disable Shift+Delete in the IDE

[Eduardo]

I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?

The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part of
the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to select the
exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the delete key,
but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the delete
key without releasing the Shift key first.
The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose what I
had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text, not for
deleting.

Here I found a possible solution:
http://superuser.com/questions/256330/how-can-i-prevent-shift-delete-from-cutting-in-windows
(still not tested).

But I can't believe that I'm the only one that experience this with VB

[DaveO]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message
news:kick75$pah$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

The fix is:

Don't hit the delete key at all! If you want to overwrite the selected text
then pasting will replace the selected text for you - No need to delete it
first.

Time for an aphorism: "Less haste, more speed"

DaveO.

[Tim Rude]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message
news:kick75$pah$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Nope, the rest of us have developed hand-eye coordination. :)

[Mayayana]

| But I can't believe that I'm the only one that experience this with VB
|

I found a gizmo called a "mouse" and bought a
version known as a "trackball". As a result I don't
have to fiddle with keys or remember shortcuts.
I just lean back with my elbow on the armrest
and burn rubber. :)

[Jeff Johnson]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message
news:kick75$pah$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

I'm a left-handed mouse user, so my right hand works the keyboard when doing
mouse+key work. Cut, Copy, and Paste have older keyboard shortcuts (known as
Common User Access or CUA shortcuts) that correspond to the "modern"
Apple-derived shortcuts of Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C, and Ctrl+V. Those shortcuts are,
in order, Shift+Delete, Ctrl+Insert, and Shift+Insert. They are MUCH easier
to hit with your right hand than the letter-based shortcuts. So please A)
don't ask that these CUA shortcuts be removed and B) be aware of and support
them if you ever write your own key-trapping code*. Many old-timers will
thank you.


*There's also Alt+Backspace for Undo, but if you have to leave one out, this
is it.

[Eduardo]

"DaveO" <d...@dial.pipex.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kiclj7$pnb$1...@dont-email.me...

I don't need to replace, I need to delete.

[Eduardo]

"Mayayana" <maya...@invalid.nospam> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kicn4o$497$1...@dont-email.me...

I'm used to the keyboard.
Most of the code that I write is with the keyboard.

[Eduardo]

"Jeff Johnson" <i....@enough.spam> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kicomq$dti$1...@dont-email.me...

> "Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message
> news:kick75$pah$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?
>>
>> The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
>> clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part
>> of the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to
>> select the exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the
>> delete key, but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I
>> press the delete key without releasing the Shift key first.
>> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose
>> what I had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text,
>> not for deleting.
>>
>> Here I found a possible solution:
>> http://superuser.com/questions/256330/how-can-i-prevent-shift-delete-from-cutting-in-windows
>> (still not tested).
>>
>> But I can't believe that I'm the only one that experience this with VB
>
> I'm a left-handed mouse user, so my right hand works the keyboard when
> doing mouse+key work. Cut, Copy, and Paste have older keyboard shortcuts
> (known as Common User Access or CUA shortcuts) that correspond to the
> "modern" Apple-derived shortcuts of Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C, and Ctrl+V. Those
> shortcuts are, in order, Shift+Delete, Ctrl+Insert, and Shift+Insert. They
> are MUCH easier to hit with your right hand than the letter-based
> shortcuts. So please A) don't ask that these CUA shortcuts be removed

Well, I don't think that MS would remove that from the IDE because they
don't update it any more.
But for any new VB IDE version, if there is any in the future, I suggest to
make them optional (and disabled by default).

[ja...@bitspaces.com]

On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:22:22 AM UTC-4, Eduardo wrote:
> but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the delete
> key without releasing the Shift key first.
> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose what I

Fortunately, I've never had that problem even though I use keyboard navigation extensively. However, I thought that the AutoHotkey program might be a good way to intercept Shift+Delete, and implemented the following script in it:

+Del::Send {Delete}

Now Shift+Delete just acts as delete instead of cut. Then I looked at the link you supplied and noticed that the first answer mentions using AutoHotkey. So is there a reason why you aren't?

I suppose you could also write your own program with a global hotkey to trap Shift+Delete if you find AutoHotkey to be too bloated for that purpose alone.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Eduardo explained :

Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original
shortcuts, which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are hardcoded
into nearly every native Windows baseclass.

It's time you either slowed down, or simply learned how to use your
keyboard.

--
.NET: It's About Trust!
http://vfred.mvps.org

[Karl E. Peterson]

Jeff Johnson expressed precisely :

> don't ask that these CUA shortcuts be removed and B) be aware of and support
> them if you ever write your own key-trapping code*. Many old-timers will
> thank you.

I actually think it's better that these people who lack historical
knowledge go on without it These shortcuts are coded into nearly all
the native window baseclasses, and often provide a way to copy/paste
information from controls whose clueless authors have tried to prevent
just that.

It's actually amazing how widespread this is! No way to
right-click/Paste or Cntl-V into the serial number box when installing
Adobe products, for instance. Which is just dumb! WTF would they want
you to actually type out 26 numbers and letters??? (Giggles and
grins?) But it's really easy to Shift-Insert them right in!

Let the dopes be dopes. The rest of us will endure. :-D

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kicq53$n11$1...@dont-email.me...

> Eduardo explained :
>> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?
>>
>> The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
>> clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part
>> of the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to
>> select the exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the
>> delete key, but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I
>> press the delete key without releasing the Shift key first.
>> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose
>> what I had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text,
>> not for deleting.
>>
>> Here I found a possible solution:
>> http://superuser.com/questions/256330/how-can-i-prevent-shift-delete-from-cutting-in-windows
>> (still not tested).
>>
>> But I can't believe that I'm the only one that experience this with VB
>
> Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original shortcuts,
> which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are hardcoded into nearly
> every native Windows baseclass.

It seems that they are optional in newer IDEs:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7745119/disable-shiftdelete-cutting-in-visual-studio

[Eduardo]

<ja...@bitspaces.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:a9eb3a3d-e494-4a32...@googlegroups.com...

> On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:22:22 AM UTC-4, Eduardo wrote:
>> but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the
>> delete
>> key without releasing the Shift key first.
>> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose
>> what I
>
> Fortunately, I've never had that problem even though I use keyboard
> navigation extensively. However, I thought that the AutoHotkey program
> might be a good way to intercept Shift+Delete, and implemented the
> following script in it:
>
> +Del::Send {Delete}
>
> Now Shift+Delete just acts as delete instead of cut. Then I looked at the
> link you supplied and noticed that the first answer
> mentions using AutoHotkey. So is there a reason why you aren't?

I first wanted to know if there was another option from people (you) that
could have had the same issue.

> I suppose you could also write your own program with a global hotkey to
> trap Shift+Delete if you find AutoHotkey to be too bloated for that
> purpose alone.

Good idea. In the case I don't feel comfortable with that program (I still
didn't install it) I'll write my own.

Thanks.

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kicqbm$ods$1...@dont-email.me...

> Jeff Johnson expressed precisely :
>> don't ask that these CUA shortcuts be removed and B) be aware of and
>> support them if you ever write your own key-trapping code*. Many
>> old-timers will thank you.
>
> I actually think it's better that these people who lack historical
> knowledge go on without it These shortcuts are coded into nearly all the
> native window baseclasses, and often provide a way to copy/paste
> information from controls whose clueless authors have tried to prevent
> just that.
>
> It's actually amazing how widespread this is! No way to right-click/Paste
> or Cntl-V into the serial number box when installing Adobe products, for
> instance. Which is just dumb! WTF would they want you to actually type
> out 26 numbers and letters??? (Giggles and grins?) But it's really easy
> to Shift-Insert them right in!

I use many shortcuts for editing, mostly Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+X,
Shift+Insert, but I never used Shift+Delete for cutting (may be because I'm
right handed). And it's a PITA because the clipboard don't have a Undo
function either.

[Karl E. Peterson]

on 3/20/2013, Eduardo supposed :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...

>> Jeff Johnson expressed precisely :
>>> don't ask that these CUA shortcuts be removed and B) be aware of and
>>> support them if you ever write your own key-trapping code*. Many
>>> old-timers will thank you.
>>
>> I actually think it's better that these people who lack historical
>> knowledge go on without it These shortcuts are coded into nearly all the
>> native window baseclasses, and often provide a way to copy/paste
>> information from controls whose clueless authors have tried to prevent just
>> that.
>>
>> It's actually amazing how widespread this is! No way to right-click/Paste
>> or Cntl-V into the serial number box when installing Adobe products, for
>> instance. Which is just dumb! WTF would they want you to actually type
>> out 26 numbers and letters??? (Giggles and grins?) But it's really easy
>> to Shift-Insert them right in!
>
> I use many shortcuts for editing, mostly Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+X,

Far fewer controls implement, and even fewer still implement
consistently, these newfangled Apple shortcuts.

> Shift+Insert, but I never used Shift+Delete for cutting (may be because I'm
> right handed).

I generally use two hands on the keyboard, myself. But there's
absolutely no difference in usability on mine (Ergo 4000) between
Shift-Insert and Shift-Delete, as they're right next to one another.

> And it's a PITA because the clipboard don't have a Undo
> function either.

Alt-Backspace, as Jeff pointed out earlier.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Eduardo wrote on 3/20/2013 :
>> Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original shortcuts,
>> which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are hardcoded into nearly
>> every native Windows baseclass.
>
> It seems that they are optional in newer IDEs:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7745119/disable-shiftdelete-cutting-in-visual-studio

They're probably not using native window classes?

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kicsi7$6go$1...@dont-email.me...

> I generally use two hands on the keyboard

I generally use two hands also, but I'm still "right handed" even when I use
the two hands. Jeff implied that this was the reason why some people feel
more comfortable with Control+X and other use Shift+Delete.

>> And it's a PITA because the clipboard don't have a Undo function either.
>
> Alt-Backspace, as Jeff pointed out earlier.

Alt+Backspace seems to delete sometimes an entire block

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje

news:kicsks$703$1...@dont-email.me...

> Eduardo wrote on 3/20/2013 :
>>> Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original shortcuts,
>>> which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are hardcoded into nearly
>>> every native Windows baseclass.
>>
>> It seems that they are optional in newer IDEs:
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7745119/disable-shiftdelete-cutting-in-visual-studio
>
> They're probably not using native window classes?

I don't know. But I find very nice that the shortcut keys can be
configurable in the way the user prefers.

[Mike Williams]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message
news:kick75$pah$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?
> The problem is when editing the code, sometimes
> I have something on the clipboard that I copied

> from somewhere . . .

It's a good job you're not using Marv's clipboard trashing app ;-)

Mike

[RW]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:22:22 -0300, "Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote:

>The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
>clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part of
>the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to select the
>exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the delete key,
>but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the delete
>key without releasing the Shift key first.
>The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose what I
>had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text, not for
>deleting.

Two step solution:
1. Select the block to delete
2. Hit backspace

Works for me.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Eduardo submitted this idea :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...

>
>> I generally use two hands on the keyboard
>
> I generally use two hands also, but I'm still "right handed" even when I use
> the two hands. Jeff implied that this was the reason why some people feel
> more comfortable with Control+X and other use Shift+Delete.

Some people are just weird. <shrug>

>>> And it's a PITA because the clipboard don't have a Undo function either.
>>
>> Alt-Backspace, as Jeff pointed out earlier.
>
> Alt+Backspace seems to delete sometimes an entire block

Okay. I'd suggest just sticking with Cntl-Z then. That's what I tend
to use.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Eduardo used his keyboard to write :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...

>> Eduardo wrote on 3/20/2013 :
>>>> Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original shortcuts,
>>>> which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are hardcoded into nearly
>>>> every native Windows baseclass.
>>>
>>> It seems that they are optional in newer IDEs:
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7745119/disable-shiftdelete-cutting-in-visual-studio
>>
>> They're probably not using native window classes?
>
> I don't know. But I find very nice that the shortcut keys can be configurable
> in the way the user prefers.

I'd prefer consistency across the entire operating system, and that
*NO* application ever be allowed to "fuck with" the clipboard in such a
way. That should be hallowed ground, respected and cherished by all.

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kid29t$b6q$1...@dont-email.me...

> Eduardo used his keyboard to write :
>> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...
>>> Eduardo wrote on 3/20/2013 :
>>>>> Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original
>>>>> shortcuts, which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are
>>>>> hardcoded into nearly every native Windows baseclass.
>>>>
>>>> It seems that they are optional in newer IDEs:
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7745119/disable-shiftdelete-cutting-in-visual-studio
>>>
>>> They're probably not using native window classes?
>>
>> I don't know. But I find very nice that the shortcut keys can be
>> configurable in the way the user prefers.
>
> I'd prefer consistency across the entire operating system, and that

If I have s problem, and inconsistency solves it, I prefer inconsistency.

> *NO* application ever be allowed to "fuck with" the clipboard in such a
> way. That should be hallowed ground, respected and cherished by all.

What does the clipboard has to do with configuring keys?

[Eduardo]

"Mike Williams" <Mi...@WhiskyAndCoke.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kid1dd$5ea$1...@dont-email.me...

Yeah, my code would be full of images

[Eduardo]

"RW" <RonW@no_domain.invalid> escribi� en el mensaje
news:hq2kk8pkifk6tkfi1...@4ax.com...

Yes, that's an option.
I would need to change my typing habits but it's a solution.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Eduardo has brought this to us :

> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...
>> Eduardo used his keyboard to write :
>>> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...
>>>> Eduardo wrote on 3/20/2013 :
>>>>>> Get over it. These won't ever go away. They're the original
>>>>>> shortcuts, which go back to Windows 1.0, and as such they are hardcoded
>>>>>> into nearly every native Windows baseclass.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that they are optional in newer IDEs:
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7745119/disable-shiftdelete-cutting-in-visual-studio
>>>>
>>>> They're probably not using native window classes?
>>>
>>> I don't know. But I find very nice that the shortcut keys can be
>>> configurable in the way the user prefers.
>>
>> I'd prefer consistency across the entire operating system, and that
>
> If I have s problem, and inconsistency solves it, I prefer inconsistency.

Heh, which leads to the beginning condition, more times than not! <g>

>> *NO* application ever be allowed to "fuck with" the clipboard in such a
>> way. That should be hallowed ground, respected and cherished by all.
>
> What does the clipboard has to do with configuring keys?

I'm probably not able to help you out of this state of confusion,
sorry.

[Andrew Gregory]

Did it work?

and...@hmsbroker.com

On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:22:22 PM UTC+1, Eduardo wrote:
> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?
>
>
>

> The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
>
> clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part of
>
> the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to select the
>
> exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the delete key,
>
> but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the delete
>
> key without releasing the Shift key first.
>
> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose what I
>
> had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text, not for
>
> deleting.
>
>
>

[Mayayana]

| > Two step solution:
| > 1. Select the block to delete
| > 2. Hit backspace
| >
| > Works for me.
|
| Yes, that's an option.
| I would need to change my typing habits but it's a solution.
|

I don't get why any of this is necessary. You need to
replace the selection with text on the clipboard? Then
what's wrong with select, paste? You don't need delete,
backspace, or anything else as an extra step in there.

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kidc3c$9lh$1...@dont-email.me...

> Heh, which leads to the beginning condition, more times than not! <g>
>
>>> *NO* application ever be allowed to "fuck with" the clipboard in such a
>>> way. That should be hallowed ground, respected and cherished by all.
>>
>> What does the clipboard has to do with configuring keys?
>
> I'm probably not able to help you out of this state of confusion, sorry.

I'm not confused, perhaps you didn't get it but I don't have time to explain
now

[Eduardo]

"Mayayana" <maya...@invalid.nospam> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kideqo$oh6$1...@dont-email.me...

Maya, when I said "I have to replace some part of this code" I didn't mean
that I have to replace the text selected with the one in the clipboard, I
meant to replace some parts of the code on that section as a whole.

For example, I have a block of code in a procedure that I decided to carry
into a new function, I select all the code that I need to move and press
Ctrl+X, now it's in the clipboard, then I see that are left some Debug.Print
lines, I go, select them, and hit the delete key...

Go to the bas module where I want the new function, write the name of the
new function, perhaps write a couple of variable declarations that I see
that it will need, then paste the code that I copied to the clipboard:
Debug.Print...

[Karl E. Peterson]

Eduardo laid this down on his screen :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi�...

>
>> Heh, which leads to the beginning condition, more times than not! <g>
>>
>>>> *NO* application ever be allowed to "fuck with" the clipboard in such a
>>>> way. That should be hallowed ground, respected and cherished by all.
>>>
>>> What does the clipboard has to do with configuring keys?
>>
>> I'm probably not able to help you out of this state of confusion, sorry.
>
> I'm not confused, perhaps you didn't get it but I don't have time to explain
> now

Heh, right! That's the problem, in a nutshell. So to speak. <g>

[Eduardo]

"Andrew Gregory" <frank...@googlemail.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:5567ed63-883e-4443...@googlegroups.com...

> Did it work?

Still didn't test it. I'm not hurried about this, this is very annoying but
I' working with the program, perhaps the next time that happens I'll go and
install it.

But I guess it should work, two people already said it works.

[Eduardo]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kidouc$5q1$1...@dont-email.me...

Yes, I'm sorry about that.

[Eduardo]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kidp1h$6ii$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+Z...

[Jeff Johnson]

"Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> wrote in message
news:kicsi7$6go$1...@dont-email.me...
> on 3/20/2013, Eduardo supposed :

>> And it's a PITA because the clipboard don't have a Undo function either.
>
> Alt-Backspace, as Jeff pointed out earlier.

No, he means that once you put something on the clipboard, there's no way to
undo that action and return the previous data to the clipboard.

Basically he's just upset that sometimes he makes a mistake and instead of
wanting to be more careful with what he's doing, he'd rather throw the baby
out with the bathwater.

Eduardo, why not try a different approach and look into the myriad of
clipboard programs out there that will allow you to store multiple sets of
data and easily switch between them? I have friends who swear by these
programs.

[Eduardo]

"Jeff Johnson" <u...@yours.spammers> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kie0do$1ce$1...@dont-email.me...

> Basically he's just upset that sometimes he makes a mistake and instead of
> wanting to be more careful with what he's doing,

How many lines do you produce per day on average?
I want to be fast, I'm very careful with the logic of the program and its
functionality, but I don't want to waste time in things like cutting and
pasting.

Perhaps you like very much typing, so you want to spend a lot of time on it.

[DaveO]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message

news:kied31$fu9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

If it worries you that much then writing a clipboard monitor is pretty
simple, either done properly and hooked into the system or cheating with a
timer.

Set it up to ignore everything except text and then buffer the last 5 or so
clipboard contents give it a simple UI, perhaps a menu on a tool-tray icon.
Easy-peasy, perceived problem solved.



DaveO

[Eduardo]

"DaveO" <d...@dial.pipex.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kiek4r$diq$1...@dont-email.me...

Another good idea for when I have free time

[Karl E. Peterson]

Jeff Johnson submitted this idea :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <ka...@exmvps.org> wrote...

>> on 3/20/2013, Eduardo supposed :
>
>>> And it's a PITA because the clipboard don't have a Undo function either.
>>
>> Alt-Backspace, as Jeff pointed out earlier.
>
> No, he means that once you put something on the clipboard, there's no way to
> undo that action and return the previous data to the clipboard.

Oh!

Not sure I ever would've guessed someone could feel that way! <LOL>

> Basically he's just upset that sometimes he makes a mistake and instead of
> wanting to be more careful with what he's doing, he'd rather throw the baby
> out with the bathwater.

Heh, that was my sense. Just didn't realize it could be taken to that
extreme. Wow...

[Karl E. Peterson]

on 3/21/2013, Eduardo supposed :
> "Jeff Johnson" <u...@yours.spammers> escribi�...

>
>> Basically he's just upset that sometimes he makes a mistake and instead of
>> wanting to be more careful with what he's doing,
>
> How many lines do you produce per day on average?
> I want to be fast, I'm very careful with the logic of the program and its
> functionality, but I don't want to waste time in things like cutting and
> pasting.

Are you serious? Holy shit... You actually equate copy/paste with the
production of something? The English word for that would be
"reproduction." HTH!

> Perhaps you like very much typing, so you want to spend a lot of time on it.

Loser 'tude, dude.

[CoderX]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message
news:kied31$fu9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> but I don't want to waste time in things like cutting and pasting.

Most people consider it a time saver. Learn a few keyboard short cuts. The
process becomes second nature and is super fast.

Also, MZ Tools. Google it.

[CoderX]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message

news:kicqqs$dl4$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> Good idea. In the case I don't feel comfortable with that program (I still
> didn't install it) I'll write my own.
>

When you have 'free time', of course.

[CoderX]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message

news:kidoh8$5cb$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> I'm not confused, perhaps you didn't get it but I don't have time to
> explain now

Really? That's like accusing a Jedi of not knowing how to use the Force.

[Eduardo]

"CoderX" <co...@x.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kigd4q$gau$1...@dont-email.me...

I didn't mean that I don't want to cut and paste, but that I want to spend
as little time as possible doing it.
Meaning: of course if I press one key, then wait a second, look at the
keyboard, press another, wait another second, look at my fingers... I'll be
"more careful" (and never to press Shift+Delete when I just want to press
Delete), but what I said is that I want to do that as quick as possible (not
that I don't use cut and paste).

> Also, MZ Tools. Google it.

I use it.
Sadly, lately, when I click to see statistics, it hangs on an usercontrol.

BTW: what does MZ-Tools has to do with cutting and pasting? (I know that I
don't use all the features that it has)

[Eduardo]

"CoderX" <co...@x.com> escribi� en el mensaje

news:kigd87$gmv$1...@dont-email.me...

Yes, off course. This thing is annoying but it is not a priority.

[Eduardo]

"CoderX" <co...@x.com> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kigdbb$h5s$1...@dont-email.me...

And did you get it?
(To be in position to judge you have to have understood everything in the
case before).

[CoderX]

"Eduardo" <m...@mm.com> wrote in message

news:kigo5n$ill$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> BTW: what does MZ-Tools has to do with cutting and pasting? (I know that I
> don't use all the features that it has)

It has multiple clipboards that can be assigned to kb shortcuts.

[Eduardo]

"CoderX" <co...@x.com> escribi� en el mensaje

news:kii277$5rb$1...@dont-email.me...

Ah, nice, I assigned Ctrl+Shift+C to the private clipboard 1, I have to give
it a try to see if I get used to this extra step.
Thanks.

[Larry Serflaten]

Eduardo wrote:
> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?

Nope, Also a lefty I've used CTRL+DEL and SHIFT+INS for many years and don't
confuse the two when editing.

> But I can't believe that I'm the only one that experience this with VB

It will also show up in other editors you may use. If it is really a problem,
you might re-train yourself to use the Backspace key if you want to delete
highlighted text. Then it won't matter if you still have the shift key down
or not.

LFS

[Deanna Earley]

On 22/03/2013 04:54, Eduardo wrote:
>> Also, MZ Tools. Google it.
>
> I use it.
> Sadly, lately, when I click to see statistics, it hangs on an usercontrol.

Check the code in the Initialize event of that usercontrol.
It tries to execute the code which may fail if the rest of the
application has not been loaded.

--
Deanna Earley (dee.e...@icode.co.uk)
iCatcher Development Team
http://www.icode.co.uk/icatcher/

iCode Systems

(Replies direct to my email address will be ignored. Please reply to the
group.)

[Deanna Earley]

On 20/03/2013 15:22, Eduardo wrote:
> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?
>

> The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
> clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part of
> the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to select the
> exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the delete key,
> but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the delete
> key without releasing the Shift key first.
> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose what I
> had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text, not for
> deleting.

Out of interest, how often do you delete large blocks of code?
Surely you'd run out eventually....

[Eduardo]

"Deanna Earley" <dee.e...@icode.co.uk> escribi� en el mensaje
news:kipbuu$6ev$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 22/03/2013 04:54, Eduardo wrote:
>>> Also, MZ Tools. Google it.
>>
>> I use it.
>> Sadly, lately, when I click to see statistics, it hangs on an
>> usercontrol.
>
> Check the code in the Initialize event of that usercontrol.
> It tries to execute the code which may fail if the rest of the application
> has not been loaded.

Thanks Deanna.

In fact it hangs on the form that uses the UserControl.

And there are three levels of UserControls on that form.

It hangs on Form "F1", that contains an UserControl "C1", that contains an
UserControl "c2", that contains two UserControls "C3".

I removed the code from the initialize events of C2 and C3 (C1 did not have
code there), but it still hangs.

If I remove the two C3 from C2, it goes fine. But I've been using C3 and C2
in other parts of the project and MZ-Tools didn't hanged.

[Eduardo]

"Deanna Earley" <dee.e...@icode.co.uk> escribi� en el mensaje

news:kipd88$b9t$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 20/03/2013 15:22, Eduardo wrote:
>> I'm tired of this, do you experience the same?
>>
>> The problem is when editing the code, sometimes I have something on the
>> clipboard that I copied from somewhere, and I need to replace some part
>> of
>> the code so I use Shift+End or Shift+KeyLeft or Shift+KeyDown to select
>> the
>> exact part of the code that I need to delete, then I hit the delete key,
>> but... I do it very fast (and very often), and many times I press the
>> delete
>> key without releasing the Shift key first.
>> The result: the deleted text is copied into the clipboard and I loose
>> what I
>> had to paste, because Shift+Delete is configured for cutting text, not
>> for
>> deleting.
>
> Out of interest, how often do you delete large blocks of code?
> Surely you'd run out eventually....

It doesn't need to be a large block to replace what you copied to the
clipboard.