Sysop and the booting of people for language infractions.
MoB_Clyde
language infractions by sysops. What concerns me is the response to these
posts by some of the people in the zstar program.
Certain people seem to be of the opinion that if you swear once (i.e. break
the CoC) then you deserve a boot and if you don't like it read the CoC. Well
that sort of intolerance may be an acceptable attitude if you are a member
of a military academy but it is not acceptable in the general public and
certainly not in the zone.
If the zone is to have a zero tolerance policy on swearing then build an
automatic boot function into the chat software of the game. It would be
relatively easy to do, once you type a banned word you get booted instantly
from the game. I speculate that the reason this has not been done is because
nobody wants a zero tolerance system as it would alienate the zone
customers. How many people would want to play in a 100% Politically Correct
1994 Orwellian environment? How many would get furious at having this level
of control exercerted over them in a game that is built on the premise of
man against man conflict?
Ok so to maintain some sort of order and to enforce it the zone has sysops
and the CoC. The problem is that some sysops (or sysop trainees) that are
posting in this newsgroup are little different in attitude than the
aforementioned automatic boot function. And just as that type of solution
would help wreck the environment in the game so too will they. One bad call
by a sysop can wreck the enjoyment of a whole squad of players (i.e. the ATF
KOTS incident) so quickly that real care must be taken to choose sysops that
do not make these sort of bad calls.
The important thing to remember in policing this game is the overall purpose
of booting someone. It is to remove disruptive players who through their
actions are ruining the fun of other people. If someone is disrupting a
game room repeatedly then of course boot them. However if two long time
players are in a near empty room in the wee hours of the night having a
series of duels and one of them happens to type a swear word then is the
same response warranted?? Well if you say yes then you are part of the
problem.
The zone should have a course for future sysops in Customer relations and
the importance of maintaining excellent relations with your customers. The
Customer is the king here, boot a long term squad member from a friendly
game in the middle of the night and you not only are not protecting anyone
but you are ruining a very valuable relationship. A friendly reminder to
tone things down can be 100 times more effective than a draconian response.
The zone does not need more Neanderthals type sysops who are too stupid to
know the difference. They do need more "people" persons who have the
ability and intelligence to recognize the difference between a disruptive
player that deserves a punishment and a harmless situation that can be let
slide.
RGP_XO_Stats
logic means you are part of the problem.
It is pretty simple really. Read the CoC and comprehend it; follow to the
best of your ability; and realize that you are subject to its provisions as
part of your subscription.
Finally and even more simple; If you don't like it or disagree with it -
LEAVE! Please! Don't get involved in Orwellian or constitutional debate;
simply exercise your rights and leave!
I am personally offended by your attacks on the dedicated group of Sysops
that give up their personal time to perform a much needed and often
thankless function.
All of course my humble opinion.
RGP_XO_Stats
"MoB_Clyde" <Mob_C...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BLMa4.77728$eh2.1...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com...
RAF71_Wildcard
Jeff66
make mistakes and should not get banned for an infraction. If it's a
constant thing then of course the player should be banned.
RGP_XO_Stats <jwgo...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eTtkFUvU$GA.242@cpmsnbbsa02...
> Sorry to disappoint you, but this kind of idiotic thinking and
questionable
> logic means you are part of the problem.
>
> It is pretty simple really. Read the CoC and comprehend it; follow to the
> best of your ability; and realize that you are subject to its provisions
as
> part of your subscription.
>
> Finally and even more simple; If you don't like it or disagree with it -
> LEAVE! Please! Don't get involved in Orwellian or constitutional debate;
> simply exercise your rights and leave!
>
> I am personally offended by your attacks on the dedicated group of Sysops
> that give up their personal time to perform a much needed and often
> thankless function.
>
> All of course my humble opinion.
>
> RGP_XO_Stats
>
>
>
DOW_9er7Tango
sysop, knew it, practically dared her to do it, and once she had the screen
shot to prove it, did so. It was all in good fun though (on his part) and
the boot was temporary.
I would hate to be a sysop, joining to help people with technical problems
so they can enjoy a game, and helping to host events, then to be put in the
position of net cop. That would suck. And I imagine that some people would
try to test me because I shot them down before. So even if I had the time,
I wouldn't do it, because I don't need to demonstrate how patient I can be
when I have to be (I do that enough in real life). It's a lot easier not to
have to be patient.
--97T--
HARD_DТУM_PR
for a word they let slip. Sure it's negative reinforcement which is better
suited for children, but effective none-the-less. 5 minutes is not going to
kill the person, and maybe they would learn a lesson. If you got BANNED for
letting a single choice word slip, then that is a different matter.
You, Clyde, and your squadies know exactly why some of you were banned,
and it wasn't because you let the F word slip once late at night for sure.
It's really funny to me actually. It might have been the public outcry
against some of their antics? I know I wrote a few letters, and I wasn't
the only one. Just a thought sir.
I really don't have any sympathy for people whining (and I am not saying
you were whining Clyde) about getting banned when they DO know exactly what
collection of factors led to it. I am sure most of them do. It's the
people who get banned because they got a new credit card number or some
other technicality I sympathize with. I also sympathize with members of a
squad who were deemed guilty by association. But that only goes so far
because they were the ones who chose to associate with the bad seeds. When
you sleep with the hogs you are going to carry their stench...period. The
IQ of a mob (ok, ok pun intended) is as only as high as it's stupidest
individual. It only takes one rotten apple..........
If I realized my CO and others in my squad were teenage trouble makers, then
I would make the adult decision to part company personally.
And I guess I am part of the problem for having these opinions, lmao. I've
never been booted or banned, and I am proud to say I suspect it's because I
obey the CoC at all times. Actually, I hold myself to a higher standard
than just the CoC. That's just a baseline for me. I guess that makes me
some kind of snob?
--
DÒÓM
P. R. Officer
HARD_SQUAD_PR
MoB_Clyde
here. I have never been booted from the game and my ban was never explained
despite numerous inquiries, but that is an unrelated issue.
I am talking about the people in the zstar program who are posting in this
newsgroup and quite proudly stating that they back all the boots that have
happened and if you don't like it tough. It seems to me that once some of
these guys make it to the end of their training program we are going to have
exactly the wrong type of Policeman enforcing the rules. The zstar program
does not need power hungry Neanderthal type people no matter how dedicated
they are to the job. I really don't think they have the attitude or
intelligence to do what is actually a very delicate and important task.
HARD_DТУM_PR <nospamH...@theairforce.com> wrote in message
news:#z9j6BwU$GA.259@cppssbbsa04...
> DТУM
MoB_Clyde
>
> It is pretty simple really. Read the CoC and comprehend it; follow to the
> best of your ability; and realize that you are subject to its provisions
as
> part of your subscription.
Yes that is important. We should all do that.
snip
>
> Finally and even more simple; If you don't like it or disagree with it -
> LEAVE! Please! Don't get involved in Orwellian or constitutional debate;
> simply exercise your rights and leave!
What does this have to do with my arguments against choosing the wrong type
of person to be a sysop?
snip
> I am personally offended by your attacks on the dedicated group of Sysops
> that give up their personal time to perform a much needed and often
> thankless function.
>
It is a very important function and that is why the posts by some of the
people in here clearly indicate that they may not be up to the task.
There is no shortage of peope who are dieing for a position of authority and
a list of rules to enforce. The point is not to have power hungry rule
enforceing bullies in the job but people who are able to see the big picture
and know when and when not to come down hard on someone.
snip
> All of course my humble opinion.
We all have them.
>
> RGP_XO_Stats
RanHefner
in the real world, a choice four-letter word could slip out. But,
remember, you are TYPING. Choice four-letter words just don't slip out
of your fingers like they do you mouth. That takes a consious decision
on your part.
I never understood why some people can't find fun without using
profanity. I have a six year old son and before FA was jerked out from
under us, we both enjoyed flying. It was difficult to explain what
certain words mean. It was difficult to HAVE to explain to my son that
some people just can't express themselves properly.
So, yes you are human, but when you take TIME to type profanity, you
are just being anti-social to the rest of the FA community. I have
problems with many of the decisions that MSN, VR-1, MICROSOFT have
made, but never for booting someone for using foul language. It was
suggested to program in an AUTO-BOOT for the choice words. I am all
for that.
You agreed to a legal contract when you activated your FA account.
Stick with it. If you BREACH that contract, don't cry about the
fallout.
In article <ernIgevU$GA....@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com>,
"Jeff66" <Jef...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Get a life, I think zero tolerance is bull since we are only human.
We all
> make mistakes and should not get banned for an infraction. If it's a
> constant thing then of course the player should be banned.
> RGP_XO_Stats <jwgo...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:eTtkFUvU$GA.242@cpmsnbbsa02...
> > Sorry to disappoint you, but this kind of idiotic thinking and
> questionable
> > logic means you are part of the problem.
> >
> > It is pretty simple really. Read the CoC and comprehend it; follow
to the
> > best of your ability; and realize that you are subject to its
provisions
> as
> > part of your subscription.
> >
> > Finally and even more simple; If you don't like it or disagree with
it -
> > LEAVE! Please! Don't get involved in Orwellian or constitutional
debate;
> > simply exercise your rights and leave!
> >
> > I am personally offended by your attacks on the dedicated group of
Sysops
> > that give up their personal time to perform a much needed and often
> > thankless function.
> >
> > All of course my humble opinion.
> >
--
RanHefner (Fighter Ace 1.5 Refugee)
http://www.luftwaffe.org/airattack
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/airattack
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
RGP_XO_Stats
violation. That is not the point.
Most violations that I have witnessed were not a single word type incident,
most went far beyond that. The point is the constant complaining about the
CoC and trying to mask it with "zero tolerance" whining.
Get a life yourself
"Jeff66" <Jef...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:ernIgevU$GA....@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com...
MoB_Clyde
Well we are talking about the infamous Crack Pipe remark and the Papa Smurf
incidents to be exact.
You seem to be the type of person that this post is all about as you are not
looking at the incidents in question but making a general sweeping statement
to justify actions that may not have been in the best interests of the game.
The time you realize you are heading for customer relations problem is
before you have one, and not when the people are "(exercising their rights
and leaving)".
Since you do not seem to see the harm in loosing customers to these actions
I will try to explain it to you.
If you were in a marketing type career you should know that the current
thinking is that the value of service companies like a Gym or a Bottled
Water company or a Cleaning service or The Zone is directly related to the
number of people on PAP (pre authorized payment plans) and not their brick
and mortar assets. Yes if you have 1000's of members who do not need much
servicing and that willingly pay their dues each month then you have a very
valuable company. The cost of acquiring each customer may be high but
because you do not have to spend much to service them their value is higher.
Why do you think people are willing to pump hundreds of millions of dollars
into companies like Amazon.com that have never shown a profit? They are
building a customer base and they know that the value of the new customers
justifies the cost of acquiring them.
What is really a tragedy is when people who are not aware of the big picture
and their role in things come in and destroy what is really the most
valuable commodity in this game, the players good will. One out touch sysop
(no mater how "dedicated") can drive away a customer a week with ease. Over
the course of a couple of years you have lost all those customers as well as
all their referral business. One happy customer can lead to 5 or 10 new
referrals. Do the math and calculate the cost.
There is a lot of rage in this newsgroup right now and it is due to many
reasons. But unfortunately anger has a habit of spreading and getting out of
control. It is up to the people at the zone to try and address the issues
that are angering their customers, especially their long term ones, if they
wish for this place to grow to its true potential.
RGP_XO_Stats <jwgo...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:#6KAxswU$GA.301@cpmsnbbsa03...
MoB_Clyde
Where does the time go?
RAF71_Wildcard <lga...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:O2SKtXvU$GA....@cppssbbsa02.microsoft.com...
> Umm Orwellian 1984 Clyde???
Biff Henderson
I know that the chat lobbies have the 'filter language' option, but how
does that work in the arenas?
--
AM Biff Henderson, VC, DFC, CGM
Technical Officer
RAF Squadron No. 54
__55thFG__KIRK
provided us with a tool to blind our eyes from foul language. To bad so few
know about it since it is under chat options on zone lobbies. Its called a
chat filter which allows you to customize what you wish to see or what you
don't wanna see by creating a badwords.txt file and placing it in one of the
folders i believe the MSN Gaming Zone folder. You can edit this text file
and add words you don't care to see. It's that simple...
I doubt skilled zone chancellors are simply booting people with foul
language since they can simply gag you and knowbody can hear what your
saying.
I for one don't blame em for gagging foul mouths. Now if it was a temporary
gag 5 minutes or so and they were nice enough to give you your chat back and
you flagrantly spouted off with that foul mouth again i hope they kick ya
out for a time out to let you know they are serious.
It is easier to silence a foul mouth and allow him to continue to play. It
had a greater impact when your can't speak though :-) An auto boot function
subject to bugs could boot the entire zone if it went bad hehe. See where im
going. Use the tools the zone has provided us and allow them "sysops" to
protect those not aware of what they have in there zone software.
If i said what i wanted to say in the game sometimes i would have a lifetime
gag lol. But some of us have the discipline to keep it clean and some of us
don't. The ones that don't are the ones that need to be dealt with in one
way or another correct???
55 OUT
KIRK
*LiveBait
opinion is mine alone. It does not represent MS, FA, or the Zone in any way.
I usually stay pretty quiet in here, because I don't like the seemingly
mandatory flaming that accompanies every other post. But here goes...
While I certainly sympathize with someone that feels they were "booted" in
error, please remember that there are two sides to every story. And SysOps
are trained (yes, I said trained) to handle these matters privately. SysOps
are not permitted to address these kind of issues in the newsgroups out of
respect for your privacy (among other reasons).
If you have an issue with a SysOp, you are encouraged to take that matter up
with the SysOp in question. If you still feel you have not received proper
resolution after discussing it with the SysOp, you are encouraged to send
your concerns/issues/comments to ZMa...@Microsoft.com.
That said, I would like to sincerely suggest to everyone that feels the Zone
needs a change with regards to SysOps/ZStars to volunteer to become one. The
only way to change something, is to take action. Debating and commenting and
endless arguing does nothing to bring about change. I volunteered to become
a ZStar because I got sick and tired of some of the crap that was going on
in FighterAce.
I think that some of you would be surprised at just how much training,
effort, and dedication it takes to make the grade as a SysOp/ZStar. I know I
was (training classes, tours, evaluations, homework, journals, logs, etc.).
I started my training in November. It will probably take another month or
two before I get my promotion to SysOp. Then, I will have to undergo even
more rigorous training to be considered for the FighterAce Team. All told,
if I succeed, it will have taken me many months and a lot of long hours to
get to where I need to be to make a difference. And since I've started my
training, I think I've had time to play FA maybe twice!
You think Sysops/ZStars just hang out on the Zone and have fun and play
games? Consider this. Everyone saw the recent thread concerning the Zone
Wide Chat Rooms and what goes on in there. ZStars are REQUIRED to deal with
that room. Ever been to the SysOp Help Room? Guess what, REQUIRED again.
Why am I telling you this? It's not to discourage anyone from applying, it's
so you understand that the Zone (and the FighterAce Team in particular)
doesn't just pick names out of a hat and say, "You're a SysOp now!". It
takes a lot of dedication and hard work.
Is it all worth it in the long run? That depends on the person. For me, Yes.
Because instead of just living with the problems of the Zone, I'll get to
help fix them. I think that everyone here is familiar with the feelings of
accomplishment and satisfaction that come from actually participating in the
solution. To me, that makes it all worth while.
*puts on his flame retardant flight suit*
OK, Flame when ready!!!
--
*LiveBait
MSN Gaming Zone
ZStar
Zabastov
Biff Henderson <54B...@combatpilot.com> wrote in message
<386BD8C2...@combatpilot.com>...
No Biff, there is no filter in the arenas, on the Q command, to silence the
offending player.
Zabastov
of the 72nd
Zabastov
Jeff66 wrote in message ...
>Get a life, I think zero tolerance is bull since we are only human. We all
>make mistakes and should not get banned for an infraction. If it's a
>constant thing then of course the player should be banned.
Hmmm . . . As far as I know the Zone does not have a "Zero" tolerance to any
language with the possible exception of the F word, and I think unless there
is some kind of attack involved even then there is normally a warning of
some kind. However. . . .combine an attitude with several words being used
and I can see were a person might be removed from the Zone for a short while
very quickly. Also, a known trouble maker may be removed quicker than an
unknown entity, and I think for good reason.
While I tend to watch my language very closely when in an on-line forum, the
occasional explicative by others does not shock or offend me personally.
LOL. . .as an ex-sailor little could be said or done that would. But, this
is a game that people of all ages play, and I see no reason that pointless,
gratuitous swearing and/or personal attacks should be tolerated.
Now this is a game of conflict, and sometimes goading an opponent into the
fight is necessary, and people hate to loose, but I can see no need to
resort to swearing. Can anyone tell me how this enhances the Fighter Ace
experience? (wow, sorry for the 90's sound there)
There is a Code of Conduct on the Zone, and everyone agreed to abide by it
when they signed up for their nickname. In addition to the Letter of the
Code of Conduct, there is the Spirit of the Code of Conduct, and all who
play on the Zone should try to play by the Spirit as well as the Letter.
This is common courtesy, but looking at the newspaper today I see that is in
short supply just about everywhere.
Zabastov
of the 72nd
RanHefner
I suppose that MSN sees it this way. One foul mouth jerk in FA can
make 10, 20, 30 WHAT EVER number of parents close their children's
account rather than have them listen to the GARBAGE that is typed in FA
in the name of FUN.
In article <0FQa4.77880$eh2.1...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>,
--
Clyde
talking about those guys are we??
RanHefner <ranh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:84h5mc$jei$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Clyde
The ones that do no deserve to be a sysop are the ones that say "Read the
CoC if you swear you are gone" or something similar.
When ATF said put down crack pipe to the sysop and he booted him it was a
real travasty of justice. Two squad squaring off in a room most of them know
each other. People making jokes before the start of the game.
That is the type of situation I am talking about. Or say a friend of yours
comes and shoots you down as you are taking off in a near empty room. You
type A$$hole not in anger or to haras the guy but as a freindly expression
of mock anger. The sysop knows you and knows the other guy is a friend of
yours. That would be a second example. Anyway you get the drift.
Zabastov <Zabast...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ucQxsrzU$GA.274@cppssbbsa05...
>
> Jeff66 wrote in message ...
> >Get a life, I think zero tolerance is bull since we are only human. We
all
> >make mistakes and should not get banned for an infraction. If it's a
> >constant thing then of course the player should be banned.
>
>
Rusty Knight
said you agreed to uphold the Code of Conduct. You said you would uphold the
Code of Conduct at all times, not just at your convience!
RAF71_rkmojo
Rusty
RGP_XO_Stats
customer base and the "value" of the expected revenue stream.
As an ex Big-5 CPA and a finance executive for a Fortune 50 company, I had
no idea that customers had any value.
Stats
"MoB_Clyde" <Mob_C...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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RGP_XO_Stats
Stats
"Zabastov" <Zabast...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ucQxsrzU$GA.274@cppssbbsa05...
>
> Jeff66 wrote in message ...
> >Get a life, I think zero tolerance is bull since we are only human. We
all
> >make mistakes and should not get banned for an infraction. If it's a
> >constant thing then of course the player should be banned.
>
>
RGP_XO_Stats
I own a nightclub. A few patrons come in and engage in drunken and/or
boorish behavior in violation of the rules of my club. By doing so, they
annoy or disturb the vast majority of my patrons.
Using your line of reasoning, I do nothing because I am worried about that
fact that these disruptive patrons might not return. In other words, I
tolerate this conduct because I don't want to lose customers?
I don't think so. I may ask them to leave and not to return unless they can
abide by my rules. Rules that are set in place to ensure that the majority
of my patrons are satisfied with the experience and will return. Those are
the customers that I care about.
Make any sense?
Stats
"MoB_Clyde" <Mob_C...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Clyde
little insite into the value of a customer as you seem to place no
importance on that issue.
BTW I do not judge people by what there ex job is or was. I have met some
very intelligent people who are working in very small start up companies and
some people with little common sense with quite high up positions in some
very large compaines.
If you read the history of Microsoft especially the portions relating to the
IBM executives in the early years of the company you will know what I mean.
Now if you were the guy who managed that company as it became a member of
the fortune 50 I would definetly eat my words as he would probably know more
than I ever will about creating value, customer relations and succeeding in
business.
RGP_XO_Stats <jwgo...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OT$hb#5U$GA.286@cpmsnbbsa03...
Clyde
BTW I worked as a bouncer at a very sucessful bar when I was at university.
I did learn quite a few lessons about dealing with people there. Your
senerio does have some very good similarities to our topic here.
The first thing I would do is asses the situation. Just a small number of
the things I would consider are who are the individuals? Are the two
individual friends who are not bothering anyone one else or strangers
looking for trouble? Are they well respected customers with a large number
of firends that come here often or young guys with no experience in a bar or
just trouble makers? Are
they open to friendly reasoning or do they want a confrontation? These are
all things I weigh before approaching them. Ok so now do I come over and
toss both of them out even if they are regular customers who were only
talking to each other who are part of a large network of friends that
patronize the bar regularly? Do you think that would be smart? Well in a
zero tolerance situation I would have to.
Don't quit your day job and open a bar.
RGP_XO_Stats <jwgo...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OigpQI6U$GA.291@cpmsnbbsa03...
General DF_Ice
are gone" at all, Clyde. The jist of what's been said is that constant
known violators of the CoC will find themselves on the business end of a
boot for a few minutes much faster than a person who inadvertantly types a
bad word out of frustration and learns a lesson after a simple "Please don't
use that kind of language" is thrown out. The idea is to make a fun and
safe environment for folks of ALL ages to game in. It's a gaming area, not
a forum for comparing foul words and enuendo.
After reading that you were once a bouncer in a bar, I would assume you can
relate to what a Sysop's job is. I also have worked as a bouncer, and know
that force is the last resort, the main idea being to stop the disruptive
behavior with words before physicality. There is a line, however. It's
called the CoC, and a contractual obligation exists between zoners and the
Zone. I know I'm starting to come off like a broken record, but the fact
remains.
Thanks for your time, and Happy New Millennium,
--
Gen. DF_Ice
Delta Force Squadron
Commanding Officer
*Arctic_Fist
Zone ZSTAR
http://deltaforcesquad.8m.com
http://www.homestead.com/dfsquad
"If it flies, it dies!!!"
Clyde <mob_c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cc2b4.17039$7S.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> You would probably make a good sysop.
>
> The ones that do no deserve to be a sysop are the ones that say "Read the
> CoC if you swear you are gone" or something similar.
>
> When ATF said put down crack pipe to the sysop and he booted him it was a
> real travasty of justice. Two squad squaring off in a room most of them
know
> each other. People making jokes before the start of the game.
>
> That is the type of situation I am talking about. Or say a friend of yours
> comes and shoots you down as you are taking off in a near empty room. You
> type A$$hole not in anger or to haras the guy but as a freindly expression
> of mock anger. The sysop knows you and knows the other guy is a friend of
> yours. That would be a second example. Anyway you get the drift.
>
>
>
> Zabastov <Zabast...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ucQxsrzU$GA.274@cppssbbsa05...
> >
> > Jeff66 wrote in message ...
> > >Get a life, I think zero tolerance is bull since we are only human. We
> all
> > >make mistakes and should not get banned for an infraction. If it's a
> > >constant thing then of course the player should be banned.
> >
> >
> > Hmmm . . . As far as I know the Zone does not have a "Zero" tolerance to
> any
> > language with the possible exception of the F word, and I think unless
> there
> > is some kind of attack involved even then there is normally a warning of
> > some kind. However. . . .combine an attitude with several words being
> used
> > and I can see were a person might be removed from the Zone for a short
> while
> > very quickly. Also, a known trouble maker may be removed quicker than
RAF71_Wildcard
slurs, name calling whatever say it out loud . To type something like that
takes more effort then actually saying it. Many has been the time when I'm
cursing Those Vile Mother F$%%^^* as my plane spins to the ground from 40k
but I never print it on the screen.NEVER. To print in on the screen is not a
slip of the tongue. You must have conscious thought and put yer fingers in
action. All apologies to VMF but I think out of all squads you guys downed
me the most and it burns my butt when you do hehehe
RAF71_Wildcard
"Rusty Knight" <rkm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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DOW_9er7Tango
wage for counter help. Not all of your applicants are going to be top
notch. If your best people leave, you will have a hard time filling your
positions with good people, because when you are limited that way, you are
going to have to take what you can get to some extent.
Now if you were a software company that had to pay zero, and rely on
volunteers, you would very likely have a similar problem.
Just as when a squad has members that give it a bad reputation, the same
thing could happen to the sysops, and then of course those who are top notch
will suffer for it accordingly.
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MoB_Clyde <Mob_C...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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*LiveBait
is zero tolerance, the f-word. Doesn't matter where or when. Doesn't matter
who said it. It is absolutely NOT allowed on the Zone.
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*LiveBait
MSN Gaming Zone
ZStar
"RAF71_Wildcard" <lga...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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DOW_9er7Tango
Isn't that zmaster email address the one everyone complains about being a
bitbucket? LOL
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*LiveBait <sand...@baseent.com> wrote in message
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HARD__SHEET
pipe as I was only going 3 miles over the speed limit. What do you think his
response would be? But officer I meant it as a joke!!! If a joke can be seen
as a personal attack don't make it.
If you want to use foul language use the private area & PW protect it. By
doing that you can make as many bad/off color jokes you want because you
will have total control on who you let in. Make sure they are people who can
appreciate your humor. I have personally flown with many different squads in
a private room and we can get a little raunchy, well in reality we can get
down right vulgar, but we know it is private & only the people we let in can
see it. In other words only OUR children can see it if we see fit. We do not
expose unknown minors to our adult behavior. That is what the CoC is all
about. If you cannot deal with it find something else to do.
sheet
> > Now this is a game of conflict, and sometimes goading an opponent into
the
Susie keen
sysops were not toally fair most of them are but I know a cple that arent. I
saw a guy booted for 24 hours one night for saying the word sh.. and he had
been provoked by another guy that was using the worst language you can think
of. I left the room and asked the sysop why their reply was I didnt see them
doing it. Well if they saw the one person they had to see the other. I also
know this same sysop to be picking on certain people but when you contact
the zmaster you either dont get a reply or it says something totally off the
wall. I myself have never had a reply from him.For those sysops that are
fair and doing what they are supposed to I salute them but somone needs to
take a hold of the one or two that isnt. Bye Bye and kiss kiss.....
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KISS KISS AU_SUZYQ
"*LiveBait" <sand...@baseent.com> wrote in message
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Bar. Which I don't but that does make sense to me. MS is doing a good job
and that is why I like the zone. If you don't like the censors then check
out AOL or some other chat rooms. I myself enjoy the civility that the zone
encourages here.
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Regards,
_65Moose1am
Takeoffs are optional, but landings are mandatory
Change the "K" to a "C" in my email address to reply to me. That is
antispam stuff.
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