Outlook 2007 RTM still slow
xzo...@gmail.com
I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.
Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.
When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.
When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.
Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.
Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.
I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).
Z
Ales Susnik
Have same problems here.
I'm playing around at the moment with the fact that i reduced the size of
PST (archived things into another PST) from 6.4gb to 1,5gb... it looks like
it runs faster now... can't confirm yet...
Also, tried, Help, Office Diagnostics, that solved some speed issuses for
me, but again i'm not sure, cause the problem did return.
A.
Milhouse Van Houten
light solid red)? It sounds like it, since Outlook really isn't any slower
than it ever has been. What is slower in 2007 is rendering of complex HTML
mail, since they're off the IE engine now, so for things like complex
newsletters it's a matter of a couple extra seconds. I think you're looking
at indexing issues, which should settle down after a day or so.
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Ales Susnik
all together no more then 2mb, you should see Outlook choke on this.
A.
Patrick Schmid [MVP]
a nightmare). Here are some things I learnt from that:
- Keep the PST size down. You can use AutoArchive or Archive to get
things out of your PST. I'd highly suggest to do that regularly. If you
have the need to move entire folders or large quantities of messages out
of your PST into another PST, do not use Import/Export. Instead, you'd
normally make a new PST and drag & drop folders over. Unfortunately that
is awfully slow. However, you can move large quantities simply by
running Archive into a newly created PST by limiting it to a folder.
That actually is fast.
- Compact the PST regularly. Just moving things out of the PST won't
reduce it in size.
- The most important thing I learnt though is that not the overall PST
size is a real performance issues, but rather the number of messages
within a PST/folder. See
http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2005/03/14/395229.aspx (this is for
OST files, meaning when you use Outlook with an Exchange server, but it
seems to apply to PSTs as well). Quite frankly, reducing some of my
folders from 30,000 messages each to 2,000 or so did wonders for my
performance.
The usual stuff applies as well:
- Test it in safe mode (Start, Run, "outlook /safe"). If you don't
experience the issue then, then the problem is caused by an add-in.
- Switch off any anti-virus integration into Outlook or email. It's
plain unnecessary and just costs you performance.
I hope this helps!
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Ales Susnik
Your advice is great, thank you, it does confirm my logic and working
behaviour with Outlook till now, I do everything regulary, just not Auto
Archive... since searching can be a trouble.
Number of messages with me is way over 90.000... that might have been an
issue...
I will report back regarding my issue, for the sake of other users who might
run into this problem.
Again, thanks.
A.
xzo...@gmail.com
I've tried all suggestions, safe mode, etc. I don't run AV software,
and my pst file is 2.8GB, whch isn't too insanely big (I archived about
1GB of it yesterday). Full-on indexing completed long ago, so that
isn't the issue.
Still:
- slow startup (30 seconds)
- freezing for 2-10 seconds on send/receive. no other actions can be
performed on outlook when send/receive is happening.
I've noticed other "bad" behavior:
- other MS products "freeze" sometimes when a send/receive happens.
Even Visual Studio pauses on occassion, not allowing me to type.
- even notepad doesn't fire up instantly when a send/receive is
happening, as if waiting for the Outlook God to give it permission.
I suspect it's the built-in indexing thing --- ie as soon as an email
is received, Outlook tries to index it. But hey, can't that happen in
the _background_???
Come on microsoft, I'm dying over here. You're making my daily
computing experience painful, and actually hindering my programming
(using your products for that too I might add).
Maybe I'll just go back to using elm. <sigh> Open source is starting
look more and more attractive.
Z
Ales Susnik
My amount of emails went from over 90.000 down to less then 5.000. I had
emails way back to 2003. Don't ask why.
Try to reduce the amount of emails (number of emails) in your PST... if that
helps.
Please if it ain't too much to ask, report back or via email
(al...@knowhow.si).
I'm suprised that not so many people have this problem... weird...
Thank you in advance.
A.
Patrick Schmid [MVP]
Z:
What accounts do you have (Exchange, POP, IMAP)? How many of each?
How many RSS feeds/SharePoint sites do you subscribe to?
Apparently RSS feeds and SharePoint sites can have a dramatic impact on
send/receive performance.
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Patrick Schmid [MVP]
improve performance and lower the memory footprint.
Outlook asked you to sync the RSS feed list with the IE7 maintained
system feed list when you opened it for the first time. Unfortunately if
you selected to sync them, all the XML for all your feeds will be loaded
into memory and will be there at all times (this has to do with how IE7
handles this). If you have many feeds or some big ones, this can be a
serious issue.
If you don't use IE7 for RSS feeds, disable it right away.
If you use IE7 for RSS feeds, disable it and only enable it from time to
time to let the lists sync. Syncing btw means that only additions are
synced. If you remove a feed from Outlook or IE7, this is not reflected
in the other program.
You can change the setting with Tools, Options, Other, Advanced Options,
"Sync RSS Feeds to the Common Systems Feed List".
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days now, and I have to say, it's driving me crazy. I have just one POP
box set up, but about a 2GB pst file. It just crawls and takes up to 30
seconds to preview messages sometimes, and about every 30 to 45
seconds, my entire computer comes screeching to a halt, and can't do
anything.
I went through and disabled all add-ins that I could find, except for
Microsoft Exchange Unified Messaging, and I don't have the desktop
search enabled either. I've got Norton Antivirus also disabled to no
avail.
I'm trying to archive some of my old messages now to see if that helps,
but it seems odd to me that it would slow down the entire computer, not
just Outlook. I have a Pentium 4 2.6GHz HT processor, 2.5GB of RAM and
plenty of disk space to spare, so I don't think it's a system resource
issue.
I never had these problems with Outlook 2003.
Any ideas?
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You have only ONE POP account?
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Anti-virus disabled and defragging, and none of these have helped.
However, I've just finished archiving a bunch of messages, and seeing
some significant performance enhancement. I'll post back if I continue
to have problems, but it appears to have been an issue with the number
of messages or size of my .pst file.
Ales Susnik
Went from 90.000 way down here, to get it working :-(
A.
Johnny
Beta. I hoped it would be addressed in the Beta2 Refresh, but was not. Now,
i'm shocked to see it ended up in the RTM. Do a google search, you'll see
several people complaining about this.
I personally use Outlook on a daily basis, and since installing the OL2007
RTM, i can't get anything done. I've had to set SEND/RECEIVE interval to
every 30 minutes, down from the usual 2 minutes... like everyone here has
reported, my hard drive goes nuts when messages arrive. Deleting messages is
also a task. Switching folders can take up to a minute. It's like the product
is still in beta.
Disabling AV programs, etc won't help. Compacting the PST, defragging, etc
won't help either. I've read some people "improved" performance by archiving
a large chunk of their messages. I find this to be a lazy solution at best.
My PST size is 1.5GB... it's unacceptable to me to think that Outlook can not
handle a 1.5GB PST file, when the 2000, XP, and 2003 versions handled it just
fine.
I'm no Microsoft hater, but i can't believe they would leave this problem
unchecked.
Patrick Schmid [MVP]
the number of message items.
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my co-worker NOT to upgrade his Outlook, since he has way over 100.000
messages... it will hog his machine... MS should address this as urgent, even
tho Outlook isn't shipping soon to ordinary people (non MSDN subscribers,
etc...) but this will sooner or later make a big boom.
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1. Do you only use POP accounts?
2. How many emails do you download at once?
3. Do you use rules that distribute the messages across multiple
folders? If yes, how many rules and how many folders are you
distributing things across?
4. If you switch off all rules, does the performance get better? (You
can distribute the messages afterwards from the Inbox by running the
rules over the Inbox).
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"xzo...@gmail.com" <xzo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
Ales Susnik
2. from 5 to 250, doesn't matter
3. yes, 5 rules, 5 email accounts, each rule moves the email regarding from
which account it's arriving to it's folder
4. switching off doesn't help
Hope it helps.
A.
Johnny
The problem is, all of our current configurations worked just fine before we
upgraded... if it worked in OL2003, it SHOULD work in OL2007. Reducing
messages is not a real solution. That's like telling someone using Word , who
is complaining about sluggish performance, to reduce the length of his
documents.
I'll answer your questions:
1. 4
2. When i had the program set to download messages every 2 minutes, i'd get
1-10 messages. Now that i had to reduce the download interval, i get 20-80
messages. Number of messages downloaded don't make a difference... if i
download ONE email, the program slows to a crawl and my hard drive goes nuts.
Downloading 80 messages only prolongs this SLOW process.
3. We have ONE rule to place messages in the JUNK mail folder. The rule
contains a handful of spam keywords. That's all. OL2007 also has a default
rule regarding categories, we unchecked it, and unchecked our JUNK rule...
made no difference.
The program is to blame here... i don't think this is something that can be
solved with a tweak. From what i've read on the net, you either have to live
with this, or go back to OL2003. Based on the fact Microsoft left this flaw
in the program throughout the beta process, i'd guess this is not even on
their radar.
Too bad...
Patrick Schmid [MVP]
before we
> upgraded... if it worked in OL2003, it SHOULD work in OL2007. Reducing
to anyone reading this thread, that is not the case however. I am trying
to help everyone find a way to live with Outlook 2007's performance and
at the same time collect information as to what things specifically
cause the performance issues for Microsoft. The more precisely I can
tell them what is going on, the better they can look into this.
Are all your POP accounts on the same server or on different servers?
> 2. When i had the program set to download messages every 2 minutes, i'd get
> 1-10 messages. Now that i had to reduce the download interval, i get 20-80
> messages. Number of messages downloaded don't make a difference... if i
> download ONE email, the program slows to a crawl and my hard drive goes nuts.
> Downloading 80 messages only prolongs this SLOW process.
Did you test downloading just one email? Small or big email? How long
does it take? How big is/are your PST(s)? How many items do you have in
your Inbox?
> 3. We have ONE rule to place messages in the JUNK mail folder. The rule
> contains a handful of spam keywords. That's all. OL2007 also has a default
> rule regarding categories, we unchecked it, and unchecked our JUNK rule...
> made no difference.
Thanks for checking!
max...@gmail.com
Johnny wrote:
> Patrick,
> The problem is, all of our current configurations worked just fine before we
> upgraded... if it worked in OL2003, it SHOULD work in OL2007. Reducing
> messages is not a real solution. That's like telling someone using Word , who
> is complaining about sluggish performance, to reduce the length of his
> documents.
>
I have to agree 100% on this. The performance is absolutely
intolerable, and, frankly, I'm shocked that this thread isnt flooded
with posts with comments on this.
My PST is large, yes. I have a lot of email, and Outlook 2003 has been
working fine. 2007 simply cannot cope, and waiting 30 seconds to open
an email, or watching the machine become unresponsive when downloading
3 emails (23kb total) is absolutely unacceptable.
In my case, mine is an upgraded installation. Perhaps a clean-install
would fix the issues? There must be a reason why nobody else is seeing
these problems?
Max.
Patrick Schmid [MVP]
> working fine. 2007 simply cannot cope, and waiting 30 seconds to open
> an email, or watching the machine become unresponsive when downloading
> 3 emails (23kb total) is absolutely unacceptable.
> In my case, mine is an upgraded installation. Perhaps a clean-install
> would fix the issues? There must be a reason why nobody else is seeing
I doubt it, but if you want to, you can try creating a new profile and
adding your current PST to it. That's as good as clean install.
> these problems?
It's currently available only via MSDN, TechNet and Volume license
downloads. That means, the current user base is skewed heavily towards
the people who use Exchange. I expect a lot more posts about performance
after the release to retail & oem at the end of January.
Johnny
We did a clean install before, and the same problem. There's definitely a
flaw in the way Outlook reads and writes to the PST file. Move the PST file
back to an OL2003 machine and the problem goes away.
Patrick is right, the install base is sooo small, i don't think there are
enough people making noise about this. A lot of our corporate clients are
still running Outlook 2000, and given their typical slow adoption rate, I'd
guess the only people using this are the Technet and MSDN subscribers.
Patrick Schmid [MVP]
If you can pinpoint exact scenarios in which this happens, that would be
very helpful. E.g., does it have to do with rules, lots of emails
received, etc?
> Patrick is right, the install base is sooo small, i don't think there are
> enough people making noise about this. A lot of our corporate clients are
> still running Outlook 2000, and given their typical slow adoption rate, I'd
> guess the only people using this are the Technet and MSDN subscribers.
Plus some Volume License customers evaluating Office 2007 right now.
Patrick
max
Johnny wrote:
> Max,
> We did a clean install before, and the same problem. There's definitely a
> flaw in the way Outlook reads and writes to the PST file. Move the PST file
> back to an OL2003 machine and the problem goes away.
>
Johnny thanks for saving me the time. I'll just have to revert back to
OL2003.
Just to clarify about my setup. I am a large email user. I receive
approximately 500-600 emails a day (in addition to Spam) - and many
attachments. I need to store emails for reference purposes and archive
regularly. I have hit 20gb limits on my personal pst and archive pst
several times, and have deleted emails to keep things sane.
OL2003 handles this perfectly. I do not use rules, and file everything
by hand (speedfiler on OL2003).
My man concern here is simply that I am doing something wrong. It seems
impossible that MS would RTM such a dog of a product. It makes no sense?
max
Here is what I did:
1. Uninstalled OL2007 and removed all possible traces of the app.
2. Clean installed OL2007 with its default PST location.
3. Copied my existing (19gb) PST to my secondary Partition (usually
D:/Outlook)
4. Opened OL2007 and pointed the PST to D/Outlook. Removed the pointed
to the C:/ standard location.
How I got here?
I had a fresh box with a clean install of WinXP sitting around. I
installed OL2007 on it and did the above steps, performance was FINE. I
figured it must have been something that OL2007 picked up in the
upgrade process from OL2003 which was slowing it down to a crawl.
Ive been running it for 12 hours now and performance is MUCH better.
Its not as fast as OL2003 but its 90+%. I would suggest that for
everyone having these issues to give it a go.
I repeat, its a 19gb PST, not my grandmothers 500meg pst with 200
emails :)
Do let me know if this helps or if any questions...
Max
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