Re: The newbie's dilemma!
RJK
Properties, that I tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any
of it was what my OE / or MS GN server objected to with the "malformed
header" warning !
...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is
not appearing as it does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details |
Message Source ?
regards, Richard
"BoaterDave" <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cf1f6993-4d9a-43e0...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" <notatos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> e.g. ?
>>
>> From: "~BD~" <BoaterD...@nospam.invalid>
>> References: <OdCCegf3...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <Ok#FDu$4HHA.1...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
>> <efmicmI5HHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <eXkj9RJ5HHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
>> <XtGdnTPldJuFQlPbnZ2dnUVZ_hadn...@bright.net>
>> <Xns9997127BF7B03HHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <M4adnSamyaHcSVLbnZ2dnUVZ_vein...@bright.net>
>> <Xns99991C9459FA5HHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <cJudnfB5hf4nDk_bnZ2dnUVZ_sSln...@bright.net>
>> <Xns999CB36A7766EHHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <rLudndgZ9ZxOoUXbnZ2dnUVZ_ommn...@bright.net>
>> <Xns999E853BD1C6FHHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <epDBVsU7HHA....@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <Xns999F75E1EF697HHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <#tXjnLf8HHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>> <uqzLOCWAIHA.1...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>> <D9CF1052-EBB7-463E-974D-295D419E2...@microsoft.com>
>> <BD.3fd...@news.home.local> <u6wrvsPEJHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <7648cfa1-c7aa-4247-8a84-ee760fe4a...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: The newbie's dilemma!
>> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:03 +0100
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>
> Hi Richard! Thanks for posting. :)
>
> Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
> 'References' have come from?
>
> Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
>
> Dave
FromTheRafters
That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
little confused.
If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
topic structure laid out by the webmaster.
Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
the person that made that post because that person has probably
moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).
~BD~
--
"RJK" <notat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OdfI4xz...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header / Properties, that I
>tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any of it was what my OE / or MS GN server
>objected to with the "malformed header" warning !
>
> ...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is not appearing as it
> does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details | Message Source ?
>
> regards, Richard
--
Hi Richard. You've no doubt noticed that when I post using Outlook Express, I'm using ~BD~ an my
'nickname'. When checking on *my* PC at the 4th in this thread, I see "References:
<OdCCegf3...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>". (Same as you in the first line of References)
When posting from Google Groups I use BoaterDave. On checking here, in OE, the 3rd post *all* the
References are showing in the Properties just as you have indicated.
Puzzled, I looked again at the Properties box for the post *from* OE. Then I noticed ... Doh! There
are *scroll* bars! So I copied and pasted everything I could under References: and pasted it into
Notepad (word wrap). This was the result:
References: <OdCCegf3...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> <Ok#FDu$4HHA...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<efmicmI5...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> <eXkj9RJ5...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<XtGdnTPldJuFQlPb...@bright.net> <Xns9997127BF7B...@69.28.186.121>
<M4adnSamyaHcSVLb...@bright.net> <Xns99991C9459F...@69.28.186.121>
<cJudnfB5hf4nDk_b...@bright.net> <Xns999CB36A776...@69.28.186.121>
<rLudndgZ9ZxOoUXb...@bright.net> <Xns999E853BD1C...@69.28.186.121>
<epDBVsU...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> <Xns999F75E1EF6...@69.28.186.121>
<#tXjnLf8...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> <uqzLOCWA...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<D9CF1052-EBB7-463E...@microsoft.com> <BD.3...@news.home.local>
<u6wrvsPE...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
<7648cfa1-c7aa-4247...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
As far as I can tell- it is EXACTLY the same information as shown in the header from google.!!!!
Hopefully then ............. Your question "... ~BD~ 's security has been compromised ?" has been
answered in the negative (but one never knows! <wink!>
No doubt there are complicated technical reasons for showing things in a different format, but I
suspect I don't really need to know! (or do I?!!)
Dave
~BD~
~BD~
<snip>
> That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
> dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
> conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
> little confused.
>
> If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
> hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
> even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
> the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
> have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
> is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
> sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
> topic structure laid out by the webmaster.
>
> Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
> the person that made that post because that person has probably
> moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
> as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).
>
>
>
All your points noted and much appreciated FTR. Thank you.
You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
there somewhere though!
I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.
Dave
~BD~
"~BD~" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:erK4QtYE...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
>
> TIA
>
> Dave
<snip>
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?
Dave
--
FromTheRafters
"~BD~" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
~BD~
Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>
Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.
Dave
--
FromTheRafters
> http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
> time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
> is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!
I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.
> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.
...and even this is no guarantee
> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
> I do hope so anyway.
Information is a good thing! :o)
FromTheRafters
"~BD~" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.
FromTheRafters
may be of interest to you.
http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_groups/article_retention_rates.htm
"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%23MuQkv5...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
~BD~
"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:O0OL1Z6E...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
> may be of interest to you.
>
> http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_groups/article_retention_rates.htm
>
Thank you FTR.
An interesting read. It also reminded me of the word 'Binaries' - an expression which I simply could
not recall when making a post recently! :)
Dave
--
~BD~
<snip>>>>>
>>>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?
>>>
>>> It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
>>> for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
>>> oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
>>> your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>
>>
>> Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.
>
> Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?pg=2&p=1&tid=fcbd6cf1-e372-4c05-a4ef-22433579473f&dg=microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb&cat=en-us-msdn&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us
>
>
>
>
Interesting comment there from Joseph, viz
"There is no firewall on the computer ..... "
Dave
--
~BD~
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
>> servers?
The default rention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
~BD~
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ur63$OCFJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Thank you, Robear :)
BD
--
~BD~
Hi FTR.... in-line
"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:%23Tn01P6...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
>> http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
>
> I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
> really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
>
>> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
>> maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
>> there somewhere though!
>
> I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.
Thank you. Maybe you will in due course!
>> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
>
> It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
> trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
> You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
> read various posts.
>
> ...and even this is no guarantee
Hahaha! :) Maybe you'll have time to peek here:-
http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=20&p=27599&#entry27599
>> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.
>
> Information is a good thing! :o)
Indeed. That's what our P o l i c e told me! <wink>
Cheers
Dave
--
BoaterDave
> I couldn't send this in the original thread position, so trying here!
>
> Hi FTR.... in-line
>
> >> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
> >>http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
>
> > I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
> > really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
>
> >> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
> >> maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
> >> there somewhere though!
>
> > I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.
>
> Thank you. Maybe you will in due course!
>
> >> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
>
> > It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
> > trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
> > You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
> > read various posts.
>
> > ...and even this is no guarantee
>
>
> >> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.
>
> > Information is a good thing! :o)
>
> Indeed. That's what our P o l i c e told me! <wink>
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
> --
Link updated http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=40
~BD~
>>>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
>>>> servers?
>>
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>
>
> Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
>
> BD
>
Oops! I meant to add the MID
Message-ID: <ur63$OCFJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
FromTheRafters
~BD~
BD
FromTheRafters
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives
you *might* have gotten a different answer.
~BD~
Communities groups ended up on Usenet!
Confusing, eh? ....... and a real minefield! ;-)
FromTheRafters
servers.
~BD~
--
"God made the cat in order that man might have the pleasure of stroking
the tiger"
~ Fernand Mery
FromTheRafters
mentioned "test1". "Test1" isn't on the E-S server(s) but the others
are.
~BD~
I wonder where it came from!
~BD~
[....]
FromTheRafters
~BD~
FromTheRafters
that page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was
posting to those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.*
hierarchy so I eventually switched to motzarella.
David H. Lipman
exhaustive list ?
Bwaahahahahahahahahahah
One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.
--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
FromTheRafters
>
>> ~BD~ brought next idea :
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> ~BD~ pretended :
>>>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>>>>
>>>> Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.
>>>
>>> Do you have another one?
>>
>> No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed on that
>> page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was posting to
>> those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.* hierarchy so I
>> eventually switched to motzarella.
>>
>
> There's 10's of thousands of Usenet news groups and he's asking for an
> exhaustive list ?
>
> Bwaahahahahahahahahahah
>
> One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.
"aumha" which doesn't list m.p.t but does list m.p.t.h - I recall
seeing m.p.t and m.p.t.h in the list from the MS servers when I was
using them.
You're probably right though that his big NNTP service should have a
very good list of groups.
~BD~
groups listed.
One of them is microsoft.public.test1
The odd thing is, apart from a few items early on, all the rest have
been made by me - look ---> http://i39.tinypic.com/2rrpif6.jpg
I simply cannot believe that Microsoft set up that group - so who did?!!
~BD~
Here's one:-
Path:
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~BD~ wrote:
> ~BD~ wrote:
>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>> http://www.annexcafe.com/forums/index.cfm#11
>>>
>>>
https://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.test.here/browse_frm/month/2008-08?hl=en
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <#kb#gEwAJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>
>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C%23kb%23gEwAJHA.4992%40TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl%3E
>
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/microsoft.public.security/HeXRp8yeyiU
Posts by Trolli
~BD~
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/_bqt-6YIk5U/-jGVjStynfcJ
Do you know who pays the running costs at ES?
~BD~
>> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
>> http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
>
> I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
> really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
>
>> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
>> time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
>> is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!
>
> I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.
>> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
> It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
> trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
> You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
> read various posts.
>
> ...and even this is no guarantee
>
>> I do hope so anyway.
>
> Information is a good thing! :o)
--
The only people who make a difference are the people who believe they can.
~BD~
I heard a whisper that his daughter was converting to Islam - maybe to
become a 'sleeper'?
<shudder>
BurfordTJustice
"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:4a2dnV-1vs4KSLzJ...@bt.com...
--
bd (david brooks of Devon)
Do you fuck children?
If so why?
Since as a "bad guy" hunter you refuse to go after
all the Pakis fucking British children one has to wonder why?
Did you fuck your own children or just others?
Do the Pakis share the spoils with you or maybe pay you off
if drugs?
Are you yourself maybe a Terrorist sleeper?
~BD~
The only people who make a difference ....
..... are the people who believe they can! :-)