatly
type -- deltree history -- <enter and y to verify> - to clear History
type -- deltree tempor~1 -- <enter and y to verify> - to clear TIF
type -- deltree cookies -- <enter and y to verify> - to clear all your
cookies**
Reboot
Do that if cleaning up the already identified malware doesn't do the trick
for you.
**don't do this if you have cookies set for custom web page layouts, etc.
that you want to keep.
--
Jon R. Kennedy MS MVP/IE
Charlotte, NC USA
jken...@carolina.rr.com
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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> 1. I have a utility that quickly and completely empties out the Temporary
> Internet Files folder (much faster than Windows' own utilities do it) and
> I
> use it regularly so I'm sure that's not the cause of the problem.
>
> 2. Since Zone Alarm must be regularly updated (with new lists of invaders
> etc.), how can older versions work?
>
> 3. I've just downloaded and am about to install AVG 7.5.
>
>
Hugh Candlin
"Jon Kennedy" <jken...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message news:uz3%23YeZcH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Sorry to jump in here, but not knowing what utility you are using to empty
> your TIF, you can use Win98 itself to make sure you're getting everything -
>
> Boot to DOS (Start...Shutdown...Restart in MS-DOS mode)
> Go to C:\Windows
> type -- smartdrv -- <enter> - gets rid of all that disk thrashing & speeds
> things up greatly
> type -- deltree history -- <enter and y to verify> - to clear History
> type -- deltree tempor~1 -- <enter and y to verify> - to clear TIF
That may not work.
For example, the temporary files may be in
the C:\Windows\Local Settings folder.
PCR
| Personally, I'd put Avira AntiVir ahead of Avast when it comes to
| free AV apps.
Avast! definitely continues to support Win98, & likely soon I will
switch to it. However, JUST like McAfee (but one still can get McAfee
def updates manually at least, though possibly illegally)-- Avira soon
will abandon us lowly Win98 folk...!...
http://www.free-av.com/
......Quote..........
Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic (download from Avira)
...snip...
Windows 98/Me (It is only supported until 30.06.2007)
Date: 12-12-2006 - Version: 7.00.03.02
......EOQ............
Lipman I believe confirmed that in a communication with them in an
earlier thread.
| --
| ~PA Bear
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> If you're concerned about having the best possible free AV, may I
|> suggest Avast! instead of AVG. Better scores all 'round.
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
Larry
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Daave
> The other day I upgraded to AVG 7.5.
That's good.
How's everything else coming along? Have you been able to make headway?
Larry
with and then took a break over the weekend.
I did get a reply at Castle Cops last week which I've just read now which
advised me to install and run Superanti-spyware and CCLEANER, then send back
the results to the forum along with another HijackThis scan.
I had thought that the HijackThis log would be enough to tell me what to do.
So now I will try these two further anti-spy programs.
Larry
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Larry
a few seconds completely cleans out the Temporary Internet Files folder and
related folders. I just click on the icon and it's done. So that sounds
like what you're talking about, without having to open the Dos prompt and
type all those instructions.
It is amazing to me that the Windows Disk Cleanup utility takes forever to
work and does not even completely clean out the TIF folder, while this free
utility does the job in a a few seconds.
Larry
"Jon Kennedy" <jken...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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Larry
Superantispyware log and a new HijackThis log to the CastleCops forum.
We'll see what happens next.
Larry
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Larry
between one minute and ten minutes to load a webpage.
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Daave
> I forgot to mention that I tested IE again and it's still the same:
> it takes between one minute and ten minutes to load a webpage.
The good news is it looks like you knocked out Avenue Media's Internet
Optimizer and FunWeb's MyWebSearch (although I noticed your last
HijackThis log still contains the ActiveX .cab file for
MyWebSearch--with guidance, I'm sure you can delete that as well as the
Viewpoint entry).
It's likely that AdShield is what is slowing you down. See:
Try uninstalling it. You can either reinstall down the road to see if
your problem is gone completely or use an alternative method to block
ads (a Hosts file, WebWasher, Proxomitron, etc.)
Good luck!
Larry
and other invaders getting into the system that slow the system down, not
one of the invaders itself.
AdShield enables me to block the display of any graphic or photo that I
don't like in IE. For example, websites I visit frequently that have
annoying or offensive ads or graphics, I would add them to the block list.
It's always worked well and never caused any problems I was aware of. I
really like it, though I haven't used it much lately.
Also, what makes you say that AdShield is the problem, since the
overwhelming number of AdShield users do not have this problem apparently?
However, I can always reinstall a new version of it or some program like it,
so, on the chance it's the cause of the problem, I'll uninstall it now.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Daave
> I don't understand. AdShield is one of the programs designed to
> prevent ads and other invaders getting into the system that slow the
> system down, not one of the invaders itself.
>
> AdShield enables me to block the display of any graphic or photo that
> I don't like in IE. For example, websites I visit frequently that
> have annoying or offensive ads or graphics, I would add them to the
> block list. It's always worked well and never caused any problems I
> was aware of. I really like it, though I haven't used it much lately.
>
> Also, what makes you say that AdShield is the problem, since the
> overwhelming number of AdShield users do not have this problem
> apparently?
>
> However, I can always reinstall a new version of it or some program
> like it, so, on the chance it's the cause of the problem, I'll
> uninstall it now.
I offered that as a possibility because of the thread I had mentioned:
Although most people haven't had any problems with AdShield, there have
been a few documented issues relating to dllhost.exe. Although
dllhost.exe is a Windows file, it is also used by AdShield from Version
1.2 onward. In the thread I referenced, you will note that Shane had
issues very similar to yours (presumably with dllhost.exe hogging
resources and Zone Alarm may have even been involved!), which resolved
once he uninstalled 1.2 and reverted to 1.1. Ipipes also had a similar
situation. His problem resolved once he uninstalled 1.2, did some
routine maintenance, and reinstalled 1.2. Then again his issue may have
been due to a corrupt TIF.
Out of curiosity, is your version of AdShield 1.2 *beta*?
Larry
Also, AddShield was unusual in that it didn't have its own "program" or
window. It was integrated into IE. So I don't know how I would have
determined the version number. But I got it at least four years ago.
In any case, since I uninstalled AdShield, and restarted the computer, the
problem is still there. IE still takes between one minute and forever to
load a page.
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Daave
> It's too late to determine the version number since I've uninstalled
> it. Also, AddShield was unusual in that it didn't have its own
> "program" or window. It was integrated into IE. So I don't know how
> I would have determined the version number. But I got it at least
> four years ago.
>
> In any case, since I uninstalled AdShield, and restarted the
> computer, the problem is still there. IE still takes between one
> minute and forever to load a page.
Hmmm...
The usual suspects of what you are experiencing are:
Too many temporary Internet files
Viruses, spyware, etc.
Too many processes running
I believe you covered all these bases. Assuming this is the case and
assuming that other browsers don't exhibit this problem leads me to
think that you may need to repair IE or perhaps roll back to an earlier
version, then reinstalling it. Also, you still have lots of stuff
running you don't need that may be contributing to your problem:
REALSCHED.EXE
ATICWD32.EXE
ROBOTYPE.EXE
WINKEY.EXE
TEXTURIZER.EXE
HOTKEYZ.EXE
Since you have uninstalled AdShield, make sure that DLLHOST.EXE is no
longer running. If it is, that may be your problem.
Also, Adobe Acrobat can cause problems; I noticed you have a Browser
Helper Object:
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} -
C:\PROGRAM FILES\ADOBE\ACROBAT 5.0\READER\ACTIVEX\ACROIEHELPER.OCX
I'd uninstall Acrobat and try Foxit Reader instead.
Zone Alarm *may* be slowing things down. I doubt it would be that
significant, but you never know.
There's always a clean boot (using msconfig):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192926
Is your hard drive still 85% (or so) filled up? That can contribute to
problems, too.
If still no joy after trying all the above, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas.
Maybe the fellow posting at CastleCops will have something constructive
to add. There are other forums, too, you can try.
Like I said earlier, unless you're looking for a time-consuming
challenge, you might be better off getting a newer PC! Or just live with
it and use Opera. Personally, I like K-Meleon as an alternative browser:
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
Good luck either way.
--
Dave
Daave
> It's too late to determine the version number since I've uninstalled
> it. Also, AddShield was unusual in that it didn't have its own
> "program" or window. It was integrated into IE. So I don't know how
> I would have determined the version number. But I got it at least
> four years ago.
>
> In any case, since I uninstalled AdShield, and restarted the
> computer, the problem is still there. IE still takes between one
> minute and forever to load a page.
Hey, Larry, any luck? Just curious. I still think that a clean boot will
yield useful information.
(I also noticed that magictouch hasn't come up with any responses over
at CastleCops. There are lots of other forums for HijackThis logs you
may want to consider...)
Larry
> > (I also noticed that magictouch hasn't come up with any responses over
> at CastleCops. There are lots of other forums for HijackThis logs you
> may want to consider...)
I kind of gave up on on CastleCops, there were no replies there for a week
or two. So I'm ready to try some other HijackThis sites if you want to
recommend any. Thanks.
Also, a strange development: The last two days I've had to use a dial-up
connection between I had a DSL program. With a dial-up connectoin, my
Internet Explorer works almost normally, even completely normally at times.
Does this tell us anything important about what's wrong with IE?
Larry
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
With dialup IE won't be using a proxy, whereas your DSL connection may
require a proxy.
--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't expect an answer to email.
real@hotmail.com MEB
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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|
| > > (I also noticed that magictouch hasn't come up with any responses
over
| > at CastleCops. There are lots of other forums for HijackThis logs you
| > may want to consider...)
|
| I kind of gave up on on CastleCops, there were no replies there for a week
| or two. So I'm ready to try some other HijackThis sites if you want to
| recommend any. Thanks.
|
| Also, a strange development: The last two days I've had to use a dial-up
| connection between I had a DSL program. With a dial-up connectoin, my
| Internet Explorer works almost normally, even completely normally at
times.
| Does this tell us anything important about what's wrong with IE?
|
| Larry
|
I counted some 123 or so potential tracking cookies installed in your
system, and a good portion of the other which I pointed out, still there.
The question is:
What exactly have you done to correct your hijacks so far... Did you run
SpyBot Search and Destroy, AdAware, or anything other than that one program?
Did you have ANY protection running like SpywareBlaster, a firewall,
anti-virus?
Do you use something like bit torrent or other file sharing P2P?
A big hint: when people are willing to help you for free, never complain if
they want you to run something else, or do further diagnostics... makes them
less likely to help.
--
MEB
_______________
Daave
Good catch, Frank.
Larry, note your connection settings for *both* dial-up and DSL:
In Internet Explorer,
Tools | Internet Options | Connections tab
If you're running a proxy for dial-up (unlikely), this is where you
would find that info.
For DSL proxy info, click on the LAN Settings button.
If your issue is proxy-related, I would imagine the solution is to
either contact your ISP regarding settings or determining if you
(knowingly or not) are running a proxy program. You mentioned elsewhere
that Opera is not affected; I would note the connection settings for
that browser and compare them to IE's. Are you still running AdShield? I
believe it's a BHO (browser helper object), and it may or may not be a
factor.
And I never noticed if you answered my question about trying a clean
boot. Clean booting is an excellent troubleshooting technique.
Daave
>> > (I also noticed that magictouch hasn't come up with any responses
>> over at CastleCops. There are lots of other forums for HijackThis
>> logs you may want to consider...)
>
> I kind of gave up on on CastleCops, there were no replies there for a
> week or two. So I'm ready to try some other HijackThis sites if you
> want to recommend any. Thanks.
Here's a good list:
From this big list you may want to try any one (or more) of these:
SpywareInfo
DSLReports
TomCoyote Forums
GeeksToGo
But before you do, try the clean boot. Also check the proxy settings!
Daave
> Are you still running AdShield? I believe it's a BHO (browser helper
> object), and it may or may not be a factor.
I just remembered you said you had uninstalled AdShield. But I don't
recall your answering my question about the associated dllhost.exe file.
If it's still running, that could be slowing you down.
PA Bear
plans on replying to your thread. If not, I'll pick it up.
You never replied to my 27 March post in this newsgroup thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/ec81831288c99b33
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org
Larry
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franks...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Larry
> between I had a DSL program
Oh boy talk about typos. I mean to write: "because I had a DSL problem."
There a lot more information here tonight. I'll look at it all tomorrow
when I'm fresh. Thanks all for all the new input.
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
> Could you explain this? Also, does it offer any clues for how to fix my
> IE?
While on your DSL connection go to
Tools | Internet Options | Connections | LAN Settings
Click the Use a proxy box to change whether or not it's checked. Try it
both ways.
Larry
things I'm told I must do would take me an entire day of concentrated work,
and I haven't had time to get to this yet. I'll try to, soon.
Meanwhile, I'm still using Opera in place of IE, which is better in some
ways, and terrible in others. Same with Firefox, good in some ways, not in
others.
A major problem with Opera and Firefox for blogging is that they can't
display special characters like curly quotes and em dashes: they turn them
into that horrible multi-character code, like this: “. It blows my mind
that a popular browser could not handle normal characters, but so it goes.
In fact, I have to be careful not to open and make changes in Opera an older
blog entry that was created in IE -- it will render the entry unreadable by
converting the quotes and em dashes to that horrible code.
Weird.
"Larry" <larry32...@att.net> wrote in message
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Larry
hyperlinks. If you select and copy text in Opera that contains formatted
text and hyperlinks, and then paste it in another application, it comes out
as unformatted plain text.
PA Bear
--
~PA Bear
Larry
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