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How come my MPEG-2's audios echo in my old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3's WMP v10?
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Ant
Dec 24, 2011, 4:29:03 PM12/24/11
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Hello.
I have some MPEG-2 (.mpg) recordings from my HDTV tuners that I am
playing back. I notice their audios echo. I tried other non-MPEG-2 video
formats (e.g., WMV) and had no problems. I tried messing with WMP's
settings (disabling WoW, SRS, EQ, etc.), latest onboard RealTek's audio
driver's settings (two speakers and a subwoofer), etc. VLC v1.1.11 had
no problems with the same MPEG-2 files.
Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)
--
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Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer.
I have some MPEG-2 (.mpg) recordings from my HDTV tuners that I am
playing back. I notice their audios echo. I tried other non-MPEG-2 video
formats (e.g., WMV) and had no problems. I tried messing with WMP's
settings (disabling WoW, SRS, EQ, etc.), latest onboard RealTek's audio
driver's settings (two speakers and a subwoofer), etc. VLC v1.1.11 had
no problems with the same MPEG-2 files.
Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)
--
"Any spoke will lead the ant to the hub." --unknown
/\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
/ /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net
| |o o| |
\ _ / If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link.
( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed.
Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer.
Ant
Dec 24, 2011, 10:03:55 PM12/24/11
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After playing and experimenting more, I noticed the same problem in the
old mplayer2.exe (v6.4) and its settings are limited compared to v10's
(wmplayer.exe).
I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people with
vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in both
Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players don't have
this feature?
Thank you in advance and happy holidays! ;)
On 12/24/2011 1:29 PM PT, Ant typed:
> Hello.
>
> I have some MPEG-2 (.mpg) recordings from my HDTV tuners that I am
> playing back. I notice their audios echo. I tried other non-MPEG-2 video
> formats (e.g., WMV) and had no problems. I tried messing with WMP's
> settings (disabling WoW, SRS, EQ, etc.), latest onboard RealTek's audio
> driver's settings (two speakers and a subwoofer), etc. VLC v1.1.11 had
> no problems with the same MPEG-2 files.
>
> Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)
--
"At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants
said: 'O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts
crush you (under foot) without knowing it.'" --Surah 27. The Ant, The
Ants, line 18
old mplayer2.exe (v6.4) and its settings are limited compared to v10's
(wmplayer.exe).
I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people with
vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in both
Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players don't have
this feature?
Thank you in advance and happy holidays! ;)
On 12/24/2011 1:29 PM PT, Ant typed:
> Hello.
>
> I have some MPEG-2 (.mpg) recordings from my HDTV tuners that I am
> playing back. I notice their audios echo. I tried other non-MPEG-2 video
> formats (e.g., WMV) and had no problems. I tried messing with WMP's
> settings (disabling WoW, SRS, EQ, etc.), latest onboard RealTek's audio
> driver's settings (two speakers and a subwoofer), etc. VLC v1.1.11 had
> no problems with the same MPEG-2 files.
>
> Any ideas? Thank you in advance. :)
--
said: 'O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts
crush you (under foot) without knowing it.'" --Surah 27. The Ant, The
Ants, line 18
Paul
Dec 25, 2011, 7:51:57 AM12/25/11
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Ant wrote:
> After playing and experimenting more, I noticed the same problem in the
> old mplayer2.exe (v6.4) and its settings are limited compared to v10's
> (wmplayer.exe).
>
> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
> outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people with
> vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in both
> Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players don't have
> this feature?
>
> Thank you in advance and happy holidays! ;)
This sounds like there are multiple "tracks" recorded in your files.
> After playing and experimenting more, I noticed the same problem in the
> old mplayer2.exe (v6.4) and its settings are limited compared to v10's
> (wmplayer.exe).
>
> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
> outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people with
> vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in both
> Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players don't have
> this feature?
>
> Thank you in advance and happy holidays! ;)
Perhaps two identical, but slightly time shifted audio tracks, account
for the echo. And the reading displayed text, could be an assistive
technology that is enabled for some reason (the player converts the
subtitles, into computer generated audio) ?
Use a movie editor, to see if the tracks are visible.
Or you could try this tool, and see what it can detect in the content.
http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/GSpot270a.zip
And a Merry Christmas to you!
Paul
Ant
Dec 25, 2011, 7:14:33 PM12/25/11
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On 12/25/2011 4:51 AM PT, Paul typed:
> This sounds like there are multiple "tracks" recorded in your files.
> Perhaps two identical, but slightly time shifted audio tracks, account
> for the echo. And the reading displayed text, could be an assistive
> technology that is enabled for some reason (the player converts the
> subtitles, into computer generated audio) ?
OK, but where is that assistive stuff hidden? I checked XP's Control
Panel and they're all disabled/off from what I can saw.
> Use a movie editor, to see if the tracks are visible.
Which freeware editor to check?
> Or you could try this tool, and see what it can detect in the content.
>
> http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/GSpot270a.zip
What exactly am I looking for after it finishes scanning? Here is what I
saw that I could highlight to copy and paste:
DVD "VOB" format
MPEG-2 Program Stream << { 1 vid, 2 aud }
Sys Bitrate: 6000 kb/s VBR
Audio 1: 0xbd[0x80]:48000Hz 448 kb/s tot , stereo (2/0)
Audio 2: 0xbd[0x81]:48000Hz 384 kb/s tot , stereo (2/0)
I didn't see anything about multiple tracks.
HOWEVER, I did see in DVB Viewer Pro v4.9.0.0, that is used for
recording, I noticed changing default "AC3 Audio Stereo (1)" to "AC3
Audio Stereo (2)" gets that extra voices BUT no echoes. It seems like
WMPs are playing BOTH audio track to sound like echoes and doesn't give
me an option (maybe I missed it?). Does WMP11 have that option? Maybe I
have a reason to upgrade.
> And a Merry Christmas to you!
Thanks. :)
--
"An ant hole may collapse an embankment." --Japanese
> This sounds like there are multiple "tracks" recorded in your files.
> Perhaps two identical, but slightly time shifted audio tracks, account
> for the echo. And the reading displayed text, could be an assistive
> technology that is enabled for some reason (the player converts the
> subtitles, into computer generated audio) ?
Panel and they're all disabled/off from what I can saw.
> Use a movie editor, to see if the tracks are visible.
> Or you could try this tool, and see what it can detect in the content.
>
> http://gspot.headbands.com/v26x/GSpot270a.zip
saw that I could highlight to copy and paste:
DVD "VOB" format
MPEG-2 Program Stream << { 1 vid, 2 aud }
Sys Bitrate: 6000 kb/s VBR
Audio 1: 0xbd[0x80]:48000Hz 448 kb/s tot , stereo (2/0)
Audio 2: 0xbd[0x81]:48000Hz 384 kb/s tot , stereo (2/0)
I didn't see anything about multiple tracks.
HOWEVER, I did see in DVB Viewer Pro v4.9.0.0, that is used for
recording, I noticed changing default "AC3 Audio Stereo (1)" to "AC3
Audio Stereo (2)" gets that extra voices BUT no echoes. It seems like
WMPs are playing BOTH audio track to sound like echoes and doesn't give
me an option (maybe I missed it?). Does WMP11 have that option? Maybe I
have a reason to upgrade.
> And a Merry Christmas to you!
--
"An ant hole may collapse an embankment." --Japanese
Tim Meddick
Dec 25, 2011, 8:56:40 PM12/25/11
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If you are talking about the Window's built-in voice synthesiser feature,
that does indeed read aloud when certain accessibility features are
employed - such as "Window's Narrator" (found on the Start Menu under:
Start > Programs > Accessories > Accessibility).
However, if "Narrator" was active, you would see it displayed on the
taskbar as with any other active program - hard to miss (unless you're
using Win7 / Vista).
You could try going to the "Text Services and Input Languages" control
panel, and "unchecking" (i.e.; turning off) the box labelled ; "Extend
support of advanced text services to all programs" - this may turn off some
feature in a 3rd-party application that is using the Window's
"Text-to-speech" functionality.
To open the "Text Services and Input Languages" control panel, first open
the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, and then click on
"Languages" (tab) and then on the "Details" button - this will bring open :
"Text Services and Input Languages"
The checkbox I referred to above ("Extend support of advanced text services
to all programs" ) should be found under the "Advanced" tab of the "Text
Services and Input Languages" control panel. Uncheckmark this box and
click on the [OK] button to save the setting and close the dialog.
The feature may not stop immediately, but may require a logoff / logon
cycle first.
If doing this doesn't solve the problem, you could do worse than post a
list of all your running processes, on your system, here. To do this (XP
Pro only) type at a Window's Command Prompt (cmd.exe) the following command
:
tasklist > c:\Tasks.txt
..then copy the contents of the resulting file [c:\Tasks.txt] and paste it
into a reply-post here.
If using XP Home - you can download a similar tool to do the job of the
[tasklist] command by clicking on the link below to download [pslist.exe]
http://live.sysinternals.com/Tools/pslist.exe
...and you would then type instead :
pslist > c:\Tasks.txt
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Paul" <nos...@needed.com> wrote in message
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that does indeed read aloud when certain accessibility features are
employed - such as "Window's Narrator" (found on the Start Menu under:
Start > Programs > Accessories > Accessibility).
However, if "Narrator" was active, you would see it displayed on the
taskbar as with any other active program - hard to miss (unless you're
using Win7 / Vista).
You could try going to the "Text Services and Input Languages" control
panel, and "unchecking" (i.e.; turning off) the box labelled ; "Extend
support of advanced text services to all programs" - this may turn off some
feature in a 3rd-party application that is using the Window's
"Text-to-speech" functionality.
To open the "Text Services and Input Languages" control panel, first open
the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, and then click on
"Languages" (tab) and then on the "Details" button - this will bring open :
"Text Services and Input Languages"
The checkbox I referred to above ("Extend support of advanced text services
to all programs" ) should be found under the "Advanced" tab of the "Text
Services and Input Languages" control panel. Uncheckmark this box and
click on the [OK] button to save the setting and close the dialog.
The feature may not stop immediately, but may require a logoff / logon
cycle first.
If doing this doesn't solve the problem, you could do worse than post a
list of all your running processes, on your system, here. To do this (XP
Pro only) type at a Window's Command Prompt (cmd.exe) the following command
:
tasklist > c:\Tasks.txt
..then copy the contents of the resulting file [c:\Tasks.txt] and paste it
into a reply-post here.
If using XP Home - you can download a similar tool to do the job of the
[tasklist] command by clicking on the link below to download [pslist.exe]
http://live.sysinternals.com/Tools/pslist.exe
...and you would then type instead :
pslist > c:\Tasks.txt
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Paul" <nos...@needed.com> wrote in message
news:jd769e$1qa$1...@dont-email.me...
Paul
Dec 25, 2011, 9:04:57 PM12/25/11
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it to be able to handle a wide range of movie formats. It did work
with the raw captures from my WinTV card. But probably won't work with
much else. WMM doesn't compete with real movie editor programs. I used
a bunch of garbage over on the Linux side, to finish what I was doing
(removing VCR "head roll" from the bottom of the recorded video). I
had to do many of the steps over and over again, due to issues
with the software I was using. It took me about two weeks to
finish my little project, all so I could save $99 on buying a
real editor program :-)
I can't tell you where the "voices" are coming from. They could be
an audio track or alternate, rather than text to speech conversion
within Windows.
You could try stripping off the audio tracks, and seeing if one of the
audio tracks has the "voices" in it.
You could try over on rec.video.desktop, and see if someone over there
knows what options are being stuffed in there.
The thing about "recording" from an HDTV tuner, is the person writing
the software doesn't have to do any work. They can simply write the
entire stream, verbatim, to disk. As a result, you'd get virtually all the
features bundled with the content, but without the ability to switch
things on and off. So if the software writer is lazy, then you end
up using a movie editor to fix things the way you want them.
Paul
Tim Meddick
Dec 25, 2011, 9:32:13 PM12/25/11
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OTOH - It's possible that I have totally misunderstood you, and that this
"echo" effect is present on Window's playing a variety of sounds (such as
via Media Player, Sound Recorder and Window's system sounds).
If this is more like the description of the problem, then I would have to
ask if you had installed any third-party codecs? - some have configurable
add-ons that can be used to provide modified audio and video effects - such
as FFDShow and AC3Filter...
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Tim Meddick" <timme...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jd8k8u$u7r$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> < clipped >
"echo" effect is present on Window's playing a variety of sounds (such as
via Media Player, Sound Recorder and Window's system sounds).
If this is more like the description of the problem, then I would have to
ask if you had installed any third-party codecs? - some have configurable
add-ons that can be used to provide modified audio and video effects - such
as FFDShow and AC3Filter...
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
news:jd8k8u$u7r$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> If you are talking about the Window's built-in voice synthesiser
> feature.....
> < clipped >
Ant
Dec 25, 2011, 9:36:49 PM12/25/11
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On 12/25/2011 6:04 PM PT, Paul typed:
> I can't tell you where the "voices" are coming from. They could be
> an audio track or alternate, rather than text to speech conversion
> within Windows.
>
> You could try stripping off the audio tracks, and seeing if one of the
> audio tracks has the "voices" in it.
>
> You could try over on rec.video.desktop, and see if someone over there
> knows what options are being stuffed in there.
>
> The thing about "recording" from an HDTV tuner, is the person writing
> the software doesn't have to do any work. They can simply write the
> entire stream, verbatim, to disk. As a result, you'd get virtually all the
> features bundled with the content, but without the ability to switch
> things on and off. So if the software writer is lazy, then you end
> up using a movie editor to fix things the way you want them.
I guess WMPs don't have the options to switch channels, etc. DVB Viewer
Pro, MPC (Media Player Classic), and VLC can.
I also noticed my latest HDTV recording from Lakers versus/vs. Bulls
Christmas 2011 game had Spanish in the background. Haha.
--
"Though your enemy is the size of an ant, look upon him as an elephant."
--Danish
> I can't tell you where the "voices" are coming from. They could be
> an audio track or alternate, rather than text to speech conversion
> within Windows.
>
> You could try stripping off the audio tracks, and seeing if one of the
> audio tracks has the "voices" in it.
>
> You could try over on rec.video.desktop, and see if someone over there
> knows what options are being stuffed in there.
>
> The thing about "recording" from an HDTV tuner, is the person writing
> the software doesn't have to do any work. They can simply write the
> entire stream, verbatim, to disk. As a result, you'd get virtually all the
> features bundled with the content, but without the ability to switch
> things on and off. So if the software writer is lazy, then you end
> up using a movie editor to fix things the way you want them.
Pro, MPC (Media Player Classic), and VLC can.
I also noticed my latest HDTV recording from Lakers versus/vs. Bulls
Christmas 2011 game had Spanish in the background. Haha.
--
"Though your enemy is the size of an ant, look upon him as an elephant."
--Danish
Ant
Dec 25, 2011, 9:43:10 PM12/25/11
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From more experiments, it is from the multiple audio tracks (e.g.,
Spanish, extra voices/sayings). It seems like WMPs (v6.4 and v10) play
ALL tracks and doesn't have options to customize/change this since DVB
Viewer Pro v4.9, VideoLAN Client (VLC) Media Player v1.1.10, and Media
Player Classic-Home Cinema(HC) had no problems with the correct audio
tracks (lets you change it too). Or did I miss that option in WMPs
(maybe it is in v11?)?
On 12/25/2011 5:56 PM PT, Tim Meddick typed:
> If you are talking about the Window's built-in voice synthesiser
> feature, that does indeed read aloud when certain accessibility features
> are employed - such as "Window's Narrator" (found on the Start Menu
> under: Start > Programs > Accessories > Accessibility).
>
> However, if "Narrator" was active, you would see it displayed on the
> taskbar as with any other active program - hard to miss (unless you're
> using Win7 / Vista).
Not active. I tried running it and it was a different voice (Sam).
> You could try going to the "Text Services and Input Languages" control
> panel, and "unchecking" (i.e.; turning off) the box labelled ; "Extend
> support of advanced text services to all programs" - this may turn off
> some feature in a 3rd-party application that is using the Window's
> "Text-to-speech" functionality.
All off. Exiting would close Narrator.
> To open the "Text Services and Input Languages" control panel, first
> open the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, and then click
> on "Languages" (tab) and then on the "Details" button - this will bring
> open : "Text Services and Input Languages"
>
> The checkbox I referred to above ("Extend support of advanced text
> services to all programs" ) should be found under the "Advanced" tab of
> the "Text Services and Input Languages" control panel. Uncheckmark this
> box and click on the [OK] button to save the setting and close the dialog.
"Turn off advanced text services" was already checked. :)
> The feature may not stop immediately, but may require a logoff / logon
> cycle first.
>
> If doing this doesn't solve the problem, you could do worse than post a
> list of all your running processes, on your system, here. To do this (XP
> Pro only) type at a Window's Command Prompt (cmd.exe) the following
> command :
>
> tasklist > c:\Tasks.txt
>
> ..then copy the contents of the resulting file [c:\Tasks.txt] and paste
> it into a reply-post here.
>
> If using XP Home - you can download a similar tool to do the job of the
> [tasklist] command by clicking on the link below to download [pslist.exe]
>
> http://live.sysinternals.com/Tools/pslist.exe
>
> ...and you would then type instead :
>
> pslist > c:\Tasks.txt
--
"We may have no malevolent intentions toward an ant heap, but if we want
to build a house on the same site..." --Rendezvous With Rama
Spanish, extra voices/sayings). It seems like WMPs (v6.4 and v10) play
ALL tracks and doesn't have options to customize/change this since DVB
Viewer Pro v4.9, VideoLAN Client (VLC) Media Player v1.1.10, and Media
Player Classic-Home Cinema(HC) had no problems with the correct audio
tracks (lets you change it too). Or did I miss that option in WMPs
(maybe it is in v11?)?
On 12/25/2011 5:56 PM PT, Tim Meddick typed:
> If you are talking about the Window's built-in voice synthesiser
> feature, that does indeed read aloud when certain accessibility features
> are employed - such as "Window's Narrator" (found on the Start Menu
> under: Start > Programs > Accessories > Accessibility).
>
> However, if "Narrator" was active, you would see it displayed on the
> taskbar as with any other active program - hard to miss (unless you're
> using Win7 / Vista).
> You could try going to the "Text Services and Input Languages" control
> panel, and "unchecking" (i.e.; turning off) the box labelled ; "Extend
> support of advanced text services to all programs" - this may turn off
> some feature in a 3rd-party application that is using the Window's
> "Text-to-speech" functionality.
> To open the "Text Services and Input Languages" control panel, first
> open the "Regional and Language Options" control panel, and then click
> on "Languages" (tab) and then on the "Details" button - this will bring
> open : "Text Services and Input Languages"
>
> The checkbox I referred to above ("Extend support of advanced text
> services to all programs" ) should be found under the "Advanced" tab of
> the "Text Services and Input Languages" control panel. Uncheckmark this
> box and click on the [OK] button to save the setting and close the dialog.
> The feature may not stop immediately, but may require a logoff / logon
> cycle first.
>
> If doing this doesn't solve the problem, you could do worse than post a
> list of all your running processes, on your system, here. To do this (XP
> Pro only) type at a Window's Command Prompt (cmd.exe) the following
> command :
>
> tasklist > c:\Tasks.txt
>
> ..then copy the contents of the resulting file [c:\Tasks.txt] and paste
> it into a reply-post here.
>
> If using XP Home - you can download a similar tool to do the job of the
> [tasklist] command by clicking on the link below to download [pslist.exe]
>
> http://live.sysinternals.com/Tools/pslist.exe
>
> ...and you would then type instead :
>
> pslist > c:\Tasks.txt
"We may have no malevolent intentions toward an ant heap, but if we want
to build a house on the same site..." --Rendezvous With Rama
Ant
Dec 25, 2011, 9:44:26 PM12/25/11
to
On 12/25/2011 6:32 PM PT, Tim Meddick typed:
> OTOH - It's possible that I have totally misunderstood you, and that
> this "echo" effect is present on Window's playing a variety of sounds
> (such as via Media Player, Sound Recorder and Window's system sounds).
Only MS WMPs (v6.4 and v10). Other players don't show this problem. Read
my earlier reply about multiple audio tracks in my MPEG-2 recordings. :)
--
"... Hey. Could we do that again? I know we haven't met, but I don't
want to be an ant. You know? I mean, it's like we go through life with
our antennae bouncing off one another, continously on ant autopilot,
with nothing really human required of us. 'Stop.' 'Go.' 'Walk here.'
'Drive there.' All action basically for survival. All communication
simply to keep this ant colony buzzing along in an efficient, polite
manner. 'Here's your change.' 'Paper or plastic?' 'Credit or debit?"'
'You want ketchup with that' I don't want a straw. I want real human
moments. I want to see you. I want you to see me. I don't want to give
that up. I don't want to be ant, you know?" "Yeah... yeah I know. I
don't want to be an ant either. Thanks for kinda, like, josteling me
there... I've been kinda on zombie autopilot lately. I don't feel like
an ant in my head, but I guess I probably look like one..." --Waking
Life movie
> OTOH - It's possible that I have totally misunderstood you, and that
> this "echo" effect is present on Window's playing a variety of sounds
> (such as via Media Player, Sound Recorder and Window's system sounds).
my earlier reply about multiple audio tracks in my MPEG-2 recordings. :)
--
"... Hey. Could we do that again? I know we haven't met, but I don't
want to be an ant. You know? I mean, it's like we go through life with
our antennae bouncing off one another, continously on ant autopilot,
with nothing really human required of us. 'Stop.' 'Go.' 'Walk here.'
'Drive there.' All action basically for survival. All communication
simply to keep this ant colony buzzing along in an efficient, polite
manner. 'Here's your change.' 'Paper or plastic?' 'Credit or debit?"'
'You want ketchup with that' I don't want a straw. I want real human
moments. I want to see you. I want you to see me. I don't want to give
that up. I don't want to be ant, you know?" "Yeah... yeah I know. I
don't want to be an ant either. Thanks for kinda, like, josteling me
there... I've been kinda on zombie autopilot lately. I don't feel like
an ant in my head, but I guess I probably look like one..." --Waking
Life movie
Tim Meddick
Dec 25, 2011, 10:22:02 PM12/25/11
to
Yes I understand that it isn't going to be anything like "Narrator" now,
but you will have to appreciate that I'm not in the room with your laptop
and you were talking about "Accessibility Options" which threw me
considerably.
It's possible that the effect is due to a conflict resulting from one or
more installed 3rd-party codecs interfering with each other or Window's own
generic ones.
It's worth looking again at your installed codecs list, and considering
removing some or all of the ones you may installed yourself.
To see the list of codecs, open the "Sound and Audio" control panel (you
may have to find the Win7 equivalent) then click on the "Hardware" (tab),
then scroll down to the "Audio Codecs" item in the pane and click on the
"Properties" button. You may then examine information about each audio
codec and also remove them.
If you say you have not installed any 3rd-party codecs, installing any type
of audio software could have also resulted in codecs being installed also.
Have you also tried ;
Changing your default Audio Output device to another
(where possible, it would be done through the "Sounds"
control panel).
Lowering the Audio Hardware Acceleration - done through the
"Sounds"
control panel > "Audio" (tab) > "Sound Playback" Advanced"
(button)
Brings up the "Advanced Audio Properties" dialog, then
clicking on
the "Performance" (tab) brings you to Audio Hardware
Acceleration
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
"Ant" <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote in message
news:6LmdnTxWRcGgQmrT...@earthlink.com...
> < clipped >
but you will have to appreciate that I'm not in the room with your laptop
and you were talking about "Accessibility Options" which threw me
considerably.
It's possible that the effect is due to a conflict resulting from one or
more installed 3rd-party codecs interfering with each other or Window's own
generic ones.
It's worth looking again at your installed codecs list, and considering
removing some or all of the ones you may installed yourself.
To see the list of codecs, open the "Sound and Audio" control panel (you
may have to find the Win7 equivalent) then click on the "Hardware" (tab),
then scroll down to the "Audio Codecs" item in the pane and click on the
"Properties" button. You may then examine information about each audio
codec and also remove them.
If you say you have not installed any 3rd-party codecs, installing any type
of audio software could have also resulted in codecs being installed also.
Have you also tried ;
Changing your default Audio Output device to another
(where possible, it would be done through the "Sounds"
control panel).
Lowering the Audio Hardware Acceleration - done through the
"Sounds"
control panel > "Audio" (tab) > "Sound Playback" Advanced"
(button)
Brings up the "Advanced Audio Properties" dialog, then
clicking on
the "Performance" (tab) brings you to Audio Hardware
Acceleration
==
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
news:6LmdnTxWRcGgQmrT...@earthlink.com...
> From more experiments, it is from the multiple audio tracks (e.g.,
> Spanish, extra voices/sayings). It seems like WMPs (v6.4 and v10) play
> ALL tracks and doesn't have options to customize/change this ....
> Spanish, extra voices/sayings). It seems like WMPs (v6.4 and v10) play
> < clipped >
Ant
Dec 26, 2011, 6:56:03 AM12/26/11
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On 12/25/2011 7:22 PM PT, Tim Meddick typed:
> Yes I understand that it isn't going to be anything like "Narrator" now,
> but you will have to appreciate that I'm not in the room with your
> laptop and you were talking about "Accessibility Options" which threw me
> considerably.
>
> It's possible that the effect is due to a conflict resulting from one or
> more installed 3rd-party codecs interfering with each other or Window's
> own generic ones.
Maybe. I wonder how we can figure that out.
>
> It's worth looking again at your installed codecs list, and considering
> removing some or all of the ones you may installed yourself.
>
> To see the list of codecs, open the "Sound and Audio" control panel (you
> may have to find the Win7 equivalent) then click on the "Hardware"
> (tab), then scroll down to the "Audio Codecs" item in the pane and click
> on the "Properties" button. You may then examine information about each
> audio codec and also remove them.
BTW, I am using an updated XP Pro. SP3. ;) http://i.imgur.com/6gTOo.gif
for the screen shot of my list of audio codecs. I noticed each one can
be "do not use this audio codec" instead of removed (wouldn't know how
to get them back after removing!). I disabled all and retried. Same
problem. :(
> If you say you have not installed any 3rd-party codecs, installing any
> type of audio software could have also resulted in codecs being
> installed also.
Hmm! Good point. I will have to look for those.
> Changing your default Audio Output device to another
> (where possible, it would be done through the "Sounds" control panel).
I only have "Realtek HD Audio output" option for Sound playback's
default device.
> Lowering the Audio Hardware Acceleration - done through the "Sounds"
> control panel > "Audio" (tab) > "Sound Playback" Advanced" (button)
> Brings up the "Advanced Audio Properties" dialog, then clicking on
> the "Performance" (tab) brings you to Audio Hardware Acceleration
I put none for hardware acceleration and same symptoms. I don't think
this has anything to do with my drivers. I think MS' WMPs doesn't know
how to handle these recorded MPEG-2 video files with multiple audio
tracks since other non-MS players (VLC, MPC, and DVB Viewer Pro) do not
have this problem. WMPs doesn't even have any options to change/disable
audio tracks. I guess I will have to use these third parties instead. :(
--
"Even the wishes of a small ant reach heaven." --Japanese
> Yes I understand that it isn't going to be anything like "Narrator" now,
> but you will have to appreciate that I'm not in the room with your
> laptop and you were talking about "Accessibility Options" which threw me
> considerably.
>
> It's possible that the effect is due to a conflict resulting from one or
> more installed 3rd-party codecs interfering with each other or Window's
> own generic ones.
>
> It's worth looking again at your installed codecs list, and considering
> removing some or all of the ones you may installed yourself.
>
> To see the list of codecs, open the "Sound and Audio" control panel (you
> may have to find the Win7 equivalent) then click on the "Hardware"
> (tab), then scroll down to the "Audio Codecs" item in the pane and click
> on the "Properties" button. You may then examine information about each
> audio codec and also remove them.
for the screen shot of my list of audio codecs. I noticed each one can
be "do not use this audio codec" instead of removed (wouldn't know how
to get them back after removing!). I disabled all and retried. Same
problem. :(
> If you say you have not installed any 3rd-party codecs, installing any
> type of audio software could have also resulted in codecs being
> installed also.
> Changing your default Audio Output device to another
> (where possible, it would be done through the "Sounds" control panel).
default device.
> Lowering the Audio Hardware Acceleration - done through the "Sounds"
> control panel > "Audio" (tab) > "Sound Playback" Advanced" (button)
> Brings up the "Advanced Audio Properties" dialog, then clicking on
> the "Performance" (tab) brings you to Audio Hardware Acceleration
this has anything to do with my drivers. I think MS' WMPs doesn't know
how to handle these recorded MPEG-2 video files with multiple audio
tracks since other non-MS players (VLC, MPC, and DVB Viewer Pro) do not
have this problem. WMPs doesn't even have any options to change/disable
audio tracks. I guess I will have to use these third parties instead. :(
--
"Even the wishes of a small ant reach heaven." --Japanese
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Dec 26, 2011, 7:01:00 AM12/26/11
to
[]
That is indeed an extra track - it is known as audio description or AD -
which some content includes, for as you say people with vision problems.
It's not using the text-to-speech facility.
I think in most cases it's an extra audio channel (may be stereo) that
includes all the normal sound (speech and effects), _plus_ the extra
commentary, so that VH/VI people can switch to it and still hear the
normal audio too, without having to have a system that can play two
sources at once. From your description, it sounds as if your system _is_
playing both (one of) the normal channel(s) and the AD channel, which
would (if there's a time offset between them, either in the original
material or in your system) make for an echo in the normal audio, but
not in the additional voice.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
I'm sometimes a bit bewildered by that, really - there are no young people in
it, there's no sex, there's no violence, no car chases and there's no action
and no vampires. - Colin Firth on the success of the film "The King's Speech".
Radio Times 10-16 September 2011
>>> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
>>>outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people
>>>with vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in
>>>both Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players
>>>don't have this feature?
[]
>>>outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people
>>>with vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in
>>>both Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players
>>>don't have this feature?
That is indeed an extra track - it is known as audio description or AD -
which some content includes, for as you say people with vision problems.
It's not using the text-to-speech facility.
I think in most cases it's an extra audio channel (may be stereo) that
includes all the normal sound (speech and effects), _plus_ the extra
commentary, so that VH/VI people can switch to it and still hear the
normal audio too, without having to have a system that can play two
sources at once. From your description, it sounds as if your system _is_
playing both (one of) the normal channel(s) and the AD channel, which
would (if there's a time offset between them, either in the original
material or in your system) make for an echo in the normal audio, but
not in the additional voice.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
I'm sometimes a bit bewildered by that, really - there are no young people in
it, there's no sex, there's no violence, no car chases and there's no action
and no vampires. - Colin Firth on the success of the film "The King's Speech".
Radio Times 10-16 September 2011
Ant
Dec 26, 2011, 7:12:35 AM12/26/11
to
On 12/26/2011 4:01 AM PT, J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:
> []
>>>> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
>>>> outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people
>>>> with vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in
>>>> both Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players
>>>> don't have this feature?
> []
> That is indeed an extra track - it is known as audio description or AD -
> which some content includes, for as you say people with vision problems.
> It's not using the text-to-speech facility.
>
> I think in most cases it's an extra audio channel (may be stereo) that
> includes all the normal sound (speech and effects), _plus_ the extra
> commentary, so that VH/VI people can switch to it and still hear the
> normal audio too, without having to have a system that can play two
> sources at once. From your description, it sounds as if your system _is_
> playing both (one of) the normal channel(s) and the AD channel, which
> would (if there's a time offset between them, either in the original
> material or in your system) make for an echo in the normal audio, but
> not in the additional voice.
Yeah, that is probably what is happening. Now, how do you tell MS' WMPs
to stop it? I didn't see any options/settings to do that. I did see in
non-MS third parties that let me set audio track options and stuff. Does
WMP11 even have these options?
> []
>>>> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
>>>> outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people
>>>> with vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in
>>>> both Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players
>>>> don't have this feature?
> []
> That is indeed an extra track - it is known as audio description or AD -
> which some content includes, for as you say people with vision problems.
> It's not using the text-to-speech facility.
>
> I think in most cases it's an extra audio channel (may be stereo) that
> includes all the normal sound (speech and effects), _plus_ the extra
> commentary, so that VH/VI people can switch to it and still hear the
> normal audio too, without having to have a system that can play two
> sources at once. From your description, it sounds as if your system _is_
> playing both (one of) the normal channel(s) and the AD channel, which
> would (if there's a time offset between them, either in the original
> material or in your system) make for an echo in the normal audio, but
> not in the additional voice.
to stop it? I didn't see any options/settings to do that. I did see in
non-MS third parties that let me set audio track options and stuff. Does
WMP11 even have these options?
--
"Even the wishes of a small ant reach heaven." --Japanese
"Even the wishes of a small ant reach heaven." --Japanese
Paul
Dec 26, 2011, 9:11:44 AM12/26/11
to
Ant wrote:
> On 12/26/2011 4:01 AM PT, J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:
>
>> []
>>>>> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
>>>>> outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people
>>>>> with vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in
>>>>> both Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players
>>>>> don't have this feature?
>> []
>> That is indeed an extra track - it is known as audio description or AD -
>> which some content includes, for as you say people with vision problems.
>> It's not using the text-to-speech facility.
>>
>> I think in most cases it's an extra audio channel (may be stereo) that
>> includes all the normal sound (speech and effects), _plus_ the extra
>> commentary, so that VH/VI people can switch to it and still hear the
>> normal audio too, without having to have a system that can play two
>> sources at once. From your description, it sounds as if your system _is_
>> playing both (one of) the normal channel(s) and the AD channel, which
>> would (if there's a time offset between them, either in the original
>> material or in your system) make for an echo in the normal audio, but
>> not in the additional voice.
>
> Yeah, that is probably what is happening. Now, how do you tell MS' WMPs
> to stop it? I didn't see any options/settings to do that. I did see in
> non-MS third parties that let me set audio track options and stuff. Does
> WMP11 even have these options?
There is some info here. It says options in WMP can exist in the Play menu
> On 12/26/2011 4:01 AM PT, J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:
>
>> []
>>>>> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts
>>>>> outloud with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people
>>>>> with vision problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in
>>>>> both Windows Media Players. It is weird/odd that my other players
>>>>> don't have this feature?
>> []
>> That is indeed an extra track - it is known as audio description or AD -
>> which some content includes, for as you say people with vision problems.
>> It's not using the text-to-speech facility.
>>
>> I think in most cases it's an extra audio channel (may be stereo) that
>> includes all the normal sound (speech and effects), _plus_ the extra
>> commentary, so that VH/VI people can switch to it and still hear the
>> normal audio too, without having to have a system that can play two
>> sources at once. From your description, it sounds as if your system _is_
>> playing both (one of) the normal channel(s) and the AD channel, which
>> would (if there's a time offset between them, either in the original
>> material or in your system) make for an echo in the normal audio, but
>> not in the additional voice.
>
> Yeah, that is probably what is happening. Now, how do you tell MS' WMPs
> to stop it? I didn't see any options/settings to do that. I did see in
> non-MS third parties that let me set audio track options and stuff. Does
> WMP11 even have these options?
or the Security menu.
http://www.washington.edu/accessit/articles?1251
This article implies something similar, but without the necessary detail
about whether audio description is included.
http://www.ehow.com/how_12120430_turn-off-audio-description-iplayer.html
And this one *seems* to be claiming, that the control is in "Ease Of Access Center".
It's Windows, so you wouldn't expect the settings to all be in one place.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/introducing-accessibility-in-windows?T1=tab02
Paul
Char Jackson
Dec 26, 2011, 11:48:41 PM12/26/11
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 03:22:02 -0000, "Tim Meddick"
<timme...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes I understand that it isn't going to be anything like "Narrator" now,
<snip>
<timme...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>Yes I understand that it isn't going to be anything like "Narrator" now,
I'm asking in the nicest way possible, could you please not top post?
It really messes up the flow of the conversation. I stumble upon your
post and start reading it, find that it makes no sense because it has
no context, I scroll down to check the context, then scroll back up
again and start reading from the beginning. It's a waste of time and
quite annoying.
I'm asking because I truly value your input to these newsgroups. If I
didn't, I would simply filter your posts. Thanks for your
consideration.
Linea Recta
Dec 27, 2011, 6:27:26 AM12/27/11
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"Ant" <a...@zimage.comANT> schreef in bericht
news:Gdadnbe6W8MHD2vT...@earthlink.com...
> After playing and experimenting more, I noticed the same problem in the
> old mplayer2.exe (v6.4) and its settings are limited compared to v10's
> (wmplayer.exe).
>
> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts outloud
> with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people with vision
> problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in both Windows Media
> Players. It is weird/odd that my other players don't have this feature?
>
Do you also hear it with all your hardware switched off? :-)
> old mplayer2.exe (v6.4) and its settings are limited compared to v10's
> (wmplayer.exe).
>
> I hear extra voices like descriptions and reading displayed texts outloud
> with the echoes. It is funky! I assume this is for people with vision
> problems. I can't figure how to disable this feature in both Windows Media
> Players. It is weird/odd that my other players don't have this feature?
>
--
regards,
|\ /|
| \/ |@rk
\../
\/os
Ant
Dec 27, 2011, 7:55:43 AM12/27/11
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On 12/26/2011 8:48 PM PT, Char Jackson typed:
Sorry. :)
--
"It's kind of an insane case ... 6,000 ants dressed up as rice and
robbed a Chinese restaurant." --Steven Wright
--
"It's kind of an insane case ... 6,000 ants dressed up as rice and
robbed a Chinese restaurant." --Steven Wright
Ant
Dec 27, 2011, 8:10:55 AM12/27/11
to
On 12/26/2011 6:11 AM PT, Paul typed:
> There is some info here. It says options in WMP can exist in the Play menu
> or the Security menu.
>
> http://www.washington.edu/accessit/articles?1251
>
> This article implies something similar, but without the necessary detail
> about whether audio description is included.
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_12120430_turn-off-audio-description-iplayer.html
Yeah, trying the options for WMP 10's security (weird place to toggle
that!) did not work. That option is for "Select if you want Synchronized
Accessible Media Interchange (SAMI) captions to be displayed during
playback."
Strange for it to mention BBC iPlayer for WMP part. I don't use BBC
iPlayer and live in UK (natural born American).
> And this one *seems* to be claiming, that the control is in "Ease Of
> Access Center".
>
> It's Windows, so you wouldn't expect the settings to all be in one place.
[sighs] Or any software designs in everything. :(
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/introducing-accessibility-in-windows?T1=tab02
Um, Ease of Access Center is only for W7 which is not what I am using
(old XP Pro. SP3 with all updates). :/
--
"The foreign policy aim of ants can be summed up as follows: restless
aggression, territorial conquest, and genocidal annihilation of
neighboring colonies whenever possible. If ants had nuclear weapons,
they would probably end the world in a week." --Journey to the Ants,
page 59. Bert Holldobler & Edward O. Wilson
> There is some info here. It says options in WMP can exist in the Play menu
> or the Security menu.
>
> http://www.washington.edu/accessit/articles?1251
>
> This article implies something similar, but without the necessary detail
> about whether audio description is included.
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_12120430_turn-off-audio-description-iplayer.html
that!) did not work. That option is for "Select if you want Synchronized
Accessible Media Interchange (SAMI) captions to be displayed during
playback."
Strange for it to mention BBC iPlayer for WMP part. I don't use BBC
iPlayer and live in UK (natural born American).
> And this one *seems* to be claiming, that the control is in "Ease Of
> Access Center".
>
> It's Windows, so you wouldn't expect the settings to all be in one place.
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/introducing-accessibility-in-windows?T1=tab02
Um, Ease of Access Center is only for W7 which is not what I am using
(old XP Pro. SP3 with all updates). :/
--
"The foreign policy aim of ants can be summed up as follows: restless
aggression, territorial conquest, and genocidal annihilation of
neighboring colonies whenever possible. If ants had nuclear weapons,
they would probably end the world in a week." --Journey to the Ants,
page 59. Bert Holldobler & Edward O. Wilson
Ant
Dec 27, 2011, 8:12:59 AM12/27/11
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On 12/27/2011 3:27 AM PT, Linea Recta typed:
> Do you also hear it with all your hardware switched off? :-)
With audio hardware acceleration disabled? Yes. It is nothing to do with
that since it is related to multiple audio tracks (audio description,
Spanish, etc. depending what is shown on TV/television over the air
(OTA)) in my MPEG-2 recordings. Other players don't have this problem
and lets you toggle between audio tracks (not played at the same time)
which match what I heard.
--
"What is this? A center for ants?!" "...What?" "How can we be expected
to teach children to learn how read, if they can't even fit inside the
building?" "Derek, it's just a--" "I don't want to hear your excuses!
The center has to be at least... three times bigger than this!" "...He's
absolutely right!" --Zoolander movie
> Do you also hear it with all your hardware switched off? :-)
that since it is related to multiple audio tracks (audio description,
Spanish, etc. depending what is shown on TV/television over the air
(OTA)) in my MPEG-2 recordings. Other players don't have this problem
and lets you toggle between audio tracks (not played at the same time)
which match what I heard.
--
"What is this? A center for ants?!" "...What?" "How can we be expected
to teach children to learn how read, if they can't even fit inside the
building?" "Derek, it's just a--" "I don't want to hear your excuses!
The center has to be at least... three times bigger than this!" "...He's
absolutely right!" --Zoolander movie
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