Motion Path 'Jumps'

[aussiem]

Hi, I just found this forum and it looks great. I hope you can help me
too.

I'm having problems with motion paths. I occasionally want to 'move' an
object from one point to another and have it remain at its destination
in the following slide. But even when I use guides to specify an exact
location, and then place the object centred there on the second slide,
there is always a slight jump between the two slides (I hope you know
what I mean).

I can solve the problem if I manually move the object on the second
slide through trial and error, but that, as you can imagine, is a realy
pain.

Any ideas? Btw, this happens both on 2002 and 2003.

Thanks

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[aussiem]

Thanks Sonia. I'll look for it as soon as I post this, but I wanted to
thank you first!

[aussiem]

OK, I haven't tried it much, but before I spend hours seeing if it
really is the solution, I thought it would be easier to post. Perhaps
someone can save me days of work.

The problem is (just to reiterate, and perhaps a little clearer) that
in Slide 1 I move an object using motion paths, and I want it to remain
in its destination position for the next slide. As it stands the only
way I have figured out how to do that is to place an image in the
position on the second slide. But that’s the problem, as there is
always a ‘jump’ between slides as the object moves slightly. Slightly,
but enough to annoy when you want it to be perfect.

Btw, this happens even when I use guidelines to have the motion path
end at where guidelines cross and I position the object in the next
slide at the cross.

Now having looked at the ‘Pick Up Position’ and the ‘Place Exactly’
tools, I don’t think they can help, as I haven’t (yet) found out how to
Place Exactly for a motion path.

Have I overlooked something obvious? I hope I have because then someone
out there not as stupid can help me!

Sorry for the length of this post, but I wanted to make it clear.

:confused:

[Michael Koerner]

Could you not just duplicate the motion slide, then remove the animations from
the duplicated slide. that way the objects will be in the same position on both
slides, and should not jump, when moving from one slide to another. At least
that is the way it works when I try it here.

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[aussiem]

>
> Could you not just duplicate the motion slide, then remove the
> animations from
> the duplicated slide. that way the objects will be in the same
> position on both
> slides, and should not jump, when moving from one slide to another.
> At least
> that is the way it works when I try it here.
>

That leaves the object where it started before the move, but I want it
to be where it 'landed' after the move.

[Michael Koerner]

I see what your talking about. I got around it by turning on the grid, scaling
it to the size I needed, turn on snap to grid, and played with that until I got
things lined up. I was working with a square object, so it was pretty easy. I
agree it would be a nice thing to have the coordinates for the center of the
object your working with displayed on the bottom of the screen. If your
inclined, you could always make a suggestion at
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp

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[aussiem]

Hi Michael

I'm dealing with objects that I've created in CorelDraw, and they're
harder to position. I've also resorted to adjusted the positioning
about a hundred times to get it right, but there must be an easier
way.

Anybody?

:(

[Michael Koerner]

I found, by centering the guidelines over the final motion point, duplicating
then centering the object over the guidelines, along with selecting snap to
grid, placement of complex objects goes pretty well. I do agree that there needs
to be an easier method. Sorry I was not much help.

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[aussiem]

Sorry, Michael, maybe I'm thick, but I don't know what you mean.

From what I understood, it seems that you're doing what I've been doing
- using guides to find the right spot - and that hasn't solved the
problem for me.

If I got it wrong, could you please elaborate so that even a cretin
like me can understand.

Thanks

[Michael Koerner]

I'm not doing anything special. I just moved the guides, so that they
intersected the center of the end point for my motion path. duplicated the
image, placed it over the guides. duplicated the slide, removed everything
except duplicated image. ran the slide show. If you want to send me a slide with
your motion path information, I'd be more than happy to have a look at it and
see what I can do. My real address is michael at oldfco dot ca

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Hi,

Build your slide, animate it to the point of where the path concludes. Then
get a screen shot. If you put the screen shot on the next slide, your object
will appear exactly where it concluded its animation. This was done at
PowerPoint Live, btw <g>.

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[Michael Koerner]

Kewl!

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[aussiem]

Thanks Michael and Glen for all your help.

Seems to me that Glen's way is the easier one, and it also seems that
Michael agrees. I've tried it and it works beautifully, but I still
have a few questions. (Now you didn’t really think you’d get off that
easily, did you?)

1. When I do a screen capture and paste the result it comes out bigger
than the slide, and I have to reduce the size to match the slide. Is
there a way of doing that without dragging handles, say, by using a
dialog box?
2. The pasted image is a full screen, right? So that means that I can
never again manipulate any of the objects on that image, which will
really cause problems later. If that’s true, then the only solution to
that problem I can think of is to make separate blank slides of
anything I want to move and keep in its destination, and add that to
the overall picture (I hope you know what I mean.) Or, once again, is
there an easier way?

Thanks again for all your help… and I certainly look forward to more of
the same!

[Michael Koerner]

Answered in line.

Thanks Michael and Glen for all your help.

Seems to me that Glen's way is the easier one, and it also seems that Michael
agrees. I've tried it and it works beautifully, but I still
have a few questions. (Now you didn’t really think you’d get off that easily,
did you?)

1. When I do a screen capture and paste the result it comes out bigger than the
slide, and I have to reduce the size to match the slide. Is
there a way of doing that without dragging handles, say, by using a dialog box?

1A - Select the image, right click, select Format Picture. From the Position
Tab, insert '0' for both the vertical and horizontal positions, from the Size
Tab Insert your slide width into the width window, making sure that the Lock
aspect and Relative to original picture size are both check marked. Click OK.
this will resize, and center your image.

I'm not a big fan of the copy/pasting of images directly into PowerPoint. I
prefer to paste into a paint program crop and size there before inserting.

2. The pasted image is a full screen, right? So that means that I can never
again manipulate any of the objects on that image, which will
really cause problems later. If that’s true, then the only solution to that
problem I can think of is to make separate blank slides of
anything I want to move and keep in its destination, and add that to the overall
picture (I hope you know what I mean.) Or, once again, is
there an easier way?

2A - I have not tried this. but once your satisfied with your screen
capture layout. I would try inserting your original image onto this slide,
positioning it with the imge in thescreen capture. Remove and place the screen
capture image back onto the clipboard, and then see how the transition lines up.
If the transition works, then you can manipulate your object again

[aussiem]

It's a week since your last reply, but I only noticed it now. I haven't
tried it yet, but thanks once again for your help.

[aussiem]

I figured since I've found such helpful people I'll chance asking here
something that I've asked in another thread but not had success with.

Is there any way of positioning guides exactly using a dialog box? When
I move the guides manually in 66% mode - which is what I'm working in -
the position I want is often jumped over, so I have to zoom and then
unzoom. As you can imagine, it's a real pain.

[Michael Koerner]

Not that I'm aware. If you click on View | Grid and Guides, the pop up that
appears gives you a few options.

I usually set my grid spacing, turn on snap to grid (grid does not have to be
visible to snap to it). then when I'm dragging the guides around the screen,
they snap to your grid. Holding your Ctrl key, when dragging will produce
another guide line. Hope this helps

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[aussiem]

Thanks for the advice, but I'd already discovered that.

Don't you find it surprising that there's no dialog box for setting
guides? I do.

[Michael Koerner]

Nope, I have my way of doing things, and the wheel turns smoothly <g>

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[aussiem]

In reply to Michael:

>
> 1A - Select the image, right click, select Format Picture. From the
> Position
> Tab, insert '0' for both the vertical and horizontal positions, from
> the Size
> Tab Insert your slide width into the width window, making sure that
> the Lock
> aspect and Relative to original picture size are both check marked.
> Click OK.
> this will resize, and center your image.
>

But that moves the object that I was trying to keep in position, and
that was the whole point. Or did I misunderstand something?

>
> 2A - I have not tried this. but once your satisfied with your screen
> capture layout. I would try inserting your original image onto this
> slide,
> positioning it with the imge in thescreen capture. Remove and place
> the screen
> capture image back onto the clipboard, and then see how the
> transition lines up.
> If the transition works, then you can manipulate your object again
>

Didn't seem to make sense the first time I read it, but now I think I
know what you mean. Sounds like a great way of doing it.

Thanks again.

[Michael Koerner]

But that moves the object that I was trying to keep in position, and
that was the whole point. Or did I misunderstand something?

Your question re the above was this:

1. When I do a screen capture and paste the result it comes out bigger than the
slide, and I have to reduce the size to match the slide. Is
there a way of doing that without dragging handles, say, by using a dialog box?

My reply was how to scale and center using a dialog box.