Line spacing in Word 2001 Drives me nuts!
Andre Tkachuk
Here goes:
I have a problem with Word 2001 that drives me nuts!
It is about line spacing not being properly adjusted when special charcters
(of the same size as body text) are inserted with Insert Symbol menu.
Like this happens when I insert greek letters in my research paper.
I want to achieve double spacing which is even throughout the whole
document. This is what it is supposed to do, isn't it? I accept that it adds
small amountof white space to make overall spacing larger or smaller.
But I cannot accept that it is uneven!.
Just started noticing this problem today after installing Math Type 3.7.
I also have EndNote 5 and Adobe Acrobat PDF creating plugins.
I run System 9.2.2 with Word 2001 ( also have Word X with OS X that doesn't
have this problem as of today)
I also checked with fresh Normal.dot template just by opening fresh new copy
of document and every time I insert a character with Insert Symbol menu line
spacing slightly increases in the line below. :( The size of the inserted
symbol is 12 points. I want the line spacings to be all even. If I open
along a copy of Word X and simply copy paragraph from Office 2001 to Office
X the paragraph spacing looks just fine in Word X. And what is most
important the print on the postscript printer fine also (in Word X).
I wonder what would be quich logical steps to take to trace the problem in
Word 2001? I might just uninstall all the extra helper applications and then
Office and reinstall it. Since my documents work fine on Windows and Os X
with correct line spacing adjustments, the problem is probably with Word
2001 itself.
Of course I can work with Endnote and equations in Office 2001 and then
print from Word X but it is a great nuisance. I am still afraid that my
thesis might get corrupted when I edit it in 2001 Word.
BTW, the paragraph style is 12 Times New Roman and property set to double
space (not at least,.... or others)
Thanks.
Andrei
Andre Tkachuk
by its own.
So When Greek letters are inserted with Insert Symbol menu it messes up the
line spacing.
This is why I didn't have problems on other computers which didn't have
messed up Symbol font.
Any one else experiencing problem with MAth Type 3.7 and Word?
Please try to insert "alpha" in the text and see if it changes the spacing a
little.
Andrei
in article B8896CD1.8BD%tka...@uiuc.edu, Andre Tkachuk at tka...@uiuc.edu
wrote on 2/8/02 11:53 AM:
John McGhie [MVP]
Word increases the line height to accommodate everything on the line. If
you add something that's higher than the specified line height, Word will
add space to the line height.
Make sure you are actually specifying a "line height" and not "space above"
on your paragraph style. You should also specify space above (I prefer to
use space below...) to space your paragraphs from those above or below.
But to give you double line height, you need to specify the line height as
well. You need to keep increasing that quantity on your style until the
line height is actually big enough to accommodate the largest object you
intend to put on any line in any paragraph in that style.
Alternatively, you can set the line height to "exactly". If you do, Word
always uses the line height you specify, regardless of what is on the line.
This may look nicer, but be careful: if there really isn't enough room on
the line you will get overprinting.
Make sure you are making the changes to your style, not your paragraph. If
you change just the paragraph, all the other paragraphs in the document will
be different and you will spend hours trying to sort out the mess.
Hope this helps
On 9/2/02 4:53 AM, in article B8896CD1.8BD%tka...@uiuc.edu, "Andre Tkachuk"
<tka...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
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Please post replies to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
John McGhie, Microsoft MVP: Word for Macintosh and Word for Windows
Consultant Technical Writer
<jo...@mcghie-information.com.au>
+61 4 1209 1410; Sydney, Australia: GMT + 10 hrs
Andrei Tkachuk
Thanks for your detailed reply. I do hope you posted it to the newsgroup.
You will find the MathType people very responsive: they even search the PC
Word newsgroups looking for problems.
FYI: Word uses a line height of 120 per cent of the font height as its
standard. If you specify a line height of "Single" on a 10 pt font you will
get a line height of 12, 14 for a 12 point font.
You can use a line height of "At least" 15 points to overcome your current
difficulty.
Hope this helps
On 11/2/02 11:28 AM, "AT" <bozh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
> Thanks for your reply!
> I found that the problem was with Symbol font that Mathtype 3.7 put into
> Word. It replaced original Symbol font with it. Mathtype replaces Equation
> Editor in Word and I think it replaces the font to make equations look
> pretty. It probably does, but it messes up the line spacing in word making
> it uneven when Symbol font character is used inline. What you have described
> is related to overall spacing adjusting due to variable height characters.
> What I experienced was just individual line where Symbol font was used (by
> the way the height of the inserted Symbol character was the same as the size
> of text in the paragraph). So substituted font was the problem. As soon as
> I replaced troubled font with original Word's Symbol, lines magically became
> even in the whole document.
> It really sucked to spend time to make my thesis look graduate school
> compliant again. :)
> Mathtype is also very persistent. I couldn't revert back to Equation editor
> 3.0 (using instructions in Mathtype manual). I was supposed to launch
> equation editor before Word and it was supposed to put Equation editor back
> into the list of objects in Insert->Object... list of OLE applications. I
> had to reinstall Office 2001 from the beginning using office remove tool
> first. So fixing the main problem with font by replacing it with original, I
> still had to do reinstall. That really sucked. But now I have a clean
> version of Word hopefully free of additional corruptions and bugs. ;)
> I am going to write to Math type people about all these problems.
> Thanks for your help again.
>
> on 2/8/02 9:11 PM, John McGhie [MVP] at jo...@mcghie-information.com.au
> wrote:
>
>> Andre:
>>
>> Word increases the line height to accommodate everything on the line. If
>> you add something that's higher than the specified line height, Word will
>> add space to the line height.
>>
>> Make sure you are actually specifying a "line height" and not "space above"
>> on your paragraph style. You should also specify space above (I prefer to
>> use space below...) to space your paragraphs from those above or below.
>>
>> But to give you double line height, you need to specify the line height as
>> well. You need to keep increasing that quantity on your style until the
>> line height is actually big enough to accommodate the largest object you
>> intend to put on any line in any paragraph in that style.
>>
>> Alternatively, you can set the line height to "exactly". If you do, Word
>> always uses the line height you specify, regardless of what is on the line.
>> This may look nicer, but be careful: if there really isn't enough room on
>> the line you will get overprinting.
>>
>> Make sure you are making the changes to your style, not your paragraph. If
>> you change just the paragraph, all the other paragraphs in the document will
>> be different and you will spend hours trying to sort out the mess.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> On 9/2/02 4:53 AM, in article B8896CD1.8BD%tka...@uiuc.edu, "Andre Tkachuk"
--
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie-information.com.au>
Technical Writer; Microsoft MVP -- Word for Windows and Word for Macintosh
+61 4 1209 1410. Sydney, Australia (GMT + 10 hrs)
Bob Mathews
> Problem was in Math Type 3.7. It changes Symbol font for some strange reason
> by its own. So When Greek letters are inserted with Insert Symbol menu it
> messes up the line spacing. This is why I didn't have problems on other
> computers which didn't have messed up Symbol font.
Andrei, I've read your posts and John's response, and have some
comments of my own to offer...
The Symbol font that we distribute is based on Adobe's version of
Symbol. Sometimes typefaces may have the same name, but that just
means that they look similar, but can still be different.
Most PostScript printers contain a PostScript font made by either
Adobe or Monotype. The version of Symbol that Apple distributes was
created by Bitstream. The Bitstream version of Symbol does not match
the Monotype and Adobe versions, so it causes problems when printing
on PostScript printers. We distribute our own version of Symbol for
two reasons: Apple's version will not let people print simulated bold
characters on a PostScript printer and, because the metrics of the
Bitstream font don't match what is on PostScript printers,
multicharacter fence templates such as parentheses and integrals may
not print correctly on PostScript printers because the Bitstream
characters have incorrect metrics for the equations or special
characters.
Because our version of Symbol is based on a taller version of Symbol,
it extends the line spacing when a character from our Symbol font is
used in a sentence. The Mac OS Symbol font also increases the line
spacing, but not nearly as much.
It is important to realize that line spacing is not calculated
according to a typeface's point size. Rather, it is a distinct
attribute decided by the font designer. You can see this easily by
typing a few lines of capital X in Times New Roman 12 pt and selecting
a single X and changing it to Comic Sans 12 pt.
If you don't print on a PostScript printer and don't send documents to
people that do, you can use the Mac OS version of Symbol if you want.
A better alternative is just to use exact line spacing in Word to
force Word to keep line spacing consistent. Even if you want to use
the Bitstream version of Symbol, you still may want to do this because
that version changes the line spacing as well, even if it is less
noticeable.
Bob Mathews bo...@dessci.com
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