New Microsoft Update To Outlook Express

[D. Spencer Hines]

I installed the update to OE yesterday.

I notice that whenever I close OE my .bak files are deleted and sent to the
Recycle Bin -- this was not happening before. They did not appear in the
Recycle Bin.

Why the change?

What's it designed to do that was not being done before?

DSH

[Bruce Hagen]

It isn't deleting bak files, it is creating a backup of your dbx files when
you compact and naming them bak. See the information in the red box here:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5QH85u...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

Yes.

So they have been placed in the Recycle Bin but should not be terminally
deleted until one knows OE is not corrupted? None of the folders are
corrupted? We should check each one to make sure before flushing the .bak
files.?

We should have been told that if it is indeed the case.

Here is all we have:

UPDATE: On 12/12/2006, Microsoft released a cumulative security patch for
Outlook Express (923694). For some details see Microsoft Security Bulletin
MS06-076.

This update does the following:

a. If a user compacts the folders manually using File | Folder | Compact
all, then the Compact Check Count in the registry is now reset to zero.

b. When OE does the "Compact All" now (whether initiated by the user or due
to the 100 closings prompt), OE makes a copy of the OE message store and
places it into the recycle bin. The OE folders are given the file extension
of "bak". If the compaction fails and results in corruption of the message
store, then the user should be able to rename the "bak" back to "dbx" and
copy it back into the OE message store location to restore the backed up
file and the lost messages. More information on this feature should be
available in the near future.
---------------------------------------

"More information on this feature should be available in the near future."

I look forward to More Information.

This is pretty minimal and sketchy.

DSH

"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23$N2J%23uHHH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[Bruce Hagen]

Yes, is pretty minimal and sketchy. In the past, some people have compacted
only to find empty folders in OE. This is usually caused by disruption of
the compacting process, never touch anything until it finishes, or bloated
folders.

The bak files that are placed in your Recycle Bin are just copies of your
dbx files. If you open OE and all your messages are intact, then you can go
ahead and empty the Recycle Bin.

So many people fail to backup there messages, which should still be done
often, if not daily, that MS created this fail-safe option.

We are all waiting for more documentation.

--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:uqoruNvH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

Thank you.

That's very helpful.

Yes, I compact OE several times a day -- always carefully and without doing
anything else at the same time.

But do we need to check each and every folder in OE before deleting the .bak
files in Recycle Bin?

New Subject:

Is Outlook Express going to disappear with Vista?

DSH

"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message

news:u5s2PUvH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Bruce Hagen]

It isn't limited to them, but the default folders are the most likely to
lose messages, especially the Inbox. If you back up OE as often as you
compact, then you don't even have to worry.

This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what is
written in red. That is referring to a different program.

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx

Vista will have a new e-mail client called Windows Mail. It looks and works
just about the same as OE, but is a much better built program. In fact, the
fragile dbx file structure has been replaced and is very much less likely to
become corrupt, or lose messages.

--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OERUIuvH...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary S. Terhune]

You compact all folders several times a day? Why?

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

[D. Spencer Hines]

Very Helpful.

Thank you kindly.

DSH

"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message

news:egJU42vH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

I delete lots of material every day and OE seems to run far better and
quicker if I do so.

DSH

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uYutAywH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message

news:egJU42vH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Vista will have a new e-mail client called Windows Mail. It looks and
> works just about the same as OE, but is a much better built program. In
> fact, the fragile dbx file structure has been replaced and is very much
> less likely to become corrupt, or lose messages.

So the look, feel, features and options will be about the same as Outlook
Express -- which I've always considered to be a winner of a program?

It's Elegant -- Complex Yet Simple and NOT Bloatware.

DSH

[Bruce Hagen]

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ebC%230SxHH...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

I haven't tested it myself, but that is what I hear from those that have.

[D. Spencer Hines]

Great!

DSH

"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message

news:ubvXBWxH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

>> This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what
>> is written in red. That is referring to a different program.
>>
>> Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
>>

>> Vista will have a new e-mail client called Windows Mail. It looks and
>> works just about the same as OE, but is a much better built program. In
>> fact, the fragile dbx file structure has been replaced and is very much
>> less likely to become corrupt, or lose messages.

>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>> ~IB-CA~

Great Little Program!

I installed it and am using it.

Thanks.

DSH

[Gary S. Terhune]

So do I, probably 1000 emails received and 200-500 messages sent. But I only
Compact the Inbox, Deleted Items and Outbox, once per day, maybe. Anyway, I
was just curious, <s>.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

[Steve Cochran]

You only really need to worry about the inbox. The outbox automatically
compacts after sending I think.

steve

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:Oc5oGqxH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Gary S. Terhune]

Hmmm...

OK, compacted empty Outbox. 59KB. Work Offline. Send an email loaded with
4292KB attachment to myself. Before sending the Outbox shows 4539KB. Go back
Online, Send. After sending, 4539KB. Compacted the Outbox, 59KB.

So, I don't think so.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

[D. Spencer Hines]

Good Points.

Another anserine theory killed by a brutal gang of facts.

That's why I compact several times a day.

DSH

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:elJgqx6...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hmmm...
>
> OK, compacted empty Outbox. 59KB. Work Offline. Send an email loaded with
> 4292KB attachment to myself. Before sending the Outbox shows 4539KB. Go
> back Online, Send. After sending, 4539KB. Compacted the Outbox, 59KB.
>
> So, I don't think so.
>
> --
>
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
> "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
> http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite
>
> Steve Cochran wrote:
>> You only really need to worry about the inbox. The outbox
>> automatically compacts after sending I think.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:Oc5oGqxH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> So do I, probably 1000 emails received and 200-500 messages sent.
>>> But I only Compact the Inbox, Deleted Items and Outbox, once per
>>> day, maybe. Anyway, I was just curious, <s>.
>>>

[Gary S. Terhune]

"Anserine"? Anserine (beta-alanyl-N-methylhistidine) is a dipeptide. Found
in the skeletal muscle and brain of mammals, it is an antioxidant and helps
reduce fatigue. The pKa of the imidazole ring of histidine, when contained
in anserine, is 7.04, making it an effective buffer at physiologic pH
(Biochemistry, Garrett & Grisham).

If you really meant to use the word "asinine", then I disagree. There was no
theory involved, just a brain fart. We all suffer these from time to time,
even you, I'll bet.

Your compacting "several times a day" is overkill to the max. And since the
process carries it's own risks, regardless of the precautions you take, the
net effect is that your habit is more potentially detrimental to your system
than only compacting once per week, or even less often. Of course, if the
folders you're compacting that often are entirely empty, then the risk is
irrelevant. If the compacting corrupts the folder, just close OE, find and
delete the related DBX file, and reopen OE... All it will cost is five to
ten minutes (depending on your familiarity with your system and youre
dexterity in navigating Explorer.)

But!!! You didn't say that you individually compact just those folders that
I listed (Inbox, Outbox, Sent and Deleted), but instead said that you use
Compact All. *That* habit is flat out foolhardy. Especially if you aren't
backing up your Store Folder before each and *every* Compact All operation.
It's not only foolhardy, it's a monumental waste of time. Talk about an
"anserine" theory!

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

[D. Spencer Hines]

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:uLCStI8H...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> "Anserine"? Anserine (beta-alanyl-N-methylhistidine) is a dipeptide. Found
> in the skeletal muscle and brain of mammals, it is an antioxidant and
> helps reduce fatigue. The pKa of the imidazole ring of histidine, when
> contained in anserine, is 7.04, making it an effective buffer at
> physiologic pH (Biochemistry, Garrett & Grisham).

Wrong definition of ANSERINE.

Terhune needs to learn some Latin.

[Ragamuffin Detritus Deleted As Based On False Assumptions, Incorrect
Reporting & Anserine Theorizing]
----------------------------------------------------

I will be continuing to compact several times per day -- and have a clean,
fast, well-operating computer.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

[PA Bear]

What little there is (currently) can be found in the Notes section of
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 (which were /not/ there the last
time I looked at the KB article).
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> We are all waiting for more documentation.

<snip>

[PA Bear]

PS: If you've installed MS06-076/923694, do NOT attempt to install 918766 as
offered on this page!

--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

PA Bear wrote:
> What little there is (currently) can be found in the Notes section of
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918069 (which were /not/ there the last
> time I looked at the KB article).
>

[Tom Willett]

It's been so long since you've trolled these newsgroups. Good to see you
back in action.

[D. Spencer Hines]

Where is the Recycle Bin for each user located on the C: Drive?

DSH

[D. Spencer Hines]

Not trolling at all -- I'm asking Vital Questions and providing some
Important Answers -- to me at least.

Devil Catch The Hindmost. <g>

DSH

"Tom Willett" <tomp...@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
news:ef795c8H...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> It's been so long since you've trolled these newsgroups. Good to see you
> back in action.
>

> "D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message:

[D. Spencer Hines]

Useful Advice.

I have installed MS06-076/923694.

Thanks for the Warning.

DSH

"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Gary S. Terhune]

If your question is, "WHY is the Recycle Bin for each user located on the C:
Drive," the answer is that they aren't. There's only the Desktop RB shortcut
and the replicas that appear on each partition in Explorer, all of them
virtual objects created out of whole cloth by entries in the Registry.

The virtual RB that you see encompases all "RECYCLED" directories, one per
partition (a Hidden/System directory.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

[PA Bear]

And your Outlook Express question is...?

[D. Spencer Hines]

Where is the Recycle Bin located -- in which the .bak files from Outlook
Express are dumped?

If it's a Hidden File or Directory please tell me where it is hidden.

DSH

"PA Bear" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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[D. Spencer Hines]

This fellow is REALLY Wordy and chases constantly after Red Herrings.

He misses the point entirely and does not read well.

I said WHERE -- not WHY?

See Below...

DSH

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:eApnYt8H...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> If your question is, "WHY is the Recycle Bin for each user located on the

> C: Drive,"...

No, that was not the question.

<baldersnip>

[Gary S. Terhune]

OK, got ya. (But if you're so smart as to feel entitled to belittle those
who are attempting to help you, why can't you find it yourself?)

First, if you are the user in question, just open the Recycle Bin. Tada!

If you for some reason need to get to the "Recycler" directory for users
other than yourself, and you have full administrative privileges, look here:

C:\recycler\s-(long string of numbers, whichever pertains to your user)

It is a Hidden, System directory, so you need to change Folder Options
appropriately in order to see it using Windows Explorer. (If you'll notice,
I *did* include that detail in the previous -- a *REALLY* big hint that
should have led you to solving your own problem, if, that is, you really had
a problem.)

Note that in the previous, I named the directories "recycled". Blame the
fact that I mostly support Win9x users. Would have helped if you'd specified
your OS. Some more liberal explanation of your purpose would also have
helped.

OK? Happy? Now, since you can't seem to refrain from being abusive, I shall
refrain from answering any more of your questions and limit myself to
observing your posts, just to make sure you don't lead any innocents astray
with your obviously multitudinous bad practices.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

[Bruce Hagen]

You don't have a Recycle Bin on your Desktop? I don't think it can be
deleted. At least not without a reg hack I am not aware of.

If it isn't on the Desktop, open Windows explorer. It is the last file
listed in the tree.

--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OkJhuK9H...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

Hmmmmmmmmm...

D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:eJFD$e8HHH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Where is the Recycle Bin for each user located on the C: Drive?
>
> DSH

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:eApnYt8H...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

<Baldersnip>

O.K.

Terhune-san simply can't answer the question clearly, succinctly and
coherently.

I worked it out for myself, sans any help -- and ignored the bafflegab from
Terhune-san.

The Recycle Bin files for each user will be found in the Directory C:\
Recycler, which is a protected, operating system directory.

C:\Recycler can be revealed by going to C:\ Tools>Folder Options>View>
Advanced settings -- and then UNCHECKING the appropriate box and then
clicking Apply and OK. Be Careful! Of course you may need Administrator
Privileges in order to do this. I'm talking Microsoft Windows XP
Professional here.

N.B. The Appropriate Box is labeled "Hide protected operating system files
(Recommended)".

C:\Recycler contains a separate Recycle Bin subdirectory for each assigned
user.

OR, you will find that File Options can be accessed through Control
Panel -- under Appearance and Themes.

NOW:

1. Why does one need to know all this?

2. Why are these Good Questions and Good Answers? [Non Anserine or
Terhune-san Bafflegab]

3. Because if you want to find those OE .dbx files and back them up
ELSEWHERE -- say to some external medium -- such as a DVD or external hard
drive -- you need to know where to FIND them -- UNLESS you have installed
the OE update [previously mentioned in this thread] and want to go through
the laborious process of cutting and pasting them to the external medium
from each user's Desktop.

End Of Lesson...

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Exitus Acta Probat

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM]

"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message

news:OBRFfb%23HHH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> You don't have a Recycle Bin on your Desktop? I don't think it can be
> deleted. At least not without a reg hack I am not aware of.
>
> If it isn't on the Desktop, open Windows explorer. It is the last file
> listed in the tree.

Or almost last. In WinXP SP2 I have Unused Desktop Shortcuts below it. OF
course, not everyone has that folder.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

[D. Spencer Hines]

Recte:

Hmmmmmmmmm...

<Baldersnip>

O.K.

NOW:

3. Because if you want to find those OE .dbx backup [.bak] files [AND the
Address Book backup and other useful backup files] and back them up

[Gary S. Terhune]

OK, you don't need us. OK, bye. <plonk>

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite

[D. Spencer Hines]

Wrong....

I just don't need YOU.

The other MVP's are fine -- and competent....

And know how to answer questions intelligently and coherently.

DSH

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:%23ove19B...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Melelina]

It is nowhere near the last folder on my XP Pro SP2 box. I have My Private
Folder, MiniDumps, Ping Plotter Pro, Windows.Genuine.Advantage.Validation
all below Recycle Bin in the Explorer tree.

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franks...@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:9FDB5BE2-40AE-49B1...@microsoft.com...

[Melelina]

But the program referred to in red is superior. I have had it for a long
time. I wish it would come back. I have had a number of people ask me to
send it to them since it is no longer available.

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:Ok6RDoxH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Steve Cochran]

Somewhere along the line it compacts itself. Maybe when OE opens and
closes.

steve

"Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message

news:elJgqx6...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[Gary S. Terhune]

OK, I'll experiment when I get a moment or two free.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

[PA Bear]

<plonk>

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Hmmmmmmmmm...
>
> D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eJFD$e8HHH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> Where is the Recycle Bin for each user located on the C: Drive?
>>
>> DSH
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grys...@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:eApnYt8H...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> <Baldersnip>
>
> O.K.
>
> Terhune-san simply can't answer the question clearly, succinctly and
> coherently.
>
> I worked it out for myself, sans any help -- and ignored the bafflegab
> from

> Terhune-san...

[D. Spencer Hines]

Interesting!

Could you please send a copy to me at juli...@hotmail.com ?

Thank you very much.

DSH

"Melelina" <mele...@medscape.com> wrote in message
news:ePfY79CI...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[pjp]

"D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OG2uWm4M...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

So f'ing what if they don't document the format? Makes it just as
restrictive as it always has been, e.g. lock you into their product and no
other.

[Steve Cochran]

The new format is Vista is very transparent. The messages are stored as
individual eml files than many programs and OSs can handle.

steve

"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_@_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
news:uYYRxUTN...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

[D. Spencer Hines]

Interesting!

Could you please send a copy to me at juli...@hotmail.com ?

Thank you very much.

DSH

"Melelina" <mele...@medscape.com> wrote in message
news:ePfY79CI...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> But the program referred to in red is superior. I have had it for a long
> time. I wish it would come back. I have had a number of people ask me to
> send it to them since it is no longer available.
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ok6RDoxH...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> This freeware tool backs up everything in OE in seconds. Disregard what
>>>> is written in red. That is referring to a different program.
>>>>
>>>> Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB):
>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
>>>>
>>>> Vista will have a new e-mail client called Windows Mail. It looks and
>>>> works just about the same as OE, but is a much better built program. In
>>>> fact, the fragile dbx file structure has been replaced and is very much
>>>> less likely to become corrupt, or lose messages.