The Squeaky Wheel Gets the Grease
MangyDog
Don Karnage
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The Feared Pirate, Don Karnage
http://www.involved.com/crinck/karnage
MangyDog <mang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1QBK2.817$tQ5....@news7.ispnews.com...
MangyDog
Don Karnage wrote in message ...
JP22_Mskt
SlowHand
DonnyMB wrote:
>Squeak!
z
AVG_Girvin_SFAC
not one that was mass produced.......
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MangyDog
Read up about that special version of the Yak-3 that I was "taling" about.
It must be awkward for you to sit at your computer and type with that foot
of yours permanently lodged in your mouth.
AVG_Girvin_SFAC wrote in message ...
Don Barnard
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:57:43 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Don Barnard
Those cats fall for that squeak thing every time... :)
Don
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:30:34 -0700, "SlowHand" <Slow@avl-wnc-dot-com>
wrote:
Don Barnard
have, and 351 at sea level.
FA yak3's, even with recent improvements, go about 374 at 14.5k, and
335 at 100ft.
Don
_56_Doglips_3
the best planes in fa.No complaints here..._56_Doglips_3........On
>I am PISSED OFF that too few are posting anything about the poor modeling of the Yak-3 (Its 30+ mph too slow and rolls WAY too slow) If we Yak drivers DON'T raise a cry, like the GBers do, they WON'T change the Yak to what is should be. "The Squeaky wheel gets the Grease." The GB have squeaked long enough, it is time for the Yak drivers start SQUEAKING!
cascabel
cascabel
AVG_Girvin_SFAC
admirable..........I salute you mangydog
Czern_72nd
MangyDog <mang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9MCK2.395$hr5....@news6.ispnews.com...
MangyDog
Yak-3, but the Yak-1 from which the Yak-3 was derived. They got the
Graphic wrong. They also got the performance wrong. We are not flying a
Yak-3, as advertised, but the Yak-1.
cascabel <pu...@carlsbadnm.com> wrote in article
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MangyDog
JP22_Mskt <jpi...@impulse.net> wrote in article
As a Yak driver I would also like to see it upgraded. The SU planes seem to have gotten the short end of the stick on the last upgrade.
However, I would also like to point out one real life fact. Squeaky wheels don't always get the grease.... Sometimes they get replaced.....
JP...we will NEVER be replaced! Such talk is Divisive, Dangerous and Counter-Revolutionary! We must Squeak with ONE VOICE! The must NEVER be disension in the ranks...EVER! Squeak Loud and Squeak Proud and we WILL get our properly modeled Yak-3!
MangyDog
will rise up and slay the Cat. I can't believe a Moustang driver would
dare "Meow" anyway.
Don Barnard <barn...@home.com> wrote in article
<37022112...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
> Grrrr!! Grrrr!! Grr!!! <shake> Grrr! <shred> Grrr! <chew> Burp...
>
> Those cats fall for that squeak thing every time... :)
>
> Don
>
COD_PRO_SHOT
upside down sometimes it lands sometimes it bounces off the doghouse but
usually ends up in the water dish!Thanks to FA for killing the Predator Of The
SKY and replacing it w/ Woodstock
COD OUT!!!!!!!!
COD_PRO_SHOT
cod out!!!!!!!!!
MangyDog
HEY! Only people allowed to Squeak in this thread are Yak Drivers! We don't care about no stinkin 109s here, except those what need to die!
COD_PRO_SHOT <g...@life.now> wrote in article
VMF214_Tex
not the SU...
If it were me modeling the Yak for VR-1, I'd have slowed it back down,
added a much bigger wing with flat bottom airfoil and blunt leading
edge with about 10-20deg diheadral and cut the size of the elevator in
half. I would have added some armor, about 1000# of lead in the tail
(so what if it's a tad tail heavy). I'd change the steal cable control
system to a bungy cord system. I think I would be much happier with
this setup! There, the squeaky wheel got some grease.
Jusssst Kidddddiiinnnggggg... ;)
I don't like the recent plane changes because as I get more familiar
with them I'm starting to think more and more how the latest tweak
wasn't to make them more historically accurate but to make all the
planes more even. BAD MOVE.
The 51 doesn't rule up high anymore, now Spits can get just as high
and a SPit14 can loop at 45k??? gimme a break New compression in
the 51 and especially the 38 makes them very difficult to fight up
there anymore.
I appreciate that the changes were made but not in making them all
vanilla. If the changes were made to more accurately portray the
actual plane and speaking only for myself, I could accept the
consequences of that far more than the vanillifying of all the planes.
I sure hope Shpanky & Co rethink this but I'll still say thanks for
making the effort to make us all a happier bunch of whiners. :)
VMF214_Tex
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:57:43 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
Prof_Gumby
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VMF214_Tex <ste...@brinet.com/REMOVE-THIS> wrote in message news:A66BCFE978E04A00.8FADB753...@library-proxy.airnews.net...
MangyDog
If they shortchanged anything, they shortchanged the P-38L. It accelerated faster than any US aircraft. It had a rate of climb of 3800fpm compared to the P-51Ds climb rater of 3300fpm. It dove faster, climbed faster, rolled faster, turned faster than the P-51D. It had better gunz and a much better survivablility than the P-51D. The the P-51 was only faster than the P-38L between 22k and 27k. The 51 had longer range and gave the Pilot better visibility. The only reason the 51 was produced in such large quantities, was NOT because it was a better Combat Aircraft, but, because it was CHEAPER and had LONGER RANGE. It was a War of attrition. Throw enough cheap 51's at the Luftwaffe and you will eventually wear it down. The 51 was not all that good of an aircraft, especially when compared to other aircraft in the USAAF inventory. Don't try and make the Mustang anything more than it was. And, hopefully, VR-1 WILL make the P-38L the airplane that it SHOULD be, cause it aint there yet.
VMF214_Tex <ste...@brinet.com/REMOVE-THIS> wrote in article <A66BCFE978E04A00.8FADB753...@library-proxy.airnews.net>...
MangyDog
Gumby....this is a Make Some Noise thread to get the much needed improvements to the Yak-3. If the Programmers do read these things, maybe they will see and hear enough of us Yak Drivers to actually do something about it. And, maybe, when 2.0 comes out, we will have a Yak-3 that is up to specs and properly modeled and not a Yak-1 that they claim to be a Yak-3. So, Gumby, let me hear you Squeak one time for the Yak, baby!
Prof_Gumby <mcar...@generation.net> wrote in article <OzI#EP7d#GA.259@cppssbbsa03>...
In the original post by the @fa folks, it was clearly mentioned that this was "changes to level the playing field" so I am wondering why everyone is so surprised.... 2.0 will have more changes again, Although it would be neat to have "historically"accurate planes, I wonder how FA would survive, since it would take no time for a majority flying the "best" fighter (insert your opinion here). A few of us die hards would continue with our paper yaks, but, lets face it most would jump and then you would have basically a one sided fight in the Nations at war arena. So if possible, it would be nice to have a Realistic FFA room with Historical planes, but in the rest I will settle for the FA definitions and a somewhat level playing field, makes the game more fun, for newcomers and old timers, in NAW at least. For the 2.0 ver., I just want a cooler to put my vodka bottle in my YAK. That is all, a simple wish. As well as a self stabilizing cup holder so my drink wont spill in my turn fights :)
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VMF214_Tex <ste...@brinet.com/REMOVE-THIS <mailto:ste...@brinet.com/REMOVE-THIS>> wrote in message news:A66BCFE978E04A00.8FADB753...@library-proxy.airnews.net <news:A66BCFE978E04A00.8FADB753...@library-proxy.airnews.net>...Ohh you Yakkies are all alike! It was the US that was shortchanged,
not the SU...
If it were me modeling the Yak for VR-1, I'd have slowed it back down,
added a much bigger wing with flat bottom airfoil and blunt leading
edge with about 10-20deg diheadral and cut the size of the elevator in
half. I would have added some armor, about 1000# of lead in the tail
(so what if it's a tad tail heavy). I'd change the steal cable control
system to a bungy cord system. I think I would be much happier with
this setup! There, the squeaky wheel got some grease.
Jusssst Kidddddiiinnnggggg... ;)
I don't like the recent plane changes because as I get more familiar
with them I'm starting to think more and more how the latest tweak
wasn't to make them more historically accurate but to make all the
planes more even. BAD MOVE.
The 51 doesn't rule up high anymore, now Spits can get just as high
and a SPit14 can loop at 45k??? gimme a break New compression in
the 51 and especially the 38 makes them very difficult to fight up
there anymore.
I appreciate that the changes were made but not in making them all
vanilla. If the changes were made to more accurately portray the
actual plane and speaking only for myself, I could accept the
consequences of that far more than the vanillifying of all the planes.
I sure hope Shpanky & Co rethink this but I'll still say thanks for
making the effort to make us all a happier bunch of whiners. :)
VMF214_Tex
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:57:43 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com <mailto:mang...@hotmail.com>>
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MangyDog <mang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:01be77b8$e9abf0c0$278527d8@rci-sea...
SauveDoug
vanilla. Just give us historically accurate planes in certain rooms and turn us
loose. Keep the current planes for those who feel the game was unfair.
If a great plane was not massed produced. Or only flew at the very end of the
war, keep this plane confined to certain rooms.....
VTAS_Dragon
SlowHand
arenas as well.
FA is a simulation game. As such, shorting "reality" for the sake of
"playability" has IMO produced a very fine *game*, both in Realistic
and the Arcade arenas. Flight modeling and damage modeling have been
dumbed down, somewhat so in Realistic, considerably so in arcade,
but I prefer the "playability" gains that come with these
modifications to "historical" accuracy. If you want more realism, go
check out Warbirds.
You Yakkers: OK, we'll give you 15-20 extra knots in v 2.0 (I trust
Donny's research most). But if so, then turn Blackouts/redouts on
(which most Arcaders fervently hate). Otherwise, be content to
befuddle us your awesome turning and nasty little 2200 ft cannon.
I'm still amazed at how a good pair or three of Yak3s in arcade can
tie up 5 or 6 or more US, often defeating superior numbers, or at
least downing more US (usually it's 3-2 or 2-1 kill ratios or
better).
These changes IMO have *primarily* affected the P-38L, the P-51D and
the 109K. The longer reach of the P-51Ds 6 MGs makes it considerably
more effective --- upgrading the hi-alt speeds of Spits and GE
planes has "evened out" the playing field at hi-alt vs US planes,
though not to many GE seem to be testing their new hi-alt gains out.
Lessening the range of the 109Ks 30mm hurts their deck furballing
and their H2H superiority (though I still sure as hell still duck
when I see *ANY* GE plane coming at me H2H), but it still is a
fantastic climber. The "masses" of GE pilots may need to learn from
their aces the "zoom" part of "Boom and Zoom" --- if they do, I will
again begin weeping for the hapless US guys coming out from base D
on the deck.
SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
Prof_Gumby wrote in message ...
<snip>
Confidential
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Regards,
65th Allied Squadron "Screamin Demons"
SlowHand <Slow@avl-wnc-dot-com> wrote in message news:#FX05c8d#GA.262@cppssbbsa03...
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and their H2H superiority/>>, but it still is a
fantastic climber. >>
Thanks for laying it all out Slow. I think you nailed it with this post. I'd
been trying to keep quiet 'cause i don't want to tee off the GE devotees
(but their herd looks like its dwindling) All i gotta say is,
..drink more German beer VMF! (or give us a 3-week tour in the pink)>;^)
,..though i guess it would be more like a home-coming for most of you,
seeing anyone use the "Best" properties of any German craft and fly them
like they were meant to be flown is a wonder(aka scary sight) to behold..
(plus if ya'splode me, it saves me tha' trip of havin' ta' fall so far..)
instead of <pick> <pick> <run> "where's that other one?". (6) <spraaaaay>
it could be <ping> <ping>"ouch!" (smoking) "rut roh"..<BOOM>
>:oP
MangyDog
I'll take the Redouts and Blackouts...I live in that dim region between being able to see clearly and total blindness in realistic. When trying to compare for Donny's Research with to mine, remember that we are in the same squadron and share the data. Like the fact that the Yak had a top speed of 407mph at 10.2k I'll take the 44mph at 10k thank you, not a meer. The Yak was a low alt aircraft. That is were it is supposed to excell. I don't want or expect it to be able to do well in the realm of the Spit14 and P-51. But, when you have a nose-bleed aircraft that can perform as well as the Spit14 does down in the dirt, or have a Spit9 that is modeled too fast for the low alts, well that takes the idea of playability and game balance and kicks it to the curb. Why else would HALF the teams in the Top Squad League pick GB as their First Choice for Nationality to fly? As for the 2200ft Cannons...take a look at the our new Cannon. It doesn't fire to 2200ft now, it maybe goes to 1800ft if that, its the mgs that shoot out to 2000ft+. One ding on your Fuselage at 2000+ft is NOT gonna slow you down like the one Cannon hit used to....you still will be able to run away.
SlowHand <Slow@avl-wnc-dot-com> wrote in article
SlowHand
;-)
SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
SlowHand
No, I didn't say that, I've heard others say that. I've tried a
loopback turn (don't know my ACM terminology) in the Spit14, Me109K,
and P-51D at a bunch of high alts. 45K was tough but doable once by
me in the Spit (it wasn't pretty), I think you have to dive into it.
At 43K all 3 planes could do it with varying degrees of grace (in my
hands, grace is a relative term).
SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
Confidential wrote:
Hey Slowhand: <snip>
SlowHand
374 at 14.5 and 335 at the deck.
I'll give you 16-24 knots, and not an iota more ;-) .
Seriously, though (and I'm not an aviation buff, just ask Biff), did
the Yak you are talking about go deck=351 (Donny), 407 at 10.2K
(MangyDog), and then *lose* speed at 14.5K=398?
I know sources are notoriously contradictory, but virtually every
planes' speed profile in FA increases steadily (almost linearily)
without any drops up to at least 15K. It doesn't seem to me that
your 407 number tallies with the numbers Donny cited.
Seeking Yak Enlightenment,
SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
MangyDog wrote:
<snip>
>When trying to compare for Donny's Research with to mine,
>emember that we are in the same squadron and share the
>dta. Like the fact that the Yak had a top speed of
Wulff_Mskt
MangyDog wrote in message <01be77ce$0bb78f20$018527d8@rci-sea>...--snip--
Why else would HALF the teams in the Top Squad League pick GB as their First Choice for Nationality to fly?
--more stuff removed--
MangyDog
Yes, the Yak-3's speed DID drop from 407 at 10200ft to approx 400mph by 15k and then to 391 by 20k and then alot more so beyond 20k. The Yak-3 was a low alt fighter, as were alot of SU planes, they were really big on Air Support. My source of Aircraft speed info was Gustin's Military Aircraft Database www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/ Gustin lists his sources for his Data for the little Java Apps that he has there. Gustin's is not the only place I saw where 407 at 10k was the Yak's top speed. Yakovlev Fighters of the Great Patriotic War at www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/9485/Yakovlev.htm is another source of info.
And yes, you WILL give us 44mph at 10k ;-}
SlowHand <Slow@avl-wnc-dot-com> wrote in article
SlowHand
My thinking was to avoid having teams randomly dumped into a country
*for the whole match*, which is how the rules were originally
written (where both teams had the exact same country preferences).
Frankly, I think they should just set the arenas up so that both
teams could only fly SU planes ;-)
SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
Wulff_Mskt wrote:
Sooooo.... we'd all really like to thank SlowHand for suggesting
SlowHand
As far as FA goes, OK, you can have your speed, but your map won't
work anymore (Stalin didn't like people having maps), only half your
team will have text chat and RW enabled (I recall reading that
radios were scarce in the SU forces), and the Commissar will shoot
you (you have to take a 10-minute time-out) if you don't down an NME
each time you go out .... or we can leave things as they are,
compromised reality that it is ;-)
SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
MangyDog wrote:
<snip>
Prof_Gumby
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SlowHand <Slow@avl-wnc-dot-com> wrote in message news:eQNXX49d#GA.263@cppssbbsa03...
MangyDog
for the Radio, considering that 15 million Russians were fighting the 10
million Germans, this plane came out in 1943/1944 and the Russians were
winning by this time and the Yak-3 was and Aircraft and not a Tank. I don't
think putting a radio in 5000 Yak-3s was much of a problem. And,
considering that I AM the Commissar, I WILL have a Map, I WILL have a Radio,
and since I am the one doing the shooting, I WON'T be shooting myself....I
leave that to GE officers in a disintegrating Reich.
SlowHand wrote in message ...
MangyDog
>Frankly, I think they should just set the arenas up so that both
>teams could only fly SU planes ;-)
>
>SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
Make em all Yak-3s that go 407 at 10.2k, have phenominal roll rates and can
climb at 4400fpm.
Don Barnard
wrote:
>You Yakkers: OK, we'll give you 15-20 extra knots in v 2.0 (I trust
>Donny's research most).
Most of my information is coming from one recently published book on
SU WWII aircraft. From reading it, I get the impression that their
wasn't always very accurate information about them, which could
explain some of the differences we see on the net.
Mangy mentions a yak3m. My book doesn't have one listed, however there
was a prototype they called a yak1m. The yak1 was tweaked into what
became the yak1m. It was so good that they decided to put it into
production in the fall of 1943 under the designation yak3. It's my
guess that Mangy's yak3m is the yak1m prototype.
In my book, the prototype yak1m had a top speed of 404mph at 14k. As
seems to be typical, the production versions weren't quite as fast,
and that's why my book reports the yak3's top speed as 397.
>But if so, then turn Blackouts/redouts on
>(which most Arcaders fervently hate). Otherwise, be content to
>befuddle us your awesome turning and nasty little 2200 ft cannon.
>I'm still amazed at how a good pair or three of Yak3s in arcade can
>tie up 5 or 6 or more US, often defeating superior numbers, or at
>least downing more US (usually it's 3-2 or 2-1 kill ratios or
>better).
Quotes from my book:
"A large dogfight occurred on the 16th of June 1944. Both sides built
up their forces, with the result that 18 yak3's oppoosed 24 German
fighters, and 15 Luftwaffe aircraft were shot down for the cost of one
Soviet fighter destroyed and one damaged. Next day, Luftwaffe activity
over that section of the front had virtually ceased."
"Luftwaffe fighters in combat with the yak3 tried to exploit surprise.
This happened on 17th September 1944, when FW190s attacked a formation
of three yak3s of the 66th Fighter Air Regiment over the Riga district
of the front by coming out of the sun, shooting down two of the Soviet
aircraft. On 23rd of September the regiment gained its revenge when a
yak3 formation led by Major I Vitkovsky shot down seven fw190s in a
single dogfight."
"The Normandie-Niemen converted rapidly to the yak3, and shot down 29
Luftwaffe aircraft without any losses to themselves on 16th October
1944."
Don
Don Barnard
and SU for the first two rounds. :)
I wish the opposing teams were given the option of trying to work out
the country conflicts first before resorting to the rules. Then I
could hope the other teams would choose any other team they want to
fight us with and leave us to our yaks. :)
Don
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:12:25 -0700, "Wulff_Mskt" <rkir...@micron.net>
wrote:
Don Barnard
rounding up to 398 (book says 397.6).
It's not clear if the speeds quoted are absolute top speeds, or just
the speeds recorded in some historical document about some testing
that was done at one time.
The differences aren't all that great. It seems possible that small
differences in weather conditions at the time of testing could explain
them.
Don
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:52:26 -0700, "SlowHand" <Slow@avl-wnc-dot-com>
wrote:
>Donny said 398 at 14.5K (citing a book) and 351 at the deck vs FA's
>374 at 14.5 and 335 at the deck.
>
>I'll give you 16-24 knots, and not an iota more ;-) .
>
>Seriously, though (and I'm not an aviation buff, just ask Biff), did
>the Yak you are talking about go deck=351 (Donny), 407 at 10.2K
>(MangyDog), and then *lose* speed at 14.5K=398?
>
>I know sources are notoriously contradictory, but virtually every
>planes' speed profile in FA increases steadily (almost linearily)
>without any drops up to at least 15K. It doesn't seem to me that
>your 407 number tallies with the numbers Donny cited.
>
>Seeking Yak Enlightenment,
>SlowHand (VMF214__xSlow)
>
>MangyDog wrote:
><snip>
Don Barnard
They don't have the same engines they had in the war.
Don
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:21:34 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>"First flown in 1943, trials showed a speed of 410 mph at 9,840 ft and 422 mph at 12,140 ft." This quote was taken from the New Zealand Fighter Pilots Museum http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/welcome/welcome.htm This Museum has a working Yak-3M. The 'M' is the Designation that the Museum has given their working version of the Yak-3.
>
>This is a Picture of their Yak-3M in flight. Also, please note that the 422mph at is some 15mph faster than the 407mph top speed I have been quoting. The TRIALS showed top speed of 422 while the production run had a top speed of 407mph.
>
>Other Links to Yak-3 information sites:
>http://users.aol.com/squadpage/ThinkTank/AIRCRAFT.html
>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5853/mor-yak3.htm
>http://users.hellasnet.gr/timoleon/wwii.htm
>http://members.aol.com/squadpage/Warbirds/YAK-3.html
>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2072/SovRatings.html
>
>and, a Link I find MOST interesting:
>http://www.inxpress.co.uk/devilz/yak-3.htm
>This is information on the Yak-3 from Air Attack, the UK version of Fighter Ace. Their Yak-3 has a Top Speed of 395mph...wonder why ours does not?
>
>
>
>Don Barnard wrote in message <36fc23d9....@msnews.microsoft.com>...
Whisky19_Mskt
I read somewhere that the ones flying today were built recently with Allison
engines.
Whisky19_Mskt
Don Barnard wrote in message <36fcad8a...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
Don Barnard
yak3UA's. :)
Don
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:43:25 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>You are correct...the Newly built Yak-3Ms have the Allison V-1710-39 1,295 hp 12 cylinder inline.
>
>
>Whisky19_Mskt wrote in message ...
MangyDog
construction and based on the Yak-3U. Why the New Zealanders call it a
Yak-3M....I dunno, but that's what them Kiwis call it.
Don Barnard wrote in message <36fd28c0...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
Don Barnard
engine (engine from la7). It weighed about 1000lbs less than the la7.
It's max speed was 438mph at 20k.
How about a yak3pd high altitude interceptor? It went 441mph at 36k.
:)
Don
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:28:46 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
MangyDog
Donny.
Don Barnard wrote in message <36fd5baa...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
FH64_MsSpitfire
>As a Yak driver I would also like to see it upgraded. The SU planes seem
to have >gotten the short end of the stick on the last upgrade.
Hmmm .. judging by the numbers of planes in the various rooms I'd say SU
and US were given the long end of the stick .. otherwise why the big jump in
numbers of people flying for those two countries? Somehow I don't think
folks would fly clearly inferior planes in the numbers that we currently see
flying for US/SU : )
FH64_MsSpitfire
> If it were me modeling the Yak for VR-1, I'd have slowed it back down,
> added a much bigger wing with flat bottom airfoil and blunt leading
> edge with about 10-20deg diheadral and cut the size of the elevator in
> half
Hmmm .. sounds like the Hurricane : )
FH64_MsSpitfire
> No, I didn't say that, I've heard others say that. I've tried a
> loopback turn (don't know my ACM terminology) in the Spit14, Me109K,
> and P-51D at a bunch of high alts. 45K was tough but doable once by
> me in the Spit (it wasn't pretty), I think you have to dive into it.
> At 43K all 3 planes could do it with varying degrees of grace (in my
> hands, grace is a relative term).
The 38 will loop at 45k .. takes forever and you are doing about 95 at the
top .. but can be done : )
FH64_MsSpitfire
> In my book, the yak3u was a prototype where they used an ASh-82fn
> engine (engine from la7). It weighed about 1000lbs less than the la7.
> It's max speed was 438mph at 20k.
My question .. which I've never seen answered .. is are the speeds we see
on the screen in knots (as they should be) or mph? If knots .. then Yak
speed is approximately correct .. my sources say max speed for Yak 655 km/h
which is 410 mph or 356 knots .. can someone from VR-1 confirm what units
are used in the display in the cockpit??
MangyDog
FH64_MsSpitfire wrote in message ...
MangyDog
Don Barnard wrote in message <36fd6c23...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
>From introduction by Bill Gunston:
>
>"Stalin's domain was a fairly closed society. The rest of the world
>had little idea of what went on in the Soviet Union, and even after
>Operation Barbarossa - the invasion by Nazi Germany on 22nd June 1941
>which launched what the Soviet Union called The Great Patriotic War -
>for several months nearly all the information on Soviet aircraft was
>gleaned from propaganda material put out by the German enemy. Checking
>through a 1941 volume of The Aeroplane Spotter I found only one
>photograph of a modern Soviet aircraft that had not been captured by
>the enemy. It showed a MiG-3. Never having heard of such an aircraft,
>the caption-writer said it was an I-18... armed with eight machine
>guns.
> Today we can put such nonsense behind us. In compiling this book
>Yefim Gordon and Dmitri Khazanov have had the benefit not only of long
>experience studying Soviet aircraft but also of accesss to the
>archives of the various design bureaux. Even after the collapse of the
>rigid Soviet system in 1990 quite a few errors persisted where Soviet
>aircraft were concerned."
>
>Don
>
>
>On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:26:41 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Sounds like your Book is just as confused on the Facts as everyone else
is,
>>Donny.
>>
>>
>>Don Barnard wrote in message <36fd5baa...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
>>>In my book, the yak3u was a prototype where they used an ASh-82fn
>>>engine (engine from la7). It weighed about 1000lbs less than the la7.
>>>It's max speed was 438mph at 20k.
>>>
FH64_MsSpitfire
> I believe its called Masochism, MsSpit.
Must be a new disease then .. because it wasn't evident before the changes
: )
FH64_MsSpitfire
> Well if it's knots, then we're too fast. :)
Hacker!!
Don Barnard
Don Barnard
Don
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:11:05 -0500, "FH64_MsSpitfire"
<MissSp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Don Barnard wrote in message
>
>> In my book, the yak3u was a prototype where they used an ASh-82fn
>> engine (engine from la7). It weighed about 1000lbs less than the la7.
>> It's max speed was 438mph at 20k.
>
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65th Allied Squadron "Screamin Demons"
FH64_MsSpitfire <MissSp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uMsfn2Le#GA.261@cppssbbsa03...
Don Barnard wrote in message
> Well if it's knots, then we're too fast. :)
Hacker!!
gthiel
109k4 with ur pop gun Come here heheheheehe
AOD UncleBuck
Don Barnard wrote:
> Squeak!
>
> On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:57:43 -0800, "MangyDog" <mang...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
MangyDog
Yeh baby! That's Squeakadelic!
gthiel <gth...@alarismed.com> wrote in article <36FFB9D9...@alarismed.com>...
MangyDog
Yes it was evident, its just might be hard to for you to see when you are up there by yourself at 30k.
FH64_MsSpitfire <MissSp...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
Thunder_B00M
MangyDog <mang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:01be77aa$e453dec0$2a8527d8@rci-sea...HEY! Only people allowed to Squeak in this thread are Yak Drivers! We don't care about no stinkin 109s here, except those what need to die!
COD_PRO_SHOT <g...@life.now> wrote in article
> I liken my 109 to Woodstock (Snoopy's bird buddy) It flutters around and goes
> upside down sometimes it lands sometimes it bounces off the doghouse but
> usually ends up in the water dish!Thanks to FA for killing the Predator Of The
> SKY and replacing it w/ Woodstock
>
>
> COD OUT!!!!!!!!
Thunder_B00M
MangyDog <mang...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:01be7a12$20a16280$6b8527d8@rci-sea...
Pollux
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Pollux <JG300_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:O3LFO7Ek#GA....@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com...
Biff Henderson
>
> ... to shoot down the buffs. With the hurricane 2c I could get hits
> out to 2200 (possibly a teeny bit farther) when using enough loft,
> etc...but with the 190A I was unable to get any hits over about
> 1900-1950 (I matched speeds and tried for quite awhile...got shot down
> twice in the process of hanging around in their gun arcs). Does this
> sound right?
Sounds right to me. The Hispano 20mm cannon fired a slightly larger (longer
and heavier) projectile, with greater muzzle velocity than the MG-151.
--
AM Biff Henderson, VC, DFC, CGM
Technical Officer
RAF Squadron No. 54