Bill - Cleared up
James Jenkins
Mitch says - '' Microsoft attorneys requested that I remove the
character. " -
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James Jenkins - www.desktopwizard.co.uk
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Lightbee
since I sent him. what pull you have.?
thanks for the update. and the settlement on the being sued part. I was
informed by some one that handles these agents a lot and thought he was
sued.
so since it was a request then may be we can put him back up? 8-)
roving cowboy.
"James Jenkins" <Ja...@REMOVEMEdesktopwizard.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rob Lindman
Rob
"Ingo Mamczak" <in...@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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> I'm more confused . If the character had to be removed , how can its image
> can still be used to promote a product ?
>
>
Remy Lebeau
Gambit
James Jenkins
"Phil Jackson" <ph...@ihug.com.au> wrote in message news:96272282...@mel.ihug.com.au...Strewth! (..that's an Aussie exclamation for exasperation)
It's JUST a picture! The character resembles a million other people as much as it does Bill Gates. As an artistic
work, it's totally up to the producer (owner) of the image to have any sort of issue as to what it's used for. If Bill
was made free to the public domain, that gives free license to what the image might be used for. It's REALLY no big deal.
As far as MS attorney's requesting that the image be taken down, I reckon it was simply ONLY a request. I don't believe they would have had sufficient legal grounds to achieve anything but the suggestion would need to be taken seriously as even a threat of a restraining order on business trade could cripple a small company.
Enough opinion from me anyway.
- Phil.
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:#BcGRbV5$GA.85@cppssbbsa05...
> That's what I was curious about as well.
>
> Rob
>
Cynthia Becker
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Rob Lindman
James Jenkins
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uMzp6Se5$GA.1792@cpmsftngp04...
Phil Jackson
Glenn Saunders
wrote:
>It's JUST a picture!
The images of Peedy, Merlin, etc.. were also "just" pictures on the MS
Agent Webring and Microsoft demanded that they be taken down.
Phil Jackson
It's up to the the producers of the image to have any issue as to what it may be used for. In that instance Microsoft
is simply exercising their rights (under the Universal Copyright Convention & the Berne Convention) to enforce their
ownership. That is logical and good business sense. Those characters are a marketing tool for MsAgent technology and
consequently must be controlled in order to prevent association with any marketing that may infer negatively.
- Phil.
"Glenn Saunders" <cybp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:l785mskjhpfta3plb...@4ax.com...
Ed Ross
Shakespeare and Einstein?
Ed Ross
> The names can't be copyrighted.
I was really taking about the images, the representation of another human,
but the point probably still stands.
Thanks,
Ed Ross
The Agent LaunchPad -- http://www.agent-launchpad.co.uk
MS Agent VB tutorials.
Cynthia Becker
But Mitch is the one who did the BILL agent character, Not Microsoft. They
did Peedy, Merlin, Genie, and Robbie
Cynthia
Cynthia Becker
what about their families?
I heard of people being plagued by the family of John Wayne to remove
likenesses of him from their websites. Not sure if it is true or not
Cynthia
Lightbee
his family for there is no telling what kinda repercussion that would
bring.
so I keep it under my hat for the most part. but I think johns boy is
tired of trying to live under his dads shadow.
roving cowboy
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Phil Jackson
The characters (and names) are public domain by virtue of precedent.
No issues there. Anyone else could make their own versions too.
The names can't be copyrighted.
"louis.ecky" <louis...@lineone.net> wrote in message news:#N$7A8p5$GA.245@cppssbbsa05...
> not sure but i thought that if a person is ded you can use the stuff they
> created???????????????
> louis.ecky
>
> "Ed Ross" <e...@agent-launchpad.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rob Lindman
Rob
"Phil Jackson" <ph...@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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> Yeah. I read about some court case involving the Kojak character of Telle
Savalis (pardon any spelling mistake). Same
> deal. It is possible for a human character to copyrighted. Obviously this
protects actors who depend on such for their
> living. I guess the royalties are still flooding in on John Wayne
imagery, so perhaps they've got legal grounds to
> restrict use of his imagery too.
> II reckon it's just not worth making characters that intentionally
resemble anyone anyway. Too much argument.....
> -Phil.
>
> "Lightbee" <Ligh...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Cynthia Becker
Now... I'm sure you have heard the expression "everyone has a double." If
that is true (and I have seen people who were the spitting images of people
I knew), what is the case then? Can the look alike be sued because "you have
my face."? Do you see how ridiculous this can get? <G>
Like I said before, when are people going to return to simplicity and get
out of the doggone lawsuit-happy mindset?
Cynthia
Lightbee
> out of the doggone lawsuit-happy mindset?
already done that in Texas no more stupid lawsuits to mess up the courts.
8-)
roving cowboy
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Rob Lindman
They aren't. Money is the root of all evil, despite the fact that it has no
real value, is less valuable than people, and that it grows on trees.
Essentially, the only way there will ever be a 'return to simplicity' will
be after man destroys himself, and the mutant flying fish people rule the
earth. But then, the mutant flying fish people will evolve intelligence,
establish a society, and create laws, and while all flying fish people are
created equal, some flying fish people are more equal than others.
Rob
Cynthia Becker
correction:
the LOVE of money is the root of all sorts of injurious things, and by
reaching out for such love, some have stabbed themselves all over with many
pains (direct quote - 1st Timothy 6:10)
Cynthia Becker
part and parcel of a highly creative person <G>
Cynthia
Lightbee
it is mutant ninja turtles . ha ah he ahddeheheheeheh lollololol
I am beside my self on that one. ha ha ah heeheh.
rovingcowboy.
"Rob Lindman" <thegre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cynthia Becker
Which turtle are YOU?
cynthia
Rob Lindman
yet.
Rob
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Phil Jackson
Huh?
That's right. So they own copyright to those images. Not "Bill".
So what's up with that?
-Phil.
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message news:O2zhr9s5$GA....@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com...
Phil Jackson
Yeah. I read about some court case involving the Kojak character of Telle Savalis (pardon any spelling mistake). Same
deal. It is possible for a human character to copyrighted. Obviously this protects actors who depend on such for their
living. I guess the royalties are still flooding in on John Wayne imagery, so perhaps they've got legal grounds to
restrict use of his imagery too.
II reckon it's just not worth making characters that intentionally resemble anyone anyway. Too much argument.....
-Phil.
"Lightbee" <Ligh...@email.msn.com> wrote in message news:uhoIApt5$GA.1332@cpmsftngp04...
> yea it is true. ah uh yep it is true. I was advised not to even talk to
> his family for there is no telling what kinda repercussion that would
> bring.
> so I keep it under my hat for the most part. but I think johns boy is
> tired of trying to live under his dads shadow.
>
> roving cowboy
>
>
> "Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
Lightbee
don't know but I kind lean towards the artist one. Rembrandt? but I only
like beef pizzas.
roving cowboy.
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Ed Ross
How true. Mine says:
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager
for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many
griefs." (direct quote - 1st Timothy 6:10) (NIV student bible)
Someone once said:
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the type of
people he gives it to"
Lightbee
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some
coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves
through with many sorrows.
roving cowboy
"Ed Ross" <e...@agent-launchpad.co.uk> wrote in message
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Cynthia Becker
same! it's one's attitude towards money. SOlomon said that "money is for a
protection "(Ecclesiastes 7:10) but he placed a higher value on WISDOM.
Interesting how Phillips' translation renders 1 TI 6:9,10: "For men who set
their HEARTS on being wealthy expose themselves to temptation. They fall
into one of the world's traps, and lay themselves open to all sorts of silly
and wicked desires, which are quite capable of utterly ruining and
destroying their souls" (HEB: nefesh; GR: psyche - both words are used
interchangeably with the word "LIFE"). "FOR LOVING MONEY LEADS TO ALL KINDS
OF EVIL, AND SOME MEN IN THEIR STRUGGLE TO BE RICH HAVE LOST THEIR FAITH AND
CAUSED THEMSELVES UNTOLD AGONIES OF MIND."
most profound!
Cynthia
Cynthia Becker
Leonardo DaVinci), Raphael.....
you can name the other two! <G>
Cynthia
KOWABUNGA
Lightbee
nope don't know em'
roving cowboy
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Rob Lindman
discussion on a Bill Gates Microsoft Agent character, was subsequently
transformed into a discussion on the Society of Flying Fish People, and now
has evolved into a theological discussion and is now quoting the Bible.
So perhaps I need to make a
God-Fearing-Flying-Fish-Person-that-resembles-Bill-Gates character, as these
topics seem to be popular among discussions of Microsoft Agent technology.
Rob
"Cynthia Becker" <cynthi...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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Lightbee
roving cowboy.
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