ok, finished.
Cynthia Becker
Love it! : )
Rob Lindman
Well, let's wait and see if Microsoft approves of it. I'd like to solve this
problem really simply, so people don't have to go through a lot of
contortions just to comply with what I believe should be a simple and fun
technology to use.
It's easy enough to insert an image into a webpage or HTML message, reducing
the 'total cost of annoyances' related to Microsoft Agent technology.
Should also save their lawyers a little time, and Microsoft a little money,
too, to have the problem effectively resolved. If they say it's acceptable,
the next time someone asks what copyright notices they need to include, they
can literally just email them the graphic or paste it into a reply in this
newsgroup.
Rob Lindman
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> Love it! : )
>
>
Microsoft Agent
man). This image is considered the trademark of the product and may not be
used or licensed for use in any other image. We already provide a similar
image that may be licensed as part of the Agent logo program.
If you are going to use the product name, you should really include a
trademark registration mark (circle-R) adjacent to "Microsoft".
As to your character copyright portion (bottom portion in red type) , that
is fine for you to use.
Rob, as suggested before, if you have specific questions about the licensing
policy it is best for you to submit these to the licensing alias.
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you like it?
Rob Lindman
licensing
> policy it is best for you to submit these to the licensing alias.
I now have a satisfactory answer. I will discontinue including the agent
icon and I will add the circle-R. The remainder of the graphic will remain
largely as is.
My primary concern was the typeface size on the character copyrights, and
you've confirmed that the size used here is sufficient.
It's interesting that you called the icon the 'secret agent man', as the
song by Johnny Rivers is among my favorite songs (long before this
technology was available), and even weirder that 'secret agent man' is now a
tv show, starring a guy named 'Costas', albeit Costas Mandylor, not Costas
Andriotas.
Will the weirdness ever cease?
Will there be a 'Microsoft Bob Costas'?
Robby Bob Lindman
'they've given you a license, and taken 'way your name.'
James Jenkins
You know, I really wish that people would read the licence agreement as this
stuff is all in there - it really is not that hard to understand - and I
would be very surprised if anyone from this group could not understand it -
and Rob - you'll be back to plain text in the minute. :))
--
James Jenkins - www.desktopwizard.co.uk
Check out my skillset at - www.jamesjenkins.co.uk
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T-man
Exactly what I've been thinking. Simple, and No Big Deal to include (I think an image is overkill and inflexible).
T
"James Jenkins" <Ja...@REMOVEMEdesktopwizard.co.uk> wrote in message news:O6$swD97$GA.240@cppssbbsa05...
Rob Lindman
Plain text won't be the answer as I'll be using the image to create an Agent
character of the copyright and attribution notice. I'm sure that the image
will compress nicely and an ACF will be fast loading.
The issue isn't whether anyone in this group can understand the license or
not, the issue is the non-developmer audience that somehow instantly becomes
a developer by including an Agent script in their website.
I certainly can comprehend the language of the agreements, but there are
quite a few pages of information here, and having also participated in the
discussions here, the issue continued to balloon in my mind until I needed
something simple to resolve the problem.
I wish people could use the technology WITHOUT reading a license agreement,
the closest I can come to helping them achieve that is giving them a picture
to include in their scripts so that they can comply more easily.
Rob
Rob Lindman
perspective of others who aren't driving in the fast lane on the Information
Super Headway. Some individuals have trouble with even inserting Agent HTML
code into their webpage, let alone figuring out what's necessary to properly
attribute it.
Rob
"T-man" <whyt...@fn.net.blah> wrote in message
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>>it really is not that hard to understand
Exactly what I've been thinking. Simple, and No Big Deal to include (I
think an image is overkill and inflexible).
T
"James Jenkins" <Ja...@REMOVEMEdesktopwizard.co.uk> wrote in message
James Jenkins
licence without reading it are crazy - absolutely ...
James Jenkins - www.desktopwizard.co.uk
Check out my skillset at - www.jamesjenkins.co.uk
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > and Rob - you'll be back to plain text in the minute. :))
> Not sure what you're saying here.
>
> Plain text won't be the answer as I'll be using the image to create an
Agent
> character of the copyright and attribution notice. I'm sure that the image
> will compress nicely and an ACF will be fast loading.
>
> The issue isn't whether anyone in this group can understand the license or
> not, the issue is the non-developmer audience that somehow instantly
becomes
> a developer by including an Agent script in their website.
>
> I certainly can comprehend the language of the agreements, but there are
> quite a few pages of information here, and having also participated in the
> discussions here, the issue continued to balloon in my mind until I needed
> something simple to resolve the problem.
>
> I wish people could use the technology WITHOUT reading a license
agreement,
> the closest I can come to helping them achieve that is giving them a
picture
> to include in their scripts so that they can comply more easily.
>
> Rob
>
Rob Lindman
I haven't signed a distribution license. They didn't tell me which building
to go into when I went on my trip. I didn't find out until the day I came
back.
Do I lose my soul if I sign one? What's the big deal here?
Rob
"James Jenkins" <Ja...@REMOVEMEdesktopwizard.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rob Lindman
Honestly, what are you implying here?
James Jenkins
to sign the licence agreement with MS then they should act as ambassadors in
that chosen area... and to do this all they need to do is to read the
agreement. I'm not saying that people will not make mistakes after reading
it but the chances are less :))
--
James Jenkins - www.desktopwizard.co.uk
Check out my skillset at - www.jamesjenkins.co.uk
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Microsoft Agent
Just FYI, the "Uses Microsoft Agent technology" logo has been posted at the
Agent site for some time. It was created specifically so that developers
could include an "offiicial" image that represents the technology and
fulfills the attribution notice. It doesn't include the character copyrights
because there is no knowing whether the characters will even be used. It was
created directly in response to requests from many developers.
If you want to create your own notation graphic and share it with others,
that's OK too, provided that it meets the intent of the license
requirements. It just cannot include any official Microsoft image.
Don Kennedy also did a good and responsible thing in his work in that it
automatically generates the notices. (I am aware that there are differences
opinions on what he has done and I am not going to debate that.)
Tools like MASH and others have made Agent technology that would typically
be only used by conventional developers more accessible to a wider audience,
but some of that audience may not be as aware as copyright and other
licensing issues. It always helps when more experienced developers help out.
Rob Lindman
> Just FYI, the "Uses Microsoft Agent technology" logo has been posted at
the
> Agent site for some time. It was created specifically so that developers
> could include an "offiicial" image that represents the technology and
> fulfills the attribution notice.
Having reviewed the Agent site intensively, I was aware of this, but there
were additional requirements listed to use this particular image. Two or
three other phrases which had to be included, as well as submission of a
URL/product to Tandy Trower via a form on the Agent site. In the case of
stationary for web and NG posts, this would get excessive.
> If you want to create your own notation graphic and share it with others,
> that's OK too, provided that it meets the intent of the license
> requirements. It just cannot include any official Microsoft image.
Gotcha. No little Agent dude.
> but some of that audience may not be as aware as copyright and other
> licensing issues. It always helps when more experienced developers help
out.
That's what I'm going for here, to make it easier to conform to the license.
A nifty graphic that solidifies 'it's legal for me to use this stationary'.
Rob
Spaceman
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:#Jva2QA8$GA...@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com...
I haven't signed a distribution license. They didn't tell me which building
to go into when I went on my trip. I didn't find out until the day I came
back.
Do I lose my soul if I sign one? What's the big deal here?
Rob
"James Jenkins" <Ja...@REMOVEMEdesktopwizard.co.uk> wrote in message
news:##8cmNA8$GA.302@cppssbbsa04...
> Well all I can say is that any developer who has signed the distribution
> licence without reading it are crazy - absolutely ...
>
Jim Pankey
It's true that more experienced persons contribute to the well-being of any
newsgroup, even though differing opinions sometimes generate 'high
language.'
I have nothing but respect for every developer here, since I am not versed
in any language (script) other than American English Slang. <G>
I'll bet every newbie like myself will profit by participating in this
newsgroup. When I get to a level of competence that will allow me to create
my own character it will be thanks to everyone here.
Workin' on it: Groggily.
Jim Pankey,
USN (Ret.)
wild...@htc.net
"Microsoft Agent" <msag...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Just FYI, the "Uses Microsoft Agent technology" logo has been posted at
the
> Agent site for some time. It was created specifically so that developers
> could include an "offiicial" image that represents the technology and
> fulfills the attribution notice. It doesn't include the character
copyrights
> because there is no knowing whether the characters will even be used. It
was
> created directly in response to requests from many developers.
>
> If you want to create your own notation graphic and share it with others,
> that's OK too, provided that it meets the intent of the license
> requirements. It just cannot include any official Microsoft image.
>
> Don Kennedy also did a good and responsible thing in his work in that it
> automatically generates the notices. (I am aware that there are
differences
> opinions on what he has done and I am not going to debate that.)
>
> Tools like MASH and others have made Agent technology that would typically
> be only used by conventional developers more accessible to a wider
audience,
> but some of that audience may not be as aware as copyright and other
> licensing issues. It always helps when more experienced developers help
out.
>
Rob Lindman
users here, most of that isn't in any of the documentation or the books you
can buy.
It's now to the point where I have so much information, I'm considering
writing a book myself, although I'd rather just write software, and any book
will have to wait until after that's out.
Rob Lindman
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"louis.ecky" <louis...@lineone.net> wrote in message news:ehajp9E8$GA....@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com...Hi alllouis.ecky hearhow about putting up the licence agreement in this group for instance and say get one of the charters to read it then every one in the group will be told what is in it that we have signed our lives away forI for one is dyslexic and I got peedy to read it to me but at the end of the day I am making a web sight for this in mind for those that have difficulty in reading like I did when I was a child and I still do people do a common thing and I don't care what people say but all and I meen all do something called selective reading every one misses bits out no matter how small or how large each and every one does at one time or another and you will never noticetake for instance the sight that has just shut down ( sorry for mentioning it ) as an instance it would of been there if it complied to the licence or would it ????????louis.ecky"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e5HRqkD8$GA.302@cppssbbsa04...