RIP WM6
Roger 2008
site because they won't even write their app for WM6.
Me, what I had to do to get streaming audio to my WM6 device is to stream to
a laptop and then use a Slingbox to stream my laptop to my WM6 device. Then
I can use the Slingplayer to receive audio only to keep my usage down.
Sure, I'll probably end up with an Android device sooner or later but I want
to find an Android phone or tablet with a better screen resolution than
1024x768. Any Ideas?
TIA
Todd Allcock
> Wow has WM6 been left in the dust and a perfect example is the
following
> site because they won't even write their app for WM6.
>
> http://www.iheartradio.com
>
> Me, what I had to do to get streaming audio to my WM6 device is to
stream to
> a laptop and then use a Slingbox to stream my laptop to my WM6 device.
Then
> I can use the Slingplayer to receive audio only to keep my usage down.
While iheartradio might not have an app, I find no shortage of streaming
radio on my WM6.x devices. tuned.mobi is a great mobile-formatted
website with links to hundreds of broadcast radio station streams,
Slacker radio has an app for WVGA devices, hacked versions of Pandora
("lifted" from some of the "exclusive" handsets it was bundled with) are
easy to find, there's a Last.fm app, and another great resource is a free
service at YourMuze.fm. It's a stream aggregating/transcoding service;
create an account, select any number of stations/streams and select what
format/bandwidth you want to receive it in, bookmark their mobile site,
and get a list of your stations and tap to play. I set the bandwidth low
for cell data use to minimize buffering, and crank it up for higher
quality when on WiFi.
Also, 181.fm streams all of their stations in a WM-friendly format.
Sometimes you don't need "An App For That"- you just need a few good
browser bookmarks! ;)
> Sure, I'll probably end up with an Android device sooner or later but I
want
> to find an Android phone or tablet with a better screen resolution than
> 1024x768. Any Ideas?
I've been playing with Android on my HTC HD2- I installed an SD-card
build so I can dual-boot between WM6.5 and Android 2.3. I only switch to
Android when I need a feature or app unavailable on WM, like Netflix or
when the kids want to play Angry Birds. Overall I just don't enjoy using
Android very much, and it doesn't play well "out of the box" with my MS-
ecosystem based content (no Outlook notes or tasks, no .wma/.wmv support,
a really crummy email client, etc.)
Hopefully WP7 will become something useful before my WM6.x devices give
out!
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
news:ith1pu$u23$1...@dont-email.me...
> At 17 Jun 2011 19:06:31 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
>> Wow has WM6 been left in the dust and a perfect example is the
> following
>> site because they won't even write their app for WM6.
>>
>> http://www.iheartradio.com
>>
>> Me, what I had to do to get streaming audio to my WM6 device is to
> stream to
>> a laptop and then use a Slingbox to stream my laptop to my WM6 device.
> Then
>> I can use the Slingplayer to receive audio only to keep my usage down.
>
> While iheartradio might not have an app, I find no shortage of streaming
> radio on my WM6.x devices. tuned.mobi is a great mobile-formatted
> website with links to hundreds of broadcast radio station streams,
tuned.mobi is what I used to use before it became illegal to surf from a
cell hone while driving in January of last year. BTW I used to use
tuned.mobi with the link of http://www.thestreamcenter.com/pda
I used to be able to pull up most those links without any extra software now
I will have to load something before I can play any of those links. Besides
the particular radio stations I'm looking for are not on their list and by
streaming it from my home computer I can also record it if I want to.
BTW I don't have to leave my home computer running 24/7 because I use a WOL
app to turn it on when it is needed and PCAnywhere to turn it back off when
I'm done with it.
> Slacker radio has an app for WVGA devices, hacked versions of Pandora
> ("lifted" from some of the "exclusive" handsets it was bundled with) are
> easy to find, there's a Last.fm app, and another great resource is a free
> service at YourMuze.fm. It's a stream aggregating/transcoding service;
> create an account, select any number of stations/streams and select what
> format/bandwidth you want to receive it in, bookmark their mobile site,
> and get a list of your stations and tap to play. I set the bandwidth low
> for cell data use to minimize buffering, and crank it up for higher
> quality when on WiFi.
>
> Also, 181.fm streams all of their stations in a WM-friendly format.
> Sometimes you don't need "An App For That"- you just need a few good
> browser bookmarks! ;)
I'll look into that
>> Sure, I'll probably end up with an Android device sooner or later but I
> want
>> to find an Android phone or tablet with a better screen resolution than
>> 1024x768. Any Ideas?
>
> I've been playing with Android on my HTC HD2- I installed an SD-card
> build so I can dual-boot between WM6.5 and Android 2.3. I only switch to
> Android when I need a feature or app unavailable on WM, like Netflix or
> when the kids want to play Angry Birds. Overall I just don't enjoy using
> Android very much, and it doesn't play well "out of the box" with my MS-
> ecosystem based content (no Outlook notes or tasks, no .wma/.wmv support,
> a really crummy email client, etc.)
>
> Hopefully WP7 will become something useful before my WM6.x devices give
> out!
In case you haven't noticed it yet Skyfire used to work great on a WM6
device. Notice I said used to work great because it doesn't work at all
anymore.
Todd Allcock
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> news:ith1pu$u23$1...@dont-email.me...
> > At 17 Jun 2011 19:06:31 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
> >> Wow has WM6 been left in the dust and a perfect example is the
> > following
> >> site because they won't even write their app for WM6.
> >>
> >> http://www.iheartradio.com
> >>
> >> Me, what I had to do to get streaming audio to my WM6 device is to
> > stream to
> >> a laptop and then use a Slingbox to stream my laptop to my WM6 device.
> > Then
> >> I can use the Slingplayer to receive audio only to keep my usage down.
> >
> > While iheartradio might not have an app, I find no shortage of
streaming
> > radio on my WM6.x devices. tuned.mobi is a great mobile-formatted
> > website with links to hundreds of broadcast radio station streams,
>
> tuned.mobi is what I used to use before it became illegal to surf from
a
> cell hone while driving in January of last year. BTW I used to use
> tuned.mobi with the link of http://www.thestreamcenter.com/pda
I mostly use it as a source, then bookmark my not used stations. (With
two young daughters, more often than not it's "Radio Disney!") :(
> I used to be able to pull up most those links without any extra
software now
> I will have to load something before I can play any of those links.
Yeah, I have Coreplayer installed which handles virtually anything I
throw at it.
> Besides
> the particular radio stations I'm looking for are not on their list and
by
> streaming it from my home computer I can also record it if I want to.
You might check YourMuze for those. Often much smarter folks than I have
already figured out the actual stream URLs hiding under the stations'
flash players or mobile apps, and you can usually make one-click
favorites out of them. (I copy some stream files into my Start Menu's
Program folders to make them "apps"- if I tap my "Beatles Radio"
shortcut, Coreplayer automatically runs with the BeatlesRadio.com stream
loaded.)
> BTW I don't have to leave my home computer running 24/7 because I use a
WOL
> app to turn it on when it is needed and PCAnywhere to turn it back off
when
> I'm done with it.
Cool. I run mine 24/7 for a number of reasons. I should get "greener"
and use WOL.
Yeah, like Opera Mini, Skyfire rendered all of the web content on their
end with their servers and just sent the "snapshots" back roi the mobile
device. They made some serious changes to their backend for their new
iOS and Android apps (now it only renders the Flash content on their end,
while the other content its rendered by the app itself.) This "broke"
the WinMo version of the app, and they decided there wasn't a good
business reason to update it.
FWIW, Opera 10 for WinMo plays a little (but not much) Flash content via
its Flash plugin.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
>
> You might check YourMuze for those. Often much smarter folks than I have
> already figured out the actual stream URLs hiding under the stations'
> flash players or mobile apps, and you can usually make one-click
> favorites out of them. (I copy some stream files into my Start Menu's
> Program folders to make them "apps"- if I tap my "Beatles Radio"
> shortcut, Coreplayer automatically runs with the BeatlesRadio.com stream
> loaded.)
Coreplayer? I think we talked about that before and I guess I'll have to go
for it now.
> Cool. I run mine 24/7 for a number of reasons. I should get "greener"
> and use WOL.
Yes, I keep a computer on 24/7 also so I know what you mean but you might
already have WOL. Most laptops and some desktops I've seen come with WOL
enabled by default. Here is a link to a program to help you try WOL:
http://www.cambridgevx.com/vxutil.html
The neatest part about that program is after you input the MAC address you
can add a short description of what the MAC address is for so you can easily
keep track of a few different MAC addresses.
The only real catch is, not all PCI network cards have WOL but the newer
ones do and if you are using a laptop it has to be pluged in and the network
has to be wired. After setting up the network card in WINDOWS sometimes you
have to run the laptop once and then shut it down before it will work. But
I've seen an old Dell laptop where all you have to do is plug in the
adapter, plug in the network cable and WOL.
But the real issue is how to pass the Magic Packet from the Internet through
a router. I lucked out because I had an old router that would allow me to
forward a port to 192.168.1.255.
> FWIW, Opera 10 for WinMo plays a little (but not much) Flash content via
> its Flash plugin.
Good point. I installed the Adobe Flash for Mobile on one of my old Windows
Mobile phones so I should check that out and see if it works.
Thanks
Todd Allcock
> Coreplayer? I think we talked about that before and I guess I'll have
to go
> for it now.
It's $30- I'm not sure it's with the investment given WinMo's lack of a
future. I bought it years ago. TCPMP, Coreplayer's open-source
predecessor has been expanded with plugins and is almost as functional.
Streamcenter's homepage covers what you need.
> > Cool. I run mine 24/7 for a number of reasons. I should get
"greener"
> > and use WOL.
>
> Yes, I keep a computer on 24/7 also so I know what you mean but you
might
> already have WOL. Most laptops and some desktops I've seen come with
WOL
> enabled by default. Here is a link to a program to help you try WOL:
> http://www.cambridgevx.com/vxutil.html
My network adapter apparently supports WOL but I've never bothered
setting it up- I run Outlook 24/7 to triage and archive my IMAP email,
using rules to move everything to the appropriate folders, etc.
> > FWIW, Opera 10 for WinMo plays a little (but not much) Flash content
via
> > its Flash plugin.
>
> Good point. I installed the Adobe Flash for Mobile on one of my old
Windows
> Mobile phones so I should check that out and see if it works.
If you're referring to the old Macromedia Flash app, it doesn't- been
there done that. It's Flash 7 (virtually useless today) and was
hardcoded for QVGA screens (it runs on modern devices, but only runs in a
small window in the upper corner of the display!)
Some of the old Flash Lite cabs running around work in certain builds of
Opera. It works on my HD2, but that device has Flash Lite 3.1
preinstalled,, so I assume that's what Opera is using.
Todd Allcock
>
> news:ith1pu$u23$1...@dont-email.me...
> tuned.mobi is what I used to use before it became illegal to surf from
a
> cell hone while driving in January of last year. BTW I used to use
> tuned.mobi with the link of http://www.thestreamcenter.com/pda
>
> I used to be able to pull up most those links without any extra
software now
> I will have to load something before I can play any of those links.
Besides
> the particular radio stations I'm looking for are not on their list and
by
> streaming it from my home computer I can also record it if I want to.
I emailed you privately, but I don't know if your address you use here is
valid, so I'll also put the info here:
It's not an elegant solution, but hopefully this helps. The bulk of the
iheartradio stations, (with the exceptions of the web-exclusive channels)
are the Clear Channel broadcast stations which StreamCenter took down
from their webpage last month at Clear Channel's request.
Apparently the link to any Clear Channel stream which will play in
Coreplayer (and the freeware TCPMP) is this:
http://www.surfmusic.de/media/kfi-am.m3u
Just substitute the call letters and band (AM or FM) for "kfi-am" above.
For example, 97.3 KBCO here in Denver is:
http://www.surfmusic.de/media/kbco-fm.m3u
Creating a shortcut in the start menu is a real PITA in WM6.5 compared to
6.1 and below. Early versions would display any file you stuck in
\Windows\Start Menu\Programs (or a subfolder of that) in the menu, and
tapping on the file would open in it the associated program.
Unfortunately, 6.5 only seems to display actual program shortcuts (.lnk
files) in the Programs menu.
(FWIW, I REALLY hate WM6.5 compared to 6.1 because of the new Start Menu
and the removal of the "Recent Programs" list. If the HD2 had a 6.1
"downgrade" available I'd have jumped on it!)
So, in 6.1, I could throw .m3u or .pls streaming playlists onto the menu
directly by droping them in my "Programs\Radio" folder, but in 6.5 I have
to manually edit a link to Coreplayer to add the playlist at the end of
the link contents using Total Commander. (E.g. 36#"\Program
Files\Coreplayer\player.exe" http://www.surfmusic.de/media/kiis-fm.m3u)
I have to do this for each stream I want a shortcut to. A better
solution, probably, would be to create a single document, whether a .txt
file, Word doc or HTML page, with the name and link for every stream you
want in a nice finger-friendly font size, make a shortcut for that
document, tap to launch it, and select the desired stream by tapping its
link in the doc.
Maybe I'll embarrass Clear Channel one of these days and toss a quick
faux iheartradio WinMo app together that contains the link to every CC
station and opens it in TCPMP, and upload it to freeware sites
anonymously to avoid the cease and desist letters from Clear Channel that
would most likely follow! ;)
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
Yes, I got your e-mail but it was to an account I had not checked in weeks
so you had to tell me it was there and thanks for the info.
FYI I tried to install that TCPMP player that has a link on
theStreamCenter.com/PDA page onto my phone and it erred out for some reason.
Since you tell me it works with Coreplayer I might just get a copy of that.
I hope Coreplayer will let you install it on a few different phones since
I'd like to try it on some of my old phones.
Todd Allcock
wrote:
> FYI I tried to install that TCPMP player that has a link on
> theStreamCenter.com/PDA page onto my phone and it erred out for
some reason.
Did you grab the right one? You need the " Pocket PC" version for
touchscreen devices; the "smartphone" version is for non-touch
devices.
> Since you tell me it works with Coreplayer I might just get a copy
of that.
> I hope Coreplayer will let you install it on a few different phones
since
> I'd like to try it on some of my old phones.
I've never had a problem. My one reg key has worked on a half-dozen
devices over the years.
FWIW, Handango has a 25% off sale today if you spend $25 or more,
which would make Coreplayer "only" $23.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
When I try to run the TCPMP player it says: Unexpected program failure
Please send "crash.txt" to the developers. Program will now exit.
Seems I'll try to get Coreplayer now.
Todd Allcock
Doing a little research tonight, I've seen that the "official" TCPMP
crashes on some newer devices (particularly WVGA.)
TCPMP is a little "long in the tooth" as the saying goes. The original
project was abandoned (the authors went on to make Coreplayer: TCPMP
stands for "The Core Project Media Player.")
Other people have tried to keep the original freeware project alive. I
downloaded a modified version tonight from XDA-Devs that works great on
my HD2 here:
<http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636423>
It already has the necessary codecs to play those Clear Channel streams,
and seems to handle them as good as Coreplayer does.
Certainly $23 won't break the bank, but 90% of Coreplayer is essentially
TCPMP, and the "extras" Coreplayer offers over its predecessor, like
YouTube playback and Library support, are already available in better
form in other apps like Google's WinMo YouTube app and the native WMP
respectively.
I used TCPMP for years. I originally bought Coreplayer for my AT&T Tilt
(HTC Kaiser) for one feature TCPMP couldn't offer: Coreplayer included a
reverse-engineered display driver for the Qualcomm graphics chip in the
Tilt.
[Warning! Boring History Lesson follows!]
HTC released the Tilt/Kaiser with a hardware graphics acceleration chipset,
but included no driver for it, so video playback was slower and jerkier
than on older, slower HTC devices. The usual online petitions and
threats of class-action lawsuits were tossed around on the blogs of the
day, but essentially HTC never did anything about it. Coreplayer came to
the rescue by integrating a "QTV" mode ("Q" for Qualcomm) that provided
smooth video playback (at least compared to the included WMP) on the
Tilt, at least for videos played in Coreplayer. My next device, a Sony X1,
used the same Qualcomm chipset, but by then, HTC included a driver (that
only worked in the native WMP), so Coreplayer still came in handy for
video formats WMP didn't handle, like Divx or YouTube.
I don't know if HTC shortchanged the HD2 video hardware our not. With a
1GHz processor, it's handled any video I've thrown at it without dropping
frames.
Now that I've installed this modified TCPMP on the HD2, I might use it
instead of Coreplayer. Coreplayer isn't very finger-friendly, and is
awkward to operate on the dpad-less HD2, but it looks like the guys at
XDA have made a lot of finger-friendly skins for TCPMP.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
Thanks and that works great but one of the three stations I listen to just
comes across as static but I can live without that station.
BTW after messing with another program tonight that would completely lock up
my phone I figured out I now have to install programs to the "Internal
Storage" for the program to work properly so maybe that was the only reason
the other TCPMP player didn't work.
I'll tell you how I managed setup shortcuts to the radio stations I listen
to. I'd put the URL into IE and then it would make a little file in the
root directory of my "Internal Storage" with a TCPMP icon. I then moved
that file into my "Launcher" directory. The only draw back is all I have
are three real little icons so I have to remember which one of the three
icons is for what.
Once again Thanks.
Todd Allcock
My pleasure. TCPMP should work in external storage as well. This HD2 is
spoiling me. With a half gig of internal storage memory all of my
programs are in internal memory, with my storage card just for media,
files, and backup data.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
I really like having that work and it now works with all three of the radio
stations I wanted.
BTW I tried the old TCPMP and even after installing it to the memory card it
still failed so I had to have the updated TCPMP.
Oh the other neat thing about the updated TCPMP is it has freeze frame.
Windows Media player will clear the screen when you press pause but TCPMP
will leave a still picture on the screen.
I think it is funny that if you watch the top part of TCPMP you can see it
say "iPhone Akamai" on the top of the screen as if they were not expecting a
Windows Mobile phone to see that text.
Once again thanks for helping me get the streaming radio stations to work
again.
BTW if you place "iPhone Akamai" into a search engine you will see that the
iPhone is working on streaming video too.
Todd Allcock
I believe these streams are used by the iPhone version of the iheartradio
app, which can't use iheart's flash player for obvious reasons.
> Once again thanks for helping me get the streaming radio stations to
work
> again.
>
> BTW if you place "iPhone Akamai" into a search engine you will see that
the
> iPhone is working on streaming video too.
Those feeds would probably work in TCPMP as well.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
It appears that way from that particular station.
> which can't use iheart's flash player for obvious reasons.
But if they keep increasing the screen resolution of the iPhone there will
be enough real-estate for the following screen:
http://www.kbco.com/mediaplayer/
>> Once again thanks for helping me get the streaming radio stations to
> work
>> again.
>>
>> BTW if you place "iPhone Akamai" into a search engine you will see that
> the
>> iPhone is working on streaming video too.
>
> Those feeds would probably work in TCPMP as well.
Probably. Now we just need to find a baseline link that we can use as a
model for a bunch more links. FYI I have put a bunch of links into one
directory and then I use File Explorer to select the station I want to
listen to.
I've given TCPMP a good test and I really like it. It even supports AVRCP
which is way cool but Windows Media Player will not let go of the bluetooth
controls so as soon as I try to take control with a bluetooth device then
Windows Media Player wakes up and takes the exact same command. So that
means if I'm using BT to listen to a playlist I'll have to use WMP.
Now what I'd like help with next is finding a VNC viewer that works with a
VGA screen. I've only tried one so far mentioned by the "Werner
"Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen" and didn't have any luck with it.
Plus I've tried a few different FTP programs that I never got to work but I
have another idea to try now.
Oh is there a particular browser I can use to make it look like I'm surfing
with an iPhone instead of Windows Mobile 6.1 device? I know there are sites
looking for an iPhone and I doubt if I'll ever get one because there are
things they can't do like get internet access via bluetooth.
Thanks
r_z_...@pen_fact.com
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>At 18 Jun 2011 18:36:48 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
>> Coreplayer? I think we talked about that before and I guess I'll have
>to go
>> for it now.
>
>It's $30- I'm not sure it's with the investment given WinMo's lack of a
>future. I bought it years ago. TCPMP, Coreplayer's open-source
>predecessor has been expanded with plugins and is almost as functional.
>Streamcenter's homepage covers what you need.
TCPMP works well for audio. It's main limitation (at least for me) is
lack of video support. I'm a big fan of CorePlayer.
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Todd Allcock
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> news:itnlgg$hfr$1...@dont-email.me...
> > At 20 Jun 2011 03:28:22 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it is funny that if you watch the top part of TCPMP you can
see
> > it
> >> say "iPhone Akamai" on the top of the screen as if they were not
> > expecting a
> >> Windows Mobile phone to see that text.
> >
> > I believe these streams are used by the iPhone version of the
iheartradio
> > app
>
> It appears that way from that particular station.
>
> > which can't use iheart's flash player for obvious reasons.
>
> But if they keep increasing the screen resolution of the iPhone there
will
> be enough real-estate for the following screen:
> http://www.kbco.com/mediaplayer/
It's not the real estate, it's Apple's silly war with Adobe over Flash.
Apple won't let Adobe put a Flash player on iOS devices, so any website
with Flash content needs "An App for That" which proffers the content in
an alternate format.
> Oh is there a particular browser I can use to make it look like I'm
surfing
> with an iPhone instead of Windows Mobile 6.1 device? I know there are
sites
> looking for an iPhone and I doubt if I'll ever get one because there
are
> things they can't do like get internet access via bluetooth.
Try this:
http://ww.freewareppc.com/communication/irisbrowser.shtml
The Iris Browser by Torch Mobile is based on Webkit, just like the
iPhone's safari Mobile, and mimics the iOS User Agent, so most websites
looking for an iPhone will be fooled.
Torch was purchased by RIM and Iris is now the underlying engine for the
browser in newer Blackberries. For that reason they've killed updates
and support for other platforms. Iris' UI is dreadful, and it's a little
slow, so it's my WinMo browser of last resort, usually used only when,
like you, I need "iPhone compatibility" for some reason.
Todd Allcock
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:27:35 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> >At 18 Jun 2011 18:36:48 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
> >
> >> Coreplayer? I think we talked about that before and I guess I'll
have
> >to go
> >> for it now.
> >
> >It's $30- I'm not sure it's with the investment given WinMo's lack of a
> >future. I bought it years ago. TCPMP, Coreplayer's open-source
> >predecessor has been expanded with plugins and is almost as
functional.
> >Streamcenter's homepage covers what you need.
>
> TCPMP works well for audio. It's main limitation (at least for me) is
> lack of video support. I'm a big fan of CorePlayer.
As am I. Given TCPMP's recent resurrection by hobbyists and WinMo's
limited future, however, I'm just not sure Coreplayer is worth $30 more
than its free ancestor right now, unless you have slow device that needs
Coreplayer's superior codecs.
For example, using the benchmark function in both playing an .mp4 video,
my HD2 topped out at 1.7mb/s with the XDA version of TCPMP I linked to,
and 2.5mb/s with Coreplayer. I never transcode mobile video anywhere
near 1.7, let alone 2.5, so either would be acceptable for me on this
device.
As I mentioned earlier, however, Coreplayer is a godsend for my slower
devices like the Tilt (now deceased) or my Palm Treo Pro (another HTC
device saddled with the Qualcomm chip and no appropriate driver.)
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
>
> The Iris Browser by Torch Mobile is based on Webkit, just like the
> iPhone's safari Mobile, and mimics the iOS User Agent, so most websites
> looking for an iPhone will be fooled.
>
> Torch was purchased by RIM and Iris is now the underlying engine for the
> browser in newer Blackberries. For that reason they've killed updates
> and support for other platforms. Iris' UI is dreadful, and it's a little
> slow, so it's my WinMo browser of last resort, usually used only when,
> like you, I need "iPhone compatibility" for some reason.
That browser works just great, it did exactly what I wanted it to do and it
was a great replacement for my non-working Skyfire. Thanks again.
BTW as of today I now have two Asus netbooks where the left mouse button
does not work all the time so I have to use double taps on the mouse pad
instead. Bummer.
Todd Allcock
No problem. We last seven WinMo users have to stick together! ;)
Frankly, if I could get Netflix and Hulu to work on WM6.5, I'd probably
stick with it until eBay ran out of devices to sell me! (Right now I
just boot my WM6.5 HD2 into Android when I need Hulu or Netflix. I just
wish it didn't take 2-1/2 minutes each way to switch between WM and
Android!)
In my house we have iPhones, Androids, a WP7, and a gaggle of WinMos.
There's still no better device for email, Outlook integration, and Office
docs than old-school WinMo. (And that includes the new WP7!)
> BTW as of today I now have two Asus netbooks where the left mouse
button
> does not work all the time so I have to use double taps on the mouse
pad
> instead. Bummer.
My only Asus is an original EEE PC with a 4GB SSD. The mouse buttons
still work (as well as they ever did, anyway- they've always been a
little touchy and need to be pressed in certain "sweet spots") but the
space bar practically needs to be hit with a 20# sledge to function.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
Funny and sad. Before I get my first Android phone I'm going to try a few
more things with my old WM6. One of the things that has really bugged me
about WM6 is for some reason I have had problems with the space in
PCAnywhere for Mobile. It will not let me input a space so I have to use
cut and paste when I need a space.
I never tried to track down exactly where the problem was until today and it
has something to do with the phone itself because when I installed
PCAnywhere for Mobile on a different phone I could use the space bar just
fine. And it doesn't matter if I use cellular or WiFi only that particular
phone has a problem with the space. It looks like I'll take my backup phone
and start from scratch to see if there is something else I install that
screws up PCAnywhere for Mobile.
Then after that I'll see if I can get VNC to work from my mobile phone. BTW
I'm still looking for a way to program my PVR from remote because my PVR
bitches if I use Remote Desktop or PCAnywhere and I am expecting it to bitch
about VNC also.
> Frankly, if I could get Netflix and Hulu to work on WM6.5, I'd probably
> stick with it until eBay ran out of devices to sell me! (Right now I
> just boot my WM6.5 HD2 into Android when I need Hulu or Netflix. I just
> wish it didn't take 2-1/2 minutes each way to switch between WM and
> Android!)
That is why I like to have a phone that can get the Internet via Bluetooth
from another phone. That way I only need service on one phone and can leave
the OS alone.
> In my house we have iPhones, Androids, a WP7, and a gaggle of WinMos.
> There's still no better device for email, Outlook integration, and Office
> docs than old-school WinMo. (And that includes the new WP7!)
I still have all my old phones except one and that happens to be my Sony
Experia that was like yours.
>> BTW as of today I now have two Asus netbooks where the left mouse
> button
>> does not work all the time so I have to use double taps on the mouse
> pad
>> instead. Bummer.
>
>
> My only Asus is an original EEE PC with a 4GB SSD. The mouse buttons
> still work (as well as they ever did, anyway- they've always been a
> little touchy and need to be pressed in certain "sweet spots") but the
> space bar practically needs to be hit with a 20# sledge to function.
Ya, well from my experience once a mouse button on an ASUS netbook starts to
give problems it gets worse and worse. Even now I have resorted to using my
wireless mouse.
Once again, thanks because I really enjoy having access to all sorts of
radio stations from my old Windows Mobile 6.1 phone.
Roger 2008
"Roger 2008" <rw...@att.net> wrote in message
news:1tWdncv8derNJ57T...@giganews.com...
>
> I never tried to track down exactly where the problem was until today and
> it has something to do with the phone itself because when I installed
> PCAnywhere for Mobile on a different phone I could use the space bar just
> fine. And it doesn't matter if I use cellular or WiFi only that
> particular phone has a problem with the space. It looks like I'll take my
> backup phone and start from scratch to see if there is something else I
> install that screws up PCAnywhere for Mobile.
Update.
I installed PCAnywhere for Mobile on my backup Sprint PPC that only had
google maps installed on it and it had the same problem.
I looked at the registry settings on the PCAnywhere for Mobile that works
and the one that doesn't work properly and all three of them were the same.
Then I searched the Internet for "pcanywhere + spacebar" and found out
someone else had the same problem with PCAnywhere Version 10.5 and I have
version 12.1. but the search engine didn't take me to where the solution
was.
I also noticed that there were a lot of problems with PCAnywhere for Mobile
Version 12.5 so I don't know if I want to upgrade.
Oh bummer, looks like that is one issue I'll always have with PCAnywhere for
Mobile but at least it works properly on one of my PPCs.
Next task is to see what I can do with VNC.
Todd Allcock
> > We last seven WinMo users have to stick together! ;)
>
> Funny and sad. Before I get my first Android phone I'm going to try a
few
> more things with my old WM6. One of the things that has really bugged
me
> about WM6 is for some reason I have had problems with the space in
> PCAnywhere for Mobile. It will not let me input a space so I have to
use
> cut and paste when I need a space.
Is this with the stock WinMo soft keyboard? I noticed when using
LogMeIn, only the "small keys" version works properly. If I switch to
the "large keys" version (which I prefer) some keys register wrongly or
not at all.
> > Frankly, if I could get Netflix and Hulu to work on WM6.5, I'd
probably
> > stick with it until eBay ran out of devices to sell me! (Right now I
> > just boot my WM6.5 HD2 into Android when I need Hulu or Netflix. I
just
> > wish it didn't take 2-1/2 minutes each way to switch between WM and
> > Android!)
>
> That is why I like to have a phone that can get the Internet via
Bluetooth
> from another phone. That way I only need service on one phone and can
leave
> the OS alone.
That's actually what made me buy the HD2: the abject failure of Android
phones to connect to the net through my other phones. I originally
bought a cheap Android and intended to tether it to either my Xperia or
my Treo Pro, but Android doesn't support BT DUN or PAN, nor ad hoc WiFi,
so tethering to any of my WinMos or Nokias just didn't work.
The HD2 gave me a nice WinMo phone (once I obliterated all of the custom
HTC UI "improvements") as well as the ability to switch to Android on
demand for whatever apps/functions WinMo doesn't offer. (Android on the
HD2 is relatively stable. Apparently HTC "recycled" the HD2 hardware as
a few different Android models, so it was relatively ready for hackers to
create an Android ROM for the HD2; HTC already did most of the work.)
The Android build I use runs well, but locks up after about 24 hours of
continuous running. I haven't run Android that long since the novelty
wore off long ago.
FWIW, Android phones are great at allowing you to tether other devices
and computers TO them, but they don't easily tether to anything else. (I
tried a few hacks that would connect ad hoc, but only some 3rd-party apps
could "see" the connection- the OS, and therefore all of the native apps,
couldn't.)
> > In my house we have iPhones, Androids, a WP7, and a gaggle of WinMos.
> > There's still no better device for email, Outlook integration, and
Office
> > docs than old-school WinMo. (And that includes the new WP7!)
>
> I still have all my old phones except one and that happens to be my
Sony
> Experia that was like yours.
I have all of mine save for the eBay-sourced Tilt that died under a
Squaretrade warranty, so I returned it for (partial) reimbursement.
Now that I have the HD2, I stopped using the Sony, so that one will
probably end upp on eBay shortly while it still has some residual value.
I find myself using the Treo Pro occasionally for a few things the HD2
can't do; mostly infrared printing, plus its internal GPS is compatible
with the long discontinued "Mapopolis" software, which is handy when I'm
outside cell coverage. I also used it for LogMeIn, which isn't
compatible with WM6.5's IE Mobile browser, but I recently found an app
called "IE Toggle" that can switch IE between 6.5 and 6.1 mode. (Unlike
other platforms, LogMeIn runs as a browser plug-in on WinMo rather than a
standalone app, and development of the WinMo version halted before 6.5
was released. Also unlike other platforms, however, the WinMo version is
free instead of $30!)
> Once again, thanks because I really enjoy having access to all sorts of
> radio stations from my old Windows Mobile 6.1 phone.
No problem. When you run into something else you can't seem to make
WinMo do, you know where to find me! ;)
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> At 23 Jun 2011 17:12:37 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
>> > We last seven WinMo users have to stick together! ;)
>>
>> Funny and sad. Before I get my first Android phone I'm going to try a
> few
>> more things with my old WM6. One of the things that has really bugged
> me
>> about WM6 is for some reason I have had problems with the space in
>> PCAnywhere for Mobile. It will not let me input a space so I have to
> use
>> cut and paste when I need a space.
>
> Is this with the stock WinMo soft keyboard? I noticed when using
> LogMeIn, only the "small keys" version works properly. If I switch to
> the "large keys" version (which I prefer) some keys register wrongly or
> not at all.
I tried it with all the different soft keyboards, even the transcriber and
when using PCAnywhere for Mobile on a Sprint Diamond it will not send a
space to the other side. I even tried it with a bluetooth keyboard and that
failed too. But I have seen it work is on a GSM Diamond. Weird huh?
> That's actually what made me buy the HD2: the abject failure of Android
> phones to connect to the net through my other phones. I originally
> bought a cheap Android and intended to tether it to either my Xperia or
> my Treo Pro, but Android doesn't support BT DUN or PAN, nor ad hoc WiFi,
> so tethering to any of my WinMos or Nokias just didn't work.
>
> The HD2 gave me a nice WinMo phone (once I obliterated all of the custom
> HTC UI "improvements") as well as the ability to switch to Android on
> demand for whatever apps/functions WinMo doesn't offer. (Android on the
> HD2 is relatively stable. Apparently HTC "recycled" the HD2 hardware as
> a few different Android models, so it was relatively ready for hackers to
> create an Android ROM for the HD2; HTC already did most of the work.)
> The Android build I use runs well, but locks up after about 24 hours of
> continuous running. I haven't run Android that long since the novelty
> wore off long ago.
>
> FWIW, Android phones are great at allowing you to tether other devices
> and computers TO them, but they don't easily tether to anything else. (I
> tried a few hacks that would connect ad hoc, but only some 3rd-party apps
> could "see" the connection- the OS, and therefore all of the native apps,
> couldn't.)
You know what I mean. But if worse comes to worse I have a Cradlepoint
PHS300 so I could get regular WiFi from my old WM6.1 unit.
>> > In my house we have iPhones, Androids, a WP7, and a gaggle of WinMos.
>> > There's still no better device for email, Outlook integration, and
> Office
>> > docs than old-school WinMo. (And that includes the new WP7!)
>>
>> I still have all my old phones except one and that happens to be my
> Sony
>> Experia that was like yours.
>
>
> I have all of mine save for the eBay-sourced Tilt that died under a
> Squaretrade warranty, so I returned it for (partial) reimbursement.
>
> Now that I have the HD2, I stopped using the Sony, so that one will
> probably end upp on eBay shortly while it still has some residual value.
> I find myself using the Treo Pro occasionally for a few things the HD2
> can't do; mostly infrared printing, plus its internal GPS is compatible
> with the long discontinued "Mapopolis" software, which is handy when I'm
> outside cell coverage. I also used it for LogMeIn, which isn't
> compatible with WM6.5's IE Mobile browser, but I recently found an app
> called "IE Toggle" that can switch IE between 6.5 and 6.1 mode. (Unlike
> other platforms, LogMeIn runs as a browser plug-in on WinMo rather than a
> standalone app, and development of the WinMo version halted before 6.5
> was released. Also unlike other platforms, however, the WinMo version is
> free instead of $30!)
I miss my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 and if you really want to sell yours let
me know please.
>> Once again, thanks because I really enjoy having access to all sorts of
>> radio stations from my old Windows Mobile 6.1 phone.
>
> No problem. When you run into something else you can't seem to make
> WinMo do, you know where to find me! ;)
I looked at all the settings in Diamond Tweak to see if there was something
in there that could fix my spacebar and what I found was a way to keep the
WiFi active when it is in power saving mode. That means I can now use vxWeb
on WiFi with the screen turned off and I wanted to do that a long time ago.
Plus that means I do not have to wait for the WiFi to come back after I tap
the power button now.
http://www.cambridgevx.com/vxweb.html
BTW I just noticed there is an upgrade for vxWeb that I do not have yet so I
contacted Cambridge and they claim the only changes were for Windows Mobile
6.5.3. Hmmm maybe he meant 6.5. or 6.3.
Todd Allcock
wrote:
> But if worse comes to worse I have a Cradlepoint
> PHS300 so I could get regular WiFi from my old WM6.1 unit.
That'd work.
> I miss my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 and if you really want to sell
yours let
> me know please.
I doubt you'd want mine. A British friend sourced it for me from
England, where X1s are common ( and therefore relatively
inexpensive) so it isn't the North American version, and lacks the
850MHz 3G band, which is used by AT&T. Since I use T-Mo, who uses an
oddball 3G band, no Xperia would work for T-Mo 3G.
> BTW I just noticed there is an upgrade for vxWeb that I do not have
yet so I
> contacted Cambridge and they claim the only changes were for
Windows Mobile
> 6.5.3. Hmmm maybe he meant 6.5. or 6.3.
Actually 6.5.3 was the final version of 6.5. Sadly, there's no
official upgrade for my HD2, and the HD2 is stable enough I'm loathe
to fool around with unofficial ROM upgrades. (That's why I really
like the Android ROMs for the HD2. You don't have to flash the
device. The Android ROM sits on the SD card and you launch it like
an app.)
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
I saw the instructions for adding those skins after I installed TCPMP where
it says to add the skins to the same directory that TCPMP was installed in
before you run the program the first time because that way they will
automatically load.
Now I can't seem to get the skins to load. Do I still have to add those
skins to the same directory that TCPMP is installed in?
BTW I put TCPMP on my old Wizard and then added the following fix for the
WiFi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446175
Now I can use my old Wizard to stream audio via WiFi and hit the power
button to turn the screen off without turning off the WiFi.
You have to admit the Wizard is about the only phone out there with real
stereo speakers on it plus the Wizard can get as loud as about any PPC/phone
I know of.
FYI I just noticed the left button on my ASUS netbook started working again,
well at least for a little while.
Todd Allcock
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> news:itmlgh$j2e$1...@dont-email.me...
> >
> > Now that I've installed this modified TCPMP on the HD2, I might use it
> > instead of Coreplayer. Coreplayer isn't very finger-friendly, and is
> > awkward to operate on the dpad-less HD2, but it looks like the guys at
> > XDA have made a lot of finger-friendly skins for TCPMP.
>
> I saw the instructions for adding those skins after I installed TCPMP
where
> it says to add the skins to the same directory that TCPMP was installed
in
> before you run the program the first time because that way they will
> automatically load.
>
> Now I can't seem to get the skins to load. Do I still have to add
those
> skins to the same directory that TCPMP is installed in?
I don't think so- the skin choosing function keys you navigate the file
system. I loaded one, but can't find a way to "unchoose it" other than
select another. there doesn't seem to be a "default" option.
> BTW I put TCPMP on my old Wizard and then added the following fix for
the
> WiFi
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446175
>
> Now I can use my old Wizard to stream audio via WiFi and hit the power
> button to turn the screen off without turning off the WiFi.
>
> You have to admit the Wizard is about the only phone out there with
real
> stereo speakers on it plus the Wizard can get as loud as about any
PPC/phone
> I know of.
Yep. The Wizard was the best "transistor radio" (showing my age again)
phone out there. I still miss my Wizard. It died after an accidental
"sync" with a concrete tile floor!
> FYI I just noticed the left button on my ASUS netbook started working
again,
> well at least for a little while.
Enjoy it while it lasts! ;)
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> At 05 Jul 2011 06:40:44 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
>>
>> "Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
>> news:itmlgh$j2e$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> >
>> > Now that I've installed this modified TCPMP on the HD2, I might use it
>> > instead of Coreplayer. Coreplayer isn't very finger-friendly, and is
>> > awkward to operate on the dpad-less HD2, but it looks like the guys at
>> > XDA have made a lot of finger-friendly skins for TCPMP.
>>
>> I saw the instructions for adding those skins after I installed TCPMP
> where
>> it says to add the skins to the same directory that TCPMP was installed
> in
>> before you run the program the first time because that way they will
>> automatically load.
>>
>> Now I can't seem to get the skins to load. Do I still have to add
> those
>> skins to the same directory that TCPMP is installed in?
>
> I don't think so- the skin choosing function keys you navigate the file
> system. I loaded one, but can't find a way to "unchoose it" other than
> select another. there doesn't seem to be a "default" option.
I thought I read about that problem too. I thought I read the fix for that
was to try to select a skin then hit the cancel button.
>> BTW I put TCPMP on my old Wizard and then added the following fix for
> the
>> WiFi
>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446175
>>
>> Now I can use my old Wizard to stream audio via WiFi and hit the power
>> button to turn the screen off without turning off the WiFi.
>>
>> You have to admit the Wizard is about the only phone out there with
> real
>> stereo speakers on it plus the Wizard can get as loud as about any
> PPC/phone
>> I know of.
>
> Yep. The Wizard was the best "transistor radio" (showing my age again)
> phone out there. I still miss my Wizard. It died after an accidental
> "sync" with a concrete tile floor!
Yep, "transistor radio" fits it just fine and ouch about your Wizard.
My Wizard fell out of my pocket while I was shoveling snow and I didn't find
out till later that the stylus had come out. Even after using a metal
detector I never found that stylus so I've been using the second stylus that
came with it for years.
My Wizard shows signs of age but it is still in pretty good shape and I even
have a second battery for it if the first battery ever gives me a problem.
>> FYI I just noticed the left button on my ASUS netbook started working
> again,
>> well at least for a little while.
>
> Enjoy it while it lasts! ;)
Exactly. I know the drill where if the button failed once so it can fail
again. BTDT
Todd Allcock
I don't know. The skin I'm using works fine, so I don't really have any
reason to upset the proverbial apple cart.
> >> BTW I put TCPMP on my old Wizard and then added the following fix for
> > the
> >> WiFi
> >> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446175
> >>
> >> Now I can use my old Wizard to stream audio via WiFi and hit the
power
> >> button to turn the screen off without turning off the WiFi.
> >>
> >> You have to admit the Wizard is about the only phone out there with
> > real
> >> stereo speakers on it plus the Wizard can get as loud as about any
> > PPC/phone
> >> I know of.
> >
> > Yep. The Wizard was the best "transistor radio" (showing my age
again)
> > phone out there. I still miss my Wizard. It died after an accidental
> > "sync" with a concrete tile floor!
>
> Yep, "transistor radio" fits it just fine and ouch about your Wizard.
Actually it still sort of works. The USB port broke loose so I can't
sync or charge it, but it boots and runs fine. A long time ago I bought
some crap Hong Kong extra batteries and external charger on eBay, so I
can run the Wizard off one battery while the other charges in the
external charger and swap when the Wizard gets low. For sync I can use
BT or just transfer data with a card reader.
I just have too many fully-working devices to put up with that sort of
crap, though. I used to use the Wizard in that state for "dangerous
missions" (like a day at the beach where I didn't want to subject my
everyday device to sand and salt. These days I use a fully working $70
eBay Treo Pro for that.)
> My Wizard fell out of my pocket while I was shoveling snow and I didn't
find
> out till later that the stylus had come out. Even after using a metal
> detector I never found that stylus so I've been using the second stylus
that
> came with it for years.
The stylus "grabber" inside my Wizard broke loose, and I lost the
original two and about a half dozen eBay spares until I started wrapping
them in scotch tape to create a friction fit!
> My Wizard shows signs of age but it is still in pretty good shape and I
even
> have a second battery for it if the first battery ever gives me a
problem.
It was a great phone in it's day, but the original T-Mo firmware was
terrible. Subsequent fixes really improved it though. I flashed a
fairly stable unofficial WM6 ROM on mine shortly before the USB jack broke,
so I'm stuck with that now.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
Someone somewhere posted that I could add BT stereo to my Wizard and after
running the patch the biggest drawback on my Wizard is that biggest memory
card it can take is only 2 Gig.
BTW the fact my Wizard came with BT DUN came in pretty handy when I wanted
Internet on an iPaq and it was even neater when I found out I didn't have to
run any programs at all on the Wizard to get the BT DUN to work.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
>
> Doing a little research tonight, I've seen that the "official" TCPMP
> crashes on some newer devices (particularly WVGA.)
>
> TCPMP is a little "long in the tooth" as the saying goes. The original
> project was abandoned (the authors went on to make Coreplayer: TCPMP
> stands for "The Core Project Media Player.")
>
> Other people have tried to keep the original freeware project alive. I
> downloaded a modified version tonight from XDA-Devs that works great on
> my HD2 here:
>
> <http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636423>
I have some interesting news that I found out by using the above TCPMP.
There is about a 10 minute timeout on some Bluetooth connections. To see
that others have had a problem with the 10 minute time out all you have to
do is run a search on "bluetooth 10 minutes".
The way I found out about the 10 minute time out was to use a BT DUN
connection to my cell phone and then see how long TCPMP runs the connected
via BT DUN device before it quit. It would always stop working in 9 1/2 to
10 1/2 minutes.
I tried all sorts of registry edits to get TCPMP to keep working over 10
minutes and I could only find one way to keep TCPMP running and running and
it did not involve a registry edit.
What I had to do to keep a BT DUN connection alive was to run Slingplayer in
the background and set it up for sound only and then mute the sound. Weird
huh?
I know something else about BT DUN and that is if you can run a connection
at 900k+ you can lock up your phone so tight the only way to get unlocked is
hit reset or take the battery out.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> At 17 Jun 2011 19:06:31 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
>> Wow has WM6 been left in the dust and a perfect example is the
> following
>> site because they won't even write their app for WM6.
>>
>> http://www.iheartradio.com
>>
>> Me, what I had to do to get streaming audio to my WM6 device is to
> stream to
>> a laptop and then use a Slingbox to stream my laptop to my WM6 device.
> Then
>> I can use the Slingplayer to receive audio only to keep my usage down.
>
> While iheartradio might not have an app, I find no shortage of streaming
> radio on my WM6.x devices. tuned.mobi is a great mobile-formatted
> website with links to hundreds of broadcast radio station streams,
> Slacker radio has an app for WVGA devices, hacked versions of Pandora
> ("lifted" from some of the "exclusive" handsets it was bundled with) are
> easy to find, there's a Last.fm app, and another great resource is a free
> service at YourMuze.fm. It's a stream aggregating/transcoding service;
> create an account, select any number of stations/streams and select what
> format/bandwidth you want to receive it in, bookmark their mobile site,
> and get a list of your stations and tap to play. I set the bandwidth low
> for cell data use to minimize buffering, and crank it up for higher
> quality when on WiFi.
>
> Also, 181.fm streams all of their stations in a WM-friendly format.
> Sometimes you don't need "An App For That"- you just need a few good
> browser bookmarks! ;)
FYI today I saw the iheartradio app on an iPhone and I was surprised to find
out it does not have a pause button and I use the pause button on TTCPMP a
lot.
BTW I have used over 2.5 gig of data and I still have over a week on my
billing cycle. What that means is I would have hit a 2 gig cap if I had an
AT&T iPhone.
Todd Allcock
Wow. I don't stream that often. I'm using am ancient grandfathered
$6/month unlimited T-Mo data plan, so I try to stay under their radar and
keep usage low.
I use Yourmuze.fm, a free "middleman" service that converts streams on
the fly for mobile phones, for most of my streaming, and tend to knock
the data rate down to 40k or so.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
WOW that is a good deal.
I try to keep my video streaming down but I'm not as careful with audio
streaming so I might do that for hours on end.
Plus it is neat to listen to radio stations that I can't pick up locally.
> I use Yourmuze.fm, a free "middleman" service that converts streams on
> the fly for mobile phones, for most of my streaming, and tend to knock
> the data rate down to 40k or so.
I'll have to give that a shot one of these days.
As for my download speed, if I go through my home computer then my Slingbox
and set my Slingplayer up for audio only at Low quality Mono I can get down
to 20k and it doesn't make much difference when I'm listening to talk radio
which is most the time.
The only problem with that is Clearchannel likes to shut off your streaming
between programs occasionally to see if you are still listening.
Todd Allcock
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> news:j00ok8$qdg$3...@dont-email.me...
> > At 16 Jul 2011 23:06:55 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
> >> BTW I have used over 2.5 gig of data and I still have over a week on
my
> >> billing cycle. What that means is I would have hit a 2 gig cap if I
> > had an
> >> AT&T iPhone.
> >
> > Wow. I don't stream that often. I'm using am ancient grandfathered
> > $6/month unlimited T-Mo data plan, so I try to stay under their radar
and
> > keep usage low.
>
> WOW that is a good deal.
It's a really old data plan from the pre-smartphone days. Back then T-Mo
had two data plans- a proxied, port-limited service called "T-Zones" for
$5 (eventually $6) and a "full" web service with all ports open called T-
Mobile Internet for $20. Eventually they only sold the $6 plans for dumb
phones and the $20 plan for smartphones, then they stopped the port
blocking on the dumbphone version. (At one time HTTPS didn't even work
on the $6 plan- I used to drop to dial-up 9.6k CSD to hit secure sites!)
T-Mo forced grandfathered T-zones users to upgrade to a modern smartphone
plan if they use an Android or Blackberry, (claiming the plan isn't
"compatible" with those phones) but have never harassed Windows Phone
users (not even the new WP7 users) into switching. I recently upgraded
to my HD2 and wasn't forced to switch plans. (I also have a WP7-based HD7
that also works fine with my $6 plan, as does my wife's unlocked iPhone,
since they enforced the proper plans by IMEI, and non-T-Mo-branded phones
don't "count" as smartphones.)
Then, (continuing to the present) T-Mo dropped the whole smart/dumb plan
system and went to a straight tier system. Even with these new plans, T-
Mo has the best deal in data. All of their plans are unlimited, the
catch is that they throttle your speed from 3G to EDGE for the rest off
the month after you use whatever allotment if data you paid for. A 200MB
plan is $10/month, and 2GB is $20 on a regular monthly plan, they're only
$5 and $10 if you bring your own device and eschew any phone subsidies.
> I try to keep my video streaming down but I'm not as careful with audio
> streaming so I might do that for hours on end.
>
> Plus it is neat to listen to radio stations that I can't pick up locally.
>
> > I use Yourmuze.fm, a free "middleman" service that converts streams on
> > the fly for mobile phones, for most of my streaming, and tend to knock
> > the data rate down to 40k or so.
>
> I'll have to give that a shot one of these days.
It's a great service. You can aggregate your stations all on that one
mobile page. If I'm in the boondocks, where EDGE is all that's
available, it lets me listen to high bitrate stations by "dumbing them
down" to something EDGE can handle. I listened to BeatlesRadio.com for
several hours on an overnight drive between Denver and Omaha a few weeks
ago (I-80, I know you all too well!) all on EDGE, and all roaming. (T-Mo
probably won't be very happy with that bill!)
> As for my download speed, if I go through my home computer then my
Slingbox
> and set my Slingplayer up for audio only at Low quality Mono I can get
down
> to 20k and it doesn't make much difference when I'm listening to talk
radio
> which is most the time.
Try YourMuze- it accomplishes essentially the same thing without having
to remote into your computer to set up the streaming.
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
> At 17 Jun 2011 19:06:31 -0500 Roger 2008 wrote:
>> Wow has WM6 been left in the dust and a perfect example is the
> following
>> site because they won't even write their app for WM6.
>>
>> http://www.iheartradio.com
>>
>> Me, what I had to do to get streaming audio to my WM6 device is to
> stream to
>> a laptop and then use a Slingbox to stream my laptop to my WM6 device.
> Then
>> I can use the Slingplayer to receive audio only to keep my usage down.
>
> While iheartradio might not have an app, I find no shortage of streaming
> radio on my WM6.x devices. tuned.mobi is a great mobile-formatted
> website with links to hundreds of broadcast radio station streams,
> Slacker radio has an app for WVGA devices, hacked versions of Pandora
> ("lifted" from some of the "exclusive" handsets it was bundled with) are
> easy to find, there's a Last.fm app, and another great resource is a free
> service at YourMuze.fm. It's a stream aggregating/transcoding service;
> create an account, select any number of stations/streams and select what
> format/bandwidth you want to receive it in, bookmark their mobile site,
> and get a list of your stations and tap to play. I set the bandwidth low
> for cell data use to minimize buffering, and crank it up for higher
> quality when on WiFi.
I finally got some extra time and yep, yourmuze.fm is very neat because it
is not limited to clearchannel radio stations.
> Also, 181.fm streams all of their stations in a WM-friendly format.
> Sometimes you don't need "An App For That"- you just need a few good
> browser bookmarks! ;)
That site is pretty neat too and I've never heard some of the Beatles songs
it played. Too bad you have to have a laptop to see what song is playing if
you haven't heard it before.
>> Sure, I'll probably end up with an Android device sooner or later but I
> want
>> to find an Android phone or tablet with a better screen resolution than
>> 1024x768. Any Ideas?
>
> I've been playing with Android on my HTC HD2- I installed an SD-card
> build so I can dual-boot between WM6.5 and Android 2.3. I only switch to
> Android when I need a feature or app unavailable on WM, like Netflix or
> when the kids want to play Angry Birds. Overall I just don't enjoy using
> Android very much, and it doesn't play well "out of the box" with my MS-
> ecosystem based content (no Outlook notes or tasks, no .wma/.wmv support,
> a really crummy email client, etc.)
>
> Hopefully WP7 will become something useful before my WM6.x devices give
> out!
Maybe they will come out with a WM6 emulator.
Todd Allcock
Naah, you pull out the headphones, turn the volume up, run Shazam, and
let the device sample the audio coming from its own speaker! ;)
> >> Sure, I'll probably end up with an Android device sooner or later
but I
> > want
> >> to find an Android phone or tablet with a better screen resolution
than
> >> 1024x768. Any Ideas?
> >
> > I've been playing with Android on my HTC HD2- I installed an SD-card
> > build so I can dual-boot between WM6.5 and Android 2.3. I only
switch to
> > Android when I need a feature or app unavailable on WM, like Netflix
or
> > when the kids want to play Angry Birds. Overall I just don't enjoy
using
> > Android very much, and it doesn't play well "out of the box" with my
MS-
> > ecosystem based content (no Outlook notes or tasks, no .wma/.wmv
support,
> > a really crummy email client, etc.)
> >
> > Hopefully WP7 will become something useful before my WM6.x devices
give
> > out!
>
> Maybe they will come out with a WM6 emulator.
I wish! ;)
Roger 2008
"Todd Allcock" <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
Back to the "transistor radio" part. Not only does the Wizard work like a
transistor radio but when you use TCPMP it works like a transistor radio
with a Ten Band equalizer.
BTW it would really be cool if the step forward and step backwards in TCPMP
worked on streaming audio also.