trouble closing IrfanView

[Jo-Anne]

Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image viewer,
and over all I like it. One problem, though. When I open an image file that
is attached to an email, I then can't close IrfanView. I have to involve
Task Manager, and still I keep getting told for a while that the program
can't be ended. (It doesn't matter what format the picture is in; I've
opened JPEGs and PNGs, for example.)

If I open image files that aren't attachments, I have no trouble closing the
program. If I open attached files in either of the two Microsoft programs
installed on my computer, I have no problem closing the programs.

I updated IrfanView to the latest release, and there is no change. I emailed
Irfan Skiljan, and he said no one else has this problem. I'm curious if
anyone here has experienced this issue with either IrfanView or any other
image viewer.

Thank you!

Jo-Anne

[Jo-Anne]

[Elmo]

On 12/30/2011 7:17 PM, Jo-Anne wrote:
> Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image viewer,

> and overall I like it. One problem though. When I open an image file that

> is attached to an email, I then can't close IrfanView. I have to involve

> Task Manager, and still I keep getting told for awhile that the program

> can't be ended. (It doesn't matter what format the picture is in; I've
> opened JPEGs and PNGs, for example.)
>
> If I open image files that aren't attachments, I have no trouble closing the
> program. If I open attached files in either of the two Microsoft programs
> installed on my computer, I have no problem closing the programs.
>
> I updated IrfanView to the latest release, and there is no change. I emailed
> Irfan Skiljan, and he said no one else has this problem. I'm curious if
> anyone here has experienced this issue with either IrfanView or any other
> image viewer.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jo-Anne

Just a suggestion.. remove the program using the Control Panel's
Add/Remove Programs applet. Then install it again. This could help if
an association is damaged.

--

Joe =o)

[000-111-000]

"Jo-Anne" <Jo-...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:jdlkc5$mku$1...@dont-email.me...

You Using Win XP With a OE-6.

I hope the XP is a Sp3,
with Internet Explore 8,
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..

If so Uninstall and Reinstall Irfan View....

[BillW50]

On 1/1/2012 1:13 AM, 000-111-000 wrote:
> I hope the XP is a Sp3,
> with Internet Explore 8,
> Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..

I personally regret installing SP3 on some of my XP machines. Too many
things broke. System Restore won't launch, OE6 compacting hangs on
folder.dbx, KWorld Tuner fails, etc.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v9.0
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

[Don Phillipson]

"Jo-Anne" <Jo-...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:jdlke4$n0b$1...@dont-email.me...

> Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image viewer

> . . .

> and over all I like it. One problem, though. When I open an image file
> that is attached to an email, I then can't close IrfanView. I have to
> involve Task Manager, and still I keep getting told for a while that the
> program can't be ended. (It doesn't matter what format the picture is in;
> I've opened JPEGs and PNGs, for example.)

When IrfanView opens an item, it does so in a new window
(with the three boxes at top right including the X to close the
window.) I find Alt-F4 closes these windows almost without
fail. What is your experience?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[Bill in Co]

BillW50 wrote:
> On 1/1/2012 1:13 AM, 000-111-000 wrote:
>> I hope the XP is a Sp3,
>> with Internet Explore 8,
>> Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..
>
> I personally regret installing SP3 on some of my XP machines. Too many
> things broke. System Restore won't launch, OE6 compacting hangs on
> folder.dbx, KWorld Tuner fails, etc.

Wonder what it was that was specific to those machines, and not some of your
others? Losing System Restore capability sounds ominous. Wonder what else
broke. Well, I suppose since each computer is unique in what it has had
installed, and in its hardware, it would be hard to pinpoint the specific
cause.

The main reason I installed SP3 was in hopes of eliminating an intermittent
and obtrusive svchost bug that I had gotten at some point, which it did. (my
own efforts at tracking that elusive svchost bug down failed). Otherwise,
I probably wouldn't have. But unlike most folks, I miss the automatic
compacting in the background feature that OE used to have, so I now have to
do it manually. And there may be a few programs now that specifically
require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.

[Ken Springer]

On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.

I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

[Bill in Co]

Ken Springer wrote:
> On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
>> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.
>
> I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
> installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.
>
> --
> Ken

Interesting.
Well, I guess that's of special interest to those who actually use it. :-)

[Bruce Hagen]

"Bill in Co" <surly_cu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:x56dnV-AD6qiTJ3S...@earthlink.com...

Compacting in the background was the major reason for message loss. You
didn't know when it was happening so you didn't know not to shut down,
quit OE, send a message, etc. Getting rid of it and creating the automatic
backup files was probably the best thing they ever did for OE, and the
unsuspecting users.

gen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

[Bruce Hagen]

"Bruce Hagen" <B...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:jdqkut$9po$1...@dont-email.me...

Thinking back, SP2 made that change.
--
Bruce Hagen

[Bill in Co]

I'm aware of why they did it, and I guess that probably was a wise decision
on Microsoft's part, for most folks.

But I (for one) appreciated the automatic in the background thing, or at
least having that as an option. I never had an issue with it, but I was
very careful in what I was doing when it was compacting (you could hear the
disk activity it when it started if listened for it). The OE compaction
happened about 15 seconds after opening OE each and every time, but during
that time, I wouldn't be doing anything else. But I grant you that not
everyone would be that obsessively attentive. :-)

[BillW50]

In news:x56dnV-AD6qiTJ3S...@earthlink.com,

Bill in Co wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> On 1/1/2012 1:13 AM, 000-111-000 wrote:
>>> I hope the XP is a Sp3,
>>> with Internet Explore 8,
>>> Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..
>>
>> I personally regret installing SP3 on some of my XP machines. Too
>> many things broke. System Restore won't launch, OE6 compacting hangs
>> on folder.dbx, KWorld Tuner fails, etc.
>
> Wonder what it was that was specific to those machines, and not some
> of your others? Losing System Restore capability sounds ominous.
> Wonder what else broke. Well, I suppose since each computer is
> unique in what it has had installed, and in its hardware, it would be
> hard to pinpoint the specific cause.

The error System Restore would pop up was the following:

~~~~~~~~~
An exception occurred while trying to run
"C:\WINDOWS\System32\shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL SYSDM.CPL,System"
~~~~~~~~~

It would also pop up if you opened System Properties and click on the
System Restore tab. And a Google search suggests this happens after a
Windows update. The fix is to run (aka install) sr.inf which reinstalls
System Restore once again.

> The main reason I installed SP3 was in hopes of eliminating an
> intermittent and obtrusive svchost bug that I had gotten at some
> point, which it did. (my own efforts at tracking that elusive svchost
> bug down failed). Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have. But unlike
> most folks, I miss the automatic compacting in the background feature
> that OE used to have, so I now have to do it manually. And there
> may be a few programs now that specifically require SP3, although if
> so, I think it's a pretty limited number.

I have both SP2 and SP3 machines and I like SP2 much better. And I wish
I didn't install SP3 on the ones that I did. And those programs that
claim to require SP3... well those restrictions appear to be bogus, if
you ask me. As I haven't found one yet that also doesn't run under SP2
as well.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

[BillW50]

In news:jdqk04$ool$1...@speranza.aioe.org,

Ken Springer wrote:
> On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
>> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.
>
> I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
> installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.

If somebody rather use SP2 instead of SP3, I don't think they care much
about updates. Don't you think? Plus I could check, but I believe you
can still use Windows update even if you have SP2. Of course, since July
13, 2010 there will be no new updates since support has been dropped.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

[choro]

Been using IrfanView on both Win XP and Win 7 machines for some time now
and have had no problems with it whatsoever. Does what it is supposed to
do in a jiffy. I use it most of the time as my default photographic
software and rarely have recourse to other photographic software such as
Photoshop Elements, its Corell equivalent or the full Photoshop rival GIMP.

One thing though, is the opening page in IrfanView so dim and dark on
other people's monitors too? It certainly is on mine but thereafter the
screen appears quite normal once you start working with IrfanView.
-- choro

[Ken Springer]

I use it to check on optional updates.

They changed access to the site about 6 months ago, I'd guess. I didn't
note the date I discovered that in my personal diary. LOL I was
having to dig really deep into the cause of problem on an old Gateway 2000.

[Ken Springer]

On 1/2/12 4:15 AM, BillW50 wrote:
> In news:jdqk04$ool$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
> Ken Springer wrote:
>> On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>>> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
>>> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.
>>
>> I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
>> installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.
>
> If somebody rather use SP2 instead of SP3, I don't think they care much
> about updates. Don't you think?

True. But it depends on your perspective. I look at the updates as if
it was car insurance. I don't plan on having a wreck, but all the oil
leaked out of my Magic 8 Ball, so I have no idea of the future. So I
have optional collision insurance.

Likewise, I don't know if somewhere in the future I might need one of
the updates that's out there, so like collision insurance, I choose to
install them. The only high priority one I do not install is the Bing
Bar. I don't install toolbars in any browser, and I don't use Internet
Explorer as a normal part of "computering" unless I'm checking out a
possible problem with a web page, or manually accessing the update system.

> Plus I could check, but I believe you
> can still use Windows update even if you have SP2.

You could be right on Windows Update. But I have Office 2003 installed,
so I'm set up to use Microsoft Update, which gets me all the updates for
MS software that's supported by MS Update.

> Of course, since July
> 13, 2010 there will be no new updates since support has been dropped.

Do you mean support for XP SP2, or XP in general? If you mean just SP2,
you are correct. But, if you have SP3 installed, support is scheduled
to end on April 8, 2014.

I've had a lot of updates since July 13, 2010.

[DAS]

Just curious, what do you mean by "I don't use Internet Explorer as a normal

part of "computering" unless I'm checking out a possible problem with a web

page, or manually accessing the update system."?

Just that you use another browser? Or?

DAS
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---
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[BillW50]

In news:jdsai3$3tk$1...@speranza.aioe.org,

Ken Springer wrote:
> On 1/2/12 4:15 AM, BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:jdqk04$ool$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
>> Ken Springer wrote:
>>> On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>>>> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
>>>> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.
>>>
>>> I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
>>> installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.
>>
>> If somebody rather use SP2 instead of SP3, I don't think they care
>> much about updates. Don't you think?
>
> True. But it depends on your perspective. I look at the updates as
> if it was car insurance. I don't plan on having a wreck, but all the
> oil leaked out of my Magic 8 Ball, so I have no idea of the future. So
> I have optional collision insurance.
>
> Likewise, I don't know if somewhere in the future I might need one of
> the updates that's out there, so like collision insurance, I choose to
> install them. The only high priority one I do not install is the Bing
> Bar. I don't install toolbars in any browser, and I don't use
> Internet Explorer as a normal part of "computering" unless I'm
> checking out a possible problem with a web page, or manually
> accessing the update system.

For decades there were a small band of rebels who pointed out life is
sometimes better by not updating. And I heard from IT departments and
home users alike about some real horror stories about when updates goes
wrong. I understood what they were saying. But I still thought you were
better off updating, despite some small risks.

Until '08 when Asus sold me an EeePC 4G with Windows XP installed on it.
The drive (SSD) is soldered on the motherboard and is not upgradeable.
And there was no room for updates. I blame Asus and Microsoft for
selling licenses for such a machine. I thought for sure it was going to
be a malware magnet. And I would have to restore from a backup as
routine maintenance.

But a year later, no problems at all. I was very surprised. Since I have
over a dozen of other computers, I started to experiment with about not
updating half of them. And after four years, no problems whatsoever. So
nowadays I am wondering why I even bother with updates at all? About 25
years ago, experts used to say don't bother with updates or fixes unless
they fix a problem you are actually having. Strangely enough, I believe
this might actually be true today as well.

>> Plus I could check, but I believe you
>> can still use Windows update even if you have SP2.
>
> You could be right on Windows Update. But I have Office 2003
> installed, so I'm set up to use Microsoft Update, which gets me all
> the updates for MS software that's supported by MS Update.

I used Office 97 when it first came out and I quickly jumped on Office
2000. Since there was way too many bugs in Office 97. And updates
stopped for Office 2000 back in July of 2009. I manually downloaded all
of the updates for it so it doesn't matter if Microsoft keeps them
online or not. And it appears they don't have the updates online
anymore. Although I do know that at least 2 years ago, Office update
would update Office 2000 automatically.

Office isn't the only older application I like. But there is a whole
list of older applications that I like better. From IM applications and
many utilities as well. Even older versions of flash for the browsers.

>> Of course, since July
>> 13, 2010 there will be no new updates since support has been dropped.
>
> Do you mean support for XP SP2, or XP in general? If you mean just
> SP2, you are correct. But, if you have SP3 installed, support is
> scheduled to end on April 8, 2014.
>
> I've had a lot of updates since July 13, 2010.

Yes I mean support for XP SP2. And yes I know there have been a lot of
updates for XP SP3, as I still update some of them.

[Ken Springer]

On 1/2/12 9:13 AM, DAS wrote:
> Just curious, what do you mean by "I don't use Internet Explorer as a normal
> part of "computering" unless I'm checking out a possible problem with a web
> page, or manually accessing the update system."?
>
> Just that you use another browser? Or?

Yes, I use another browser, in my sig file here, on all my computers.
I've just never liked the "feel" from IE, and I've always known it's
slower than some other browsers and faster than some.

[BillW50]

In news:jdsorm$8eq$1...@speranza.aioe.org,

Ken Springer wrote:
> On 1/2/12 9:13 AM, DAS wrote:
>> Just curious, what do you mean by "I don't use Internet Explorer as
>> a normal part of "computering" unless I'm checking out a possible
>> problem with a web page, or manually accessing the update system."?
>>
>> Just that you use another browser? Or?
>
> Yes, I use another browser, in my sig file here, on all my computers.
> I've just never liked the "feel" from IE, and I've always known it's
> slower than some other browsers and faster than some.

I don't care much for IE7 and newer, Firefox, and Opera. But I always
loved Maxthon 1, 2, and 3. I hear tell that Google Chrome has taken the
number two slot and Firefox has fallen to number three slot. I don't
like Chrome either, but Chrome uses Webkit rendering engine which
Maxthon 3 uses too.

[Ken Springer]

On 1/2/12 10:29 AM, BillW50 wrote:
> I don't care much for IE7 and newer, Firefox, and Opera. But I always
> loved Maxthon 1, 2, and 3. I hear tell that Google Chrome has taken the
> number two slot and Firefox has fallen to number three slot. I don't
> like Chrome either, but Chrome uses Webkit rendering engine which
> Maxthon 3 uses too.

If you are talking about browser popularity, I think you are correct.

I use FF because of the cross platform ability and the huge amount of
customization I can do to it without being a programmer. If you are a
programmer, there's even more you can do.

Maxthon I've not heard of, but I have downloaded it for playing with at
some point.

[Ken Springer]

On 1/2/12 9:42 AM, BillW50 wrote:

<snip>

> For decades there were a small band of rebels who pointed out life is
> sometimes better by not updating. And I heard from IT departments and
> home users alike about some real horror stories about when updates goes
> wrong. I understood what they were saying. But I still thought you were
> better off updating, despite some small risks.

But the assumption is that MS is the source of all the problems. In the
Gateway I mentioned earlier, where there was a failure of one high
priority update. Like most, I initially thought the problem lie with
the update. Contacted MS Tech Support (free help for that update is
available if things go awry), and they worked on it for 2-3 weeks
without finding a solution.

Me, being the uneducated dummy (meaning no college degrees or
certifications in this area) sat back, watched, analyzed, thought, and I
found the problem. It wasn't MS at all, it was the LAN card. Changed
the LAN card and everything worked. *Exactly* what is wrong with the
LAN card I didn't investigate, although I have thoughts and suspicions.
The priority and goal was to get the computer working, not determining
the problem with the LAN card.

> Until '08 when Asus sold me an EeePC 4G with Windows XP installed on it.
> The drive (SSD) is soldered on the motherboard and is not upgradeable.
> And there was no room for updates. I blame Asus and Microsoft for
> selling licenses for such a machine.

I wouldn't use the word blame, personally. MS says "here's the minimum
needed to run the OS". It may run crappy, but it's not their job to
give you the best in all cases. They build Fords and Chevy's as part of
the product line, not just Lincoln's and Caddy's. ASUS simply builds
the very minimum in that netbook, as cheap as they can, as do others.
It's the consumer's responsibility to determine if the computer meets
your requirements. If you bought a Chevy Vega for a computer, and
expected the performance of an Impala, that was your choice, and your
responsibility to make sure the product would meet your needs.

> I thought for sure it was going to
> be a malware magnet. And I would have to restore from a backup as
> routine maintenance.

I've read and/or heard that very few infections these days are true
viruses affecting the OS, they are phishing attempts at getting your
personal info. I don't know if that's true or not.

I don't know how those malware programs find your computer, but
logically it would seem that how much the computer gets at websites
where the personal info would be needed may play into that.

And I'd bet most of those updates you been avoiding that are applicable
to the netbook were already installed.

> But a year later, no problems at all. I was very surprised. Since I have
> over a dozen of other computers, I started to experiment with about not
> updating half of them. And after four years, no problems whatsoever. So
> nowadays I am wondering why I even bother with updates at all? About 25
> years ago, experts used to say don't bother with updates or fixes unless
> they fix a problem you are actually having. Strangely enough, I believe
> this might actually be true today as well.

You may be right, but any update process would have to be geared to
solving the max number of possible issues, not dealing with specific
systems.

>
>>> Plus I could check, but I believe you
>>> can still use Windows update even if you have SP2.
>>
>> You could be right on Windows Update. But I have Office 2003
>> installed, so I'm set up to use Microsoft Update, which gets me all
>> the updates for MS software that's supported by MS Update.
>
> I used Office 97 when it first came out and I quickly jumped on Office
> 2000. Since there was way too many bugs in Office 97. And updates
> stopped for Office 2000 back in July of 2009. I manually downloaded all
> of the updates for it so it doesn't matter if Microsoft keeps them
> online or not. And it appears they don't have the updates online
> anymore. Although I do know that at least 2 years ago, Office update
> would update Office 2000 automatically.
>
> Office isn't the only older application I like. But there is a whole
> list of older applications that I like better. From IM applications and
> many utilities as well. Even older versions of flash for the browsers.

I know what you mean, as the motto at Oldversion.com says, "Newer is not
always better." But the flip side is, often there are features added
that you may want in a newer version, and you simply have to do without
if you stick with the older version.

I really liked using Word 6, but I doubt there's anyway way I can use a
PNG graphic with it unless I first convert it to an older graphics
format. The extra steps reduce efficiency.

And, of course, you don't have access to new features you may actually
wish to have by sticking with the older software.

It all depends on what you need. But in all cases, the world moves on,
and you may have to upgrade/update, or simply get off the train. :-)

As much as I enjoy this discussion, I think we'd better let it go. We
are so far off topic from Irfanview. LOL

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:29:30 -0600, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:

> In news:jdsorm$8eq$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
> Ken Springer wrote:
> > On 1/2/12 9:13 AM, DAS wrote:
> >> Just curious, what do you mean by "I don't use Internet Explorer as
> >> a normal part of "computering" unless I'm checking out a possible
> >> problem with a web page, or manually accessing the update system."?
> >>
> >> Just that you use another browser? Or?
> >
> > Yes, I use another browser, in my sig file here, on all my computers.
> > I've just never liked the "feel" from IE, and I've always known it's
> > slower than some other browsers and faster than some.
>
> I don't care much for IE7 and newer, Firefox, and Opera. But I always
> loved Maxthon 1, 2, and 3. I hear tell that Google Chrome has taken the
> number two slot and Firefox has fallen to number three slot. I don't
> like Chrome either, but Chrome uses Webkit rendering engine which
> Maxthon 3 uses too.

I'm with you entirely. Maxthon is far and away my favorite browser.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Bill in Co]

BillW50 wrote:
> In news:jdsai3$3tk$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
> Ken Springer wrote:
>> On 1/2/12 4:15 AM, BillW50 wrote:
>>> In news:jdqk04$ool$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
>>> Ken Springer wrote:
>>>> On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
>>>>> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited number.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
>>>> installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.
>>>
>>> If somebody rather use SP2 instead of SP3, I don't think they care
>>> much about updates. Don't you think?
>>
>> True. But it depends on your perspective. I look at the updates as
>> if it was car insurance. I don't plan on having a wreck, but all the
>> oil leaked out of my Magic 8 Ball, so I have no idea of the future. So
>> I have optional collision insurance.

I guess I, for one, just don't see it as being that analagous to car
insurance. :-)

>> Likewise, I don't know if somewhere in the future I might need one of
>> the updates that's out there, so like collision insurance, I choose to
>> install them.

Actually "need" one? Seems pretty unlikely, from what I've seen.
Even SP3 didn't add anything I needed. The only reason I went to SP3 was in
the hopes of eliminating an intermittent svchost bug that I picked up some
time ago, which it fortunately did. I figured there would be a fair chance,
given the magnitude of SP3, and I was lucky. :-)

>> The only high priority one I do not install is the Bing
>> Bar. I don't install toolbars in any browser, and I don't use
>> Internet Explorer as a normal part of "computering" unless I'm
>> checking out a possible problem with a web page, or manually
>> accessing the update system.
>
> For decades there were a small band of rebels who pointed out life is
> sometimes better by not updating. And I heard from IT departments and
> home users alike about some real horror stories about when updates goes
> wrong. I understood what they were saying. But I still thought you were
> better off updating, despite some small risks.

Nah. :-) (but yes, I was burned once or twice on that, too).

> Until '08 when Asus sold me an EeePC 4G with Windows XP installed on it.
> The drive (SSD) is soldered on the motherboard and is not upgradeable.
> And there was no room for updates. I blame Asus and Microsoft for
> selling licenses for such a machine. I thought for sure it was going to
> be a malware magnet. And I would have to restore from a backup as
> routine maintenance.
>
> But a year later, no problems at all. I was very surprised. Since I have
> over a dozen of other computers, I started to experiment with about not
> updating half of them. And after four years, no problems whatsoever. So
> nowadays I am wondering why I even bother with updates at all? About 25
> years ago, experts used to say don't bother with updates or fixes unless
> they fix a problem you are actually having. Strangely enough, I believe
> this might actually be true today as well.

I feel the same way.

>>> Plus I could check, but I believe you
>>> can still use Windows update even if you have SP2.
>>
>> You could be right on Windows Update. But I have Office 2003
>> installed, so I'm set up to use Microsoft Update, which gets me all
>> the updates for MS software that's supported by MS Update.
>
> I used Office 97 when it first came out and I quickly jumped on Office
> 2000. Since there was way too many bugs in Office 97. And updates
> stopped for Office 2000 back in July of 2009. I manually downloaded all
> of the updates for it so it doesn't matter if Microsoft keeps them
> online or not. And it appears they don't have the updates online
> anymore. Although I do know that at least 2 years ago, Office update
> would update Office 2000 automatically.

I've got Office 2000, too, and that's as much as I need. In fact it's more
than I need. :-) (And then the later versions came out with that silly
ribbon bar thing, as I recallhearing).

> Office isn't the only older application I like. But there is a whole
> list of older applications that I like better. From IM applications and
> many utilities as well. Even older versions of flash for the browsers.

Same here. :-)
They keep adding all these bells and whistles that many of us don't need,
and what's more, don't WANT. And all the consequent BLOAT, too.

Here's another classic example: Adobe Audition 1.5 (like Cool Edit Pro),
was a nice audio editor, but the newer versions of Audition are bloated, and
have that dumbed down panel on the left side, which takes up so much screen
space, etc.

[BillW50]

In news:Zt2dndyOvP1QsJ_S...@earthlink.com,

Bill in Co wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:jdsai3$3tk$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
>> Ken Springer wrote:
>>> On 1/2/12 4:15 AM, BillW50 wrote:
>>>> In news:jdqk04$ool$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
>>>> Ken Springer wrote:
>>>>> On 1/1/12 2:33 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>>>>>> And there may be a few programs now that specifically
>>>>>> require SP3, although if so, I think it's a pretty limited
>>>>>> number.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about specific programs, but if you don't have SP3
>>>>> installed, you cannot access the MS Update website.
>>>>
>>>> If somebody rather use SP2 instead of SP3, I don't think they care
>>>> much about updates. Don't you think?
>>>
>>> True. But it depends on your perspective. I look at the updates as
>>> if it was car insurance. I don't plan on having a wreck, but all
>>> the oil leaked out of my Magic 8 Ball, so I have no idea of the
>>> future. So I have optional collision insurance.
>
> I guess I, for one, just don't see it as being that analagous to car
> insurance. :-)

Me either. Although 10 or so years ago I added up all of the money I
paid for car insurance in my life. And it added up to way over $30
grand. And how much have I ever got back? Zero. That is a bit depressing
if you ask me.

>>> Likewise, I don't know if somewhere in the future I might need one
>>> of the updates that's out there, so like collision insurance, I
>>> choose to install them.
>
> Actually "need" one? Seems pretty unlikely, from what I've seen.
> Even SP3 didn't add anything I needed. The only reason I went to SP3
> was in the hopes of eliminating an intermittent svchost bug that I
> picked up some time ago, which it fortunately did. I figured there
> would be a fair chance, given the magnitude of SP3, and I was lucky.
> :-)

SP3 also contains KB909095 "The computer occasionally does not
hibernate" which fixed my hibernation problem on my machines with 1GB or
more of RAM. Although you can download this separately too and don't
need SP3 for this. The rest of SP3 actually made things worse for me.

>>> The only high priority one I do not install is the Bing
>>> Bar. I don't install toolbars in any browser, and I don't use
>>> Internet Explorer as a normal part of "computering" unless I'm
>>> checking out a possible problem with a web page, or manually
>>> accessing the update system.
>>
>> For decades there were a small band of rebels who pointed out life is
>> sometimes better by not updating. And I heard from IT departments and
>> home users alike about some real horror stories about when updates
>> goes wrong. I understood what they were saying. But I still thought
>> you were better off updating, despite some small risks.
>
> Nah. :-) (but yes, I was burned once or twice on that, too).

The more one experiments with NOT updating, the more pleasant computers
becomes. ;-)

Same here. I also don't like the looks of the newer versions for one.

>> Office isn't the only older application I like. But there is a whole
>> list of older applications that I like better. From IM applications
>> and many utilities as well. Even older versions of flash for the
>> browsers.
>
> Same here. :-)
> They keep adding all these bells and whistles that many of us don't
> need, and what's more, don't WANT. And all the consequent BLOAT,
> too.
> Here's another classic example: Adobe Audition 1.5 (like Cool Edit
> Pro), was a nice audio editor, but the newer versions of Audition are
> bloated, and have that dumbed down panel on the left side, which
> takes up so much screen space, etc.

I believed for decades that developers somehow believe they need the
most massive computers with all of the bells and whistles to program
with. And sure all of that bloat runs fine on such $10,000+ machines.
Then they wonder why many people prefer the older less bloated versions
better. Go figure.

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:10:20 -0600, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:


> Me either. Although 10 or so years ago I added up all of the money I
> paid for car insurance in my life. And it added up to way over $30
> grand. And how much have I ever got back? Zero. That is a bit depressing
> if you ask me.

That's one way to look at it, but personally, if I never have to
collect on my car insurance (or any other kind of insurance) I'm very
happy about it.

[BillW50]

In news:3i76g7dhmr4ipta39...@4ax.com,

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:10:20 -0600, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> Me either. Although 10 or so years ago I added up all of the money I
>> paid for car insurance in my life. And it added up to way over $30
>> grand. And how much have I ever got back? Zero. That is a bit
>> depressing if you ask me.
>
> That's one way to look at it, but personally, if I never have to
> collect on my car insurance (or any other kind of insurance) I'm very
> happy about it.

Same here, except for health insurance. Although they still got off
cheaply. As they only paid partly for routine checkups. And yes, I
suppose paying and not collecting anything is actually better. Although
most insurance companies I hear tell that only insures those that never
has a claim and refuses those who really does need insurance. So what
kind of risk is that? It sounds more like a racket to me. :-(

[Jo-Anne]

"000-111-000" <0...@111.000.txt> wrote in message
news:jdp13f$c51$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Yes, using SP3 fully updated, IE8, and the latest OE (not that the program
has been updated in years). Tried uninstalling and reinstalling IrfanView,
and no change.

Jo-Anne

[Jo-Anne]

"Elmo" <elmo...@xxx.invalid> wrote in message
news:g5OdnZ_dnKq5_2PT...@insightbb.com...

> On 12/30/2011 7:17 PM, Jo-Anne wrote:
>> Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image
>> viewer,

>> and overall I like it. One problem though. When I open an image file

>> that
>> is attached to an email, I then can't close IrfanView. I have to involve

>> Task Manager, and still I keep getting told for awhile that the program

>> can't be ended. (It doesn't matter what format the picture is in; I've
>> opened JPEGs and PNGs, for example.)
>>
>> If I open image files that aren't attachments, I have no trouble closing
>> the
>> program. If I open attached files in either of the two Microsoft
>> programs
>> installed on my computer, I have no problem closing the programs.
>>
>> I updated IrfanView to the latest release, and there is no change. I
>> emailed
>> Irfan Skiljan, and he said no one else has this problem. I'm curious if
>> anyone here has experienced this issue with either IrfanView or any other
>> image viewer.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Jo-Anne
>

> Just a suggestion.. remove the program using the Control Panel's
> Add/Remove Programs applet. Then install it again. This could help if
> an association is damaged.
>
> --
>
> Joe =o)

Thank you, Elmo! I did as suggested, but no change.

Jo-Anne

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Jo-Anne,

Lots of discussion, but very little about your problem. Myself and
others got off on to a totally different subject, and *all* of us should
have known better. It's simply poor Netiquette and should not have been
allowed. For my part, I apologize.

As for your problem...

The assumption is, the problem is Irfanview, which I also use on my
Windows computers.

Maybe the problem is OE. :-) If you've tried the other suggestions, as
a crosscheck I would download and install a one or two other email
clients. Do you have the same problem the other email clients? If not,
my conclusion would be the problem is OE, and not Irfanview.

If you choose to try different email clients, make sure you set the new
"test" clients to leave the email on the server, do not delete the
server copy. Then when you check your email normally, the emails will
be available to your normal email client, presumably OE, to download and
be placed in your normally used mailboxes.

My point is, you may be looking in the wrong place for the solution. I
had a problem with an MS high priority update one time. I and MS Tech
Support thought/believed the update was the problem. MS gave up. I
kept dinking around, and the cause of the problem was the LAN card, not
the update. :-)

[Bruce Hagen]

"Jo-Anne" <Jo-...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:jdlke4$n0b$1...@dont-email.me...

> Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image
> viewer, and over all I like it. One problem, though. When I open an
> image file that is attached to an email, I then can't close IrfanView. I
> have to involve Task Manager, and still I keep getting told for a while
> that the program can't be ended. (It doesn't matter what format the
> picture is in; I've opened JPEGs and PNGs, for example.)
>
> If I open image files that aren't attachments, I have no trouble closing
> the program. If I open attached files in either of the two Microsoft
> programs installed on my computer, I have no problem closing the
> programs.
>
> I updated IrfanView to the latest release, and there is no change. I
> emailed Irfan Skiljan, and he said no one else has this problem. I'm
> curious if anyone here has experienced this issue with either IrfanView
> or any other image viewer.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jo-Anne

Since it only happens with attachments, firs try emptying your Tiffs.

For IE6:

Clear the Temporary Internet Files: In IE | Tools | Internet Options |
Delete Files button. And check the box to Delete Offline content.

For IE7 & IE8:

Tools | Internet Options | General Tab | Browsing History | Delete Button
| Select Temporary Internet Files.


Reboot and try. If that doesn't work, try in a new identity. File |
Identities | Add New Identity. Create a new one and test it. If all is
well, you can import your messages and Address Book from the old identity
and delete it.

Note: Do not use the word Main in the name of the new identity.

[Jo-Anne]

"Ken Springer" <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote in message

news:je4pke$r11$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Thank you, Ken! No need to apologize. I was enjoying the offshoot
conversation but realized I hadn't replied to the suggestions I got early
on. You may well be right about OE being the problem. I've been meaning to
try Thunderbird--since, if I move to a new computer with Windows 7, I won't
be able to stay with OE anyway unless I use XP mode, which I've heard is
slow. I'll be pretty much offline for a few weeks; when I get back on, I'll
experiment with the email.

Thank you again!

Jo-Anne

[Ken Springer]

On 1/5/12 12:08 PM, Jo-Anne wrote:

> Thank you, Ken! No need to apologize. I was enjoying the offshoot
> conversation but realized I hadn't replied to the suggestions I got early
> on. You may well be right about OE being the problem. I've been meaning to
> try Thunderbird--since, if I move to a new computer with Windows 7, I won't
> be able to stay with OE anyway unless I use XP mode, which I've heard is
> slow. I'll be pretty much offline for a few weeks; when I get back on, I'll
> experiment with the email.

You're welcome, Jo-Anne.

TB is easy and quick to set up if you're familiar with setting up the
accounts. Feel free to holler, or go to Mozilla's Thunderbird newsgroup
for assistance. news.mozilla.org

[Bast]

000-111-000 wrote:
> "Jo-Anne" <Jo-...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:jdlkc5$mku$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image
>> viewer, and over all I like it. One problem, though. When I open an
>> image file that is attached to an email, I then can't close IrfanView.
>> I have to involve Task Manager, and still I keep getting told for a
>> while that the program can't be ended. (It doesn't matter what format
>> the picture is in; I've opened JPEGs and PNGs, for example.)
>>
>> If I open image files that aren't attachments, I have no trouble
>> closing the program. If I open attached files in either of the two
>> Microsoft programs installed on my computer, I have no problem closing
>> the programs. I updated IrfanView to the latest release, and there is no
>> change. I
>> emailed Irfan Skiljan, and he said no one else has this problem. I'm
>> curious if anyone here has experienced this issue with either
>> IrfanView or any other image viewer.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Jo-Anne
>>
>
> You Using Win XP With a OE-6.
>
> I hope the XP is a Sp3,
> with Internet Explore 8,
> Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 or above..
>
> If so Uninstall and Reinstall Irfan View....

SP2 should never be changed, the upgrade to SP3 never worked properly on
any machine I installed it on.

Personally I think the OP just needs to COMPLETELY remove and reinstall
Irfanview.
(not just reinstall over the old copy)
....Probably just a registry corruption issue, that a fresh install should
fix

[DAS]

Could Jo-Anne ask the Irfanview developer, if she hasn't already?

I don't think he is difficult to find -- she can just navigate to the
website.

She plans to be offline for "several weeks"... Tsk, tsk, how will she manage
to exist that long...?...

DAS
--
To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling'
---

"Bruce Hagen" <B...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:je4s1a$t24$1...@dont-email.me...

[Mohan]

Jo-Anne wrote:

> Using WinXP and OE6 on a Dell laptop. IrfanView is my default image
> viewer, and over all I like it. One problem, though. When I open an
> image file that is attached to an email, I then can't close
> IrfanView. I have to involve Task Manager, and still I keep getting
> told for a while that the program can't be ended. (It doesn't matter
> what format the picture is in; I've opened JPEGs and PNGs, for
> example.)
>
> If I open image files that aren't attachments, I have no trouble
> closing the program. If I open attached files in either of the two
> Microsoft programs installed on my computer, I have no problem
> closing the programs.
>
> I updated IrfanView to the latest release, and there is no change. I
> emailed Irfan Skiljan, and he said no one else has this problem. I'm
> curious if anyone here has experienced this issue with either
> IrfanView or any other image viewer.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jo-Anne

When you open an attachment directly from the mail, the file gets
extracted to the Temp folder, and the associated program loads it. Just
a guess: OE normally displays attached images in the preview pane. It
is possible that OE has the file locked and the other program isn't
closing the normal way.
See if clicking on another message or a folder once opened instead of
staying put on the same, closes IrfanView.

--
/Mohan/

[Jo-Anne]

"Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:je60fd$tlj$1...@dont-email.me...

Didn't work, Bast. I removed the program through Add/Remove Programs and
reinstalled. No change.

[Jo-Anne]

"Ken Springer" <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote in message

news:je4t1s$2uh$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Thank you again, Ken! Does TB allow for more than one identity? I have an
"Archive" identity in OE that I definitely want to export. Or is that what's
considered an account? In OE, I have five accounts in my current
identity--different email addresses that all come to my inbox; and then I
have the same accounts in my archive identity.

Jo-Anne

[Jo-Anne]

"Bruce Hagen" <B...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:je4s1a$t24$1...@dont-email.me...
>

Thank you, Bruce! I always empty my temporary internet files when I close
down the computer (I do it with CCleaner), so that's probably not the
problem. I hadn't thought of creating a new identity in OE, but I'll give it
a try when I return after being offline for a while. If I'm successful, I'll
post back.

Jo-Anne

[Jo-Anne]

I won't be totally offline, DAS, but my only access will be at free wi-fi
places--and I don't like to mess with important things there. (I agree that
I'd find it difficult to exist without the internet!)

I think I mentioned early on that I had contacted Irfan Skiljan, and he said
no one else had reported such a problem. Someone here said to download the
images to a folder and open them, which does work fine. It seems to be only
when they're opened from OE (so far) that there's a problem. I haven't tried
another email program yet to see if OE is the issue.

Jo-Anne


"DAS" <nob...@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:je6orb$tur$1...@dont-email.me...

[Jo-Anne]

"Mohan" <m...@news.group> wrote in message
news:xn0hstjk...@nntp.aioe.org...

Thank you for the suggestion, Mohan! It didn't work, though. What seems to
happen is that the image opens quickly but the hourglass keeps turning for a
while after the opening. Then, on closing, I immediately get the "program
not responding" message. After I click "end now," eventually (usually at
least 10 seconds later), the program closes and I'm asked to send an error
report. It doesn't seem to matter if I click on another message or open
folder while I'm waiting.

Also, if I try to open more than one image at a time (I might receive four
photos in one email), the first one opens, but the rest often--but not
always--don't. I get a black screen and then a long error message about
unknown file format or file not found.

Jo-Anne

[Patok]

Jo-Anne wrote:
> "Ken Springer" <word...@greeleynet.com> wrote in message
>>

>> TB is easy and quick to set up if you're familiar with setting up the
>> accounts. Feel free to holler, or go to Mozilla's Thunderbird newsgroup
>> for assistance. news.mozilla.org
>
>

> Thank you again, Ken! Does TB allow for more than one identity? I have an
> "Archive" identity in OE that I definitely want to export. Or is that what's
> considered an account? In OE, I have five accounts in my current
> identity--different email addresses that all come to my inbox; and then I
> have the same accounts in my archive identity.

Thunderbird allows for different accounts - that is, servers to
connect to, each with a different username and password - and for
different identities for each account. When you write a message, you
select one of the identities in the From: drop-down list, which
determines both what name/e-mail is displayed and which outgoing server
to use.
As to where the incoming messages go, that mostly depends on how you
access the accounts. I think you can make them all go to the same inbox
if you're accessing them via POP. I've not done that for a very long
time, so I forget. If you access them via IMAP - like I do with the
gmail accounts - then they stay on the server *and* locally if you tell
TB to do it (that way you can read your emails when not online). You can
drag and drop messages between the different account folders too. What I
do is have lots of local folders with different subjects and from time
to time, when I feel like organizing, I drag and drop messages that I
want to keep into their corresponding subject folders. This is
especially handy for newsgroup messages in some of the programming
groups; before it was possible, I used to print them, and still have
boxes of such around, mostly useless now. :)
It seems the concept of identity in OE is slightly different? I've
never ever used anything with "outlook" in its name, so I don't know.
And what I wrote is about TB 2.0; I uninstalled TB 3 after 5 minutes of
use. :)

--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
*
Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.

[Ken Springer]

Hi, Jo-Anne,

On 1/7/12 10:51 AM, Patok wrote:
> Jo-Anne wrote:
>> "Ken Springer"<word...@greeleynet.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> TB is easy and quick to set up if you're familiar with setting up the
>>> accounts. Feel free to holler, or go to Mozilla's Thunderbird newsgroup
>>> for assistance. news.mozilla.org
>>
>>
>> Thank you again, Ken! Does TB allow for more than one identity? I have an
>> "Archive" identity in OE that I definitely want to export. Or is that what's
>> considered an account? In OE, I have five accounts in my current
>> identity--different email addresses that all come to my inbox; and then I
>> have the same accounts in my archive identity.

Yes, TB does allow for identities, but I don't use them.
http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/search?q=identity will take
you to a TB search page for identities you can read.

<snip>

A discussion of identities is OT for your post about Irfanview, so I'll
email you my thoughts on identities and their use.

[Nil]

On 07 Jan 2012, "Jo-Anne" <Jo-...@nowhere.com> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> Thank you for the suggestion, Mohan! It didn't work, though. What
> seems to happen is that the image opens quickly but the hourglass
> keeps turning for a while after the opening. Then, on closing, I
> immediately get the "program not responding" message. After I
> click "end now," eventually (usually at least 10 seconds later),
> the program closes and I'm asked to send an error report. It
> doesn't seem to matter if I click on another message or open
> folder while I'm waiting.
>
> Also, if I try to open more than one image at a time (I might
> receive four photos in one email), the first one opens, but the
> rest often--but not always--don't. I get a black screen and then a
> long error message about unknown file format or file not found.

I just sent myself an email with several jpgs in it and retrived the
message with Outlook Express. All images are visible in OE, and with I
double-click the attachment paper clips, a dialog box pops up asking
"Do you want to open this file", giving the file name and "Type:
Irfanview JPG File" When I choose Open, it opend in Irfanview, as
expected.

Your problem is clearly NOT an Irfanview issue, so I hope you don't bug
the author. It's not his problem in the least. You're either got an
issue with OE or one with Windows' file associations, or maybe with
your anti-virus.

[Jo-Anne]

"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9FD3C003...@127.0.0.1...

As I mentioned earlier, Nil, I have no trouble opening the OE-provided image
files in the Microsoft picture viewers installed on my computer--and no
problem closing those programs either. I also have no trouble with the image
files in IrfanView if I first save them to a folder on my hard drive and
then open them with IrfanView. There appears to be an issue between OE and
IrfanView at least on my computer. I would assume that a file association
problem or an antivirus problem would mean I'd have trouble with the image
files no matter where they were located.

Jo-Anne