[ANN] Office for Mac 2008 prices announced
Diane
for release in January 2008.
In addition, Microsoft announced a "technology guarantee program," As of
September 25, for anyone who purchases Office 2004 for Mac between now and
March 15 will get an upgrade to the 2008 equivalent for the cost of shipping
and handling when the final version ships.
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Daiya Mitchell
considered an improvement over Office X (at least in Word, it has new
features while X is basically a port of 2001), and Office 2004 will
continue to have VBA while Office 2008 won't, so purchasing Office 2004
will let you have the best of both worlds for just S&H (probably an
overpriced $15 or so, but still worth it, I should think).
Carl Witthoft
The Student/Teacher edition of 2008 will not have Entourage -- i.e. no
ability to connect w/ MS Exchange Server. Office04 Student Edition does
include Entourage.
Poo on Microsoft.
In article <#cVUyxHA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
Daiya Mitchell <daiya...@mvps.org.INVALID> wrote:
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carl-D5406E.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com, "Carl Witthoft"
<ca...@witthoft.com> wrote:
> Hidden in all the hype is a downgrade in the package:
>
> The Student/Teacher edition of 2008 will not have Entourage -- i.e. no
> ability to connect w/ MS Exchange Server. Office04 Student Edition does
> include Entourage.
It will include Entourage. Just not exchange.
One thing to note is the change in name. "Student and Teacher Edition" has
been replaced with "Home and Student Edition"! That means anyone (except
businesses) can buy Office 2008 for home for a much more affordable $150.00.
Phillip Jones
Computerworld just sent and update where Excel's Math in the 2007
version is defective. any figures that add, subtract, multiple, or
divide a certain number 65, plus some don't show the proper number but
100,000. any numbers over that number or under work fine. there were
several thousand messages to Excel Support that caught the problem. Will
be a week or more before the next update and MS is unsure whether a fix
will be ready in time.
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the Student Teacher package was missing so features to make the price
cheaper.
Kin of like buying a Cadillac without air conditioning to save money.
Diane wrote:
> On 9/26/07 2:17 PM, in article
> carl-D5406E.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com, "Carl Witthoft"
> <ca...@witthoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Hidden in all the hype is a downgrade in the package:
>>
>> The Student/Teacher edition of 2008 will not have Entourage -- i.e. no
>> ability to connect w/ MS Exchange Server. Office04 Student Edition does
>> include Entourage.
>
> It will include Entourage. Just not exchange.
>
> One thing to note is the change in name. "Student and Teacher Edition" has
> been replaced with "Home and Student Edition"! That means anyone (except
> businesses) can buy Office 2008 for home for a much more affordable $150.00.
>
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the Entourage Help Blog when that is available.
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On 9/26/07 3:58 PM, in article eNp8wCJA...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
"Phillip Jones" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
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so. We've had several questions from people about whether they should
buy 2004 or wait for 2008. Now they can have both for only a little extra!
JE McGimpsey
sent by "Computerworld" (I'm not familiar with whatever that is).
The bug is very limited. The fix has NOTHING to do with "the next
update", and will be available independently, once it has gone through
the test cycle.
The math is NOT defective, the *display* of two specific values is
(certain values near 65535 and 65536 display as 100000 and 100001,
respectively). This isn't a good thing, but it's certainly not the
disaster that a calculation error would have been:
http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/archive/2007/09/25/calculation-issue-update.a
spx
In article <ev9W#AJAIH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
Elliott Roper
McGimpsey <jemcg...@mvps.org> wrote:
> It's much better to cite actual information from MS than vague rumors
> sent by "Computerworld" (I'm not familiar with whatever that is).
>
> The bug is very limited. The fix has NOTHING to do with "the next
> update", and will be available independently, once it has gone through
> the test cycle.
>
> The math is NOT defective, the *display* of two specific values is
> (certain values near 65535 and 65536 display as 100000 and 100001,
> respectively). This isn't a good thing, but it's certainly not the
> disaster that a calculation error would have been:
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/archive/2007/09/25/calculation-issue-update.a
> spx
Well, that's putting a pretty fine spin on it.
And it is not only a display bug according to two of the posters to
that article. ( I can't test it myself without Excel 2007 and a Windows
OS)
to quote one
A1 =850*77.1 --> 100000
B1 =A1+1 --> 100001 (realy a display bug???)
C1 =A1-1 --> 65534
D1 =B1-C1 --> 2
..the other pointed out that ROUND(A1) produces 100000 for real.
That *is* a calculation error if true.
That is *very* sloppy work by MS. If ever there were a single edge
condition that had to regression tested at every release then 65336 ==
2^16 would have to be a top candidate.
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JE McGimpsey
Elliott Roper <nos...@yrl.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, that's putting a pretty fine spin on it.
Just trying not to panic, or engage in schadenfreude
> And it is not only a display bug according to two of the posters to
> that article. ( I can't test it myself without Excel 2007 and a Windows
> OS)
If they'd read the article, they'd see they're wrong.
> to quote one
> A1 =850*77.1 --> 100000
> B1 =A1+1 --> 100001 (realy a display bug???)
> C1 =A1-1 --> 65534
> D1 =B1-C1 --> 2
SInce A1+1 = 65536, and 65536 is one of the two values that produces the
display bug, it's hardly surprising that the display of A1+1 is also
faulty, but A1-1 isn't.
> ..the other pointed out that ROUND(A1) produces 100000 for real.
> That *is* a calculation error if true.
Uh, no. Since ROUND(A1) produces (at the internal representation level)
the *same* result as A1 (i.e, 65535 or 65536), it says nothing about a
calculation error.
> That is *very* sloppy work by MS. If ever there were a single edge
> condition that had to regression tested at every release then 65336 ==
> 2^16 would have to be a top candidate.
I absolutely agree that it's sloppy. But I don't necessarily agree it
would be a top candidate for thorough checking.
First of all, as far as the calculation is concerned, it can't have
anything to do with 2-byte boundaries - all of XL's numeric values
(including integers) are stored in IEEE double-precision floating point
representation, which means 64-bit values, not 16. And while the Pentium
bug is still relatively fresh memory, no subsequent FPU has had a
problem with 64-bit math.
So there's no *inherent* "edge" at 2-bytes when it comes to converting
those 64-bit numbers to ASCII decimal representations.
That said, MS obviously *created* an edge in its internal rounding
routines, though I can't even begin to think of why or how.
Again, trying to look at it objectively, and based on what's been
released, it's a really limited bug that will likely be forgotten in a
month or two.
Elliott Roper
McGimpsey <jemcg...@mvps.org> wrote:
<snip>
> SInce A1+1 = 65536, and 65536 is one of the two values that produces the
> display bug, it's hardly surprising that the display of A1+1 is also
> faulty, but A1-1 isn't.
>
> > ..the other pointed out that ROUND(A1) produces 100000 for real.
> > That *is* a calculation error if true.
>
> Uh, no. Since ROUND(A1) produces (at the internal representation level)
> the *same* result as A1 (i.e, 65535 or 65536), it says nothing about a
> calculation error.
Oh Damn! You are perfectly correct. I too misread the article, assuming
open intervals in their "6 floating point numbers between
65534.99999999995 and 65535, and 6 between 65535.99999999995 and 65536
that cause this problem" whereas they meant to include the end points.
What a fine example of the pot calling the kettle black on edge cases!
I shall now crawl back into my hole.
Carl Witthoft
Diane <di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> wrote:
> On 9/26/07 2:17 PM, in article
> carl-D5406E.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com, "Carl Witthoft"
> <ca...@witthoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Hidden in all the hype is a downgrade in the package:
> >
> > The Student/Teacher edition of 2008 will not have Entourage -- i.e. no
> > ability to connect w/ MS Exchange Server. Office04 Student Edition does
> > include Entourage.
>
> It will include Entourage. Just not exchange.
>
Can you explain what that means? Entourage is the email and calendar
client. Is "Entourage2008" slashed down to being just a POP/IMAP tool
or something?
Diane
carl-28EBFE.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com, "Carl Witthoft"
<ca...@witthoft.com> wrote:
>> It will include Entourage. Just not exchange.
>>
>
> Can you explain what that means? Entourage is the email and calendar
> client. Is "Entourage2008" slashed down to being just a POP/IMAP tool
> or something?
Without a formal announcement from Microsoft, my guess would be exchange
functionality will be disabled. Saying it's slashed down implies that it's
severely crippled.
My guess is that since it's a way to offer Home users a reduced price they
left out the exchange functionality, but then what are "home" users.
Right now all we can do is speculate until Microsoft clarifies what is
actually included.
If the lack of exchange functionality really bothers you, I suggest sending
Feedback to Microsoft under Help in the menu bar.
Phillip Jones
It was my recollection of the figures involved that was faulty. It was
reported at cNet, ZDnet, and Computer world.
I'm not one to report rumors. Whether the two updates are independent or
not Oct 9 was cited as next general update cycle.
My apologies if I did anything wrong.
And if EXCEL 2007 has already been adopted by fortune 500 companies. it
would seem to to be a somewhat big deal. as they would in all likelihood
run into using that number somewhere along the line. more so than the
average Joe.
I am just wondering if we will have the same bug in 20008 for Mac.
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Desktop machine in all likelihood I will be unable to load and use 2008
unless I run it from my Firewire external Drive. The Hard Drive internal
still has 10.39 and I've had 7 failed attempts to install OSX.4 despite
buying the Family pack install.
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Diane
"Phillip Jones" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> I know if and when I upgrade I will most likely keep both in fact on my
> Desktop machine in all likelihood I will be unable to load and use 2008
> unless I run it from my Firewire external Drive. The Hard Drive internal
> still has 10.39 and I've had 7 failed attempts to install OSX.4 despite
> buying the Family pack install.
Please explain the 10.4 family pack and where you got this. I wasn't aware
Leopard had been released.
For your current set up, I suggest you do an "Archive & Install".
Make sure to choose the options to maintain your user settings. Once the
install has finished, your system will be at whatever level the disk you
have is. So if your Install DVD/CD disk is 10.3.3, that's what version of OS
will be on your Mac. You will need to download the appropriate Combo Updater
from Apple's site to restore the system to a higher version. After you run
the combo, allow Software Update to download and install any additional
updates.
If you are still having problems after this, then you need to wipe your
drive and install everything again.
JE McGimpsey
Diane <di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> wrote:
> Please explain the 10.4 family pack and where you got this. I wasn't aware
> Leopard had been released.
10.4.x is Tiger...
The 10.4 family pack had, IIRC, 5 licenses in one package at at
significant discount to the same number of individual licenses.
JE McGimpsey
Phillip Jones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> It wasn't a rumor and it was the exact error you cited.
>
> It was my recollection of the figures involved that was faulty. It was
> reported at cNet, ZDnet, and Computer world.
Sorry - it sounded like a report from several of the overhyped sources
around.
> I'm not one to report rumors. Whether the two updates are independent or
> not Oct 9 was cited as next general update cycle.
>
> My apologies if I did anything wrong.
Nothing. Sorry for the implication.
> And if EXCEL 2007 has already been adopted by fortune 500 companies. it
> would seem to to be a somewhat big deal. as they would in all likelihood
> run into using that number somewhere along the line. more so than the
> average Joe.
If it couldn't be corrected quickly, it *would* be a big deal. Given
that it apparently can, it will likely be forgotten soon. Yes it's more
likely to occur in a corporate environment, but it's still only a
display bug - follow-on calculations will be accurate.
> I am just wondering if we will have the same bug in 20008 for Mac.
Undoubtedly not. The fix, if it's necessary (and there's no information
one way or the other as to that), will be available for several months
before release.
Jon Connell
> In addition, Microsoft announced a "technology guarantee program," As of
> September 25, for anyone who purchases Office 2004 for Mac between now and
> March 15 will get an upgrade to the 2008 equivalent for the cost of shipping
> and handling when the final version ships.
Colour me impressed with Microsoft for that. I get pretty hacked off
with Apple's miserly upgrade policy (buy a product more than a
nanosecond before it's replaced and tough doo-doo on you).
As for the Student/Teacher vs. Student/Home feature difference that's
got many outraged, I'm a bit upset about that as I would have used the
Exchange connector and I do qualify as a student. That said, the upgrade
is only $239, so I can live with that (especially at the current USD-GBP
exchange rate). I just need an excuse to be in the US in February now ...
Jon
Phillip Jones
Plus I thought of of something, because the Mac OS is UNIX in nature in
al likelihood the in math system use is totally different than in Windows.
Phillip Jones
versions. one is the single user version which I believe was $99.00.
Then there is the Family Pack. at a cost of $199.00 which allow you to
install on up to 5 separate computers within your home or small Business
without going against the EULA (not called that at Apple but is what it
it amounts to.
Anyway I paid the extra bucks. Just so I could install on my Desktop and
laptop. I tried the desktop first either ending up with a stuck grey
screen or eventually with the circle and red diagonal bar. I tried
opening in single user mode. and safeboot. neither seemed to fix the
problem. So I reverted back. Then I I installed on my Laptop with no
problem. Since the first attempt I tried 6 other times with the same result.
OSX.4 was supposed to be more sensitive to Sysytem RAm used and third
party items installed.
I've replaced my original Video card with an ATI 9000 (DVI card), and I
added over the years 1Gb of system RAm from MacWarehouse. Although
worked fine with OSX.3.9 may not with X.4. I also have a Third party
Airport Express card and also a USB 2.0 USB Card installed so any of
these could cause a Problem.
Diane wrote:
> On 9/27/07 4:50 PM, in article u6HBzEWA...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
> "Phillip Jones" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>
>> I know if and when I upgrade I will most likely keep both in fact on my
>> Desktop machine in all likelihood I will be unable to load and use 2008
>> unless I run it from my Firewire external Drive. The Hard Drive internal
>> still has 10.39 and I've had 7 failed attempts to install OSX.4 despite
>> buying the Family pack install.
>
> Please explain the 10.4 family pack and where you got this. I wasn't aware
> Leopard had been released.
>
> For your current set up, I suggest you do an "Archive & Install".
>
> Make sure to choose the options to maintain your user settings. Once the
> install has finished, your system will be at whatever level the disk you
> have is. So if your Install DVD/CD disk is 10.3.3, that's what version of OS
> will be on your Mac. You will need to download the appropriate Combo Updater
> from Apple's site to restore the system to a higher version. After you run
> the combo, allow Software Update to download and install any additional
> updates.
>
> If you are still having problems after this, then you need to wipe your
> drive and install everything again.
>
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jemcgimpsey-24AB...@msnews.microsoft.com, "JE McGimpsey"
<jemcg...@mvps.org> wrote:
> In article <C321B871.1063B%di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org>,
> Diane <di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> Please explain the 10.4 family pack and where you got this. I wasn't aware
>> Leopard had been released.
>
> 10.4.x is Tiger...
OK, I had a senior moment. (slapping hand to forhead)
Diane
"Phillip Jones" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> I've replaced my original Video card with an ATI 9000 (DVI card), and I
> added over the years 1Gb of system RAm from MacWarehouse. Although
> worked fine with OSX.3.9 may not with X.4. I also have a Third party
> Airport Express card and also a USB 2.0 USB Card installed so any of
> these could cause a Problem.
I agree your hardware is probably the cause of your problems. I'm still
using a G4 and dread having to find the cash to upgrade. I believe I'll be
able to install Leopard on it, but that's probably as far as it will go.
<sigh>
JE McGimpsey
Phillip Jones <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> >> I am just wondering if we will have the same bug in 20008 for Mac.
> >
> > Undoubtedly not. The fix, if it's necessary (and there's no information
> > one way or the other as to that), will be available for several months
> > before release.
>
> Plus I thought of of something, because the Mac OS is UNIX in nature in
> al likelihood the in math system use is totally different than in Windows.
Possibly, except that the cause of the display bug seems to have nothing
to do with the Windows math system - it's totally XL's internal
rendering code.
John McGhie
It's better to think of the Corporate version as "adding" a conduit for
communication with an Exchange Server using the Exchange Server's native
protocol.
Entourage Home and Student in 2008 will have ALL the features, capabilities,
and functions of Entourage Corporate, except that it will need to use one of
the three alternative protocols when talking to a Microsoft Exchange Server.
It WILL correspond with an Exchange Server using IMAP or WEB Mail or POP 3.
Just not the Exchange native protocol.
People who do not have a corporate mail account on an Exchange Server will
never notice. People using email at home to reach an Exchange account
probably will probably prefer the alternative protocols ã the Exchange
protocol generates a hell of a lot of traffic you would probably rather did
not happen on your home internet connection. Unless you have a very
high-speed internet connection, it makes email rather slow.
People who do have their mail on an Exchange Server will probably be given a
licence for the Corporate version by their system administrator, along with
the Client Access Licence they will also need to connect to the server.
So: For corporations, the new split up will make little difference. Home
users will never notice. Small businesses will never notice because they
don't use Exchange Servers.
Some schools and universities will grumble, because they will have to
purchase the professional version of the product, and the client access
licences needed for each copy. But they will be ordering thousands of
copies on a volume licence, so they will get the whole bundle a lot cheaper
than the advertised prices.
Hope this helps
On 28/09/07 6:31 AM, in article
carl-28EBFE.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com, "Carl Witthoft"
<ca...@witthoft.com> wrote:
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Phillip Jones
> On 9/28/07 2:48 PM, in article exSfJlhA...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
> "Phillip Jones" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
>
>> I've replaced my original Video card with an ATI 9000 (DVI card), and I
>> added over the years 1Gb of system RAm from MacWarehouse. Although
>> worked fine with OSX.3.9 may not with X.4. I also have a Third party
>> Airport Express card and also a USB 2.0 USB Card installed so any of
>> these could cause a Problem.
>
> I agree your hardware is probably the cause of your problems. I'm still
> using a G4 and dread having to find the cash to upgrade. I believe I'll be
> able to install Leopard on it, but that's probably as far as it will go.
> <sigh>
>
But then I installed OSX.4 on a FireWire external Hard Drive attached to
the same Machine. the difference being is that it was a "new from
Scratch install. and it is attached to this Machine. The firewire Drive
is a 160 GB WD where as the ata internal drive is a 120GB WD Hard Drive.
So if the New install (never had X.2 or X.3 on it) then and using the
same Machine. Then It should have had the same problems.
Diane
"Phillip Jones" <pjo...@kimbanet.com> wrote:
> But then I installed OSX.4 on a FireWire external Hard Drive attached to
> the same Machine. the difference being is that it was a "new from
> Scratch install. and it is attached to this Machine. The firewire Drive
> is a 160 GB WD where as the ata internal drive is a 120GB WD Hard Drive.
>
> So if the New install (never had X.2 or X.3 on it) then and using the
> same Machine. Then It should have had the same problems.
I would wipe my internal then and install. It's possible you could use
something like SuperDuper! To clone your FW install selecting to erase
first. A lot would depend on what applications you have installed on the FW.
SuperDuper! Is $27.95. I雋 not affiliated with the product. Just a satisfied
user. <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/>
Ian Robinson
(in article <C324613B.9996%jo...@mcghie.name>):
> Some schools and universities will grumble, because they will have to
> purchase the professional version of the product, and the client access
> licences needed for each copy. But they will be ordering thousands of
> copies on a volume licence, so they will get the whole bundle a lot cheaper
> than the advertised prices.
Won't the Exchange CAL they have to buy anyway include the rights and
license to use the Exchange native version of Entourage?
So they could buy the student edition to get Word, Excel and PowerPoint
and use the Exchange CAL to run the Entourage from the Volume license
media when it ships.
Ian
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lat...@gmail.com
Since you seem to be well informed about the 2008 versions, can you
please confirm whether the "Home and Student" edition of the software
will include support for AppleScript scripting, or whether
scriptability is also part of Microsoft's definition of an "automated
workflow" and requires the more expensive version?
This is not entirely clear to me (and possibly to others) based on the
official PR.
Thanks in advance.
Pierre Igot
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William Smith
This one's sticky.
Exchange Server 2007 licensing now only includes the Client Access
License (CAL) but not the client licenses itself. To use Exchange Server
2007 users or institutions will need to purchase the clients separately.
Exchange Server 2004 licensing does include the CAL and the client
license but I doubt this covers Outlook 2007 and Entourage 2008.
Institutions will have to negotiate their own licensing, so speculating
beyond this is only guesswork.
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Entourage Help Page <http://entourage.mvps.org/>
John McGhie
Sorry, mate: you know damned well that I can't go beyond the official
announcement.
Send me an email with your real address and I will get someone from the
Marketing team to answer you officially.
Cheers
On 2/10/07 6:30 AM, in article
1191272409.4...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "lat...@gmail.com"
<lat...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Edition?
On 9/25/07 6:29 PM, in article
C31EE7F2.1025D%di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org, "Diane"
<di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> wrote:
> Microsoft has released prices and packages for Office 2008 for Mac scheduled
> for release in January 2008.
>
> In addition, Microsoft announced a "technology guarantee program," As of
> September 25, for anyone who purchases Office 2004 for Mac between now and
> March 15 will get an upgrade to the 2008 equivalent for the cost of shipping
> and handling when the final version ships.
>
> <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2007/09/prices_for_office_for_mac_2008_annou
> nced.html>
John McGhie
Sorry, but there is absolutely no point in asking questions like that in
here :-)
The answer will ALWAYS be "Those who know are not allowed to tell us, and
those who tell us, don't know."
Check the Microsoft/mac website. That's the canonical source of truth on
these things: The will update what appears there several times between now
and the on-sale day.
Cheers
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Persell" <mper...@mac.com> wrote:
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markn...@suscom-maine.net
JE McGimpsey
markn...@suscom-maine.net wrote:
> Does this deal include Office Professional?
According to the Technology Guarantee redemption form, the qualifying
products include only the English and French Language editions of
Office 2004 for Mac Standard Edition
Office 2004 for Mac Standard Edition Upgrade
Office 2004 for Mac Student and Teacher Edition
Likewise, the online redemption options are limited to those editions.
Diane
1192499337.4...@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
"markn...@suscom-maine.net" <markn...@suscom-maine.net> wrote:
Does this deal include Office Professional?
Professional included VPC. That is no longer required with the new Intel
Macs. The closest package sounds like it would be Microsoft Office for Mac
2008 Special Media Edition - $499.95
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Entourage Help Page <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/>
JE McGimpsey
Diane <di...@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> wrote:
> Does this deal include Office Professional?
>
> Professional included VPC. That is no longer required with the new Intel
> Macs. The closest package sounds like it would be Microsoft Office for Mac
> 2008 Special Media Edition - $499.95
I interpreted the OP as asking whether buying Office 2004 Pro now would
qualify for Office 2008, which it appears it does not.
There are still a lot of non-intel Macs out there that can still use (if
only barely) VPC...
CyberTaz
more (if anything) about future releases than anyone else... And what little
we *might* have insights [i.e., speculative expectations] on cannot be
divulged. MS is the source you need to contact directly for clarification on
anything that hasn't yet/has been released - this forum is more attuned to
"after-the-fact" discussions:-) Try the info & links supplied here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/macmojo/
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 10/1/07 5:00 PM, in article
1191272409.4...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "lat...@gmail.com"
CCM
Will Entourage 2008 "Special Edition" work properly with Exchange 2007?
"Phillip Jones" wrote:
> I don't know whether we need to rush out and get 2008.
>
> Computerworld just sent and update where Excel's Math in the 2007
> version is defective. any figures that add, subtract, multiple, or
> divide a certain number 65, plus some don't show the proper number but
> 100,000. any numbers over that number or under work fine. there were
> several thousand messages to Excel Support that caught the problem. Will
> be a week or more before the next update and MS is unsure whether a fix
> will be ready in time.
>
> Daiya Mitchell wrote:
> > The Tech Guarantee makes this a very good deal. Office 2004 is generally
> > considered an improvement over Office X (at least in Word, it has new
> > features while X is basically a port of 2001), and Office 2004 will
> > continue to have VBA while Office 2008 won't, so purchasing Office 2004
> > will let you have the best of both worlds for just S&H (probably an
> > overpriced $15 or so, but still worth it, I should think).
> >
> > Diane wrote:
> >> Microsoft has released prices and packages for Office 2008 for Mac
> >> scheduled
> >> for release in January 2008.
> >>
> >> In addition, Microsoft announced a "technology guarantee program," As of
> >> September 25, for anyone who purchases Office 2004 for Mac between now
> >> and
> >> March 15 will get an upgrade to the 2008 equivalent for the cost of
> >> shipping
> >> and handling when the final version ships.
> >>
> >> <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2007/09/prices_for_office_for_mac_2008_annou
> >>
> >> nced.html>
> >>
> >>
>
> --
JE McGimpsey
CCM <C...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Will Entourage 2008 "Special Edition" work properly with Exchange 2007?
The Special Media Edition will contain Exchange support:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/go/promotions/default.aspx?pid=versions
For some of the features that have been released, and to help you decide
if meets the criteria for whatever you mean by "properly", see (and
watch over the next few weeks):
John McGhie
Did you check who the original poster was? :-)
He's just trolling :-)
Cheers
On 17/10/07 8:51 PM, in article C33B6157.2BE21%onlygen...@com.cast.net,
"CyberTaz" <onlygen...@com.cast.net> wrote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/macmojo/
John,
Thanks in advance.
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Daiya Mitchell
too. :)
CyberTaz
Even Trolls deserve to be told their wasting their time... Once, anyway:-)
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 10/21/07 6:59 AM, in article C341673A.A8A8%jo...@mcghie.name, "John
John McGhie
As I did :-) On Oct 3rd :-)
Cheers
On 21/10/07 11:32 PM, in article
C340D450.2C0C8%onlygen...@com.cast.net, "CyberTaz"
<onlygen...@com.cast.net> wrote:
Hi John -
JPenSuisse
But what I would really like to know is, does Office 2008 include a
"Applescript recorder" so that I can more easily learn applescript?
Or, is there a previous version of Office (like X) that has a recorder
that I can learn from?
This would really help get me up to speed.
Can anyone answer?
Cheers!
William Smith
No information about AppleScript recording in Office has been released
(if it exists). However, the announcement regarding Office 2008 Standard
and Special Media Edition does include mention of Automator Actions.
While this may not teach you how to script Office, Automator should make
it easier for novice scripters to accomplish more with less AppleScript
expertise.
Hope this helps!
--
bill
William M. Smith, Microsoft Interop MVP - Mac/Windows
Entourage Help Page <http://entourage.mvps.org/>
Diane
1193697976....@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "JPenSuisse"
<jpens...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>This would really help get me up to speed.
The best way to learn AppleScript is through an AppleScript list. Entourage
support for AppleScript is very good, but to learn scripting you need to
start with the basics.
There are tons of free scripts to use with Entourage. See
Scriptbuilders <http://scriptbuilders.net/>
Favorite Scripts to use with Entourage
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/script/fav_scripts.html>
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Diane, Microsoft Mac MVP (MVPs are not Microsoft Employees)
Entourage Help Page <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/>
John McGhie
told us. Those who tell us, by definition, don't know.
Just the way it is in software development.
If you want the question answered, remove the reference to "Office 2008".
Ask "How should I learn AppleScript?".
Then you might assume that some of the people who answer, actually know the
answer to your first question, but are not allowed to tell you.
You will then get the correct information without anyone going to jail :-)
Cheers
On 30/10/07 8:16 AM, in article
1193697976....@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "JPenSuisse"
<jpens...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Can anyone answer?
Cheers!
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CyberTaz
"Recording scripts
Some applications (for example, QuickTime Player) let you record actions
using Script Editor. Recording is an easy way to create a simple script or
start a more complex script. To determine if an application is recordable,
try recording an action.
Script Editor only records actions that change a document, setting, or other
aspect of the application. It does not record actions such as clicking in a
window or moving the pointer.
To record a script:
Open Script Editor.
Click Record.
Perform the actions you want to record.
To stop recording, click Stop in Script Editor.
Not all scriptable applications can record. If you can't record actions for
an application, the application isn't recordable."
We won't know for sure about record-ability in *any* software before it
ships will we?
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 10/29/07 6:46 PM, in article
1193697976....@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "JPenSuisse"
JE McGimpsey
CyberTaz <onlygen...@com.cast.net> wrote:
> We won't know for sure about record-ability in *any* software before it
> ships will we?
Well, to be fair, *some* software manufacturers actually announce *prior
to release* that their software will be applescript-recordable...
Daiya Mitchell
I don't think Office has ever had an applescript recorder. Re getting up
to speed, find out how you can get a copy of this:
http://www.mactech.com/news/?p=1009354
I've been told that playing around with a recorder is not a very good
way to learn AppleScript, anyhow.
Daiya
Jolly Roger
Daiya Mitchell <daiya...@mvps.org.INVALID> wrote:
> JPenSuisse wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > But what I would really like to know is, does Office 2008 include a
> > "Applescript recorder" so that I can more easily learn applescript?
> >
> > Or, is there a previous version of Office (like X) that has a recorder
> > that I can learn from?
> >
> > This would really help get me up to speed.
> >
> > Can anyone answer?
>
> I don't think Office has ever had an applescript recorder. Re getting up
> to speed, find out how you can get a copy of this:
> http://www.mactech.com/news/?p=1009354
>
> I've been told that playing around with a recorder is not a very good
> way to learn AppleScript, anyhow.
That's correct - it's not the best way to learn.
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CyberTaz
"... before it's announced...".
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 10/31/07 8:33 AM, in article
jemcgimpsey-119E...@msnews.microsoft.com, "JE McGimpsey"