Is there any MSDN which can be download free

[SeedNet]

Hi all,

Is there any MSDN which can be download free ?

[David Lowndes]

>Is there any MSDN which can be download free ?

You can download the Platform SDK, and you can access/search MSDN
online (http://msdn.microsoft.com/), but I don't believe there's a
means of downloading MSDN itself.

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[Paul Chitescu]

SeedNet wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there any MSDN which can be download free ?

No - Microsoft _sells_ it so how do you think they will offer for free ?

Some part of MSDN can be accessed online by anyone, a little more by
registered users (no payment). But for the same access level as the
version on CD you have to pay, while for full access you have to pay even
more.

OTOH even the CD version of MSDN doesn't include everything offline,
sometimes it has to connect to Internet to access some resources.

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[Avex]

Hi ,

Thanks for the helps of Lowndes and Chitescu .
I am very appreciated! Thanks!

"Paul Chitescu" <pchi...@pchitescu.myIP.org> wrote
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[Jeff Henkels]

You're referring to the MSDN library, which is only a small part of the
MSDN Professional/Universal subscription.

Note that the entire MSDN library is available on the web at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp; it requires registration.

Also, the Platform SDK, which includes help files, is available as a free
download from Microsoft.

"tq96" <tq...@tq96.com> wrote in message
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> >> Is there any MSDN which can be download free ?
> >
> >No - Microsoft _sells_ it so how do you think they will offer for free ?
>

> Because, as I understand it, MSDN can only be purchased as a subcription
at
> corporate level prices and because the version of MSDN that ships with
Visual
> C++ 6 is ancient (it is only 2 CDs whereas current versions of MSDN are at
> least 3 CDs). How does Microsoft expect students or casual programmers to
> program for Windows when the documentation they receive is so ancient?

[Mike C]

yes. the CD set is download free. you don't have to download it :-)
SeedNet <a...@b.c.d> wrote in message news:95l2o3$5fd$1...@news.seed.net.tw...

[Jimbo]

MS don't care. they are, pardon my anglo-saxon, cunts. this should be the OS
programmer's first rule of thumb.

fortunately i have access to the full MSDN, otherwise i would be writing
here with considerably more vitriol. the sooner everyone switches to open
source the better..

tq96 wrote in message <3a846291$0$3538$45be...@newscene.com>...

>>> Is there any MSDN which can be download free ?
>>
>>No - Microsoft _sells_ it so how do you think they will offer for free ?
>

[Paul Chitescu]

Jimbo wrote:
>
> MS don't care. they are, pardon my anglo-saxon, cunts. this should be the OS
> programmer's first rule of thumb.
>
> fortunately i have access to the full MSDN, otherwise i would be writing
> here with considerably more vitriol. the sooner everyone switches to open
> source the better..

Someone found local source of pirated copies of MSDN Library at $5 ;-)

Pretty good considering that 3 blank CD-R disks cost $2.

[Jimbo]

yeah, pretty good, unless you can "borrow" it from someone. either way it
stops total MS tyranny.

Paul Chitescu wrote in message <3AD435...@pchitescu.myIP.org>...

[Mike Pumford]

In article <3ad4...@news.compd.com>, Jimbo <@> wrote:
>tq96 wrote in message <3a846291$0$3538$45be...@newscene.com>...
>>>> Is there any MSDN which can be download free ?
>>>
>>>No - Microsoft _sells_ it so how do you think they will offer for free ?
>>
>>Because, as I understand it, MSDN can only be purchased as a subcription at
>>corporate level prices and because the version of MSDN that ships with
>Visual
>>C++ 6 is ancient (it is only 2 CDs whereas current versions of MSDN are at
>>least 3 CDs). How does Microsoft expect students or casual programmers to
>>program for Windows when the documentation they receive is so ancient?
>

Perhaps they expect them to use:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library

which is a fully up to date copy of the MSDN available on the web. It
works at reasonable speed even with a modem connection. The only problem
is if you need a high level of access and have per minute connection
charges.

The library provided with VC++ 6 is more than adequate to lear how
to program the Windows environment and 99% of the time you won't really
need to have the most shiny and up to date version anyway.

Mike

[Michael (michka) Kaplan]

As if their MSDN policies have anything to do with tyranny?

I guess that you as a software developer never plan to charge any money for
your development efforts?

Its probably better to criticize things that deserve criticism. If you
really hate Mirosoft so much, then simply do not USE THEIR PRODUCTS at all.
Just hanging around, making money off using their products and calling them
nasty names on their own servers makes you look fairly foolish -- and also
fairly rude.

--
MichKa

the only book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

"Jimbo" <@> wrote in message news:3ad4...@news.compd.com...

[Jimbo]

don't get so specific.. look, don't tell me you've never had a MS product
cause you a unique amount of stress (in that special way that only software
can) because you will either be a liar or an unswayably pious toady, either
of which is contemptible.

i make money purely from the time i spend working, whether it be with MS
products or otherwise (a mixture of both, actually). i never charge for the
software i create, and everything i produce is open source.

i'd never say that MS products are totally useless, because i use them
regularly (often with a degree of success). and i'm sure the mighty
corporation can take a little criticism and opinion from someone like me,
who has endured years of torment from having to (yes HAVING TO) use their
bloody-minded OSs and then deal with their help-desks.

i hope you're not as blindly obseqious IRL as you appear in message form.

Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote in message ...

[Tim Robinson]

"Jimbo" <@> wrote in message news:3ad4...@news.compd.com...

> don't get so specific.. look, don't tell me you've never had a MS product
> cause you a unique amount of stress (in that special way that only
software
> can) because you will either be a liar or an unswayably pious toady,
either
> of which is contemptible.

Most Microsoft software causes me some stress, but Linux programs cause me
*considerably* more stress. The only perfect program (perfect for me, that
is) would be one I wrote myself.

[Jimbo]

never a truer word spoken..

[Franek]

There are three different MSDNs. The one that comes with the compiler is a so-called MSDN
"Library", which is to say it's docs and nothing binary. It's not outdated to such a
degree as to be unusable--the major portion of the API doesn't change that fast. In fact,
I recently found myself locked out of my usual base and had to use the ancient '96 MSDN --
and what do you think? it was just fine.

The very same ISDN is available FOR FREE off of the MS website. Also are available FOR
FREE the SDKs and DDKs. What's not available for free is the Professional (formerly,
"level II") MSDN that has all the docs and S(D)DKs + a pile of operating systems, release-
and debug-built. Neat stuff, but unfortunately they bumped up the price for that product
at about the same time they put the Library on the net for free.

That last version is a lump of everything they have which is everything above plus all
development tools and, I think, some of the "backoffice" products. It cost a bundle, but
if you need most of it (which is rarely <g>) it's still a good deal. Corporations buy it
because what's a bundle for you is peanuts for them. Make your employer buy it, if you
need it. Otherwise, I think the mid-level package is good for a "Windows professional"
<g>--you get all the OSs and development kits can play with them, though the compiler
you'll have to get separately.

Jimbo wrote:
>
> MS don't care. they are, pardon my anglo-saxon, cunts.

I do agree with that, but it's not because they don't make the docs available <g>. It's
because a lot of their stuff is crap, unfortunately. But so is everything else, so what is
a guy to do? Make the best of what you've got.

[Franek]

I was in NYC a while ago, and was offered -- in the broad daylight right on the street --
a CD for $50 with probably $20,000 worth of graphics design software <g>. I felt like I
should've bought it, just to spite freaken Adobe with their $800 photoshop. I suspect that
vendors may not be very much against piriating, and maybe they even get some kickbacks for
sellign stuff that way. Why, it's still money, and clearly by looking the other way they
capture the market that otherwise would be lost for them. 'course they can't admit doing
that, coz then those who paid $800 for freaken Photoshop would feel ripped off and raise
stink. I think people shouldn't feel bad about buying pirated software (as long as it
works ofcourse), at least for non-commercial use. Most s/w vendors are money grubbing
shits anyway: look, Adobe and macromedia fart out phoney-ass "upgrades" like every other
month. Are those really significant improvements, or just things good for cash flow. And
if you think that's the programmers who get the money your wrong again its the suits.
Rip'em off.

[Franek]

Tim Robinson wrote:
>
> Most Microsoft software causes me some stress, but Linux programs cause me
> *considerably* more stress. The only perfect program (perfect for me, that
> is) would be one I wrote myself.

Yup. MSDN is not a bad deal actually. Who else used to give you that much stuff? I
remember working with SCO unix, wow, man, they'd rip you off like no Microsoft. And what
would you get? Unreadable crap even much worse than MSDN.