XP Team suggestion Backup using CD not Tape
Tom Dake
drive for backup. Most computers today have CD-R/RW drives. I would
suggest that backup to CD be an option also. If anyone remembers the
mangled, broken, de-spooled and incompatible tapes, CD are a huge
improvement.
Jim Eshelman
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Except, of course, that there is no way in hell to backup even a scrawny 1
GB drive to a CD!
To me, backup means "total system backup." Every last file. I know this is a
rare thing these days, but I keep mentioning it every now and then with the
hope of the return of some sanity!<g>
I know, though, that a lot of people use CD's for selective backup.
Certainly an option sounds like a good idea.
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Maarten W.G. Andriessen
Most people that want to do a system-backup or even just a data-backup have
more to backup then a CD ever could hold. Just try to press 1 Gb of data on
a CD, and you will that even with compression you will have a problem.
Further more, a good DDS3 or DDS4 drive is ver trustworthy, and can backup
up to 20 Gbyte uncompressed, and more then that using compression
techniques, up to 40 Gbyte (make that 30, cuz the 1:2 ratio is almost never
done).
With the sizes of todays harddrives, and the amount of data people starting
to collect in scanned foto's, databases, e-mail (my e-mail box, and my
wife's e-mail box combined accumulate over 400 Mb, let alone if you have an
e-mail-frenzy family) and just a whole bunch of documents, CD's are simply
not sufficient anymore...
I have a CD/RW drive, and I already have to use THREE CD/RW discs to backup
all my data that i would not want to lose in a system crash. I think in the
Mulitple-GigaBytes-World that we are living in even a DVD-RAM might be
getting close the the edge of space restrictions for a backup..... and i do
not even own a large business, could you imagene what amounts of data could
be produced there?? I would hate to be the sysadmin, changing CD's every 700
Mb... hehehe....
Maarten
Ron Lowe
I'd agree with previous posters that backing up to a good DAT or DLT drive
is really the only way to create a removeable backup.
As an alternative, look how cheap HDDs are now.
Next time you upgrade, why not use an old HDD as an online archive?
I use an old PC on the network with an external SCSI-box loaded with old 2-
and 4- GB drives, and backup across the network. That's been fast and
reliable for me.
Ron
"Tom Dake" <tomd...@telocity.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 May 2001 16:42:41 -0700, "Jim Eshelman" <j...@mvps.org>
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Jim Eshelman
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> You can span CD's. At least with Nero you can.
Yes -- but then you're back to where we used to be with backing up to
floppies. You have to sit there and keep swapping them out. That can take
quite a long time.
Instead, I set about 20 GB to compress and backup, then go to bed -- and
turn off the program in the morning! That's my standard for adequate backup.
(And, actually, if I'd be just half an hour or so patient before going to
bed, I wouldn't have to wait until morning -- since the backup to a second
hard drive is *really* fast.)
Larry
spool :)
I simply couldn't take that pleasure away from him.
Now, the Golden Retrievers and my CD (aka Frisbee) library, that's a
different story and I need to have a talk with them :)
-Larry
"Tom Dake" <tomd...@telocity.com> wrote in message
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Larry
I think we are all pretty much living with multiple-media backups these
days. I have 150GB of drive space. It's a fact of life these days :)
-Larry
"Jim Eshelman" <j...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Larry
technology!
:)
-Larry
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Techie2000
Jim Eshelman
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> 1.44mb floppy vs. 650mb CD. Hmmm... I'm so devistated. Where's the
> technology!
>
> :)
What I was implying, Larry, is that it would take me 20 650 MB CDs to do a
total system backup, which therefore reminds me of the era (on a much tinier
hard drive, of course!) when it took 20 or more 1.44 MB diskettes to do a
backup. Either way, one is still sitting there swapping until the job is
done, and the time required is considerable. A backup system that encourages
people to backup at the frequency they really should would allow a full
system backup to be started (which takes a few minutes), let run (say,
overnight), and then closed out when done. That, in fact, is how I do it,
and swapping through burning 20 CDs just isn't the way to go about it IMHO,
if one has an alternative.
--
Jim Eshelman - MS-MVP (DTS)
Larry
-Larry
"Techie2000" <techi...@mochamail.com> wrote in message
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Larry
Let me put it another way :)
20 CD's cost $6.00. $8.00 for REALLY good one's.
How much does one tape cost that will hold that much? Actually, to back up
something that large, you would need one of the more esoteric type tapes,
and they are REALLY expensive!
Not to mention that your mad sister with the magnet can't hurt your CD's,
but could ruin your whole day if you had tape :)
I look at it this way. I can back up 20GB of stuff for about $6, and
generally have it forever. Not a bad deal IMHO.
-Larry
"Jim Eshelman" <j...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Jim Eshelman
> Jim,
>
> Let me put it another way :)
>
> 20 CD's cost $6.00. $8.00 for REALLY good one's.
>
> How much does one tape cost that will hold that much? Actually, to back
up
> something that large, you would need one of the more esoteric type tapes,
> and they are REALLY expensive!
Yes. But I use the same few tapes for many years.
At the moment, though -- because of both size and speed issues -- I'm doing
direct backup to another hard drive.
Tom Dake
drive can be zapped in a heart beat. Also if it is just a close strike the
loud crack might startle you enough to drop that hard drive. I have a box
of old tape drives and tapes of varying size. Every time you buy a bigger
drive you obsolete the tape drive. So you are back to swapping tapes or buy
a new tape drive. If your current tape drive goes bad, the new one might
not reliable read the tape. I have plenty of experience with that. My
point was to add CD's as an option on backup. It's currently not.
Tom
"Larry" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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Larry
-Larry
"Jim Eshelman" <j...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Jim Eshelman
> The cost still works out in favor of CDR :)
Not when the cost of a new, quality hard drive is, in fact, *less* than the
cost of a new, quality CDR -- and holds, say, 30 times as much!
George Simos
A) You can't get the open files that the operating system is using with the
backup utility of xp (i 've tried that in win2k and it sucks)
B) If you want a decent backup follow this procedure :
1) Get a backup of all your work files and folders only not programms just
files and folders such as word docs, excel files and others on a cd or at
another hard drive (this is the fastest one)
2) Freshly install your system and your operating systems
3) Configure anything such as devices and install all the software you need
4) Be carefull that your hard drive image fits on a cd or 2 cd's
5)Take an image of the hard drive with a popular imager (ghost, drive image
e.t.c)
6) Store your cd's somewere (away from children or anything harmful).
7) Make a backup of your working files (full, not differential or anything
else)
Now you can sleep easy and be sure that you have the chance to restore your
system in a snap in case of emergency.
George Simos
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Larry
:)
-Larry
"Jim Eshelman" <j...@mvps.org> wrote in message
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Larry
Use DriveImage 4, which burns directly to CD from DOS Boot Disks, and copy
the entire partition to CDR's.
DI4 automatically segments as necessary.
Not only that, but it automaticallyl creates the first CDR as a bootable CD
with the necessary DI4 software to re-write the image back to the hard
drive.
I can have a full, completely restorable backup of my hard drive for less
than $20 and it will last (in theory) 100 years.
Now, if they would only fix that damned Pagefile problem with DI4...
-Larry
"George Simos" <gsi...@netfiles.gr> wrote in message
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Tom Dake
MS backup?
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