Use trumpet winsock for _Intranet_ connection?
Markus R.
I am running a home office network using two wfw3.11 boxes and several
Linux machines.
Interconnecting the Linux servers and workstations is somehow trivial,
but not so with the windows ones.
For dial up connecting to the internet I use Trumpet Winsock, which runs
just fine, except that Trumpet refuses to provide the way out as well as
routing within the local network at the same time.
That means, as soon as there's a connection to the internet set up,
Trumpet expects every IP packet to be routed outside.
Is there a way to configure Trumpet to run Internet and Intranet in
parallel?
Best regards,
Markus
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John Dulak
> Hi there!
>
> I am running a home office network using two wfw3.11 boxes and several
> Linux machines.
>
> Interconnecting the Linux servers and workstations is somehow trivial,
> but not so with the windows ones.
> For dial up connecting to the internet I use Trumpet Winsock, which runs
> just fine, except that Trumpet refuses to provide the way out as well as
> routing within the local network at the same time.
>
> That means, as soon as there's a connection to the internet set up,
> Trumpet expects every IP packet to be routed outside.
>
> Is there a way to configure Trumpet to run Internet and Intranet in
> parallel?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Markus
>
Markus;
Been a Looooong time since I've networked 3.11. Would it be possible
to assign a second IP address to the NIC? I know you can do this in
some newer versions of Windows. Since old NICs are virtually free
these days perhaps you could install TWO in the wfwg box and use one
for internet trafic and the other for LAN traffic.
FWIW I found this site that mmight be useful:
http://www.yale.edu/pclt/WINWORLD/TRUMPWSK.HTM
HTH & GL
John
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teebo
> I am running a home office network using two wfw3.11 boxes and several
> Linux machines.
> For dial up connecting to the internet I use Trumpet Winsock, which runs
> just fine, except that Trumpet refuses to provide the way out as well as
> routing within the local network at the same time.
>
> That means, as soon as there's a connection to the internet set up,
> Trumpet expects every IP packet to be routed outside.
>
> Is there a way to configure Trumpet to run Internet and Intranet in
> parallel?
I thought Trumpet Winsock was only used when you used old modems?
when you connect windows-for-workgroups3.11 computers to a network
shouldn't you just use a normal TCP/IP stack instead with
Microsoft TCP/IP-32 3.11b ?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/99891 have a downloadlink to tcp32b.exe
and the other google searchresults for "Microsoft TCP/IP-32 3.11b"
should probably be interesting too.
assuming you allready have installed drivers for you network card,
extract the files in tcp32b.exe somewhere and add the TCP/IP protocol from
Network Setup/Drivers by first selecting "Unlisted or Updated Protocol"
and browser for where you extracted the files.
In settings for it afterwards you should probably select
"Automatic DHCP Configuration" as usual so it gets ip-number and everything
from your router. Perhaps you must enter hostname and dns-servers manually
Markus R.
>> I am running a home office network using two wfw3.11 boxes and several
>> Linux machines.
>>
>> Interconnecting the Linux servers and workstations is somehow trivial,
>> but not so with the windows ones.
>> For dial up connecting to the internet I use Trumpet Winsock, which
>> runs just fine, except that Trumpet refuses to provide the way out as
>> well as routing within the local network at the same time.
>>
>> That means, as soon as there's a connection to the internet set up,
>> Trumpet expects every IP packet to be routed outside.
>>
>> Is there a way to configure Trumpet to run Internet and Intranet in
>> parallel?
> Been a Looooong time since I've networked 3.11. Would it be possible to
> assign a second IP address to the NIC?
that's, what I had been looking for: Setting up _two_ IPs and use Trumpet
as a "router" between these two networks.
Well, but there's only one IP field, though the site you mention:
> I know you can do this in some
> newer versions of Windows. Since old NICs are virtually free these days
> perhaps you could install TWO in the wfwg box and use one for internet
> trafic and the other for LAN traffic.
>
> FWIW I found this site that mmight be useful:
> http://www.yale.edu/pclt/WINWORLD/TRUMPWSK.HTM
says that one could set up the static IP in this field and so Trumpet
will allow routing IP packets within the local network.
Maybe this works in theory, but I haven't found out how this works in
real life - maybe there's something else misconfigured on this machine.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your hint - if you find more resources like
that, then please let me know.
B.t.w., when using a network printing server for the LAN then both
networks have to work: Trumpet for connecting to the internet, as well as
the local network for printing the pages loaded into the browser.
That's one of the reasons for asking this.
Markus R.
>> I am running a home office network using two wfw3.11 boxes and several
>> Linux machines.
>
>> For dial up connecting to the internet I use Trumpet Winsock, which
>> runs just fine, except that Trumpet refuses to provide the way out as
>> well as routing within the local network at the same time.
>>
>> That means, as soon as there's a connection to the internet set up,
>> Trumpet expects every IP packet to be routed outside.
>>
>> Is there a way to configure Trumpet to run Internet and Intranet in
>> parallel?
> I thought Trumpet Winsock was only used when you used old modems? when
Yes, that's correct. I do have an oldfashoned USRobotics 56k modem for
connecting this machine to the internet :-)
> you connect windows-for-workgroups3.11 computers to a network shouldn't
> you just use a normal TCP/IP stack instead with Microsoft TCP/IP-32
> 3.11b ?
That's the second source and I've already installed that. I have both in
parallel.
This works as long as you copy the microsoft winsock.dll into the windows
directory and so you can access any machine within the local network.
On the other side, if you want to access the internet then you have to
close down every TCP/IP connection to the LAN and then you start Trumpet,
which initializes its own winsock.dll. After that resources on the
internet can be accessed, _BUT_:
During this time the _local_ network is unavailable to this machine. That
was the reason for asking:
I need both networks at the same time.
teebo
>>> Linux machines.
>> I thought Trumpet Winsock was only used when you used old modems? when
>
> Yes, that's correct. I do have an oldfashoned USRobotics 56k modem for
> connecting this machine to the internet :-)
oh... I didn't thought of that. my mind is automaticly thinking
ADSL-modems or such coupled to the router when we are talking about
home networks :-)
isn't 56Kbit/s telephone modem kind of.... slow.... with todays
overbloated webpages btw?
> That's the second source and I've already installed that. I have both in
> parallel.
aha. I guess your computer have two ip-adresses then,
one from the 56K modem, and one from the network card.
I'm not sure win3.11wfw is really made for that...
but it can have multiple different protcols running
(back then when anyone actually used anything else than tcp/ip)
so I guess it is possible. but do win3x have that kind of
routing in it?
If you can't get it to work and the home network use is
only for printing and file sharing, I suppose you could
use IPX instead (not TCP/IP) at your home network.
You have to find IPX-drivers for you linux boxes though,
I bet the linux-gurus will think you're nuts if you ask them :-D
But it would have worked if your other computer had win98 hehehe
If all else fail, I guess you could move the modem (wich is you
only way out to the internet I guess?) to one of you linux-computers
and let it work as a router for you. That is, your win3.11-computers
have only a network card, no modem, an they reach internet trough
one of the linux machines (that have to be turned on while you
want to use internet at the win3-computer though)
Are there any special reason that is only one of your win3-boxes
that have internet now?
Markus R.
>>>> I am running a home office network using two wfw3.11 boxes and
>>>> several Linux machines.
>
>>> I thought Trumpet Winsock was only used when you used old modems? when
>>
>> Yes, that's correct. I do have an oldfashoned USRobotics 56k modem for
>> connecting this machine to the internet :-)
>
> oh... I didn't thought of that. my mind is automaticly thinking
> ADSL-modems or such coupled to the router when we are talking about home
> networks :-)
> isn't 56Kbit/s telephone modem kind of.... slow.... with todays
> overbloated webpages btw?
>
>> That's the second source and I've already installed that. I have both
>> in parallel.
>
> aha. I guess your computer have two ip-adresses then, one from the 56K
> modem, and one from the network card.
I'd be glad, if this worked...
Unfortunately I see no way to set up Trumpet like this.
> I'm not sure win3.11wfw is really
> made for that... but it can have multiple different protcols running
> (back then when anyone actually used anything else than tcp/ip) so I
> guess it is possible. but do win3x have that kind of routing in it?
Well, for the local network up to now I use TCP32, as you mentioned,
also. This one seems to be incompatible with Trumpet, i.e. Trumpet's
winsock.dll does not co-work with the one from Microsoft.
So, the only chance to get this kind of "routing" would be to get Trumpet
do this job. The drawback seems to be that none of the descriptions how
to do this, really apply.
> If you can't get it to work and the home network use is only for
> printing and file sharing, I suppose you could use IPX instead (not
> TCP/IP) at your home network. You have to find IPX-drivers for you linux
> boxes though, I bet the linux-gurus will think you're nuts if you ask
> them :-D But it would have worked if your other computer had win98
> hehehe
>
> If all else fail, I guess you could move the modem (wich is you only way
> out to the internet I guess?) to one of you linux-computers and let it
> work as a router for you.
Great idea :-) Yes, sure this will work when setting up IP forwarding.
> That is, your win3.11-computers have only a
> network card, no modem, an they reach internet trough one of the linux
> machines (that have to be turned on while you want to use internet at
That's the reason why I'm looking for an alternate solution - this seems
to me to be not optimal enough ;-)
> the win3-computer though) Are there any special reason that is only one
> of your win3-boxes that have internet now?
Well, every windows box has it's own modem (lol...). They cannot access
the net over the same line at the same time, of course, but I don't have
to plug in and out every time.
But I still remember the sheet mentioned by John - it sounds like it
would be possible to set up the connections in the way I planned to.
I just don't know why it doesn't work here...
Happy Oyster
>> I thought Trumpet Winsock was only used when you used old modems? when
>
>Yes, that's correct. I do have an oldfashoned USRobotics 56k modem for
>connecting this machine to the internet :-)
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Markus R.
> On 10 Jun 2009 21:30:01 GMT, "Markus R." Keßler <dimk...@uni.de>
> wrote:
>
>>> I thought Trumpet Winsock was only used when you used old modems? when
>>
>>Yes, that's correct. I do have an oldfashoned USRobotics 56k modem for
>>connecting this machine to the internet :-)
>
> Hi, brother! ;O)
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Happy Oyster
>Am Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:42:33 +0100 schrieb Happy Oyster:
[...]
>B.t.w., your "name" seems to be known to me. Did you formerly post to
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