Page Numbers cut off
Timothy J. Luoma
(New Word user here)
This is one of the reasons I've always hated Word. It's so stupid.
I told it to insert page numbers (which don't appear in the
"A footer of section 1 is set outside the
printable area of the page. Do you want to
continue?"
NO YES
How about if WORD was smart enough to NOT PUT PAGE NUMBERS OUTSIDE THE
PRINTABLE AREA?!
Or, failing that, how about if it was smart enough to offer an option FIX
rather than just NO or YES?
While we're at it, why isn't Word smart enough to show the page numbers in
the View > Page Layout format?
I'm hoping that there is an easy way for me to adjust Word's stupid and
broken way of working to fix this problem so I don't have to manually
adjust things for the rest of my life.
*sigh* My kingdom for a decent version of WordPerfect for OSX :-(
TjL
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Bill Weylock
In this case, it doesn't matter much what version of Word you're using, but if you want more help about this, please post that in your reply.
I'm afraid the answers are all going to boil down to the fact that you have to read and absorb basic information about setting margins and and headers and footers before you can have anything like control or comfort over printing.
The good news is that it's not all that hard.
Go into Page Layout view. If you don't see numbers, that's because you have set up your page so they do not appear. Numbers are probably in your footer from what you write, so your mission is to make sure that you have told Word to put the footer inside the printable area of the page. Actually, I think I agree that it should be possible for Word to specify footer spacing in relation to the printable area you have set up instead of to the Greenwich Mean Line.
But there are probably reasons why people with advanced layout needs want more flexibility. And surely it's not hard to figure out what the dialog means by "From edge?" It's the edge of the paper.
So set up your footer at least as far from the edge of the paper as the boundary of you're printer's printable area is from the edge of the paper.
In Page Setup, by the way, be sure you have selected your actual printer type. Many printers can go closer to the edge than the default "Any printer".
If you experiment with this just a little, you'll get it.
The best way to check things like this is not Page Layout, although that's pretty good. Check in Preview, which gives the closest view to what you'll see on the printed page.
Sam Elowitch
You're absolutely right. This is indeed one of the truly infuriating and
stupid things about Word. But Microsoft will never fix this, ever. They're
too busy devouring other software companies and making static and expensive
bloatware.
May I suggest Mellel or OpenOffice?
-Sam
On 7/11/04 8:46 AM, in article opsay670...@grace.local, "Timothy J.
Luoma" <nob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> (New Word user here)
>
> This is one of the reasons I've always hated Word. It's so stupid.
>
> I told it to insert page numbers (which don't appear in the
>
> "A footer of section 1 is set outside the
> printable area of the page. Do you want to
> continue?"
> NO YES
>
> How about if WORD was smart enough to NOT PUT PAGE NUMBERS OUTSIDE THE
> PRINTABLE AREA?!
>
> Or, failing that, how about if it was smart enough to offer an option FIX
> rather than just NO or YES?
>
> While we're at it, why isn't Word smart enough to show the page numbers in
> the View > Page Layout format?
>
> I'm hoping that there is an easy way for me to adjust Word's stupid and
> broken way of working to fix this problem so I don't have to manually
> adjust things for the rest of my life.
>
> *sigh* My kingdom for a decent version of WordPerfect for OSX :-(
>
> TjL
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JE McGimpsey
"Timothy J. Luoma" <nob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> This is one of the reasons I've always hated Word. It's so stupid.
>
> I told it to insert page numbers (which don't appear in the
Was there something missing here?
>
> "A footer of section 1 is set outside the
> printable area of the page. Do you want to
> continue?"
> NO YES
>
> How about if WORD was smart enough to NOT PUT PAGE NUMBERS OUTSIDE THE
> PRINTABLE AREA?!
Which margin should it move automatically? Guaranteed: half the users
will be PO'd, whichever choice you make. Instead, Word expects you to
set margins appropriately.
Even if it did an automatic correction, placing the page numbers inside
the printable area, that could change on the fly by you choosing a
different printer driver with a different printable area when printing.
Should it then repaginate your document automatically?
In many cases, a printer driver tells Word that the headers/footers are
outside the printable area when the printer can in fact print it.
Clicking Yes produces a perfect printout. Should Word instead
automatically override your format?
> Or, failing that, how about if it was smart enough to offer an option FIX
> rather than just NO or YES?
Again, which of the many fixes should it offer?
> While we're at it, why isn't Word smart enough to show the page numbers in
> the View > Page Layout format?
It does for me in Word v.X and Word 2004, using either Insert Page
Number or inserting a Page field.
> I'm hoping that there is an easy way for me to adjust Word's stupid and
> broken way of working to fix this problem so I don't have to manually
> adjust things for the rest of my life.
>
> *sigh* My kingdom for a decent version of WordPerfect for OSX :-(
AFAIK, Wordperfect 3.5 still works in Classic. Other options include
OpenOffice (if you're adventurous - it's free, but it's still a work in
progress and requires using the X Window interface, and it's ugly to
boot). AbiWord is another, better, X Window WP, but it doesn't come as a
binary - you have to compile it. Better choices (i.e, OSX native apps)
include Nisus Writer Express, Mellel, and Mariner Write.
I've used all of them - they all do a decent job, have their own bugs
and "by design" flaws, and are "compatible" with Word for relatively
simple documents.
incognito
You might be better off hating yourself. I have been using Word as well as
Word Perfect, both are great programs. Is there really a real problem? Of
course not. Perhaps too much flexibility? Possible.
I am glad that people like you do not write programs for stupid people like
me. I bet most people can handle flexibility. Should programs be written
just for dummies? This could take a generation of programmeers to
accomplish.
How boring.
You wrote on 7/11/04 8:46 AM
>
> (New Word user here)
>
> This is one of the reasons I've always hated Word. It's so stupid.
>
> I told it to insert page numbers (which don't appear in the
>
> "A footer of section 1 is set outside the
> printable area of the page. Do you want to
> continue?"
> NO YES
>
> How about if WORD was smart enough to NOT PUT PAGE NUMBERS OUTSIDE THE
> PRINTABLE AREA?!
>
> Or, failing that, how about if it was smart enough to offer an option FIX
> rather than just NO or YES?
>
> While we're at it, why isn't Word smart enough to show the page numbers in
> the View > Page Layout format?
>
> I'm hoping that there is an easy way for me to adjust Word's stupid and
> broken way of working to fix this problem so I don't have to manually
> adjust things for the rest of my life.
>
> *sigh* My kingdom for a decent version of WordPerfect for OSX :-(
>
> TjL
Timothy J. Luoma
wrote:
> Which margin should it move automatically? Guaranteed: half the users
> will be PO'd, whichever choice you make.
If I ask for the page number to be on the bottom, the bottom.
If I ask for the page number on the top, the top.
> Instead, Word expects you to set margins appropriately.
Which means that I have to continually guess what margins are correct.
> Even if it did an automatic correction, placing the page numbers inside
> the printable area, that could change on the fly by you choosing a
> different printer driver with a different printable area when printing.
> Should it then repaginate your document automatically?
I'm using the defaults that Word gives me. I ought to be able to use them
to print. If I change the printer driver, it ought to either tell me what
is wrong (need to increase bottom margin) and/or offer to fix it
Page numbers are outside of printable area?
[Ignore] [Fix manually] [Fix automatically]
Ignore would leave it alone
Fix manually would open the appropriate preference
Fix automatically would change the margin closest to the page number so
that it will print.
> In many cases, a printer driver tells Word that the headers/footers are
> outside the printable area when the printer can in fact print it.
> Clicking Yes produces a perfect printout. Should Word instead
> automatically override your format?
It ought to offer to fix the problem that it told me about, or show me how
to fix it, rather than just saying "Hey there's a problem, do you care?
(yes/no)"
TjL
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Timothy J. Luoma
> Did you try shouting at the screen? :)
Once or twice :-)
> In this case, it doesn't matter much what version of Word you're using,
> but if you want more help about this, please post that in your reply.
Office 2004
> I'm afraid the answers are all going to boil down to the fact that you
> have to read and absorb basic information about setting margins and and
> headers and footers before you can have anything like control or comfort
> over printing.
and here I thought computers were supposed to make life easier for us.
> The good news is that it's not all that hard.
Shouldn't be hard, at least. I've modified the margins quite a bit and it
still tells me it is outside the printable area.
<snip>
> The best way to check things like this is not Page Layout, although
> that's pretty good. Check in Preview, which gives the closest view to
> what you'll see on the printed page.
Thanks, will try that.
TjL
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Timothy J. Luoma
> Arrogance and stupidity are growing on the same tree.
Well I was talking about frustration, so were you saying that you were
arrogant or stupid?
> Is there really a real problem? Of course not.
Did that even make sense to you?
> Perhaps too much flexibility? Possible.
> I am glad that people like you do not write programs for stupid people
> like me. I bet most people can handle flexibility. Should programs be
> written
> just for dummies? This could take a generation of programmeers to
> accomplish.
Don't be a jerk. I wasn't saying anything like that, and if you don't
have anything to contribute, why waste my time?
I said nothing about too much flexibility. In fact what we have is too
LITTLE flexibility.
Word wants me to fix it manually.
I want Word to offer to fix it automatically OR let me fix it manually.
That would satisfy both those who want to tinker with it and those who
just want to have page numbers that show up.
If you had listened you would have realized I was asking for more options,
not less.
> How boring.
How useless. Not one bit of a suggestion on how to improve the situation,
just some ramblings and assumptions. Don't you have anything better to do?
TjL
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Timothy J. Luoma
wrote:
>> While we're at it, why isn't Word smart enough to show the page numbers
>> in
>> the View > Page Layout format?
>
> It does for me in Word v.X and Word 2004, using either Insert Page
> Number or inserting a Page field.
Turns out it does for me as well, but Word 2004 puts it (by default) in
such a light font that I couldn't see it without adjusting the angle of my
monitor.
I suppose someone will tell me that this is for my own good... but really
it would have been nice to choose, oh, I don't know, maybe something like
the font and darkness of the rest of the document...
TjL
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Timothy J. Luoma
> In Page Setup, by the way, be sure you have selected your actual printer
> type. Many printers can go closer to the edge than the default "Any
> printer".
>
> If you experiment with this just a little, you'll get it.
>
> The best way to check things like this is not Page Layout, although
> that's pretty good. Check in Preview, which gives the closest view to
> what you'll see on the printed page.
FWIW, this answer was actually what I needed, it gave me the places to go
to find the settings that I had to change. I was trying to adjust the
bottom margin, not the "from edge" which is what I needed to tweak.
Thanks Bill
TjL
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JE McGimpsey
"Timothy J. Luoma" <nob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Instead, Word expects you to set margins appropriately.
>
> Which means that I have to continually guess what margins are correct.
Far better you than Word, in my opinion. My point was that not everyone
will want the same fix as you. For instance, I'd probably prefer that
both the top and bottom margins be adjusted, rather than having it
depend on where the page number is located.
Word should not, again IMO, try to automatically fix problems outside of
its control. Especially when, more often than not, in my experience, the
problem is with the user installing the wrong printer driver. The sheer
number of printers and printer drivers out there would make it
prohibitive to come up with the variety of "standard fixes" that would
be demanded. Office costs enough already, and as soon as MacBU developed
a fix, the printer companies would come along with updated drivers that
didn't work with Word.
Word already does enough dumbing down to meet the lowest common
denominator. In fact, it's usually the "helpful" functions that cause
the most grief for those who use it regularly.
Dayo Mitchell
Just wanted to make sure you are aware of the Send Feedback command under
the Help menu, where you can send such feature requests, etc, directly to
the MacBU within MS.
DM