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Film Fan

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Oct 9, 2005, 7:51:25 PM10/9/05
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I've used NAV for years and have had no bad results. It's saved my ass on
several occasions.

Why is everyone so down on NAV?

What is better?

If I get a good answer, I will switch to something else.

Suggestions?

R.D.


Galen

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Oct 9, 2005, 9:14:51 PM10/9/05
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In news:7pidna9TgdN...@adelphia.com,
Film Fan <film_fan_...@yahoo.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

Ever have a problem and need to uninstall it and re-install it? Ever have
one of their updates kill functionality in another application? If the
answer is no then you're lucky or don't use an email client for instance.

Galen
--

"You know that a conjurer gets no credit when once he has explained his
trick; and if I show you too much of my method of working, you will
come to the conclusion that I am a very ordinary individual after all."

Sherlock Holmes


Film Fan

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Oct 9, 2005, 10:38:53 PM10/9/05
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The only time I needed to uninstall it was when it expired. I used the
utility on the Symantec website to clean it out and cleared the registry of
any Symantec or Norton references and it re installed fine. I use Outlook
2000 for now. moving to Thunderbird soon. (I don't like HTML forced on me.)

Maybe I've been lucky.

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Phil Weldon

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Oct 9, 2005, 11:02:08 PM10/9/05
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'Film Fan' wrote, in part

| I use Outlook
| 2000 for now. moving to Thunderbird soon. (I don't like HTML forced on
me.)
_____

Microsoft Outlook 2000 [Tools] [Options] [Mail Format] [dropdown menu ->
HTML/Microsoft Outlook Rich Text/Plain Text]

Phil Weldon

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David H. Lipman

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Oct 10, 2005, 12:12:28 AM10/10/05
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From: "Film Fan" <film_fan_...@yahoo.com>

You mean besides the resource hogging of NAV and the terrible Symantec support ?

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm


Panda_man

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Oct 10, 2005, 1:28:01 AM10/10/05
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Norton antivirus and any other security Symantec products has many
disadvantages:
1.Live Update - used from many people and from you,of course,offers updates
only ONCE a week which is critical for new viruses like Sasser ,Zotob,Sober
critical.

2.Norton always creates too much files and folders and reg keys and it isn't
possible to be cleaned withouth something else.I mean it is possible but need
time and special expert skills in "How to clean a computer after Norton"
Norton's files are so much that even a malware creates less.

3.Symantec's tech support is terrible.They never do not know why something
has happended

4.In my opinion Norton is bad in dealing with Trojans (this is my personal
opinion)
I think so, because I have helped many people but nowhere Norton helped
with dealing with trojans

5.Please read this post and you'll see what kind of problem can Norton create:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.security.virus/browse_thread/thread/ee04b0b9a2b1e661/2766975658608580?lnk=st&q=norton+av+2005+(in+Microsoft)&rnum=5&hl=en#2766975658608580

It is being discussed in the group you are posting to.


At the end I would recommend you to have one of these better than Norton
things:

Panda Titanium (at about $ 40 a year)
http://www.pandasoftware.com
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/truprevent.htm
http://www.pandasoftware.com/about_panda/technology

or
F-prot AV + Panda TruPrevent ( at about $ 60 a year)

http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/win/
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/truprevent.htm


You can get trials and learn why they are better.

Panda_man
" Let's beat malware black and blue "
" No new epidemics of all kind of malware -> Panda TruPrevent "

Film Fan

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Oct 10, 2005, 2:02:11 AM10/10/05
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I haven't had to call support.

I haven't had any resource problems.

Like I said. I must be lucky.


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Film Fan

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Oct 10, 2005, 2:05:36 AM10/10/05
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Okay.

I would like to try something else.

I want to feel the difference. But, I want something that WILL WORK when it
comes to viruses and updates.

I might not feel the resource lags because I only use my machine for
graphics and html, not games.

Any AV program suggestions?


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Phil Weldon

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Oct 10, 2005, 2:11:28 AM10/10/05
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Oddly, I am offered 'Live Update' every two days on average.
Do you suppose it has anything to do with using Norton Antivirus as a part
of SystemWorks? Or have you not used Norton Antivirus lately?

As for why use Norton Antivirus, with careful timing, the price is right;
$0.00 US.

Phil Weldon

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Galen

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Oct 10, 2005, 3:29:58 AM10/10/05
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In news:kfCdneM8Lec...@adelphia.com,

Film Fan <film_fan_...@yahoo.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Okay.

I highly recommend taking a look at KAV - http://www.kaspersky.com

Some free alternatives:

Malware Cleaners and Repair :
http://kgiii.info/windows/all/general/malwarefix.html

Galen
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Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)

What's in a Name?

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Oct 10, 2005, 8:52:11 AM10/10/05
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"Panda_man" Pand...@discussions.microsoft.com on 10/10/2005 in
<FA5A63A1-3F0F-44D9...@microsoft.com> after much
thought,came up with this jewel:

I thought that panda was a bit of a resource hog also.
-max
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Panda_man

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Oct 10, 2005, 1:10:02 PM10/10/05
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I have suggested two variants in my post

Panda Titanium

or

F-prot AV + Panda TruPrevent technology

Ian Kenefick

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Oct 10, 2005, 3:54:55 PM10/10/05
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:28:01 -0700, Panda_man
<Pand...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Norton antivirus and any other security Symantec products has many
>disadvantages:
>1.Live Update - used from many people and from you,of course,offers updates
>only ONCE a week which is critical for new viruses like Sasser ,Zotob,Sober
>critical.

Yep, this is a bad one alright.

>3.Symantec's tech support is terrible.They never do not know why something
>has happended

Never do not know.... I would think this was a good thing!

>4.In my opinion Norton is bad in dealing with Trojans (this is my personal
>opinion)
>I think so, because I have helped many people but nowhere Norton helped
>with dealing with trojans

Symantec have improved! I agree that their retail version of Norton AV
is very fat. It does need to shed a few pounds in resource
consumption. But Symantec's detection has improved a lot!

Compare...

http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2004_02.php

with...

http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2005_08.php

You will see that they have put a lot of emphises on non-viral
malware.

--
Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://www.ik-cs.com

Panda_man

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Oct 10, 2005, 4:10:13 PM10/10/05
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Please read this OFFICIAL document by Symantec
Special look at "Who should use Live Update" and especially on the second
sentence.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2002021908382713?OpenDocument&src=sec_web_nam

Thanks !

Panda_man

David H. Lipman

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Oct 10, 2005, 4:15:38 PM10/10/05
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From: "Panda_man" <Pand...@discussions.microsoft.com>

|
| "Ian Kenefick" wrote:
|
>> You will see that they have put a lot of emphises on non-viral
>> malware.
|

| Agree,but Live Update and the unnecessary tracks are the buggest problem
| ;-)
|
| Panda_man

I like that "..Live Update and the unnecessary tracks are the buggest problem" !

And I'll agree to it ;-)

Diane M.

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Oct 14, 2005, 4:46:30 AM10/14/05
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"Phil Weldon" <notdi...@example.com> wrote in message
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> Oddly, I am offered 'Live Update' every two days on average.
> Do you suppose it has anything to do with using Norton Antivirus as a part
> of SystemWorks? Or have you not used Norton Antivirus lately?
>
> As for why use Norton Antivirus, with careful timing, the price is right;
> $0.00 US.
>
> Phil Weldon


I agree regarding the above- I am offered LUpdate every couple of days on
average. I do not pay anything for NAV and time my purchase with tax
software I use so that NAV is "free" with the included coupons and rebates.

While some folks may have complaints about support, that is not an issue for
me yet. So until it is, or the software fails me, I have none. NAV has
worked flawlessly for the 6 or so years that I have used it.

D.


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