pixels or centimeters
Brad Dunzer
Arjen,
Beamer = Projector?
Try not in inserting the background but use Format/Background/ drop down the
color selector and chose Fill Effects then chose the Picture Tab and Select
Picture- if you want this as your master background throughout the whole
show then hit Apply All if just this slide then Apply only. This should fill
the whole screen with your background. A note though is that if you print
this and select PureBlack and white this background will not print.
On the setup proceedure you do not need to change the slide setup dimensions
from the standard SlideShow settings. PowerPoint will scale the show for the
resolution that the monitor settings are set for. So if your PC is set for
800x600 it will scale the slide to those dimensions.
Stephen it sounds like Arjen might have some detailed images in the
background that your technique for preparing the image might help...please
enlighten us again...
--
Brad Dunzer
In Focus Systems
brad....@infocus.com
Arjen Abbestee wrote in message ...
>I have to make a presentation in PP 97 on a PC. It is going to be shown
>with a beamer straight from the computer. Still pretty simple. I thought.
>Only that nowhere in the manual I can find a single word on how to set my
>presentation for 800 x 600 pixels. I can only set the "page size" to a
>certain amount of centimeters. A 800 x 600 pixels, 72 DPI (screen
>resolution, right?) measures 21,17 x 28,23 centimeters so I set the page
>size to that.
>Here comes the fun part. If I import my background image, which is exactly
>800 x 600 pixels, it should fit seamlessly in my background. It does not.
>It shows up a couple of centimeters smaller. Even though I powerpoint
>tells me the picture is 21,7 X 28,23 cm. If I set the image to "best for
>screen presentation: 800 x 600" (this is my own translation from Dutch) it
>resizes my image to about twice the size needed. I can ofcourse manually
>stretch the size of my image to fit. What remains is the fact that when I
>watch my presentation on screen (again 800 x 600 pixels) the image is
>blurred, thin (1 pixels wide) lines that should be white appear gray etc.
>It's clear that somewhere in the process my image is resized and therefore
>interpolated, losing the quality my client expects and pays for.
>
>So the question is: How do I make my carefully designed images appear as I
>intended them to look. Or in other words, how can I set my presentation
>size to 800 X 600 pixels and have powerpoint leave my images alone...
>
>Any help is appreciated,
>
>
>Arjen
>
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Arjen Abbestee
Arjen Abbestee
In article <uz0wjon...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>, "Brad Dunzer"
<brad....@infocus.com> wrote:
> Arjen,
>
> Beamer = Projector?
>
Yes, a beamer is a projector, not a BMW car. Sorry for that...
> Try not in inserting the background but use Format/Background/ drop down the
> color selector and chose Fill Effects then chose the Picture Tab and Select
> Picture- if you want this as your master background throughout the whole
> show then hit Apply All if just this slide then Apply only. This should fill
> the whole screen with your background. A note though is that if you print
> this and select PureBlack and white this background will not print.
>
Good suggestion although it does not solve my problem...
> On the setup proceedure you do not need to change the slide setup dimensions
> from the standard SlideShow settings. PowerPoint will scale the show for the
> resolution that the monitor settings are set for. So if your PC is set for
> 800x600 it will scale the slide to those dimensions.
>
This is exactly the problem... Eventhough there is no need to scale
anything (my original image is already 800 x 600) the image looks as
though it has been scaled up and down a few times.
> Stephen it sounds like Arjen might have some detailed images in the
> background that your technique for preparing the image might help...please
> enlighten us again...
>
> --
Who is Stephen? ;-)
Thanks
Stephen Rindsberg
That'd be me, I expect. The problem here is that PPT doesn't actually fill
the screen completely in slide show view. You'll note that you can move
your mouse outside the actual area it uses for image display. That means
that any calculations based on an exact 800x600 pixel projected image will
be a little off.
Try this: put up a blank white background image in screen show view, hit
printscreen to capture the image.
Paste the capture into a bitmap editing program. You should get exactly an
800 x 600 image with a bit of black border all around. Figure out how many
pixels are given over to border on each side (all four sides ... they may
not be equal/symmetrical). Subtract that from the theoretical size of the
screen to get your actual screen area in PPT. Aim for that as your ideal
image size.
As to why PPT brings your image in at odd sizes ... it generally respects
DPI/inches settings in TIFFs and the like, but with formats that don't
include this info, it figures out how many pixels there are then divdes
that by 96 (typical screen dpi for your display) to get the size in inches.
--
Steve Rindsberg
Prez, RDP (a slide imaging service)
http://www.rdpslides.com
Please direct newsgroup replies to the newgroup, where I'm a volunteer
NOT to Email, where I charge for private consultations.
If you wish to Email, remove the "x" from my reply address.
>
> Who is Stephen? ;-)
>
Arjen Abbestee
I figured it had to be you regarding the previous messages..
Thanks for the info, i'll try that.
Will this work for all displays or will these borders be different on
another computer?
I'll let you (and everybody else who is reading this) if this solves my problem
Thanks again
Arjen
In article <01bcd799$83616ea0$2554...@rdp.iglou.com>, "Stephen Rindsberg"
<xSt...@rdpslides.com> wrote:
--
Stephen Rindsberg
That's the one thing I'm not sure of ... whether it's the same on all
machines. Maybe we should organize some kind of wider test?
Brad Dunzer
i count 10 pixles...how about you?
--
Brad Dunzer
In Focus Systems
brad....@infocus.com
Stephen Rindsberg wrote in message
<01bcd799$83616ea0$2554...@rdp.iglou.com>...
>That'd be me, I expect. The problem here is that PPT doesn't actually fill
>the screen completely in slide show view. You'll note that you can move
>your mouse outside the actual area it uses for image display. That means
>that any calculations based on an exact 800x600 pixel projected image will
>be a little off.
>
>Try this: put up a blank white background image in screen show view, hit
>printscreen to capture the image.
>
>Paste the capture into a bitmap editing program. You should get exactly an
>800 x 600 image with a bit of black border all around. Figure out how many
>pixels are given over to border on each side (all four sides ... they may
>not be equal/symmetrical). Subtract that from the theoretical size of the
>screen to get your actual screen area in PPT. Aim for that as your ideal
>image size.
>
>As to why PPT brings your image in at odd sizes ... it generally respects
>DPI/inches settings in TIFFs and the like, but with formats that don't
>include this info, it figures out how many pixels there are then divdes
>that by 96 (typical screen dpi for your display) to get the size in inches.
>
>--
>Steve Rindsberg
>Prez, RDP (a slide imaging service)
>http://www.rdpslides.com
>Please direct newsgroup replies to the newgroup, where I'm a volunteer
>NOT to Email, where I charge for private consultations.
>If you wish to Email, remove the "x" from my reply address.
>
>
>>
>> Who is Stephen? ;-)
>>
>
Stephen Rindsberg
PPT97, NT4, OnScreen Show running in 1024 x 768 gives me a 1003 x 752
image.
Margins:
Top: 8 pixels
Bottom: 9 pixels
Left: 10 pixels
Right 11 pixels
Arjen Abbestee
Tried your suggestion and this works just fine! This is exactly the kind
of thing I would never have found out on my own. There is just no logic
involved is there?
I don't have the file at hand so I can't tell how many pixels up down left
or right, but my 800 x 600 W95 setting shows a picture of 779 x 584.
Sounds like the values you found are the same.
Thanks again
Arjen
In article <e7#Em6A28...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>, "Brad Dunzer"
<brad....@infocus.com> wrote:
> Top: 8 pixels
> >Bottom: 8 pixels
> >Left: 10 pixels
> >Right 11 pixels
>
> Windows 98 at 1024x768
> --
> Brad Dunzer
> In Focus Systems
> brad....@infocus.com
> Stephen Rindsberg wrote in message
> <01bcd806$1046a580$3254...@rdp.iglou.com>...
--
Cap'n Cook
>> Paste the capture into a bitmap editing program. You should get
exactly an 800 x 600 image with a bit of black border all around.
Figure out how many pixels are given over to border on each side (all
four sides ... they may not be equal/symmetrical). Subtract that from
the theoretical size of the screen to get your actual screen area in
PPT. Aim for that as your ideal image size. <<
My system is running at 800x600 - the PPT97 screen grab results in an
image in Pshop sized at:
Left -10
Top - 8
Right - 11
Bottom -8
thus 779x584
If I create a TIFF of that size (96 dpi), it still comes into PPT97 much
smaller. If I scale for slide show at 800x600 it leaves a border and is
offset from centre. Drag it to centre (holding down Alt key) and view -
a small border all round the image. Thus, a page having a bitmap will
project a smaller image area than one without. Or am I missing something
in this process?
--
Tony Cook, MS PowerPoint MVP
Computer Slide Express, Toronto
http://www.slide-express.ca
Stephen Rindsberg
> thus 779x584
>
> If I create a TIFF of that size (96 dpi), it still comes into PPT97 much
> smaller.
Check and see what size PhotoShop thinks it is in inches. As I recall, if
PPT finds that the incoming image is in a format that supports bogus inches
in the file, it respects them. To avoid that particular confusion, try TGA
instead, maybe? No, that'd give you 779/96 inches. Well, whatever, grab
the thing by the ears and scale it to precisely fill the working area.
Don't let it show any border atallatall.
Brad Dunzer
Manual drag works ok if you make the image the correct size outside of
PPT...thus the 7xx by 6xx you made were full screen so when you dragged them
full screen in edit mode they ended up at correct size when you went to view
them at 8 by 6. It gets really crazy when you have images smaller than full
screen that have detail in them.
Right now i am trying to trouble shoot one Win95 PC that insists on scalling
images to 150% when every other PC with the same software and files one them
scale the images only 120% when you use the scale best for slide show at
function...
Version 9.0...please oh please fix this...I think our TCO on this issue
alone could fund a small country.
--
Brad Dunzer
In Focus Systems
brad....@infocus.com
Cap'n Cook wrote in message
<099709151533...@NO-SPAM.slide-express.ca>...
>>> Well, whatever, grab
>the thing by the ears and scale it to precisely fill the working area <<
>
>Seems to be the only way to achieve full coverage - but I thought that
>dragging by the ears was a no-no for screenshow images - the once I've
>tried seemed OK though, so perhaps the manual scaling works.
Cap'n Cook
Stephen Rindsberg
>
> Seems to be the only way to achieve full coverage - but I thought that
> dragging by the ears was a no-no for screenshow images - the once I've
> tried seemed OK though, so perhaps the manual scaling works.
>
Pulling and pushing 'em would normally be considered A Bad Idea, but
considering that PPT's gonna do it for (to) you anyhow, by shoving it to
*exactly* the edges after you've cropped it to *exactly* the size it'll
appear in slide show mode, you stand a pretty good chance of getting it
*exactly* pixel for pixel on the screen.
Stephen Rindsberg
> Manual drag works ok if you make the image the correct size outside of
> PPT...thus the 7xx by 6xx you made were full screen so when you dragged
them
> full screen in edit mode they ended up at correct size when you went to
view
> them at 8 by 6. It gets really crazy when you have images smaller than
full
> screen that have detail in them.
Yeah, I hear that. Wild and Krazy Idea, though: crop the image to size
and scale for the size in pixels it'll occupy in PPT/screenshow mode. Put
black around it to fill to the size you know works right for screenshow.
Place it into ppt, size to full frame, then use PPT's cropping to nick off
the unwanted (and now unneeded) black surround. Talk about your
roundabout! <g>
>
> Right now i am trying to trouble shoot one Win95 PC that insists on
scalling
> images to 150% when every other PC with the same software and files one
them
> scale the images only 120% when you use the scale best for slide show at
> function...
>
Gotta WAG for you on that one too: check both PCs. Both running small
fonts or large fonts? Or are they different? See if changing that helps.
Some video drivers work at resolutions other than 96, too, and that would
likely change the way the scaling works.
Brad Dunzer
i will check that...someone has got to stop this madness. Let us get back to
the job of creating and crafting the message and look of the presentation
instead of solving the work arounds
Cap'n Cook
>> Manual drag works ok if you make the image the correct size outside
of PPT... <<
Thanks for the confirmation ,,, agreed, this is nuts.
Cap'n Cook
>> Pulling and pushing 'em would normally be considered A Bad Idea <<
Normally and abnormally - after yelling for years DON'T DO THAT, we now
have to DO THAT. Pity.
Wayne Wymore
Brad Dunzer wrote:
> Top: 8 pixels
> >Bottom: 8 pixels
> >Left: 10 pixels
> >Right 11 pixels
>
> Windows 98 at 1024x768
> --
> Brad Dunzer
> In Focus Systems
> brad....@infocus.com
> Stephen Rindsberg wrote in message
Hey, have any of the GDI resource problems been fixed in Win98? (Hope,hope...,
knock on wood)