Ping Troll Lady

Dustin Cook

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"Troll_Lady" <T...@Invalid.anywhere.nowhere.inalid.net> wrote in
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> ok. i have some questions i'd like to ask but they would be better
> suited for public.security.homeusers.
> i don't have that group on this server.
> if i see that you also sub that group, i'll post a ping?
> thanks!
> TL
>
> snipped extra.
>
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, if I get destination host unreachable; I know it's dead, if I
> get no response instead, I know a computer is present, behind a
> firewall; If I were malicious, I'd explore it further. :)
>
> I'll offer advice/help when I can do so. :)

I have crossposted this to that newsgroup as you requested so they can
benefit from the information as well. Feel free to continue the
questions.

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Troll_Lady

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Sep 2, 2007, 6:12:23 AM9/2/07

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thanks!

"Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Troll_Lady" <T...@Invalid.anywhere.nowhere.inalid.net> wrote in
> news:rLudndgZ9ZxOoUXb...@bright.net:
>
>> ok. i have some questions i'd like to ask but they would be better
>> suited for public.security.homeusers.
>> i don't have that group on this server.
>> if i see that you also sub that group, i'll post a ping?
>> thanks!
>> TL
>>
>> snipped extra.
>>
>> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns999CB36A776...@69.28.186.121...
>>
>> Well, if I get destination host unreachable; I know it's dead, if I
>> get no response instead, I know a computer is present, behind a
>> firewall; If I were malicious, I'd explore it further. :)
>>
>> I'll offer advice/help when I can do so. :)
>
> I have crossposted this to that newsgroup as you requested so they can
> benefit from the information as well. Feel free to continue the
> questions.
>

hi, Dustin,
thanks!
my tests at grc shields up have always been 'stealth'. i have assumed this
was enough. i have a dsl modem connected to a router, plus a software
firewall. (not much incoming on sw firewall, unless i'm using my dial up,
but all gets blocked when doing so. i use it to block my games from going
out).
from what i understand you to say above, the 'no response' is NOT good
enough? if so, how\what do i configure for 'host unreachable' ? i'm not
running a server. if there is something further i need to do to protect
myself, i want to know about it.

xphome sp2, almost fully patched (last updates caused a system restore to be
needed and i've not been back since, so, i'm a month behind)
router (hopefully strong pw)
spyware blaster
ad aware
avg free
za firewall
crap cleaner
custom security settings
safe hex
i've used all grc tools to turn things off as recommended.
windows pop up stopper works pretty good so i've not installed any 3rd
party.
i use an old 95\98 power toy that adds to my 'tools' in ie, add site to
trusted, add to restricted. i have 2 sites in trusted, allow everything for
those 2. all other sites i visit fall under custom security unless they
really irritate me (tripod) then i just 'tools' add to restricted sites. i
don't use the phishing filter. (i don't buy online, i go to the bank in
person, etc....)

so, other than the windows updates i'm behind on, what else do i need to do
to protect my computer?

thanks,
TL

BoaterDave

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Sep 2, 2007, 9:43:48 AM9/2/07

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I find that those who bottom post confuse me - those that both top *and*
bottom post confuse me even more! <g>

Have you tried Dustin's BugHunter programme, Li? I've heard that it's very
good.

BD

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Dustin Cook

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"Troll_Lady" <TL...@DogAgent.com> wrote in
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> hi, Dustin,
> thanks!
> my tests at grc shields up have always been 'stealth'. i have assumed
> this was enough. i have a dsl modem connected to a router, plus a
> software firewall. (not much incoming on sw firewall, unless i'm using
> my dial up, but all gets blocked when doing so. i use it to block my
> games from going out).
> from what i understand you to say above, the 'no response' is NOT good
> enough? if so, how\what do i configure for 'host unreachable' ? i'm

I didn't mean to imply it's not good enough, it's just a distinction that
can be used to determine if a computer is firewalled or actually isn't
present. The only way I know of to achieve destination host unreachable
is if the connection really is down.

> not running a server. if there is something further i need to do to
> protect myself, i want to know about it.

It sounds to me like your doing a fine job already. I didn't mean to make
you nervous.

> i've used all grc tools to turn things off as recommended.
> windows pop up stopper works pretty good so i've not installed any 3rd
> party.

Shameless Plug: you should add BugHunter to your list of scanning
applications.

> so, other than the windows updates i'm behind on, what else do i need
> to do to protect my computer?

By the sounds of it, you already are.

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Kayman

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"Troll_Lady" <TL...@DogAgent.com> wrote in message
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> my tests at grc shields up have always been 'stealth'. i have assumed this
> was enough. i have a dsl modem connected to a router,

It is suggested blocking both TCP and UDP ports 135 ~ 139 and 445.
http://seconfig.sytes.net/
(http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Seconfig-XP-Download-39707.html)
Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.

> plus a software firewall.

3rd party software fw are 'phoney-baloney' ware. Uninstall it and activate
the WinXP in-build version.

Is the XP SP2 firewall getting a raw deal?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=81
How to Configure Windows Firewall on a Single Computer
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/smallbusiness/prodtech/windowsxp/cfgfwall.mspx
"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil
http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html
Deconstructing Common Security Myths.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx
Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe.
Exploring the windows Firewall.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx
"Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a gimmick that only gives the
impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually
does improve your security."

> if there is something further i need to do to protect myself, i want to
> know about it.

1. Do not work as administrator, use a normal user account for day-to-day
work.
http://www.5starsupport.com/tutorial/hardening-windows.htm
http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2005/04/18/TableOfContents.aspx
2. Keep your OS (and all software on it) current/patched/updated.
3. Re: IE and OE; Consider utilizing another browser application and e-mail
provider.
4. Don't expose services to public networks.
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm#
http://www.ss64.com/ntsyntax/services.html
http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm
http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm

> xphome sp2, almost fully patched (last updates caused a system restore to
> be needed and i've not been back since, so, i'm a month behind)

Not good enough! See #2 above.

> router (hopefully strong pw)

"Hope" will not get you very far in terms of security.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/password/create.mspx

> spyware blaster
> ad aware

Add: SuperAntispyware - Free
http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html

> avg free

On-demand AV application (add it to your arsenal and use it as a "second
opinion" av scanner).
BitDefender10 Free Edition
http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-14-en--BitDefender-8-Free-Edition.html

> za firewall

Uninstall ZA! See comments above.

> crap cleaner
> custom security settings

What are these?

> safe hex
http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

Read this also:
So How Did I Get Infected Anyway?
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=27971

Now stay safe!

BoaterDave

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Sep 3, 2007, 4:21:03 AM9/3/07

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Thank you for all that excellent information, Kayman. I just wish I'd read
it all two or three years ago when (I thought) I was adequately protected!
<g>

The 'Crap Cleaner' programme to which Troll_Lady is, I believe, referring
may be found here: http://www.ccleaner.com/

It is highly recommended by the 'helpers' (like yourself) over on A/C
User2User. I'm surprised that you are unaware of it.

I'd wecome your view of CCleaner (if you have one!) TIA

Dave

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BoaterDave

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Sep 3, 2007, 11:13:09 AM9/3/07

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Earlier today I posted a message to thank you, Kayman, for listing so much
helpful information.

When I checked half an hour later, my header had a horizontal line struck
through it with a corresponding message saying that my message had been
deleted from the server.

Regardless, I thank you once again for all the links.

Dave

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Dustin Cook

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Sep 3, 2007, 12:41:37 PM9/3/07

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"BoaterDave" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
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> Earlier today I posted a message to thank you, Kayman, for listing so
> much helpful information.
>
> When I checked half an hour later, my header had a horizontal line
> struck through it with a corresponding message saying that my message
> had been deleted from the server.

Hi Dave. Your post arrived fine here. Just because one newserver cancels a
post doesn't mean they all will. Are you sure you didn't cancel it by
mistake?

Barbara

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Sep 3, 2007, 1:19:43 PM9/3/07

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Dustin, please don't feed his paranoia. He probably clicked on the post
just as his modem reset the internet connection. Happens here all the
time. I just have to click on the post again and it downloads properly.

Barbara

Peter Foldes

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Sep 3, 2007, 1:27:54 PM9/3/07

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He was probably using Google mail to post. His post does not show up on the MS newserver(here) Posting under a new name "imbeady" when I checked Google against his previous IP stack. I have no idea why it does not show up here on the MS server. Unless Google mail is blocked for some reason.

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Barbara

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Peter Foldes wrote:
> He was probably using Google mail to post. His post does not show up
> on the MS newserver(here) Posting under a new name "imbeady" when I
> checked Google against his previous IP stack. I have no idea why it
> does not show up here on the MS server. Unless Google mail is blocked
> for some reason.

Shows up for me on the MS server?

Barbara

Dustin Cook

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Sep 3, 2007, 3:20:56 PM9/3/07

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"Barbara" <Tigge...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> "BoaterDave" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> news:ujUFSzj7...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> Earlier today I posted a message to thank you, Kayman, for listing
>>> so much helpful information.
>>>
>>> When I checked half an hour later, my header had a horizontal line
>>> struck through it with a corresponding message saying that my
>>> message had been deleted from the server.
>>
>> Hi Dave. Your post arrived fine here. Just because one newserver
>> cancels a post doesn't mean they all will. Are you sure you didn't
>> cancel it by mistake?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - v2.2d
>> Email.: bughunte...@gmail.com
>> Web...: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
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>> PGP...: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bughunter.dustin.txt
>
>

> time. I just have to click on the post again and it downloads
> properly.

Okay.

BoaterDave

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Sep 3, 2007, 3:22:46 PM9/3/07

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Hello Tigger! Are you the same Tigger as on Annexcafe?
BD

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BoaterDave

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Sep 3, 2007, 4:39:53 PM9/3/07

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I'm sure - no mistake.

Dave

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http://www.strikeitup.com/rencontre/boaterdave/

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Troll_Lady

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Sep 8, 2007, 4:31:25 AM9/8/07

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thanks!
yes, i did go to your site and look at bug hunter.
i might add it.
it looks simple and does what it's meant to do.
TL
OH!
haha on making me nervous. i hadn't seen had so much as a tracking cookie in
a few years.
i was googling, had moderate safe search on, clicked w\o checking status.
picked up 13 trackers & 2 trojan d'loaders. slipped right through my active
x turn offs into my temp files. lesson learned, no matter how many years
being 'safe' never become so blaise' i won't forget the status bar check
again. LOL!
TL

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Troll_Lady

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Sep 8, 2007, 4:46:38 AM9/8/07

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i followed directions at grc for turning off tcp\ip stuff that i don't need.
i dunno' or have forgotten exactly what but it concerned 'net bios' ?

ah.... my windows firewall won't block my games nor wmp from outgoing. i can
upload a screen shot of why i use a 3rd party fw. one session of listening
to wmp, it tried over 700 times to access the 'net.

i play some old macromedia flash games, i enjoy the games but certainly
don't want them calling out. they get through windows firewall but not za.

also, windows fw will allow only 1 Mirc. i run a few bots + my own personal.
za sees it as 1 mirc, which it is, windows sees it as a few and only allows
the first to connect.

i do have a user account but i have to be able to upload\d'load, be able to
access things on the 'net that i need my admin account for. i've made it as
strict as i can and still do what i need.

thanks for the links and i'll make sure to read them. if windows fw could be
configured the way i want, i would use it.
TL

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Troll_Lady

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Sep 8, 2007, 5:07:12 AM9/8/07

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hey, BD.

"BoaterDave" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

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>I find that those who bottom post confuse me - those that both top *and*
>bottom post confuse me even more! <g>

<EG> you are easily confused. np..

>
> Have you tried Dustin's BugHunter programme, Li? I've heard that it's
> very good.

no, i haven't tried it yet. it's on my list of new toys to play with but
i've just not had time. i like the screen shots and the look of it. no extra
unwanted bells & whistles.
what is your oinion of it?

TL
>
> BD
>
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BoaterDave

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Sep 8, 2007, 5:34:40 AM9/8/07

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It found items that no on-line scanners had done - and removed the offending
'nasties'!

If Dustin now concentrates on making BugHunter more 'user fiendly' - perhaps
with a 'glossy coat' - he might well be on his way to making a fortune!

There sure is a need, IMO, for someone to help weed out the bad things
happening on the 'net nowadays! <g>

BD

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Sep 9, 2007, 11:27:38 AM9/9/07

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In XP because there is no real security for services and also because most
software firewalls hack the kernel, running a software firewall may actually
decrease your security. If an exploit is found in the firewall software the
malware has direct access to the kernel bypassing any other security you may
have in place. Exploits have been found and exploited by malware both in
Zone Alarm and Norton Internet Security. The exploits were quickly patched
but it does prove my point. I agree it is sometimes nice to know what is
trying to phone home but for me the possible security risk of a software
firewall outweighs that minor benefit. This is just the security
implications of running a software firewall. I can't tell you how many
service calls I've been paid for to fix a networking problem that was caused
by a misconfigured or corrupted software firewall.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

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imbe...@googlemail.com

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Sep 13, 2007, 8:22:28 AM9/13/07

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On Sep 3, 5:41 pm, Dustin Cook <bughunter.dus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "BoaterDave" <BoaterD...@nospam.invalid> wrote innews:ujUFSzj7...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>
> > Earlier today I posted a message to thank you, Kayman, for listing so
> > much helpful information.
>
> > When I checked half an hour later, my header had a horizontal line
> > struck through it with a corresponding message saying that my message
> > had been deleted from the server.
>
> Hi Dave. Your post arrived fine here. Just because one newserver cancels a
> post doesn't mean they all will. Are you sure you didn't cancel it by
> mistake?
>
> --
> Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - v2.2d

> Email.: bughunter.dus...@gmail.com

> Web...:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
> Pad...:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
> PGP...:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bughunter.dustin.txt

Hi Dustin - you were right (again!) - I found it on Google Groups, so
I wasn' dreaming after all! <g>

BD

BoaterDave

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Sep 27, 2007, 7:47:33 PM9/27/07

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Hello Li

"Troll_Lady" <TL...@DogAgent.com> wrote in message

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> thanks!
> yes, i did go to your site and look at bug hunter.
> i might add it.
> it looks simple and does what it's meant to do.
> TL
> OH!
> haha on making me nervous. i hadn't seen had so much as a tracking cookie
> in a few years.
> i was googling, had moderate safe search on, clicked w\o checking status.
> picked up 13 trackers & 2 trojan d'loaders. slipped right through my
> active x turn offs into my temp files. lesson learned, no matter how many
> years being 'safe' never become so blaise' i won't forget the status bar
> check again. LOL!
> TL

I'd be most grateful if you would explain what programmes you used to
determine that you had inadvertently attracted two Trojan Downloaders onto
your machine. Did you actively seek to discover same or did your protection
pinpoint them automatically without your involvement? If the former, what
prompted you to search for them?

I'd also appreciate your advice on carrying out 'the status bar check' -
what is it? (Google didn't help me!)

TIA

BD

Leo

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Sep 27, 2007, 7:55:24 PM9/27/07

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Welcome back. How was the "cruise?"

--
Leo

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to
teenage boys."

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BoaterDave

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Sep 27, 2007, 8:15:44 PM9/27/07

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Thanks for that Leo - 'twas a refreshing experience! :)

Dave

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BoaterDave

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Oct 10, 2007, 10:26:58 PM10/10/07

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Good, thanks Leo!

Still waiting to hear from Li, though, in response to my query. :(

BD

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BoaterDave

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Dec 28, 2007, 6:01:46 AM12/28/07

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I'm very sad - I've *still* not heard from Li - in response to my query,
thus: :(

Dave

>> I'd be most grateful if you would explain what programmes you used to
>> determine that you had inadvertently attracted two Trojan Downloaders
>> onto your machine. Did you actively seek to discover same or did your
>> protection pinpoint them automatically without your involvement? If the
>> former, what prompted you to search for them?
>>
>> I'd also appreciate your advice on carrying out 'the status bar check' -
>> what is it? (Google didn't help me!)
>>
>> TIA

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Peter Foldes

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Dec 28, 2007, 10:19:07 PM12/28/07

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Wow. 2 1\2 month later the saga continues

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BoaterDave

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Jan 2, 2008, 6:10:32 PM1/2/08

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Hi Peter - Happy New Year! :)

FYI - here's a question posed to me elsewhere recently:

"Who or what is Peter Foldes?
My MVP Profile at Microsoft is publicly viewable.
My AumHa Profile is publicly viewable".

I thought just about *everybody* knew you, Peter! <wink!>

Dave

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BoaterDave

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Feb 25, 2008, 11:30:08 AM2/25/08

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Hello Li

I'm *still* awaiting a response from you! :)

How are you? (I hear Peter Foldes has been unwell - please give him my
regards)

BD

"BoaterDave" wrote:

> Hello Li

Troll_Lady

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Mar 8, 2008, 7:46:40 AM3/8/08

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in IE, view, status bar.
it will show real links at bottom left of window when hovered over, before
clicking.

i use many varied applications to keep my machine clean. my own surfing
habits are at the top of the list. i trust myself more than any program.

li

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BoaterDave

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Mar 9, 2008, 8:41:23 PM3/9/08

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Thank you, Li. I have checked in IE ....... and now understand. It's so
obvious when one knows the answer!

Although I have used IE for the best part of 20 years now, familiarity has
diminished with the use of my AOL browser - this does *not* have the same
status bar check facility. However, I use Firefox too ........ which *does*
have a similar status bar check, so I should have known. :(

I've discovered, though, that using this check is not fail-safe - malware
can still redirect to malicious web sites (because Windows can lie!)

I trust all is safe and well at Annex and that Mr Gooden's business has
recovered from its financial hiccup. I appreciate your post! :)

Dave

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Leonard Grey

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Mar 10, 2008, 1:38:03 AM3/10/08

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"...I have used IE for the best part of 20 years now..."

I don't think so. Microsoft originally released Internet Explorer 1.0 in
August 1995.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Internet_Explorer

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

BoaterDave

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Mar 12, 2008, 7:31:32 PM3/12/08

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> >> "BoaterDave" <BoaterD...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >>news:D9CF1052-EBB7-463E...@microsoft.com...
> >>> Hello Li
>
> >>> I'm *still* awaiting a response from you! :)
>
> >>> How are you? (I hear Peter Foldes has been unwell - please give him my
> >>> regards)
>
> >>> BD
>
> >>> "BoaterDave" wrote:
>
> >>>> Hello Li
> >>>> I'd be most grateful if you would explain what programmes you used to
> >>>> determine that you had inadvertently attracted two Trojan Downloaders
> >>>> onto
> >>>> your machine. Did you actively seek to discover same or did your
> >>>> protection
> >>>> pinpoint them automatically without your involvement? If the former,
> >>>> what
> >>>> prompted you to search for them?
>
> >>>> I'd also appreciate your advice on carrying out 'the status bar check' -
> >>>> what is it? (Google didn't help me!)
>
> >>>> TIA
>

> >>>> BD- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm embarrased now! You're quite correct. I just had a quick
recollection of buying my boys their first 'real' computer in 1983 - a
BBC Micro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro

For the life of me I can't now remember when I first went on-line -
certainly by the time I bought a Dell XPS in 1998! ;)

RJK

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Sep 10, 2008, 7:57:56 AM9/10/08

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I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header /
Properties, that I tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any
of it was what my OE / or MS GN server objected to with the "malformed
header" warning !

...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is
not appearing as it does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details |
Message Source ?

regards, Richard

"BoaterDave" <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cf1f6993-4d9a-43e0...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" <notatos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> e.g. ?
>>
>> From: "~BD~" <BoaterD...@nospam.invalid>
>> References: <OdCCegf3...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <Ok#FDu$4HHA.1...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
>> <efmicmI5HHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <eXkj9RJ5HHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
>> <XtGdnTPldJuFQlPbnZ2dnUVZ_hadn...@bright.net>
>> <Xns9997127BF7B03HHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <M4adnSamyaHcSVLbnZ2dnUVZ_vein...@bright.net>
>> <Xns99991C9459FA5HHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <cJudnfB5hf4nDk_bnZ2dnUVZ_sSln...@bright.net>
>> <Xns999CB36A7766EHHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <rLudndgZ9ZxOoUXbnZ2dnUVZ_ommn...@bright.net>
>> <Xns999E853BD1C6FHHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <epDBVsU7HHA....@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <Xns999F75E1EF697HHI2948AJD...@69.28.186.121>
>> <#tXjnLf8HHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>> <uqzLOCWAIHA.1...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
>> <D9CF1052-EBB7-463E-974D-295D419E2...@microsoft.com>
>> <BD.3fd...@news.home.local> <u6wrvsPEJHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>> <7648cfa1-c7aa-4247-8a84-ee760fe4a...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: The newbie's dilemma!
>> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:03 +0100
>> Lines: 43
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
>> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
>> Message-ID: <OyCGtHSE...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-0-202-70.as43234.net 92.0.202.70
>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677
>
> Hi Richard! Thanks for posting. :)
>
> Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
> 'References' have come from?
>
> Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
>
> Dave

FromTheRafters

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Sep 10, 2008, 9:15:49 AM9/10/08

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That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
little confused.

If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
topic structure laid out by the webmaster.

Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
the person that made that post because that person has probably
moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).

~BD~

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Sep 10, 2008, 9:25:32 AM9/10/08

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Moved to bottom post!

--

"RJK" <notat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OdfI4xz...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header / Properties, that I
>tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any of it was what my OE / or MS GN server
>objected to with the "malformed header" warning !
>
> ...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is not appearing as it
> does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details | Message Source ?
>
> regards, Richard

--

Hi Richard. You've no doubt noticed that when I post using Outlook Express, I'm using ~BD~ an my
'nickname'. When checking on *my* PC at the 4th in this thread, I see "References:
<OdCCegf3...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>". (Same as you in the first line of References)

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.

~BD~

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Sep 10, 2008, 7:56:22 PM9/10/08

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"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message

news:%23MuQkv5...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>

Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.

Dave

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FromTheRafters

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Sep 10, 2008, 8:18:42 PM9/10/08

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> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
> http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
> time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
> is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.

...and even this is no guarantee

> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
> I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing! :o)

FromTheRafters

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Sep 10, 2008, 8:33:30 PM9/10/08

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"~BD~" <Boate...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:eko9SD6E...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?pg=2&p=1&tid=fcbd6cf1-e372-4c05-a4ef-22433579473f&dg=microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb&cat=en-us-msdn&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us

FromTheRafters

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Sep 10, 2008, 8:36:35 PM9/10/08

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I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
may be of interest to you.

http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_groups/article_retention_rates.htm

"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%23MuQkv5...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>

~BD~

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Sep 11, 2008, 4:26:45 AM9/11/08

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"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:O0OL1Z6E...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
> may be of interest to you.
>
> http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_groups/article_retention_rates.htm
>

<snip>

Thank you FTR.

An interesting read. It also reminded me of the word 'Binaries' - an expression which I simply could
not recall when making a post recently! :)

Dave

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~BD~

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Sep 11, 2008, 4:52:02 AM9/11/08

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"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message

news:%23TRsGY6...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

<snip>>>>>
>>>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?
>>>
>>> It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
>>> for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
>>> oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
>>> your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>
>>
>> Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.
>
> Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?pg=2&p=1&tid=fcbd6cf1-e372-4c05-a4ef-22433579473f&dg=microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb&cat=en-us-msdn&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us
>
>
>
>

It is most kind of you to seek out such items for my review, FTR. Thank you!

Interesting comment there from Joseph, viz

"There is no firewall on the computer ..... "

Dave

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~BD~

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Sep 11, 2008, 5:00:22 AM9/11/08

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Ooops! My finger slipped! Sorry!

PA Bear [MS MVP]

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Sep 11, 2008, 11:28:34 AM9/11/08

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>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
>> servers?

The default rention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

~BD~

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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ur63$OCFJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

--

Thank you, Robear :)

BD

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~BD~

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Sep 12, 2008, 8:23:31 PM9/12/08

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I couldn't send this in the original thread position, so trying here!

Hi FTR.... in-line

"FromTheRafters" <err...@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:%23Tn01P6...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
>> http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
>
> I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
> really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
>
>> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
>> maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
>> there somewhere though!
>
> I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Thank you. Maybe you will in due course!

>> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
>
> It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
> trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
> You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
> read various posts.
>
> ...and even this is no guarantee

Hahaha! :) Maybe you'll have time to peek here:-
http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=20&p=27599&#entry27599

>> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.
>
> Information is a good thing! :o)

Indeed. That's what our P o l i c e told me! <wink>

Cheers

Dave

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BoaterDave

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Sep 17, 2008, 11:01:10 AM9/17/08

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On 13 Sep, 01:23, "~BD~" <BoaterD...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I couldn't send this in the original thread position, so trying here!
>
> Hi FTR.... in-line
>

> "FromTheRafters" <erra...@ne.rr.com> wrote in messagenews:%23Tn01P6...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
> >>http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
>
> > I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
> > really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
>
> >> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
> >> maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
> >> there somewhere though!
>
> > I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.
>
> Thank you. Maybe you will in due course!
>
> >> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.
>
> > It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
> > trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
> > You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
> > read various posts.
>
> > ...and even this is no guarantee
>

> Hahaha! :) Maybe you'll have time to peek here:-http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=20&p=2...

>
> >> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.
>
> > Information is a good thing! :o)
>
> Indeed. That's what our P o l i c e told me! <wink>
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
> --

Link updated http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=40

~BD~

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Jul 8, 2013, 8:20:55 AM7/8/13

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BoaterDave wrote:

FromTheRafters

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Jul 15, 2013, 4:52:50 PM7/15/13

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~BD~ pretended :

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

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Jul 15, 2013, 8:22:24 PM7/15/13

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David H. Lipman used his keyboard to write :

> From: "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org>
>
>> ~BD~ brought next idea :
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> ~BD~ pretended :
>>>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>>>>
>>>> Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.
>>>
>>> Do you have another one?
>>
>> No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed on that
>> page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was posting to
>> those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.* hierarchy so I
>> eventually switched to motzarella.
>>
>
> There's 10's of thousands of Usenet news groups and he's asking for an
> exhaustive list ?
>
> Bwaahahahahahahahahahah
>
> One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.

Not really, he was looking at a list of microsoft.public.* hierarchy at
"aumha" which doesn't list m.p.t but does list m.p.t.h - I recall
seeing m.p.t and m.p.t.h in the list from the MS servers when I was
using them.

You're probably right though that his big NNTP service should have a
very good list of groups.

~BD~

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Jul 16, 2013, 5:18:43 AM7/16/13

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When last I reset my BT (Giganews) newsgroups there were over 110,000
groups listed.

One of them is microsoft.public.test1

The odd thing is, apart from a few items early on, all the rest have
been made by me - look ---> http://i39.tinypic.com/2rrpif6.jpg

I simply cannot believe that Microsoft set up that group - so who did?!!

~BD~

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Jul 16, 2013, 6:07:42 AM7/16/13

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I wondered if a header from one of those posts would be useful. So .....

Here's one:-

Path:
border1.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!novia!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!feeder.erje.net!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:51:19 -0500
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:51:19 +0100
From: ~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:6.0)
Gecko/20110813 Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.test1
Subject: Re: Annex Cafe
References: <l6CdnYMLrOfVRM_T...@bt.com>
<sOidnbzmLMAgOsnT...@bt.com>
<LNmdnWbFSKwhLMnT...@bt.com>
<LNmdnWHFSKx-LMnT...@bt.com>
In-Reply-To: <LNmdnWHFSKx-LMnT...@bt.com>
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complaint properly
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Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com microsoft.public.test1:56

~BD~ wrote:
> ~BD~ wrote:
>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>> http://www.annexcafe.com/forums/index.cfm#11
>>>
>>>
https://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.test.here/browse_frm/month/2008-08?hl=en
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <#kb#gEwAJH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
>
>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C%23kb%23gEwAJHA.4992%40TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl%3E
>

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/microsoft.public.security/HeXRp8yeyiU

Posts by Trolli

~BD~

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Jul 18, 2013, 5:55:10 AM7/18/13

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I remember that change-over!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/_bqt-6YIk5U/-jGVjStynfcJ

Do you know who pays the running costs at ES?

~BD~

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FromTheRafters wrote:
>> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
>> http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html
>
> I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
> really forums but only usenet web interfaces.
>
>> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
>> time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
>> is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!
>
> I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Such a shame you were just too busy! :-)

>> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

> It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
> trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
> You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
> read various posts.
>
> ...and even this is no guarantee
>

>> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
>> I do hope so anyway.
>
> Information is a good thing! :o)

It is! :-)

--
The only people who make a difference are the people who believe they can.

~BD~

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Sep 23, 2014, 4:18:31 PM9/23/14

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Do you trust RonNNN?

I heard a whisper that his daughter was converting to Islam - maybe to
become a 'sleeper'?

<shudder>

BurfordTJustice

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"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:4a2dnV-1vs4KSLzJ...@bt.com...

--

bd (david brooks of Devon)
Do you fuck children?

If so why?

Since as a "bad guy" hunter you refuse to go after
all the Pakis fucking British children one has to wonder why?

Did you fuck your own children or just others?
Do the Pakis share the spoils with you or maybe pay you off
if drugs?
Are you yourself maybe a Terrorist sleeper?

~BD~

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Sep 25, 2014, 5:56:28 AM9/25/14

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The only people who make a difference ....
..... are the people who believe they can! :-)