Re: MSN Toolbar for Firefox
Galen
onlyinsyder had this to say:
My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> Anyone know when MSN is going to come out with a toolbar compatible
> with firefox?
LOL
Umm... Yeah... I'd guess sometime a wee bit after the folks in Hades are
complaining because they need coats.
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onlyinsyder
for. jerk.
Cindy Winegarden
The problem is, it seems ludicrous that Microsoft would customize something
such as a toolbar to work with other browsers. Why would they want to invest
programming time and dollars to make it easy to use a competing product?
I recall their making a deal with Yahoo where MSN Messenger could access
Yahoo's IM accounts, but that causes people to use MSN Messenger when they
might otherwise not use it, and MSN Messenger has advertising they want you
to see.
You can use Outlook to access a GMail account but you've paid money for
Outlook, and they want you to buy licenses to use the Outlook client,
steering you away from needing to use a non-Microsoft client to access POP3
email.
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Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
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"onlyinsyder" <onlyi...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FC20CEE4-3DFE-48CE...@microsoft.com...
> wow, thanks for such a stupid answer. that was exactly what i was looking
> for. jerk.
>> > Anyone know when MSN is going to come out with a toolbar compatible
>> > with firefox?
Galen
Cindy Winegarden had this to say:
My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> Hi,
>
> The problem is, it seems ludicrous that Microsoft would customize
> something such as a toolbar to work with other browsers. Why would
> they want to invest programming time and dollars to make it easy to
> use a competing product?
> I recall their making a deal with Yahoo where MSN Messenger could
> access Yahoo's IM accounts, but that causes people to use MSN
> Messenger when they might otherwise not use it, and MSN Messenger has
> advertising they want you to see.
>
> You can use Outlook to access a GMail account but you've paid money
> for Outlook, and they want you to buy licenses to use the Outlook
> client, steering you away from needing to use a non-Microsoft client
> to access POP3 email.
>
>
>
> "onlyinsyder" <onlyi...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FC20CEE4-3DFE-48CE...@microsoft.com...
>> wow, thanks for such a stupid answer. that was exactly what i was
>> looking for. jerk.
>
>>>> Anyone know when MSN is going to come out with a toolbar compatible
>>>> with firefox?
Thank you for explaining it to them though I don't think they'll understand.
<g> Though you explained it far better than I. I figured mine was pretty
accurate and easy to understand and that they'd be aware that the two
products are competing against one another and that best business practices
don't include doing things like, oh, giving people additional reasons to use
their competetor instead of themselves. Go figure? (I'll reply to them and
maybe they'll explain what they were thinking.)
Galen
onlyinsyder had this to say:
My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> wow, thanks for such a stupid answer. that was exactly what i was
> looking for. jerk.
Actually it was a wonderful answer that clearly gave you a good indication
of the likelihood of the request being fulfilled. To simply carry on with
the clichés; You've got a better chance at seeing God on a motorcycle than
you do at seeing Microsoft spend money, man-hours, and reputation to develop
a non-direct financial return project to enable search in a competing
browser. When Ford motor company gives its trademarks, intellectual
property, and brand names to their competing companies then you might expect
the rest of the global businesses to give money and reasons to people to
switch to competing products.
I'm not sure if you were signing your name as jerk or calling me one. Either
way that is entirely up to you to figure out. I have long since realized
that I can't control how you think or feel (that's a generic you - not you
specifically in case you were calling yourself a jerk which isn't very nice
you know) and have been called all sorts of names by people over the years.
Usually because I gave them information (such as this) that they didn't want
to hear. That isn't my fault. The point is that you will probably never see
Microsoft do all sorts of things. One of the things that is unlikely to
happen is Microsoft making their search application work for Firefox.
Another good one? Microsoft making everyone's PC default to the Google
search page as the default home page. More good ones? Giving away Office
because they think "you'd be better served with OpenOffice.org's product."
You could make a funny top ten list of things that you probably won't see
coming out of Redmond any time soon and the MSN Desktop Search for Firefox
should probably be on that list - and should likely be in the top five on
that list.
At any rate, to clear this up here and now, my role that I have chosen and
performed for a good many years now is to provide people with information
when I have it and they ask. I do so openly, honestly, and without any
effort at making someone feel less than for having had to ask a question. I
go to great lengths to ensure that I give clear answers while not trying to
appear anything other than a fellow end-user which, frankly, is really all I
think of myself as. The only reason I know any answers is because I've
broken everything and bugged everyone to get the answers over the years. If
this is a jerk to you - and I'm still not sure if you signed it jerk or were
calling me one - then I don't know what to tell you. Your simply not going
to see that happen (MSN Search for Firefox) for a long time probably.
jake7363
You're a pompous ass!
There is the message, short and sweet, just as you like it.
Rache
http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/2005/09/30/WhereIsTheMSNToolbarForFirefox.aspx
Galen, I understand the position you take, but one must concur that your
tact was...a bit rude. Defensiveness is natural, though, and I'm sure you
initially meant to sound more "playful" than arrogant.
I must admit that I looked for a Firefox add-in in a bout of wishful
thinking, though. :P
Warm regards to all! :)
Bry
"onlyinsyder" wrote:
> Anyone know when MSN is going to come out with a toolbar compatible with
> firefox?
It's another Microsoft Monopoly. Funny how you can use dozens of toolbars
on IE, but god forbid if you even THINK about using MSN toolbar on another
Browser. I can't wait for another class action lawsuit against Microsoft for
the MSN toolbar. I'll be one of the first to sign up. Granted I love WinXP
now, but I know of a lot of businesses who still use Win2k cause WinXP has
been proven too unstable.
StephenB
What?!?
Not making a *free* browser toolbar available for a 3rd party browser doesn't
equate to a monopoly.
Let's see... MSN Toolbar - provides easy access to Windows Live Search and MSN
properties... Internet Explorer is developed by Microsoft. It only makes sense
to code for your own browser first. And, coding for 3rd party browsers adds to
the audience that might come to your web properties...
-steve
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Azanaz
"StephenB" wrote:
In case anyone wishes to use firefox to check the mn hotmail ( which is what
brought me here) I got the firefox addon: webmail notifier. It's a nice
little gadget that you can have running and i have all 3 of my email set up
so i do it at one click o a button. I also have my new sky email account on
there!
daveocampo
Toolbar with Bing? Did it ever occur to you that using Bing is good for
Microsoft, even profitable? Your logic is flawed. Moreover, what about the
users of Linux who cannot install IE8 and must use Firefox? The only point
you make that is sound is that Microsoft is being short-sighted. Microsoft
should be building a Linux compatible IE8 browser, and a Firefox 3.5
compatible MSN Toolbar. No doubt Microsoft wants to promote Windows 7 but it
can gain more market share by expanding to IE8 for Linux OS and a Firefox MSN
toolbar add-on. Anything that can help to take search hits away from Google
is good for Microsoft Bing.
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MACMan
"Cindy Winegarden" wrote:
> Microsoft has always been in it for the money lol, Bing is Microsoft and "Officially" has a Bing toolbat for Firefox, because I am using it. Again, another Microsoft problem...Question? Yes indeed, why so many Internet Explorers? Can't they get the first one right, use a real OS, go MAC OS!