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Allan Martin

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Feb 3, 2002, 3:47:41 PM2/3/02
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Hi,


I have just bought a new computer and wanted to put Windows 98 SE and
Windows 2000 dual boot on it.

I have:

1. Created 2 partitions.
2. Formatted one (C:) and installed Windows 98. All went well.
3. I now put the 2000 CD in and try and install it.
4. I select new installation e.t.c. The setup does some stuff then resets my
computer.
5. When it reboots I'm given a menu 'Setup 2000.....' Which I select.
6. I'm then asked which drive I want to install to:

Here is where I've tried it all.

(with no formatted partition)
7. I select the unformatted drive. I select NTFS format. Setup after a while
say's that
setup cannot install as the disk is damaged. This is the same if i select
FAT32.

(with a formatted partition)
7. The same thing happens. It goes away and takes ages to format and comes
back saying the
disk is corrupt or damaged.

(with no partition created)
7. Again, the same but I'm told to create a partition. The same error
message comes back.


I know what you're thinking.... maybe the disk is damaged.
It's brand new, and I've honestly now tried 3 different disks. All brand
new. There is 40 GB on the disk.

I'm getting really annoyed and I can't see what I'm doing wrong.

Any help or advice would be great.


w9gb

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Feb 3, 2002, 4:11:53 PM2/3/02
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Allan -

When you set-up your Windows 98, did you go ahead and partition the second
drive (likely FAT32) and format for usage. ???

If you did NOT, you may wish to take this approach and then restart the
Windows 2000 installation on that drive *(after it has already been
partitioned)

I am assuming that second drive is properly jumpered (slave) on the IDE
controller card, etc.

IF, it is on another controller card - then that can be another issue to
deal with.

Greg

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jbarber

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Feb 3, 2002, 10:26:02 PM2/3/02
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When you select format ntfs, I hope you first deleted the partition and
recreated it using the same spot in the installation. This should work as it
sounds like either your partition is not correct or the disk is not right
(not set master/slave properly). I find this all works better if you create
the 4 disks and use them to install it. Use makeboot on the cd.

Jim

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Wolf Kirchmeir

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Feb 3, 2002, 10:29:07 PM2/3/02
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:11:53 -0600, w9gb wrote:

>Allan -
>
>When you set-up your Windows 98, did you go ahead and partition the second
>drive (likely FAT32) and format for usage. ???
>
>If you did NOT, you may wish to take this approach and then restart the
>Windows 2000 installation on that drive *(after it has already been
>partitioned)
>
>I am assuming that second drive is properly jumpered (slave) on the IDE
>controller card, etc.

Allan is using _one_ drive with _two_ partitions. A partition appears as a
drive to the OS. (Technically, the first drive is device zero, and the first
partition on it is C:. The second drive is drive 1, and the first partition
on it can be anything, depending on how many and what types of partitions
have been set up.)

Question: does W2K suffer from the 1024 cylinder limit? If so, then the Win98
partition must be made small enough so that the W2K partition starts below
the 1024 cylinder limit. It's safest to make the two system partitions small
enough that both are within the 1024 cylinder limits (ie, C: + D: < 1024
cylinders.) This entails at least one other partition.

As a general rule, you should have two or more partitions for each OS: one
for the system, one for the applications (programs), and one or more for the
data. A common partition for the data is a good idea, but has pitfalls, eg,
Win98 can't deal with NTFS, so it would have to be FAT32. On a large drive
(and what drive isn't these days? You should als0o have a backup partition
for each OS: once the OS is installed and configured to your satisfaction,
back it up. Then when (not if) it crashes, restore it from the back up.

HTH

Best Wishes,

Wolf Kirchmeir
Blind River, Ontario

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Dave Patrick

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Feb 3, 2002, 11:54:00 PM2/3/02
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Inline reply;

"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote:
"Question: does W2K suffer from the 1024 cylinder limit? If so, then the Win98 partition must be
made small enough so that the W2K partition starts below the 1024 cylinder limit. It's safest to
make the two system partitions small enough that both are within the 1024 cylinder limits (ie, C: +
D: < 1024 cylinders.) This entails at least one other partition."

* Incorrect! No reason to do this. The boot sector for both OS's will reside on the system partition
(first primary active partition) It's best to install OS's on separate partitions. In this case
either OS can reside on the system partition (usually Win98) Windows 2000 can then be installed on
another partition not limited in size.

Microsoft defines the boot partition as the partition where the operating system is installed, while
the system partition is the first primary active partition. Depending on your drive's geometry and
or your controller bios you may be limited to a 7.8 gB system partition. The boot partition is not
limited in size. See if this article helps.

Setup Does Not Check for INT-13 Extensions Before Creating System Partition (Q240672)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q240672
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R. C. White

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Feb 4, 2002, 12:41:42 PM2/4/02
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Hi, Allan.

Do you have a Win2K driver for your HD controller? Many drives have been
introduced since the Win2K CD-ROM was produced two years ago. Their Win2K
drivers should either come on a floppy with the drive, or be downloadable
from the drive manufacturer. Put the floppy with the drivers into your
machine, then boot from the Win2K CD-ROM. When invited, early in Setup,
press F6 and wait while it loads lots of files. When it stops, the screen
should instruct you how to use the floppy to install the drivers. (Don't
lose the floppy; if you need to repair or reinstall Win2K, you'll need it
again.)

Since you can partition and format the drive just fine from DOS or Win98
using the old drivers, the problem does not show up until Setup switches to
Win2K and then tries to access the drive from there.

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
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Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

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Feb 5, 2002, 4:35:29 PM2/5/02
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DP> Microsoft defines the boot partition as the partition where the operating
DP> system is installed, while the system partition is the first primary active
DP> partition.

In other words: The partition that the machine's firmware boots is
called the "system" partition, whereas the partition containing the
operating system is called the "boot" partition.

The easiest way to remember this, I have found, is to remember that
Microsoft's definitions are exactly the reverse of what would have been
sensible.

Al Dunbar

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Feb 5, 2002, 9:21:36 PM2/5/02
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Ahh, then that explains why they are always expounding on the merits of
something called "innovation" :-)

/Al

Dave Patrick

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Feb 5, 2002, 10:58:25 PM2/5/02
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Then there's
%systemdrive%
which refers to the drive where the operating system is installed.

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Microsoft MVP [Windows NT/ 2000]

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