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John O

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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This might be slightly off-topic, but I suspect
I'll get an objective response.

We're getting clode to buying a network printer.
We need postscript, duplex, 1200 dpi, and so on.
Our old Xante 8100 is just too slow and the print
quality ain't so good, even compared to an HP
2100!!! It's minutes per page for that sucker...

One of the guys here is stuck on the new Xante's,
the 3DN. PC Computing has nothing good to say
about it. On the other hand, they rave about the
HP 5000. EXCEPT, that the HP has Postscript Level
2 emulation, where the Xante has real Postscript.
HP claims that their emulator is really fast and
of course cheaper.

Is there a real difference, in practice, between
fake and real postscript?

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Steve Rindsberg

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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There have been differences between real Adobe PS and the PSclones
implemented on some printers. OTOH, there are also differences from one
implementation of Adobe PS to the next. <g>

I've heard *very* good things about the PS in Lexmark printers and their
drivers; I haven't heard much abuse directed at HP's clone PS, but HP's not
known for superb driver support, so that's a consideration.

I suspect that you already know this, but in case not, you're not permitted
legally to use Adobe drivers with non-Adobe PS printers.


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John O

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Sep 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/21/99
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Thanks, Steve. That issue about HP drivers was
learned from experience, they are really bad
sometimes. But the noise would seem to be loud if
there was a problem, unless nobody is really using
their stuff. Maybe the ps emulator was written by
the "A" team? ;-)

Here's why we're looking for the real ps: We send
a .ps file to the service bureau and they complain
that the file is no good. Hmmm, prints just fine
here, makes itself into a wonderful pdf... But we
have this Xante with, you guessed it, emulated ps.
So maybe the problem is truly that the service
bureau doesn't give us the proper settings.

BTW, I found that I can toss a real PS module into
my Laserjet 6p, which might work for testing some
of the files, don't you think? A print server and
we got ourselves a cross-platform *real* ps
printer!

So, is it legal to print Adobe fonts on an
emulated printer? :-P Geez, that legal stuff is
amazing. Just how does one get caught doing such a
thing, say, sending the file through the Adobe
driver to the wrong printer, not that I have a
clue what kind of drivers we use.... I appreciate
the legality but that seems silly to me.

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Steve Rindsberg

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John O <joh...@nospamheathkit.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Steve. That issue about HP drivers was
> learned from experience, they are really bad
> sometimes. But the noise would seem to be loud if
> there was a problem, unless nobody is really using
> their stuff. Maybe the ps emulator was written by
> the "A" team? ;-)

I follow a couple of the PS and PDF related newsgroups, and there doesn't
seem to be any major stink surrounding the HP PSclone. FWIW. <g>

>
> Here's why we're looking for the real ps: We send
> a .ps file to the service bureau and they complain
> that the file is no good. Hmmm, prints just fine
> here, makes itself into a wonderful pdf... But we
> have this Xante with, you guessed it, emulated ps.
> So maybe the problem is truly that the service
> bureau doesn't give us the proper settings.
>

Are you making PS files with the driver for the Xante? That might be part
of the problem. Remember all that stuff about PS being device independent?
Forget you ever heard of any such thing. Those days, if ever they were, are
long gone. Gotta use the driver for the specific device you're targeting
for output.

> BTW, I found that I can toss a real PS module into
> my Laserjet 6p, which might work for testing some
> of the files, don't you think? A print server and
> we got ourselves a cross-platform *real* ps
> printer!
>

My personal bias is always to have one Adobe PS printer in the place. If
nothing else, it gives me something to point to when I complain to another
RIP-maker about stuff that won't run on their clone. Gets their attention.

> So, is it legal to print Adobe fonts on an
> emulated printer?

Yes indeed. Remember: they're selling the fonts but giving away the
driver. They're not going to cut off their own nose to spite some
clone-maker's face, but they'll cut the clone-maker's nose off for him if
they can get away with it. <G>

> amazing. Just how does one get caught doing such a
> thing, say, sending the file through the Adobe
> driver to the wrong printer, not that I have a
> clue what kind of drivers we use.... I appreciate
> the legality but that seems silly to me.
>

Well, see, the new printers have internet capabilities, so if you mess up,
the AdobePolice will come crashing through your window in riot gear and ....

Nah. I think it's basically stated policy on their part so if they catch
some printer *vendor* giving away their driver, they've got the wherewithal
to go after them, or if you call them and ask why their driver's screwing up
with your HPClone printer, they can tell you to pound sand and we told you
so.

John O

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Sep 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/22/99
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Thanks again. We're doing all the things that
cause problems, and our print house hasn't a clue.
BTW, luckily we have no windows in our building.
(the original definition....)

Just to get something in this thread on the topic,
for some reason MS changed the default setting for
tables in Word 2k. When I send Ppt files to Word,
the notes cells will now break across pages, where
in 97 they didn't.
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