Why won't items on a page bleed to edge when saved/printed as a PDF?

[iggraph...@officeformac.com]

Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel My client has asked for a copy/template of their letterhead in Word so that they can create PDFs of their letters to email.

Part of their letterhead design features their logo bleeding off the edge of the page but whenever I create a Word version of the letterhead with the bleed logo and then either save/print as a PDF there is a white margin cutting off the edge of the logo that should go right up to the edge of the page?!?!

Any help much appreciated.

[John McGhie]

The minimum margin is set by the printer driver, which reports to Word how
close to the edge of the page it can position the print image.

If you set the margins to "0" in Word, it will complain that the margins are
outside the printable area of the page. You can click "Ignore" to that, and
that's the best you can do.

It's then up to the PDF Driver whether it will honour that setting or not.
If you are using Acrobat Distiller, you should be able to set a zero-bleed
margin. In other drivers, maybe not.

Hope this helps

On 31/03/10 8:46 PM, in article 59bb6...@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
"iggraph...@officeformac.com" <iggraph...@officeformac.com> wrote:

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[CyberTaz]

Is your client printing to an image setter? Full bleeds are largely
dependent on the capabilities of the printing device ã and just because the
printer is advertised to do 'borderless' printing doesn't mean it can do so
on all paper sizes. That's usually restricted to 8x10 or smaller.

Most printers have a minimum margin requirement on at least one side
regardless of what the document margins are set for. Usually a minimum
margin applies to all 4 sides when printing on A4/US Letter or larger. Also,
Word isn't really designed for printing content that extends beyond the
document margins... The margins define what is typically referred to as 'the
printable area' of a page.

The client may be able to get around the limitation by convincing the
printer that photo paper is being used. If available the setting will be
found in the Print dialog's 'Copies & Pages' list. Unfortunately, that often
determines how ink is applied which may result in a less than desirable
result as well. Another option may be to specify a paper size slightly
larger than what is actually being used.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

On 3/31/10 5:46 AM, in article 59bb6...@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,

[CyberTaz]

Yechhhh... Doesn't that also mean having to reconstruct the document with a
bunch of Left & Right Indents in order to keep the body content, Headers &
Footers from splaying out based on the Zero Margin? :-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

On 3/31/10 9:32 AM, in article C7D99A31.8297%jo...@mcghie.name, "John McGhie"

[iggraph...@officeformac.com]

No, client isn't physically printing the page - she just wants to create PDFs to be able to email to clients.

> Is your client printing to an image setter? Full bleeds are largely

> dependent on the capabilities of the printing device &#65533; and just because the

> printer is advertised to do 'borderless' printing doesn't mean it can do so
> on all paper sizes. That's usually restricted to 8x10 or smaller.
>
> Most printers have a minimum margin requirement on at least one side
> regardless of what the document margins are set for. Usually a minimum
> margin applies to all 4 sides when printing on A4/US Letter or larger. Also,
> Word isn't really designed for printing content that extends beyond the
> document margins... The margins define what is typically referred to as 'the
> printable area' of a page.
>
> The client may be able to get around the limitation by convincing the
> printer that photo paper is being used. If available the setting will be
> found in the Print dialog's 'Copies & Pages' list. Unfortunately, that often
> determines how ink is applied which may result in a less than desirable
> result as well. Another option may be to specify a paper size slightly
> larger than what is actually being used.
>

> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
>
>

> On 3/31/10 5:46 AM, in article 59bb6...@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,

[John McGhie]

Yeah. I might be very tempted to try "negative margins" to get around the
problem in this case.

If you have a page margin of 2.5 cm and a margin of -2.5 cm on your header,
it should land on the paper edge.

But you would need to explain to the client that Word will give them a
margin warning every time they convert to PDF, and if they click "Fix
Margins" instead of "Ignore" they will get the gap they are complaining
about.

Cheers

On 1/04/10 4:00 AM, in article C7D8F7E0.59E76%onlygen...@com.cast.net,

[Lackeye]

Here's what worked for me. I'm using Snow Leopard, Office 2008, and
have a HP 1200 Laser Printer (though this should work for other
printer drivers too):
1. Click File-Print.
2. When the Print dialog opens, click 'Page Setup'
3. For Settings, select 'Page Attributes'. For Format For select your
printer. For Paper Size select 'Manage Custom Sizes...'
4. Click the + sign to add a new custom profile. For 'Non-Printable
Area' select User Defined and enter 0.0" for all four options. Click
OK.
5.Make sure this new profile is selected for 'Paper Size' in Page
Setup.
6. On the Print dialog select the PDF button at the bottom and save
the file as PDF.

You should now have a PDF with full edge bleed.
Cheers.

[John_McGhie_[MVP]@officeformac.com]

That's a great solution for a local computer.

But you can't do it in a template you want to send to a client, because the
Client does not have the Custom Paper Size, and doesn't know how to create
one :-)

Cheers

On 17/05/10 2:00 PM, in article
6348d2e6-9d74-4769...@r21g2000prr.googlegroups.com, "Lackeye"
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

And it also depends upon the printer whether it allows edge to edge
printing. As many printer don't. I tried as a test, to my HP InkJet and
even though I could override and set to edge in Word when I creaded a
PDF it cut off part of the print.

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