Odd hyphens with Century typeface in Word
Charles
Office-supplied TrueType Century typeface, hyphens oddly appear too
high. Instead of near the middle of lower-case letters, they are at the
top of them.
The Adobe Postscript version of Century appears fine.
Anyone else have this problem?
Charles
John McGhie
I shall get the long-suffering Curt to put that on the list.
Sadly, I suspect we will have to wait for a new version of Office to get a
new font. In the meantime, be very thankful tat you have an Adobe version
to use :-)
Cheers
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Charles
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> Eeeewwww..... Yes, I reproduce that. Disgusting :-)
The font shows up that way in Suitcase too, but if it is the font itself
that is the problem, I wonder why no one has ever noticed it before?
Charles
John McGhie
Well, in my case, it's because I never use Century.
And even if I had, I doubt if I would have noticed that the hyphen is at the
wrong height :-)
Cheers
On 25/3/08 2:41 PM, in article
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Phillip Jones
would the version in 2004 work? locate that one and say put in in system
fonts folder see what happens?
John McGhie wrote:
> Eeeewwww..... Yes, I reproduce that. Disgusting :-)
>
> I shall get the long-suffering Curt to put that on the list.
>
> Sadly, I suspect we will have to wait for a new version of Office to get a
> new font. In the meantime, be very thankful tat you have an Adobe version
> to use :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 25/3/08 7:24 AM, in article
> NoSpam-8468F1....@sfo.news.speakeasy.net, "Charles"
> <NoS...@NoSpam.tld> wrote:
>
>> In Word 2004 or 2008 (OS X 10.4.11), when I use the Microsoft
>> Office-supplied TrueType Century typeface, hyphens oddly appear too
>> high. Instead of near the middle of lower-case letters, they are at the
>> top of them.
>>
>> The Adobe Postscript version of Century appears fine.
>>
>> Anyone else have this problem?
>>
>> Charles
>
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Charles
Phillip Jones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> I have a Thought! maybe a dumb one, but a thought anyway. :-)
>
> would the version in 2004 work? locate that one and say put in in system
> fonts folder see what happens?
Thanks for the suggestion. I have both 2004 and 2008, so I can choose
the font from either one, but it's the same problem with one from 2004.
Charles
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Charles
Phillip Jones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> Okay we now now it was poor design of the font from MS.
Yes, but it is hard for me to believe that this just started yesterday.
I noticed it because I was looking at some Word docs created by someone
else who always uses Century. I don't remember seeing this when I first
looked at the same files a few years ago (probably using whatever Mac
version of Word came before 2004). I certainly think I would have
noticed it.
What I am wondering is if this is the same for Windows users. (The files
were created in Windows.)
Charles
CyberTaz
AutoText is what you want, OK - you'll find plenty about it in Help, but it
works exactly as in Word 97-2003.
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 3/27/08 1:45 AM, in article
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Charles
CyberTaz <onlygen...@com.cast.net> wrote:
> AutoText is what you want, OK - you'll find plenty about it in Help, but it
> works exactly as in Word 97-2003.
Thank you for the tip, but could you please explain? I am confused as to
how this might fix a font-design problem.
Charles
Elliott Roper
Charles <NoS...@NoSpam.tld> wrote:
So am I, but your original query is interesting. I find it quite
difficult to resolve all the provenance and naming malarkey to do with
fonts. I have several Century faces on my machines. One of them
labelled v1.25 shows the too-high hyphens. I think it came with Office
2004 going by its file date match with comic sans, times new roman and
other things that only Microsoft would own up to.
Interestingly, I think mine is mis-named. Apart from the hyphens, it is
identical to Century Schoolbook v 1.6, which also has the same creation
date here. Schoolbook is much more expanded, more rounded and with less
contrast than most of the other Century faces.
If you have Century Schoolbook on your machine, could you compare the
two in Font Book? (Use cmd-3 to display chosen text and type in a
phrase with hyphens)
PS I have just discovered that you can't beat a font to death with a
stick in Leopard. Turning Century off in font book, deleting it,
emptying the trash, threatening it with a chicken carcass all have no
effect. I guess it is buried in a cache somewhere, but cache rebuilds
have gotten *very* scary. All I wanted to do was see what Word 2004
would substitute. But that pesky hyphen is still there, and still
claiming to be Century.
Gaack!
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Charles
Elliott Roper <nos...@yrl.co.uk> wrote:
> Interestingly, I think mine is mis-named. Apart from the hyphens, it is
> identical to Century Schoolbook v 1.6, which also has the same creation
> date here. Schoolbook is much more expanded, more rounded and with less
> contrast than most of the other Century faces.
>
> If you have Century Schoolbook on your machine, could you compare the
> two in Font Book? (Use cmd-3 to display chosen text and type in a
> phrase with hyphens)
I get the same results--except for the hyphens, I can't distinguish
between the TrueType versions of Century and Century Schoolbook.
Dashes, by the way, seem fine in TT Century; it's only the hyphens that
are a problem.
Charles
Elliott Roper
Charles <NoS...@NoSpam.tld> wrote:
Thanks for doing that test Charles. It seems likely that a mis-named
Century Schoolbook with busted hyphens made it onto both our machines.
My money is on the Office 2004 installation, but I want good odds.
Why Microsoft (if indeed it was Microsoft) gave us two fonts on the
same disk with different names differing only in a mistake is beyond
me.
Heh! But as I started off this thread by saying, there is lots of stuff
to do with fonts I don't understand.
Daiya Mitchell
> Heh! But as I started off this thread by saying, there is lots of stuff
> to do with fonts I don't understand.
>
I actually bought the Take Control of Fonts book, in a moment of
resolution to get a clue. Haven't opened it yet. But that's okay,
because I bought the Leopard version, and I haven't installed Leopard
yet either.
Charles
Elliott Roper <nos...@yrl.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks for doing that test Charles. It seems likely that a mis-named
> Century Schoolbook with busted hyphens made it onto both our machines.
> My money is on the Office 2004 installation, but I want good odds.
My question now is whether this is a Mac-only problem. Anyone using a
Windows version of Word who sees this too?
Charles
June Low [MSFT]
I can confirm that it happens in the Windows version as well and we're
looking into the issue.
- June
OfficeArt Tester, MacBU
Microsoft
On 3/28/08 10:22 AM, in article
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"June Low [MSFT]" <june...@NOSPAM.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I can confirm that it happens in the Windows version as well and we're
> looking into the issue.
I am very impressed that this has attracted official attention!
Charles
John McGhie
Curt flicked it to June, who looks after the font collection in Microsoft
Macintosh Business Unit.
June will flick it to Microsoft Typography, which does the fonts for the
whole corporation.
Charles, you do you realise that you are about to replace the hyphens on
900,000,000 computers, don't you? :-)
Cheers
On 29/03/08 6:41 AM, in article
NoSpam-14A5C8....@sfo.news.speakeasy.net, "Charles"
<NoS...@NoSpam.tld> wrote:
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Charles
John McGhie <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:
> I told you I would get the long-suffering Curt on the job, and I did :-)
>
> Curt flicked it to June, who looks after the font collection in Microsoft
> Macintosh Business Unit.
>
> June will flick it to Microsoft Typography, which does the fonts for the
> whole corporation.
>
> Charles, you do you realise that you are about to replace the hyphens on
> 900,000,000 computers, don't you? :-)
Well, some of the hyphens at least! And yes, it certainly is interesting
to contemplate the relative enormity of it all.
Thank you for having gotten this rolling in the first place. Again, I am
very impressed by the responsiveness MS has shown.
Charles
Phillip Jones
the stress. :-D
John McGhie wrote:
> I told you I would get the long-suffering Curt on the job, and I did :-)
>
> Curt flicked it to June, who looks after the font collection in Microsoft
> Macintosh Business Unit.
>
> June will flick it to Microsoft Typography, which does the fonts for the
> whole corporation.
>
> Charles, you do you realise that you are about to replace the hyphens on
> 900,000,000 computers, don't you? :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 29/03/08 6:41 AM, in article
> NoSpam-14A5C8....@sfo.news.speakeasy.net, "Charles"
> <NoS...@NoSpam.tld> wrote:
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>> In article <C4127D92.FC83%june...@NOSPAM.microsoft.com>,
>> "June Low [MSFT]" <june...@NOSPAM.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can confirm that it happens in the Windows version as well and we're
>>> looking into the issue.
>> I am very impressed that this has attracted official attention!
>>
>> Charles
>
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