Where to Start Learning MS Word 2008
Norm
:-(
I'm reading "Bend...." and at the same time the MVP site. Helpful but
I'm getting lost. :-(
I assume I should start with Preferences? But I'm not sure if my saving
Preferences is holding. Are Preferences in Word 2008 global (if that is
the correct word to use)? That is that once set they don't change and
apply to all documents created?
Maybe if I can get that concept clear, I'll be able to make faster
progress in this process.
Thanks for the help,
A Beginner (one who longs for 5.1a)
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Norm
Norm
Norm <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> I'm reading "Bend...." and at the same time the MVP site. Helpful but
> I'm getting lost. :-(
OP add....
Maybe this is a better way to ask my question in the original of this
thread.
If you were starting to setup Word 2008 and needed an User Guide to help
in that process with recommendations, what would you use?
And with respect to Preferences, I quote Clive in Bend:
> Important: First open a new blank document (Command-n) so that you can more
> readily save all of these configurations to your Normal template, Otherwise,
> you could inadvertently apply the configurations only to the document you
> have open, such as �ｿｽBend Word to Your Will�ｿｽ. You may prefer to print the next
> few pages - that means you can stay in the �ｿｽPreferences�ｿｽ pane while you look
> through the recommendations, and you can write down what you have decided on
> where your preference differs from mine.
>
> When you have finished making the changes you choose in this section, you
> should save the Normal template. You can do that by quitting Word (Command-q,
> not just closing the document or Command-w). You'll be asked whether you want
> to save the Normal template unless you have opted otherwise. Or you can hold
> down the Shift key and choose File menu �ｿｽ Save All. Since you can do this at
> any time, and as often as you like, it makes sense to Save All a few times
> while doing the initial configurations suggested here.
I gather that just changing Preferences doesn't do anything permanently
for your future documents unless you do as suggested in Bend?
And if you have already set up some "My Templates" will those be
governed by one's new Preferences or the Preferences at time the
template was created?
Thanks again.
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Norm
Michel Bintener
> in that process with recommendations, what would you use?
Hi Norm,
go to any online book reseller, such as Amazon, and type either "Word 2008"
or "Office 2008" into the search field. "The Missing Manual" series is very
good, and as a novice, you can't go wrong with the "Dummies" series. As a
matter of fact, Jim Gordon, a Microsoft MVP and frequent contributor to
these newsgroups, has one "Dummies" book coming out soon; see here for more
details:
Office 2008 for Mac All-in-One for Dummies
<http://tinyurl.com/lgqfcd>
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John McGhie
I think you are quite correct in what you are doing.
Follow Clive's recommendations for setting up all the preferences in Word
2008. Ignore the ones he doesn't mention (leave them set the way Microsoft
set them) :-)
No, not ALL preferences are global. And Word makes a very poor job of
telling you which ones are not!
Basically, anything on the "Compatibility" pane applies to the open
document only. All the rest are global.
Once set, you are correct, they will apply to any new documents created and
will not change. However, once you have finished setting them, it's not a
bad idea to quit and re-start Word, just to ensure that your changes are
written back and saved. If you were to get a crash after changing and
before quitting, your changes would not be saved.
I would also take it a bit easy on yourself: the world is not going to end
if you forget to set one :-)
Cheers
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Norm
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> I would also take it a bit easy on yourself: the world is not going to end
> if you forget to set one :-)
Thanks. ;)
I followed Clive's notes for all the Preferences. Now on to the
Toolbars. :-)
However, if you have time, I am having trouble setting the Normal
Template. I couldn't change the font so I finally deleted the one I had
been working on and....
1. The new one created by Word is in My Templates rather than in User
Templates. OK? Why?
2. I've tried to change the Font two or three times and it never stays.
When I start a New Document it has Cambria as the font. ?
I'll read the MVP site again on setting Normal.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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Norm
Norm
Norm <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
OP Back.
Answered #2 myself. I was changing the Font either in the Style not
under Format>Font. :-(
But since I deleted the Normal Template when it wasn't working, I now
get to go thru Clive's setup again. :-( Now I see why good idea to save
at steps and rename. :-)
Still confused about #1 above if someone has the time.
Thanks.
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Norm
Norm <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> > 2. I've tried to change the Font two or three times and it never stays.
> > When I start a New Document it has Cambria as the font. ?
> >
> > I'll read the MVP site again on setting Normal.
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> OP Back.
>
> Answered #2 myself. I was changing the Font either in the Style not
> under Format>Font. :-(
OP back. I did not fix this.
I think I need to clear all the Application Support/Microsoft/Office
files and start afresh.
How would I do that?
This old beginner is getting confused. ;)
Thanks.
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John McGhie
-76dnUN3koZ7AD7X...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
Hi Norm:
> The new one created by Word is in My Templates rather than in User
> Templates. OK? Why?
It isn't. The Word 2008 template should be in
~/Users/Norm/Library/Application Support/Microsoft/Office/User Templates
If there is a Normal template anywhere else, get rid of it, or Word will
keep trying to import its settings and confuse you.
To change the default font in a document, you must edit the Normal.dotm
template.
First change the default font in the default Theme (the Microsoft Office
Theme) in Word 2008.
Then change it in the Normal style.
Then change it on the default paragraph in the document.
Then save the Normal.dotm template.
Hope this helps
Norm
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> To change the default font in a document, you must edit the Normal.dotm
> template.
>
> First change the default font in the default Theme (the Microsoft Office
> Theme) in Word 2008.
>
> Then change it in the Normal style.
>
> Then change it on the default paragraph in the document.
>
> Then save the Normal.dotm template.
>
> Hope this helps
That does help. Thanks.
I deleted the Normal.dotm in the wrong places and it created one in the
correct location (I assume) and then I started again.
I changed the font just in the Format menu (Format>Font) and saved that.
It seems to have worked.
Should I go thru your steps above?
I haven't learned about Themes. I'll go to Help or MVP site and try to
learn it.
Thanks.
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John McGhie
g6Wdnd_o8ZEQoTvX...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
Hi Norm:
If there are no "old copies" of Normal or Normal.dotm files hanging around,
it will behave itself, regardless of where it placed the new Normal.dotm.
It's only if it can find an old one that it gets into mischief.
So no, if you have made the changes since you deleted the previous versions,
you're good to go.
However, unless you set the defaults in the Microsoft Office Theme, Word
will keep changing them on you.
Cheers
Norm
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> However, unless you set the defaults in the Microsoft Office Theme, Word
> will keep changing them on you.
Thanks.
Will do, so far the few new docs I've launched have had the new font I
saved as default.
However, given what you said, I'll change the Theme to that font.
Thanks very much for the help.
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Norm
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> However, unless you set the defaults in the Microsoft Office Theme, Word
> will keep changing them on you.
John:
Trying to figure out Themes. But so far not having much luck in Word
Help.
If you have the time:
1. Is there always a Theme for each doc? And if so, how does one tell
what it is? I go to the Theme tab on the Formatting Palette and I don't
see how one tells what is selected. I'm confused. :-(
2. How does one either eliminate the Theme option or "permanently" set
it to a default Theme.
3. How does one change the Default Theme.
4. Can one get rid of the Toolbar (or maybe it is part of the Word
permanent Toolbar) that presents Document Elements, Quick Tables,
Charts...etc. ?
Thanks for any tips.
Now back to reading Word Help, MVPS site, and Bend.
As you said, one shouldn't have to spend 100 hours to learn an
application. Pages is looking better but I really like Word if I can get
over this "new to Word 2008" and template/style mental block. :-(
Appreciate the help,
Norm
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CyberTaz
I'm obviously not John but where he is it's sleepy-bye time so maybe I can
fill in a little :-)
"Norm" <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:FNWdnThMM90iBGzX...@speakeasy.net...
> In article <C6CD11DF.1C04%jo...@mcghie.name>,
> John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
>
>> However, unless you set the defaults in the Microsoft Office Theme, Word
>> will keep changing them on you.
>
> John:
>
> Trying to figure out Themes. But so far not having much luck in Word
> Help.
>
> If you have the time:
>
> 1. Is there always a Theme for each doc? And if so, how does one tell
> what it is? I go to the Theme tab on the Formatting Palette and I don't
> see how one tells what is selected. I'm confused. :-(
Yes, there is always a Theme used in Word 2008 & it is simply goes by the
name "Office". In the Formatting Palette Document Theme section its
thumbnail has a blue border. Point to it & a tip box will open up displaying
its name. If you select a different Theme the blue border will shift to it
instead.
>
> 2. How does one either eliminate the Theme option or "permanently" set
> it to a default Theme.
As suggested above, you can't have a document that isn't associated with a
Document Theme, so thre is no "option" to eliminate. The second part of the
question is the same as your #3...
>
> 3. How does one change the Default Theme.
To change the Default Theme you have to select the preferred Document Theme
in a custom Template you create on which you base future documents -- just
as you would any other attributes of the template.
I believe you can also open the Normal.dotm & select a Document Theme other
than Office, then save & close Normal.dotm -- I haven't tried this but I
believe it should work although I'm not sure I'd recommend it over the
custom template approach.
>
> 4. Can one get rid of the Toolbar (or maybe it is part of the Word
> permanent Toolbar) that presents Document Elements, Quick Tables,
> Charts...etc. ?
You're referring to the Elements Gallery which actually has 2 components;
the Gallery itself which displays thumbnails of the elements as well as the
buttons which allow you to select which gallery (Charts, Smart Art, etc.)
you want to have displayed in the Gallery. Correspondingly there are 2
answers:
In Word> Preferences> Elements Gallery you can choose to minimize the
gallery. That will reclaim much of the vertical space it otherwise occupies.
The *buttons*, however, are a different story -- Those remain displayed
regardless of whether you minimize the gallery or not. There is no option or
preference for removing them.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>
> Now back to reading Word Help, MVPS site, and Bend.
>
> As you said, one shouldn't have to spend 100 hours to learn an
> application. Pages is looking better but I really like Word if I can get
> over this "new to Word 2008" and template/style mental block. :-(
I'm afraid I disagree with John on this point unless the quote is
innaccurate or out of context -- I haven't looked to find it :-) Word is
actually very simple to use if your needs are simple *and* you don't attempt
to venture into its more powerful aspects. IMHO, if either is not the case
one needs [and should be willing] to invest as much time as necessary to
learn the skills of using those tools effectively.
Pages appears to be a quite suitable program for many users and may very
well be better suited to your needs, but there will still be a learning
curve. I haven't investigated it thoroughly but I'm certain that if you
delve deeper into the program's capabilities you'll start to encounter the
same type of complexities. The question is whether the program does include
the capabilities needed for your intended purposes. My impression is that
there are quite a few powerful tools in Word which are lacking in Pages, but
if you don't *need* those tools, who cares :-)
>
> Appreciate the help,
>
> Norm
>
> --
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[MVP] Office:Mac
Norm
"CyberTaz" <onlygen...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm obviously not John but where he is it's sleepy-bye time so maybe I can
> fill in a little :-)
Thanks. Given my age, I seem to be awake when the down under group is
wide-eyed. Ahhh..... those sleepless nights. ;)
>
> "Norm" <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:FNWdnThMM90iBGzX...@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <C6CD11DF.1C04%jo...@mcghie.name>,
> > John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> > 1. Is there always a Theme for each doc? And if so, how does one tell
> > what it is? I go to the Theme tab on the Formatting Palette and I don't
> > see how one tells what is selected. I'm confused. :-(
>
> Yes, there is always a Theme used in Word 2008 & it is simply goes by the
> name "Office". In the Formatting Palette Document Theme section its
> thumbnail has a blue border. Point to it & a tip box will open up displaying
> its name. If you select a different Theme the blue border will shift to it
> instead.
>
Thanks. IMHO, it is not very clear as to which is selected. MS could
have just added the name as is the case with Styles.
> >
> >
> > 3. How does one change the Default Theme.
>
> To change the Default Theme you have to select the preferred Document Theme
> in a custom Template you create on which you base future documents -- just
> as you would any other attributes of the template.
>
> I believe you can also open the Normal.dotm & select a Document Theme other
> than Office, then save & close Normal.dotm -- I haven't tried this but I
> believe it should work although I'm not sure I'd recommend it over the
> custom template approach.
Hmmm.... well if one changes the default font in Normal but the default
Theme includes a different default font is there a problem? I think John
implied there could be problems down the road.
I don't think I'll ever use Themes so unless it gets corrupted or
inadvertently changed maybe not an issue.
>
> The *buttons*, however, are a different story -- Those remain displayed
> regardless of whether you minimize the gallery or not. There is no option or
> preference for removing them.
Yes it was the row of buttons at the bottom of the standard toolbar.
Thanks for the help.
> I'm afraid I disagree with John on this point unless the quote is
> innaccurate or out of context -- I haven't looked to find it :-) Word is
> actually very simple to use if your needs are simple *and* you don't attempt
> to venture into its more powerful aspects. IMHO, if either is not the case
> one needs [and should be willing] to invest as much time as necessary to
> learn the skills of using those tools effectively.
I won't disagree (or agree ;) ) as I don't have the background. It is
probably more a matter of my trying to learn more about word and using
Word Help. Clive's "Bend..." and the MVPS site. I probably should have
selected one and ignored the others until more comfortable with MS 2008
or have an "emergency" issue.
Thanks again,
Norm
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John McGhie
On 5/11/09 4:54 AM, in article #eD3YcXX...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
"CyberTaz" <onlygen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> As you said, one shouldn't have to spend 100 hours to learn an
>> application. Pages is looking better but I really like Word if I can get
>> over this "new to Word 2008" and template/style mental block. :-(
>
> I'm afraid I disagree with John on this point unless the quote is
> innaccurate or out of context -- I haven't looked to find it :-) Word is
> actually very simple to use if your needs are simple *and* you don't attempt
> to venture into its more powerful aspects. IMHO, if either is not the case
> one needs [and should be willing] to invest as much time as necessary to
> learn the skills of using those tools effectively.
I don't recall saying that! I am getting on a bit, but such a statement
would be quite contrary to what I actually believe, so I suspect it was
someone else who said it :-)
I am much closer to Bob's idea: if not even "further to the right" :-)
Pages is a great application for making school flyers. With knowledge and
skill, you can achieve some good results with it. You probably "could"
learn Pages in 100 hours :-)
FrameMaker and Word are at the professional/industrial end of the market.
Think Cessna 152 compared to Boeing 747, or Motorcycle to Mack Truck.
In the right hands, Word is more powerful than FrameMaker.
However, someone coming out of a University Communications Degree will spend
between five and ten years learning to use Word or FrameMaker at the
"Commercial Publication" level.
The reason the world tends to use Word in preference to FrameMaker is that
you don't HAVE to know what you're doing in Word. If you look at almost any
business document, you will see that that's a good thing, because it's quite
obvious that the authors of most business documents know zip about Word :-)
While in FrameMaker you do have to know what you're doing, or all you're
likely to get is a mess.
Cheers
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Norm
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> I don't recall saying that! I am getting on a bit, but such a statement
> would be quite contrary to what I actually believe, so I suspect it was
> someone else who said it :-)
My sincerest apologies.... I am getting on a bit, probably a bit more ;)
, but that is no excuse. I researched my Mail archives and while the
reference originated from "down under" as we say here, it was not your
quote. I'm very sorry!!!!
>
> The reason the world tends to use Word in preference to FrameMaker is that
> you don't HAVE to know what you're doing in Word.
That has been my situation in Word X but I hope to improve my knowledge
base this time around. If not, I'm now reassured that I don't have to
know what I'm doing which was obviously the case today with my misquote
and will probably be the case at least at first as I begin to use Word
2008.
Again, I apologize John.
Norm
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Norm
Clive Huggan
<jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Pages is a great application for making school flyers. With knowledge and
> skill, you can achieve some good results with it. You probably "could"
> learn Pages in 100 hours :-)
With incredible respect, m'learned colleague, Pages is much more powerful
than that. It does not have the advanced "industrial" features that advanced
users of Word deploy (hence not my personal choice), but for everyday use it
is a very accessible, elegant application that in word processing mode can
be 90% learnt in a day or so. In page layout mode it is far more advanced
than is needed for school flyers, especially if one combines features from
several templates as one's starting point. Like so many Apple applications,
if you only want 80-90% of an advanced application's capabilities
(Word/InDesign), it's very easily and quickly accessible. And it gets better
with each iteration -- with *useful* additions, not bells and whistles.
When you next visit this cold and windy place, I shall sit you down and bore
you catatonic with Pages' features... ;-)
Cheers,
Clive
Norm
Appreciate any education on my Theme vs Style questions if you have time.
As I set up Word 2008 by going through Clive's "Bend..", I was stumped
by Themes and whether I need to do anything at all.
Thanks,
Norm
In article <J8OdnXOKtMgxcWzX...@speakeasy.net>,
Norm <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
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Norm
Clive Huggan
Sorry, Norm -- I know nothing about Themes because I have not chosen to move
to Word 2008.
I'll resist the temptation to comment on them; others have done so...
John, Bob et al will come along soon.
Cheers,
Clive
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On 13/11/09 8:12 AM, in article
IJSdnaVCv9ag5mHX...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
John McGhie
Themes are an implementation of cascading style sheets.
Now off you go to the Web Coder's forum... :-)
Seriously: I would avoid them like the plague. I have never found anything
that they do "useful". But it can be highly disconcerting.
At a very basic level, it will change all the font colours in a document
that has "standard" formatting. If you restrict yourself to standard
formatting, you can instantly choose from a selection of colour schemes.
I cannot imagine why anyone would ever want to do this..
And if you depart from standard formatting (and there's nothing to tell you
what "standard formatting" means...) then if you apply a theme, you get a
partial result.
Most of the supplied themes come from the "Shock and Horror" school of
optical assault. The mechanism is only half implemented in Mac Word, so we
do not have the ability to make our own themes.
This is another thing that should be more fully implemented in 2010.
Hope this helps
On 13/11/09 8:50 PM, in article
C7237711.452B0%REMOVETH...@ANDTHISstrategists.com.au, "Clive Huggan"
<REMOVETH...@ANDTHISstrategists.com.au> wrote:
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Norm
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> Themes are an implementation of cascading style sheets.
>
> Now off you go to the Web Coder's forum... :-)
Hmmm... you lost this Yank. ;) ;)
>
> Seriously: I would avoid them like the plague. I have never found anything
> that they do "useful". But it can be highly disconcerting.
I will take that advice. Very happy to hear that.
But......
1. Does it matter if my customized default style (if that is correct
terminology) is not the same as whatever is set in the default theme?
2. Is there any risk of changing the Theme inadvertently? Since I don't
see the currently selected theme displayed (like I do the current Style)
I don't know if it has been changed by me by mistake.
>
> At a very basic level, it will change all the font colours in a document
> that has "standard" formatting. If you restrict yourself to standard
> formatting, you can instantly choose from a selection of colour schemes.
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone would ever want to do this..
>
> And if you depart from standard formatting (and there's nothing to tell you
> what "standard formatting" means...) then if you apply a theme, you get a
> partial result.
>
> Most of the supplied themes come from the "Shock and Horror" school of
> optical assault. The mechanism is only half implemented in Mac Word, so we
> do not have the ability to make our own themes.
>
> This is another thing that should be more fully implemented in 2010.
>
> Hope this helps
It does. Thank you.
--
Norm
John McGhie
On 14/11/09 11:37 PM, in article
F6CdnemBENcYOWPX...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>> Themes are an implementation of cascading style sheets.
>>
>> Now off you go to the Web Coder's forum... :-)
>
> Hmmm... you lost this Yank. ;) ;)
A "Style sheet" is an external file that contains the formatting.
In web coding, a web page may have several, arranged in a cascading
hierarchy.
The formatting of an object may be specified several times: the browser will
use the set closest to the object (i.e. Usually the last one it loaded).
> But......
>
> 1. Does it matter if my customized default style (if that is correct
> terminology) is not the same as whatever is set in the default theme?
No. If you want themes to "work", then you need to customise your styles to
use the theme properties.
>
> 2. Is there any risk of changing the Theme inadvertently?
No, not in Mac Word. It would be difficult to do it by mistake in PC Word
also, you would know if you had set it. The only issue that can arise is if
someone else has set a theme and you don't know what it does.
> Since I don't
> see the currently selected theme displayed (like I do the current Style)
> I don't know if it has been changed by me by mistake.
If you open the Toolbox, display the Formatting Palette, and drop down the
Document Theme section, the applied Theme will be highlighted. Due to a
design bug, the name is visible only if you hover over a theme. The Default
is "Office Theme".
Cheers
Norm
difference memorized here shortly. +16:00 I think ;) )
In article <C72620E3.4006%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> >> Themes are an implementation of cascading style sheets.
> >>
> >> Now off you go to the Web Coder's forum... :-)
> >
> > Hmmm... you lost this Yank. ;) ;)
>
> A "Style sheet" is an external file that contains the formatting.
Would you explain for the beginner what you mean by "external file."
<snip>
> > Since I don't
> > see the currently selected theme displayed (like I do the current Style)
> > I don't know if it has been changed by me by mistake.
>
> If you open the Toolbox, display the Formatting Palette, and drop down the
> Document Theme section, the applied Theme will be highlighted. Due to a
> design bug, the name is visible only if you hover over a theme. The Default
> is "Office Theme".
See it sort of. Just one of the reasons I'm in the process of buying a
new Mac. :-)
BTW, if I may digress, I suspect you, you all, have faced this....
I'm going to upgrade from my PB G4 (PPC) on Leopard to a MBP (Intel) on
SL.
Would you recommend reinstalling Word 2008 rather than "migrating"?
I may decide to be doubly cautious and uninstall SL on the new Mac,
install Leopard and then migrate so I'm dealing only with the PPC to
Intel differences. And later upgrade to SL.
Thanks for all this help,
Norm
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Norm
John McGhie
On 15/11/09 11:41 PM, in article
dpOdnUyQtIZia2LX...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>> A "Style sheet" is an external file that contains the formatting.
>
> Would you explain for the beginner what you mean by "external file."
It's not "in this document".
> See it sort of. Just one of the reasons I'm in the process of buying a
> new Mac. :-)
>
> BTW, if I may digress, I suspect you, you all, have faced this....
>
> I'm going to upgrade from my PB G4 (PPC) on Leopard to a MBP (Intel) on
> SL.
>
> Would you recommend reinstalling Word 2008 rather than "migrating"?
OH MY GOD YES!!!
If you "migrate" anything between a PPC and an Intel, I can practically
guarantee you months of misery until you format the hard drive and start
again :-)
> I may decide to be doubly cautious and uninstall SL on the new Mac,
DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!
Your new Mac will have bits of hardware in there that the previous version
will not know about. You run the risk of getting yourself indescribably
deeply in the doo doo.
You know the biggest hazard to software operating reliably? Users, trying
to "help".
We cannot help, we do not know what we are doing. Remember that bit about
"Everything you learn is out of date by the time you come to use it"? It
really applies here. The machine you are about to buy was designed for and
expects to find SnL.
If you down-grade, you get bits not working, and bits not working properly.
If you then migrate, you get Preference Files pointing at pieces of hardware
that don't exist, applications expecting PPC code that cannot run, and an
internal system map showing places that do not exist.
You will then spend the next year or so in here complaining that things are
not working right and keep crashing and won't update, before you FINALLY
accept that the only thing you can do is to wipe the disk clean and start
again :-)
1) Leave the operating system the way Apple provided it.
2) Do not "migrate" anything.
3) You may COPY applications. But only if you do not have the install
disks.
4) You must NEVER copy preferences. Not EVER. The first
preference/setting/keychain/Preference pane that you copy will be the LAST
time your computer runs well :-)
5) You can move your DATA across. Data only. But put it where Snow
Leopard expects it, in your User Documents folder. Nowhere else :-)
I have a friend that migrated his data up from the old file structure he has
been working with since his OS 8 days... He has stuff scattered all over
the place across multiple volumes, including user data in the root of the
drive (a no-no in Unix...)
He has so far spent months wondering why he can never find anything in the
"Open" menu. Why he always has to drill all the way to China to find stuff
in the Finder. And why his backups are missing about half of his stuff.
He is now moving stuff, patiently, folder-by-folder, into the
User/Home/Documents folder where it should have been in the first place. As
he moves each thing, it magically appears in the Finder, in File>Open, and
on his backup :-)
Thank god he didn't fiddle with the OS :-)
Norm
In article <C7272EFC.4028%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
<snip>
> 1) Leave the operating system the way Apple provided it.
>
> 2) Do not "migrate" anything.
Including documents?
>
> 3) You may COPY applications. But only if you do not have the install
> disks.
>
So, your advice would be not to use Migration Assistant (I'm assuming
that is what it is also called in SL) for any migration?
> 4) You must NEVER copy preferences. Not EVER. The first
> preference/setting/keychain/Preference pane that you copy will be the LAST
> time your computer runs well :-)
>
So for those you recommend what?
> 5) You can move your DATA across. Data only. But put it where Snow
> Leopard expects it, in your User Documents folder. Nowhere else :-)
>
This sounds like I'm going to have to set aside more than another
Saturday afternoon. Somebody again will question my sanity..... and be
right on. ;)
>
> Cheers
I'm holding cheers until after I migrate/upgrade. ;)
Appreciate the counsel,
Norm
--
Norm
John McGhie
I understand your worries. Believe me, I had them too. It's normal � I get
it with every new machine. However: This really is a simple COPY process
from one Finder window to another.
Don't try to "help" or "intervene" or "adjust" anything, and it will all
just Work.
On 16/11/09 11:11 PM, in article
IbydnRMFUa8S3JzW...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> Including documents?
COPY the documents. Don't use the Migration Assistant.
>>
>> 3) You may COPY applications. But only if you do not have the install
>> disks.
>>
>
> So, your advice would be not to use Migration Assistant (I'm assuming
> that is what it is also called in SL) for any migration?
That's correct: If you start the Migration Assistant, the new computer
dies!! :-)
I tried it, between OS 10.5 Intel and OS 10.6 Intel. After two days trying
to resolve the resulting issues, I had to format the disk and completely
re-install OS X to get it running right.
You get into an "Enter the Secret Code" hell, then the application dies on
one or the other machine, and after that your day gets very ordinary very
fast...
>> 4) You must NEVER copy preferences. Not EVER. The first
>> preference/setting/keychain/Preference pane that you copy will be the LAST
>> time your computer runs well :-)
>>
>
> So for those you recommend what?
The applications on the new system will create new preferences applicable to
the new machine when they first run.
The old preferences do not contain any information that is applicable to the
new machine. All of the information in there is wrong and without value.
But the presence of the file may prevent the application from correctly
creating its new preferences.
If you try to bring preferences from one machine to another, the Nice Men in
White Coats will be along in a week or so...
>> 5) You can move your DATA across. Data only. But put it where Snow
>> Leopard expects it, in your User Documents folder. Nowhere else :-)
>>
>
> This sounds like I'm going to have to set aside more than another
> Saturday afternoon. Somebody again will question my sanity..... and be
> right on. ;)
No. It will take less than half an hour.
Let's assume that all your data on the old machine is in your Documents
folder.
Let's assume that the old machine and the new machine are plugged into the
same router.
Create your new User ID on the new machine.
Re-install all the applications you have disks for.
From your old machine,
log in to and open the new machine.
Open the new machine's Documents folder.
Open the old Machine's Documents folder.
Select ALL (yes: Everything) and COPY
Switch to the new machine's Documents folder and click inside it
PASTE
Go make a cup of tea and drink it. Do not look at the machines. Do not
touch the machines. Close the door and walk away.
When you come back after the tea (you can have two cups if you like) you're
done. Everything will appear to be where it all used to was, it's just on
the new machine.
You will have forgotten a few things and you will have to go back and get
them. Some of the old files you have forgotten will produce some read
errors during the copy and OS X will skip them. With luck, there will be
very few. And they're normally not worth chasing, because if they don't
read, they don't read. Nothing you can do about it.
Now: Copy all the applications you did NOT have disks for across from the
old machine into the Applications folder on the new machine.
Some of them will refuse to run: delete them. Some will take you to their
website to get an update: grab it.
Now track down the Fonts you want and bring those across. There is no point
in bringing across any Apple or Microsoft fonts: there are newer copies
supplied with the OS X and Office 2008 install disks.
Now go to FontBook and Resolve the Duplicates, or you will live in Crash
City. FontBook should select the "old" copy of each to delete: let it.
You're done...
If it takes more than half an hour, you have too much "stuff" and your wife
was right...
Norm
In article <C728135C.4051%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> Don't try to "help" or "intervene" or "adjust" anything, and it will all
> just Work.
Hope so, Steve just put it on the truck. ;)
And here I thought Copying was intervening with Apple's route of
Migration Assistant. ;)
> On 16/11/09 11:11 PM, in article
> IbydnRMFUa8S3JzW...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
> <NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Including documents?
>
> COPY the documents. Don't use the Migration Assistant.
Now when you say "documents" with a lower case "d" do you mean my User
folder or do you mean the Documents folder (~/Documents)?
If so, the Documents folder does not contain all of my "stuff."
> >> 3) You may COPY applications. But only if you do not have the install
> >> disks.
> >>
> >
> > So, your advice would be not to use Migration Assistant (I'm assuming
> > that is what it is also called in SL) for any migration?
>
> That's correct: If you start the Migration Assistant, the new computer
> dies!! :-)
Well.... I won't dispute your experience. And I am trying to avoid a
similar one for my own limited sanity and my good marital relationship.
;)
However, I'm getting in essence (with some nit differences) two
approaches: one, which parallels yours, and then another camp that says
Migration Assistant will do it all but you will need to install either
current or new versions of many applications.
> >> 4) You must NEVER copy preferences. Not EVER. The first
> >> preference/setting/keychain/Preference pane that you copy will be the LAST
> >> time your computer runs well :-)
> >>
> >
> > So for those you recommend what?
>
> The applications on the new system will create new preferences applicable to
> the new machine when they first run.
>
> The old preferences do not contain any information that is applicable to the
> new machine. All of the information in there is wrong and without value.
> But the presence of the file may prevent the application from correctly
> creating its new preferences.
I thought between preferences and the Library folder (especially
~/Library/Application Support but also ~/Library/Mail and others) that
there are many settings I've made that would take a long time to enter.
<snip>
> Open the old Machine's Documents folder.
>
> Select ALL (yes: Everything) and COPY
>
> Switch to the new machine's Documents folder and click inside it
>
> PASTE
I "need" AFAIK a good portion of all the other folders in ~/.
Desktop, Downloads, Library (hmmmm.... not sure if I want all but
certainly some), Movies, Music, Pictures, Public and Sites.
<snip>
Hope it has my Palatino. :)
> If it takes more than half an hour, you have too much "stuff" and your wife
> was right...
;)
Thanks very much,
Norm
--
Norm
John McGhie
On 17/11/09 1:42 PM, in article
5IudnemGp4gfkJ_W...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> Hope so, Steve just put it on the truck. ;)
Excellent!! You are not allowed to gloat in here for longer than a month
:-)
> Now when you say "documents" with a lower case "d" do you mean my User
> folder or do you mean the Documents folder (~/Documents)?
Inside your user folder, there is a folder named documents. I mean the
contents of that.
> If so, the Documents folder does not contain all of my "stuff."
Pictures, Movies, Music, Sites, they should come across. Just copy them:
OS 10.6 has folders predefined for them.
I would use this as an opportunity to weed the Downloads folder: if it's not
a Universal Binary I think I would leave it where it is.
> However, I'm getting in essence (with some nit differences) two
> approaches: one, which parallels yours, and then another camp that says
> Migration Assistant will do it all but you will need to install either
> current or new versions of many applications.
I can only relate my personal experience, and that of posters in here who
have had problems of an insoluble nature.
I think migrating PPC to Intel is dangerous, and I wouldn't do it. If the
code survives, it cannot run in OS 10.6 (it will run in Rosetta, but you
would prefer to have a native version if you can). But if the preferences
come over, they may prevent the Universal version of the App from creating
clean preferences. So it may crash and hang and freeze until you track down
all those old preferences and nuke them.
> I thought between preferences and the Library folder (especially
> ~/Library/Application Support but also ~/Library/Mail and others) that
> there are many settings I've made that would take a long time to enter.
I think there are not "a lot". Whatever is there does not apply to the new
system, and is likely to make it sick.
> I "need" AFAIK a good portion of all the other folders in ~/.
>
> Desktop, Downloads, Library (hmmmm.... not sure if I want all but
> certainly some), Movies, Music, Pictures, Public and Sites.
Desktop: You will find OS 10.6 easier to drive if you try not to have much
stuff on the desktop.
There are nine items on my desktop. Two of them are there because I forgot
to delete them. The other seven are automatically created by applications
such as the Finder that insist on sticking aliases on the desktop. I do not
"use" any of them: there's better ways to get at stuff in 10.6
Downloads: If it's not Universal, it can't run anyway so why keep it? If
you have already applied it or installed it, why keep it? You can always go
and get an up-to-date copy when you do need it. I know, I know... My
Downloads folder is like a cemetery for "seemed like a good idea at the
time" and "Don't throw anything away until you have made three copies"...
Library: If you use Apple Mail, you should get advice on how to bring that
across. I suggest the best way would be to set up the accounts manually and
"Import" the mailbox.
I don't use Mail, I use Entourage, and I have everything on the IMAP server
in New York City. I am in Sydney. I enter the user ID and password, and
that's it: there's no email data on the local machine(s), of which I have
several, both PC and Mac :-)
Fonts: This is a bit of a "project". Old Macs and their users had hollow
logs full of fonts all over the system. This can lead to problems and
confusion and irritation in OS 10.6.
Whatever you do (and there's a bit of a "War and Peace" following below...)
DO NOT FORGET to use FontBook to RESOLVE the duplicates after you have
finished. If you don't, you WILL live in Crash City with Office 2008.
What I do, and what I recommend, is to have one single Fonts folder. And if
you are going to have only one, I suggest that it should be the "System"
font folder that is accessible to all users.
So I would move all fonts to /Library/Fonts (that's the root Library folder,
not the User library folder). Personally, I find that arrangement much
quicker and easier to manage.
I don't live in a world where I want different fonts available at different
times. OS 10.6 has extraordinarily high limits, and I take advantage of
them. I install all my fonts in a single folder, and leave them all
permanently loaded. Because I know that Microsoft Office is not the only
application set that will give you grief if a font manager starts enabling
or disabling fonts while you work.
But then, I have only 120 fonts. And I never need to find any of them,
because I have all the ones I want to use defined into Styles. When I hit
the style, I get the font, without having to think about it. Some of those
font choices were made in 1986 when I defined the styles. And some of them
look damned ugly these days! I will fix them when I next use the style :-)
OS 10.6 will easily cope with more than 2,000 fonts. I have no idea how
high the limit actually is. Remember that each font costs you a little bit
of RAM. Unless you are Mr Moneybags with a terrabyte of RAM, I would
install only the fonts that arrive with the system, or applications that you
install, plus any others that you reasonably expect to use at least once in
the next ten years :-)
Whether you decide to have one font folder or many, the critical thing is to
first install the OS, then Microsoft Office, and then resolve the
duplicates. Well, Steve has done the OS part: the guy's a bit of a
perfectionist, so we can probably rely on him to do a good job.
If you install Office 2008 from the CD, it will put the extra fonts it
offers in the correct place: you won't need to think about that. (It will
drop them into a "Microsoft" subfolder of the System font folder.)
Then you can start to bring across any fonts you want that you do not
already have (this is the first time that having only one font folder pays
big dividends: you can see at a glance whether you've got it or not).
Take reasonable care not to copy an older font over a newer font. If you
do, you will get some very peculiar glitches that may be difficult to
diagnose. Mac OS 10.6 and Microsoft Office both expect Unicode versions of
their fonts. And because they know that a modern Unicode font can contain
up to 64,000 characters, they expect a much wider range of characters in
each font than was the case in the older OSes.
Most of the workaday fonts in Unicode have about 1,500 characters in them.
Many of the older fonts had only 256. You will spend a lot of time getting
rid of square hollow boxes in your documents, if you overwrite the new fonts
with older versions that have a reduced character set.
> Hope it has my Palatino. :)
It doesn't. It has Apple's latest version of Palatino, created by Type
Solutions Inc in 2006.
Have I not had words with you before about your Palatino fetish :-) Check
out Cambria on the new display you are about to get. On the modern
displays, you may find you come to prefer it. It was built in the knowledge
that fonts appear on "screen" rather than being "printed" much more often
these days. So while it's a nice piece of typography on the printed page,
it's a hell of a lot easier on the eyes if you have to look at it all day on
a computer screen :-)
Now: I would seriously suggest that you should not transport ANYTHING else
across from the old machine, because I think it will cause problems on the
new machine. Problems ranging from random crashes and hangs to freezes and
slowdowns and "doesn't work right".
Of course, you may think of a few things I have forgotten.
Of course, you may wish to give the Migration Assistant a try. I did :-)
I can only recount that MY experience with it was totally ugly, and I ended
up having to nuke the disk and start again.
Maybe they have fixed it with OS 10.6.2. Or: I should point out that I was
going between two very different classes of Mac. I was attempting to
migrate from a single-disk MacBook to a dual-volume Mac Pro with a RAID
array as one of the volumes. Maybe that was asking too much of the
Migration Assistant? But the result was truly unworkable. Twice, it
refused to even boot and I had to power-cycle it.
So I do not advise the use of the Migration Assistant :-)
But if you want to try it, there's nothing stopping you. If you don't get a
good result, stick the DVD in the hole, nuke the drive, and start again :-)
Like I did :-)
Norm
In article <C728F991.40A6%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> Excellent!! You are not allowed to gloat in here for longer than a month
> :-)
Would never gloat..... well almost never ;)..... since something always
lurking.
I'll miss my trusty old PB G4 Ti but not the crackling audio and the
pink hue at bottom of screen at times. ;)
> Inside your user folder, there is a folder named documents. I mean the
> contents of that.
That's what I thought and was afraid of since as you could tell I
thought there was much much more to transfer.
> Pictures, Movies, Music, Sites, they should come across. Just copy them:
> OS 10.6 has folders predefined for them.
I'll copy those folders in addition to ~/Documents if I decide to follow
the "John M." method.
> I would use this as an opportunity to weed the Downloads folder: if it's not
> a Universal Binary I think I would leave it where it is.
Hmmm.... can I tell a Universal Binary doc if I see it on Main Street?
Leave it where it is is the old computer. I think I "need/want" it
somewhere on Steve's new one.
> I can only relate my personal experience, and that of posters in here who
> have had problems of an insoluble nature.
Understand.... and YMMV adage.
<snip>
> > I thought between preferences and the Library folder (especially
> > ~/Library/Application Support but also ~/Library/Mail and others) that
> > there are many settings I've made that would take a long time to enter.
>
> I think there are not "a lot". Whatever is there does not apply to the new
> system, and is likely to make it sick.
I'll try to make a reasonable assessment of amount and time to input.
>
> Desktop: You will find OS 10.6 easier to drive if you try not to have much
> stuff on the desktop.
>
> There are nine items on my desktop. Two of them are there because I forgot
> to delete them. The other seven are automatically created by applications
> such as the Finder that insist on sticking aliases on the desktop. I do not
> "use" any of them: there's better ways to get at stuff in 10.6
Agree. Only 3 here. :-D ....... at least today!
> Downloads: If it's not Universal, it can't run anyway so why keep it? If
> you have already applied it or installed it, why keep it? You can always go
> and get an up-to-date copy when you do need it. I know, I know... My
> Downloads folder is like a cemetery for "seemed like a good idea at the
> time" and "Don't throw anything away until you have made three copies"...
Some aren't gettable again but I have same problems.
> Library: If you use Apple Mail, you should get advice on how to bring that
> across. I suggest the best way would be to set up the accounts manually and
> "Import" the mailbox.
Hmm... there goes that half hour to get to the new computer. ;)
Good suggestion. I'll ask others re: Mail "migration".
> I don't use Mail, I use Entourage, and I have everything on the IMAP server
> in New York City. I am in Sydney. I enter the user ID and password, and
> that's it: there's no email data on the local machine(s), of which I have
> several, both PC and Mac :-)
Me too, someplace, somewhere on a Google server. But I do keep a local
copy. Not toooooo trusting am I? ;)
> Fonts: This is a bit of a "project". Old Macs and their users had hollow
> logs full of fonts all over the system. This can lead to problems and
> confusion and irritation in OS 10.6.
I've never, to my knowledge, install a font. As a said, many posts ago,
my needs/wants are reasonably vanilla.
But I'll follow your advice and RESOLVE. Thanks.
>
> Whether you decide to have one font folder or many, the critical thing is to
> first install the OS, then Microsoft Office, and then resolve the
> duplicates. Well, Steve has done the OS part: the guy's a bit of a
> perfectionist, so we can probably rely on him to do a good job.
Will do.
> If you install Office 2008 from the CD, it will put the extra fonts it
> offers in the correct place: you won't need to think about that. (It will
> drop them into a "Microsoft" subfolder of the System font folder.)
Got it.
> Then you can start to bring across any fonts you want that you do not
> already have (this is the first time that having only one font folder pays
> big dividends: you can see at a glance whether you've got it or not).
Like that concept.
>
> > Hope it has my Palatino. :)
>
> It doesn't. It has Apple's latest version of Palatino, created by Type
> Solutions Inc in 2006.
>
> Have I not had words with you before about your Palatino fetish :-)
Yup and I still "prefer" or have a fetish for Palatino.
> Check
> out Cambria on the new display you are about to get. On the modern
> displays, you may find you come to prefer it. It was built in the knowledge
> that fonts appear on "screen" rather than being "printed" much more often
> these days. So while it's a nice piece of typography on the printed page,
> it's a hell of a lot easier on the eyes if you have to look at it all day on
> a computer screen :-)
I'll try it again. I didn't like it nearly as much as Palatino when I
tried it as a result of the suggestions in this ng.
> Of course, you may wish to give the Migration Assistant a try. I did :-)
>
> I can only recount that MY experience with it was totally ugly, and I ended
> up having to nuke the disk and start again.
I'm trying to avoid that but I've done it before. I like a squeaky clean
disk, well as much as possible, before I proceed.
> But if you want to try it, there's nothing stopping you. If you don't get a
> good result, stick the DVD in the hole, nuke the drive, and start again :-)
> Like I did :-)
Appreciate the thoughtful advice.
> Cheers
And to you,
Norm
--
Norm
dow
> Hi John:
>
> In article <C728F991.40A6%j...@mcghie.name>,
Back to the migration debate... re: Apple Mail; browsers
1. Apple Mail:
If I don't use Migration Assistant, presumably that means manually
copying all my various email accounts details, and re-entering rules
etc...
Is it possible to tell Migration Assistant ONLY to transfer across
Mail with its settings - but to leave everything else alone
2. Browsers and passwords:
Presumably using Migration Assistant means that all my passwords and
bookmarks come across. Is ther another way to do this?
Thanks,
Dow
Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
John McGhie
On 18/11/09 2:21 AM, in article
2pWdnR9Uc4wSIp_W...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> Would never gloat..... well almost never ;)..... since something always
> lurking.
Yes you would. There is a Gloat Tax applied in here for any Cheshire-cat
impressions that last longer than a month...
> Hmmm.... can I tell a Universal Binary doc if I see it on Main Street?
To begin with, it will be an Application, not a document. Select the
application executable file (not the alias) and do a Get Info ("More Info"
in OS 10.6).
It will show "Kind: Application (Universal)" if it is, and simply "Kind:
Application" if it is not.
If you run a non-Universal, the first time OS 10.6 will prompt you to
install Rosetta if they have not already done so. It can download it from
Apple, or it's on the DVD.
>> Downloads: If it's not Universal, it can't run anyway so why keep it? If
>> you have already applied it or installed it, why keep it? You can always go
>> and get an up-to-date copy when you do need it. I know, I know... My
>> Downloads folder is like a cemetery for "seemed like a good idea at the
>> time" and "Don't throw anything away until you have made three copies"...
>
> Some aren't gettable again but I have same problems.
My problem is worse: I am an old fart, and I can't remember which ones are
gettable, which ones would require another payment, and which ones will
never be seen again. I see I am still carrying around a copy of "Unit
Converter Pro". I think that's perhaps the first PC Application I ever
bought on the Internet. I bought it for Windows 3.1. It continues to run
faultlessly in Windows 7 :-) Now: THAT is what I call good application
design :-)
> Me too, someplace, somewhere on a Google server. But I do keep a local
> copy. Not toooooo trusting am I? ;)
Given the recent, widely publicised G-Fails, no, you're not :-)
Cheers :-)
Norm
In article <C7298D0B.40E0%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> To begin with, it will be an Application, not a document. Select the
> application executable file (not the alias) and do a Get Info ("More Info"
> in OS 10.6).
Oh.... I thought you were referring documents in Downloads. Got it, just
apps.
<snip>
> > Me too, someplace, somewhere on a Google server. But I do keep a local
> > copy. Not toooooo trusting am I? ;)
>
> Given the recent, widely publicised G-Fails, no, you're not :-)
Guess this time it is appropriate level of concern given those recent
happenings.
> Cheers :-)
And to you.
--
Norm
Norm
Hope all is well.
Steve's truck arrived with some goodies for me so I've been busy
unpacking, setting up, migrating and learning. Fun...... but no
gloating. Darn. ;)
In article <C728F991.40A6%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> Whatever you do (and there's a bit of a "War and Peace" following below...)
> DO NOT FORGET to use FontBook to RESOLVE the duplicates after you have
> finished. If you don't, you WILL live in Crash City with Office 2008.
>
> What I do, and what I recommend, is to have one single Fonts folder. And if
> you are going to have only one, I suggest that it should be the "System"
> font folder that is accessible to all users.
I did kinda a combo of several suggestions.
I migrated but not apps. Installed apps afresh.
Two questions if you have time:
1. Per your suggestion, I open Font Book but Resolve is grey. Meaning?
2. At first my favorite Palatino was missing. But later I reinstalled
iWork 09 and it appeared in the Font Book. OK for Word 2008 to use it
from that install? I know next to nothing.... make that nothing... about
Font Book.
Thanks,
Norm
BTW, do you have a recommended newsreader for the Mac. I've used MT-NW
for years and I basically like it but the filters didn't make it in the
migration. So far.... knock on wood... that is the only problem I've had.
--
Norm
John McGhie
On 23/11/09 4:47 AM, in article
8a2dnf9ud5mu5JTW...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> I did kinda a combo of several suggestions.
Chucking suggestions in the blender indeed produces a flavour you may find
tasty, but usually results in a mess :-) In this game, you need to pick a
horse and stick to it.
One of the key assumptions anyone in computing makes when advising you, is
that you will not "also" do anything else. If you do decide to do other
things as well, then our warranty is regretfully withdrawn :-)
> 1. Per your suggestion, I open Font Book but Resolve is grey. Meaning?
I don't know: it's an Apple application and I am not competent to advise on
it. It probably means you have not selected "All Fonts" at the top of the
tree.
> 2. At first my favorite Palatino was missing. But later I reinstalled
> iWork 09 and it appeared in the Font Book. OK for Word 2008 to use it
> from that install? I know next to nothing.... make that nothing... about
> Font Book.
If you followed my suggestions on fonts, then you have all fonts in a single
folder, nothing is disabled for any application; so all applications can,
and will, use any fonts.
But given that you have done a bit of a "mix and match" of the suggestions,
I am now not clear about the internal state of your system, so I am going to
jump right back from this: it is not safe for me to say much else. Let's
just see if any problems develop.
> BTW, do you have a recommended newsreader for the Mac.
No, I am still using Entourage: which is limited, but very convenient.
Since NNTP is probably going away in the next version, I guess I will have
to make the change too.
> but the filters didn't make it in the migration.
Ah! So you DID migrate applications :-) You're a very brave soul :-)
Cheers
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Norm
Hope all is well there.
In article <C73033F5.426F%jo...@mcghie.name>,
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> One of the key assumptions anyone in computing makes when advising you, is
> that you will not "also" do anything else. If you do decide to do other
> things as well, then our warranty is regretfully withdrawn :-)
:-)
Actually, when my first attempt.... which was to migrate without
migrating applications... resulted in one "small" dialog error report, I
decided to start afresh.
So erased the new Mac and followed Joe K's Take Control of Upgrading to
SL. I've used his advice before and found it to be solid.
> > 1. Per your suggestion, I open Font Book but Resolve is grey. Meaning?
>
> I don't know: it's an Apple application and I am not competent to advise on
> it. It probably means you have not selected "All Fonts" at the top of the
> tree.
I'll try it again.......
Nope. Still grey. I'll assume it means that there are no duplicates.
>
> > 2. At first my favorite Palatino was missing. But later I reinstalled
> > iWork 09 and it appeared in the Font Book. OK for Word 2008 to use it
> > from that install? I know next to nothing.... make that nothing... about
> > Font Book.
>
> If you followed my suggestions on fonts, then you have all fonts in a single
> folder, nothing is disabled for any application; so all applications can,
> and will, use any fonts.
All fonts that I can find/see are in /Library/Fonts.
There are some Disable Fonts in ~/Library/Disabled Fonts.
Not sure why or how disabled but all seems well at present.
>
> But given that you have done a bit of a "mix and match" of the suggestions,
> I am now not clear about the internal state of your system, so I am going to
> jump right back from this: it is not safe for me to say much else. Let's
> just see if any problems develop.
As you can see it wasn't really a mix and match of suggestions. It was a
specific recommendation that did happen to take some of one "camp" which
advocated just migrate per Apple's instructions and some of another
"don't migrate because apps will misbehave". I didn't phrase what I did
very well. :-(
>
> > BTW, do you have a recommended newsreader for the Mac.
>
> No, I am still using Entourage: which is limited, but very convenient.
> Since NNTP is probably going away in the next version, I guess I will have
> to make the change too.
>
> > but the filters didn't make it in the migration.
>
> Ah! So you DID migrate applications :-) You're a very brave soul :-)
Did not migrate even 1 application. Installed all fresh after migrating
my folder and the settings, etc. option.
I'm still holding my breath but so far my three "issues" seem minor:
1. No MT-NW filter
2. Word 2008 Preferences back to factory default
3. Computer name same as old computer.
Thanks for the help,
Norm
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Norm
John McGhie
On 23/11/09 1:39 PM, in article
87KdnZaprOhIaJTW...@speakeasy.net, "Norm"
<NOS...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>>> 1. Per your suggestion, I open Font Book but Resolve is grey. Meaning?
>>
>> I don't know: it's an Apple application and I am not competent to advise on
>> it. It probably means you have not selected "All Fonts" at the top of the
>> tree.
>
> I'll try it again.......
>
> Nope. Still grey. I'll assume it means that there are no duplicates.
Hmmm... If you have a default installation of Apple OS 10.6, and a default
installation of Office 2008, I believe there will be duplicates. There were
on my system.
> Did not migrate even 1 application. Installed all fresh after migrating
> my folder and the settings, etc. option.
>
> I'm still holding my breath but so far my three "issues" seem minor:
> 1. No MT-NW filter
> 2. Word 2008 Preferences back to factory default
> 3. Computer name same as old computer.
If the computer name came across, some of the Preferences got migrated,
because that's one of them. Unless it has called itself "Norm's MacBook"
because you have created a user name of Norm, just as on the old computer