Outlook express 6

[David Wells]

My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
print ok.



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[BillW50]

On 9/21/2011 4:29 PM, David Wells wrote:
> My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
> print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
> am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
> has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
> print ok.

Odd? Your header says you are using:

X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652

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[FromTheRafters]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message news:j5f4kf$m4l$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 9/21/2011 4:29 PM, David Wells wrote:
>> My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
>> print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
>> am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
>> has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
>> print ok.
>
> Odd? Your header says you are using:
>
> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652

What someone uses to post has little or nothing to do with the
substance of that post.

[BillW50]

You would think, but sometimes not. Plus IE8 and SP3 has been
problematic for some XP users (as problems like these pops up). I for
one am very sorry I installed SP3 on most of my machines. And luckily
IE8 didn't last too long on my XP machines. Although I'm stuck with IE8
on my Windows 7 machines though. :-(

[FromTheRafters]

"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message news:j5f83m$bsh$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 9/22/2011 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "BillW50"<Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message
>> news:j5f4kf$m4l$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/21/2011 4:29 PM, David Wells wrote:
>>>> My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
>>>> print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
>>>> am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
>>>> has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
>>>> print ok.
>>>
>>> Odd? Your header says you are using:
>>>
>>> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652
>>
>> What someone uses to post has little or nothing to do with the
>> substance of that post.
>
> You would think, but sometimes not. Plus IE8 and SP3 has been problematic for
> some XP users (as problems like these pops up).

Yeah, that's why I included "little". :o)

> I for one am very sorry I installed SP3 on most of my machines. And luckily
> IE8 didn't last too long on my XP machines. Although I'm stuck with IE8 on my
> Windows 7 machines though. :-(

I didn't have any problems at all with XP sp3, but that also has little
or nothing to do with your (or others) experience to the contrary.

The OP's problem does sound familiar; from the time shortly after IE8
came along; I sort of expected Bruce Hagen to guide the way to a
resolution by now.

IIRC there was something about OE using printing functions from
an IE related dll and some adjustments being needed after IE8
is installed.

[N. Miller]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:02:39 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> On 9/21/2011 4:29 PM, David Wells wrote:

>> My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
>> print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
>> am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
>> has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
>> print ok.

> Odd? Your header says you are using:
>
> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652

It is not uncommon for people to use different applications for news and
email; even when an application is a "mail and news client".

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[BillW50]

On 9/22/2011 9:52 AM, N. Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:02:39 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2011 4:29 PM, David Wells wrote:
>
>>> My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
>>> print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
>>> am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
>>> has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
>>> print ok.
>
>> Odd? Your header says you are using:
>>
>> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652
>
> It is not uncommon for people to use different applications for news and
> email; even when an application is a "mail and news client".

Maybe for some, but that would drive me nuts. As when I have a minute or
two to spare, I'll flash up my mail and news client and I can instantly
see if there are any new messages (either news or mail). Checking two
applications to do the very same sounds so unproductive to me.

[mac]

"David Wells" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> My outlook express 6 will not print the body of my e-mails . Just
> print down too subject line. Am running xp service pack3 and IE 8. I
> am not sure when this started. Have searched the web so far nothing
> has helped. Have installed Mozilla Thunderbird for now and messages
> print ok.
>
>
>
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See :
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=print+OE+%22message+body%22+mvp&btnG=Search&sitesearch=

[Peter Foldes]

David

OE has never been able to print messages that were sent in the HTML format since a
security fix which was applied 2 years ago. It was and is able to print when in text
format. Convert the message to text format and then print it

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"David Wells" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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[DAS]

Not sure what you mean there. I do not normally print OE messages but jsut
now I test-printed one in HTML (? in rich text with graphics anyway) and the
preview (didn't actually physically print) showed the whole message, address
fields, date, body etc.

I have XP SP3 & IE8.

Just to go back to basics, did the OP try File/Print...?...

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[BoaterDave]

Hi Bill

Any reason you are not using IE 9 on your Windows 7 machine?

Details here:-

http://internet-explorer.uk.msn.com/?form=OPTIE9&publ=OFFNET&crea=SITEACQ_CIMS016592_IE_EN-GB_0x0_56672

Dave

[David Wells]

It is my old XP machine that I am having trouble with outlookexpress
on.

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[N. Miller]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:06:27 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> Maybe for some, but that would drive me nuts. As when I have a minute or
> two to spare, I'll flash up my mail and news client and I can instantly
> see if there are any new messages (either news or mail). Checking two
> applications to do the very same sounds so unproductive to me.

When you have an application like Outlook Express, you have a "Jack of all
trades, and master of none". I don't find it half as unproductive to use
purpose build applications for the designed purposes as trying to fudge and
kludge a "one size fits all" application which doesn't.

[~BD~]

David Wells wrote:
>
>
> It is on my old XP machine that I am having trouble with Outlook Express.


That I understood! ;-)

My question was directed to Bill, not to you, David!

However, you might like to try using SeaMonkey instead - it's free, from
Mozilla!

Download, here: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

[David Wells]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:39:01 -0700, "N. Miller"
<anon...@msnews.aosake.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:06:27 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Maybe for some, but that would drive me nuts. As when I have a minute or
>> two to spare, I'll flash up my mail and news client and I can instantly
>> see if there are any new messages (either news or mail). Checking two
>> applications to do the very same sounds so unproductive to me.
>
>When you have an application like Outlook Express, you have a "Jack of all
>trades, and master of none". I don't find it half as unproductive to use
>purpose build applications for the designed purposes as trying to fudge and
>kludge a "one size fits all" application which doesn't.

I have now Installed Mozilla Thunderbird as my mail reader and works
well. I have not been able to get Oulook Express to print the body of
messages so for now will use Thunder Bird again thanks for all the
help

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[BillW50]

In news:1p97fde2e3ssj$.d...@kozue.aosake.net,

N. Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:06:27 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Maybe for some, but that would drive me nuts. As when I have a
>> minute or two to spare, I'll flash up my mail and news client and I
>> can instantly see if there are any new messages (either news or
>> mail). Checking two applications to do the very same sounds so
>> unproductive to me.
>
> When you have an application like Outlook Express, you have a "Jack
> of all trades, and master of none". I don't find it half as
> unproductive to use purpose build applications for the designed
> purposes as trying to fudge and kludge a "one size fits all"
> application which doesn't.

Not for me, OE6 is so fricken fast it leaves all of the other news
readers in the dust. Remember it was designed to run on computers made
in the 90's with super slow CPUs with tight disk space. And it stores
messages in a database which makes searches super fast. It is also easy
to automatically or manually select which messages to download for
offline reading and replying. Plus it has the hot feature (which I can't
find in any other reader) to "Show Replies to my Messages" with a mere
hotkey. And it does this without any configuring, nor any rules setup.

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[BillW50]

In
news:6949447.3920.1316775757033.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqnk41,

Because the newer versions from Microsoft are worse than the previous
releases. My theory is all of the great programmers at Microsoft have
retired by now. Thus all they have now is young clueless programmers who
thinks eye candy is far more important than features. Which eats up
resources and CPU power. And it is crazy IMHO to waste computer power on
nonproductive tasks.

I ran Windows 7 for example on three different machines with Celeron
CPUs. They all had 2GB of RAM. And just browsing the web, the
performance was awful! Throwing Windows 7 on a multicore CPU changes
everything. Now Windows 7 can browse the web very well. During my tests,
Windows 7 eats up about 333MHz of your CPU just for itself at idle. That
is just crazy IMHO. No wonder gamers and those interested in being
productive rather use XP instead.

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[DAS]

FWIW I also really like OE, especially for e-mail despite some drawbacks.

DAS
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[Peter Foldes]

Exactly as I see it also Bill. As for IE I use IE6 since it was the last version up
until now that you are able to work when programming is needed. IE7.8.9 is what I
call amateur hour. You cannot wok with it as you can with IE6 and previous versions
(some)

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"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message news:j64bb8$7l4$1...@dont-email.me...

[N. Miller]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:00:01 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> Not for me, OE6 is so fricken fast it leaves all of the other news
> readers in the dust. Remember it was designed to run on computers made
> in the 90's with super slow CPUs with tight disk space. And it stores
> messages in a database which makes searches super fast. It is also easy
> to automatically or manually select which messages to download for
> offline reading and replying. Plus it has the hot feature (which I can't
> find in any other reader) to "Show Replies to my Messages" with a mere
> hotkey. And it does this without any configuring, nor any rules setup.

I never noticed it to be faster. Sometimes it seemed to hang for no apparent
reason. Its database is far from robust; it was downright delicate. My first
step in setting up MSOE was always to create a customer "Identity", and then
blow away the default "Identity", as the default was prone to breakage. So I
was already having to "configure" MSOE before using it; beyond the normal
setup of adding server names and passwords. In my experience, MSOE needed
much customization to make it halfway usable; and some breakage could not be
fixed by any degree of configuration.

I only retained it for the HTTPMail (WebDAV) access to MSN Hotmail accounts.
With the conversion of MSN Hotmail to Windows Live Hotmail, and the
deprecation of WebDAV in favor of DeltaSync, MSOE lost any utility it ever
had for me.

[BillW50]

Kudos to Peter Foldes and DAS for their comments...

In news:7iwghtgd...@kozue.aosake.net,

N. Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:00:01 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Not for me, OE6 is so fricken fast it leaves all of the other news
>> readers in the dust. Remember it was designed to run on computers
>> made in the 90's with super slow CPUs with tight disk space. And it
>> stores messages in a database which makes searches super fast. It is
>> also easy to automatically or manually select which messages to
>> download for offline reading and replying. Plus it has the hot
>> feature (which I can't find in any other reader) to "Show Replies to
>> my Messages" with a mere hotkey. And it does this without any
>> configuring, nor any rules setup.
>
> I never noticed it to be faster. Sometimes it seemed to hang for no
> apparent reason. Its database is far from robust; it was downright
> delicate. My first step in setting up MSOE was always to create a
> customer "Identity", and then blow away the default "Identity", as
> the default was prone to breakage. So I was already having to
> "configure" MSOE before using it; beyond the normal setup of adding
> server names and passwords. In my experience, MSOE needed much
> customization to make it halfway usable; and some breakage could not
> be fixed by any degree of configuration.

I have heard these stories for many years. And I have had dozens of
computers with OE on them and I never had a problem. Not even the
Identity problem. The only one that ever popped up was the compacting XP
SP3 bug that hangs on folders.dbx in use error.

> I only retained it for the HTTPMail (WebDAV) access to MSN Hotmail
> accounts. With the conversion of MSN Hotmail to Windows Live Hotmail,
> and the deprecation of WebDAV in favor of DeltaSync, MSOE lost any
> utility it ever had for me.

For about the last 7 years I haven't had any POP email accounts (except
for one gmail account briefly back in '09), but all MAPI accounts. Which
is nice if you have multiple devices as they all stay in sync with each
other. And I believe the problems some people run into with OE6 are with
POP accounts.

[Peter Foldes]

All POP accounts in OE here and never a problem.

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"BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote in message news:j65883$f2j$1...@dont-email.me...

[N. Miller]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:19:13 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> For about the last 7 years I haven't had any POP email accounts (except
> for one gmail account briefly back in '09), but all MAPI accounts. Which
> is nice if you have multiple devices as they all stay in sync with each
> other. And I believe the problems some people run into with OE6 are with
> POP accounts.

I have used "Simple MAPI" with Pegasus Mail. Good way to set up to email
complaints generated by Sam Spade. Just tick the bubble for, "Send using
MAPI" instead of, "Send using SMTP". But I didn't know that MAPI could
synchronize accounts. Never saw any way to do that with "Simple MAPI".

[BillW50]

In news:j65mde$l6s$1...@speranza.aioe.org,

Peter Foldes wrote:
> All POP accounts in OE here and never a problem.

I haven't either, but some have. As they have had Main Identity problems
and local Inbox problems. And while MAPI accounts doesn't use the local
Inbox.

[BillW50]

In news:1oiy3gyg0yy20$.d...@kozue.aosake.net,

N. Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:19:13 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> For about the last 7 years I haven't had any POP email accounts
>> (except for one gmail account briefly back in '09), but all MAPI
>> accounts. Which is nice if you have multiple devices as they all
>> stay in sync with each other. And I believe the problems some people
>> run into with OE6 are with POP accounts.
>
> I have used "Simple MAPI" with Pegasus Mail. Good way to set up to
> email complaints generated by Sam Spade. Just tick the bubble for,
> "Send using MAPI" instead of, "Send using SMTP". But I didn't know
> that MAPI could synchronize accounts. Never saw any way to do that
> with "Simple MAPI".

Syncing is automatic with MAPI. So there is nothing to configure. Say
you received 100 new emails. Then say you read, deleted, and moved
varies messages. Now you don't have to do it with your other devices,
because they will automatically sync with what was already done.

[N. Miller]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 03:08:36 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> In news:1oiy3gyg0yy20$.d...@kozue.aosake.net,
> N. Miller wrote:

>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:19:13 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

>>> For about the last 7 years I haven't had any POP email accounts
>>> (except for one gmail account briefly back in '09), but all MAPI
>>> accounts. Which is nice if you have multiple devices as they all
>>> stay in sync with each other. And I believe the problems some people
>>> run into with OE6 are with POP accounts.

>> I have used "Simple MAPI" with Pegasus Mail. Good way to set up to
>> email complaints generated by Sam Spade. Just tick the bubble for,
>> "Send using MAPI" instead of, "Send using SMTP". But I didn't know
>> that MAPI could synchronize accounts. Never saw any way to do that
>> with "Simple MAPI".

> Syncing is automatic with MAPI. So there is nothing to configure. Say
> you received 100 new emails. Then say you read, deleted, and moved
> varies messages. Now you don't have to do it with your other devices,
> because they will automatically sync with what was already done.

I have no clients, not even Windows Live Mail, which allow me to set up MAPI
services. I don't use MS Outlook, or MS Exchange. Apparently, the default
email handler (which is Pegasus Mail on my system) automatically becomes the
"Simple MAPI" client. I've never tried to use MAPI to synchronize anything,
though it will send email from Sam Spade by calling Pegasus Mail as the
sending agent.

None of my email service providers offer MAPI; not AOL, not Gmail, not
Yahoo!, not Sonic.net (my ISP).

[BillW50]

In news:1f261s2s...@kozue.aosake.net,

Actually both AOL and gmail offer MAPI email accounts. Those are the
ones I am actually using for MAPI.

[N. Miller]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 15:01:13 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> Actually both AOL and gmail offer MAPI email accounts. Those are the
> ones I am actually using for MAPI.

Aha! They do not offer "MAPI" ("Messaging Application Programming
Interface")! As I said, Sam Spade sends through Pegasus Mail using "simple
MAPI"; but MAPI is not a sending protocol, like SMTP.

However, AOL and Gmail do offer "Internet Message Access Protocol" (IMAP),
as to the others I listed. I do have my accounts with them set up for IMAP
in several clients which have it.

[BillW50]

In news:18byquo7z5fen$.d...@kozue.aosake.net,

N. Miller wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 15:01:13 -0500, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Actually both AOL and gmail offer MAPI email accounts. Those are the
>> ones I am actually using for MAPI.
>
> Aha! They do not offer "MAPI" ("Messaging Application Programming
> Interface")! As I said, Sam Spade sends through Pegasus Mail using
> "simple MAPI"; but MAPI is not a sending protocol, like SMTP.
>
> However, AOL and Gmail do offer "Internet Message Access Protocol"
> (IMAP), as to the others I listed. I do have my accounts with them
> set up for IMAP in several clients which have it.

I know AOL calls itself as Simple MAPI or IMAP (or they used too
anyway). Gmail I am not sure. Although I do know if you set both up as
MAPI under OE6 or Thunderbird, it works perfectly fine.

[N. Miller]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 18:30:48 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> I know AOL calls itself as Simple MAPI or IMAP (or they used too
> anyway). Gmail I am not sure. Although I do know if you set both up as
> MAPI under OE6 or Thunderbird, it works perfectly fine.

MAPI != IMAP. The protocols are not the same, nor are the terms
interchangeable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_Application_Programming_Interface

"Simple MAPI" is a subset of MAPI. As I use it, MAPI allows an application
which has no native email capability to call a local email client (if that
client is Simple MAPI aware, and transfer content to the email client for
sending. Sam Spade is an application which can either use direct SMTP, or
Simple MAPI to send email. I know of no MAPI servers, though; nothing which
can be configured in a standard email client.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Message_Access_Protocol

IMAP is a server protocol which keeps email messages in the cloud, and
allows synchronization of email from different computers.

An application, such as MS Word, can use MAPI to transfer text from the
composition window to an email client, such as MS Outlook (which is a full
MAPI client, IIRC). But my experience with Sam Spade is that simple MAPI is
only capable of sending a composition; it is not capable of synchronization
to an IMAP server.

[BillW50]

In news:1fkdsn1fy5m9v$.d...@kozue.aosake.net,

I use OE6 and Thunderbird v1.5, v2, v3 and email stays in sync with all
of these programs. And I also use AOL email and gmail with the same
results. So I don't know what to tell you except it has worked for me
for many years now.

I have 14 computers here that I use regularly. And it doesn't matter
which computer I use or what email application, once online they sync
the email. Even if one computer hasn't been connected to the Internet in
a few years.

I really don't understand why more people don't use IMAP or MAPI? As if
you use more than one computer or more than one email application even
on the same computer, IMAP and MAPI is just wonderful! If I was stuck
with just POP, how would I keep everything in sync? Sure it could be
done, but what a PIA that would be.

Too bad there is no ability like this for NNTP. As that would be just
wonderful. As something as simple as flagging a message and they all
gets flagged on all of your applications and computers would be super
nice. The people who made themselves gods by telling us what standards
we are stuck with for the web and news obviously only have half a brain!
:-(

[N. Miller]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:55:17 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> I really don't understand why more people don't use IMAP or MAPI?

IMAP is which synchronizes email across different computer in different
locations. I think the fixation on POP3 relates to the fact that most of the
free Web mail services, if they offered client access, at one time only
offered POP3 access; and most ISPs still do (only POP3).

As I have stated, I have no interest in MSOE (since MS killed WebDAV), and
only use WLM for the HTTPMail access to Hotmail accounts (uses DeltaSync),
because HTTPMail is very like IMAP.

And, lately, Yahoo! has added IMAP access to their free accounts, as well.
New for them, useful for me.

And my current ISP, Sonic.net, LLC, offers IMAP as well, unusual as compared
with the big dogs.

[BillW50]

In news:ioqtut0t...@kozue.aosake.net,

Oddly enough, I was never interested in a Hotmail account. And oddly
enough, OE6 works with everything except Hotmail. Microsoft hasn't been
the same since all of the smart employees have retired.

Somebody was really thinking when they came up with IMAP. Maybe in
another 10 to 20 years, POP may be dead. As it takes some people awhile
to switch to something better.

I didn't know Yahoo now has IMAP for their free accounts. I have one
that gets like one email a month, but it still would be worth using for
sure. Maybe I would use it more if it was IMAP.

[N. Miller]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 13:41:12 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

> I didn't know Yahoo now has IMAP for their free accounts. I have one
> that gets like one email a month, but it still would be worth using for
> sure. Maybe I would use it more if it was IMAP.

It is fairly new, they don't announce it, and it may have something to do
with mobile access. I don't know if it will last; Yahoo! has a habit of
changing their game over time. Initially they had free SMTP and POP3 access.
Then, around 2002, they limited SMTP and POP3 to their paid email service.

Oddly enough, subsequent to SBC outsourcing email to Yahoo!, they bought
AT&T, rebranded from SBC to AT&T, and started offering free web mail in the
'att.net' domain through Yahoo!. Finally, they allowed subscribers leaving
their DSL service to convert their ISP email to free Yahoo! accounts.
Consequently, though I am no longer using 'at&t Yahoo! HSI', and haven't
been since June 15, 2011, I can still access my 'pacbell.net' accounts, and
can use the Yahoo! IMAP servers at: 'imap.mail.yahoo.com:993', with SSL.