Conversion tool for ASP to ASP.Net?

Rudi Larno

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Jan 14, 2003, 12:29:50 PM1/14/03

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Hi,

I've googled and searched all over, but have not found any conversion tool
that would allow a (semi-)automatic conversion from a asp site to asp.net

Anybody got some ideas about how to best handle this. The site is rather
big.

Thanks

Curt_C [MVP]

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Jan 14, 2003, 12:35:55 PM1/14/03

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a two second search on google for "convert asp aspx" came back with 10000+
hits.

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Curt_C [MVP]

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Jan 14, 2003, 12:44:53 PM1/14/03

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yes but they are a start.
You're not going to get a good tool for this I don't believe....there are
WAY too many coding possabilites and ways of doing things, not to mention
language syntax variations

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> Those are articles dealing with conversions, there aren't over 10,000
> conversion tools out there.
>
> "Curt_C [MVP]" <Software_AT_Darkfalz.com> wrote in message
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Marina

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Jan 14, 2003, 12:40:45 PM1/14/03

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Those are articles dealing with conversions, there aren't over 10,000
conversion tools out there.

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Rudi Larno

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Jan 14, 2003, 12:53:33 PM1/14/03

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From those 10000+ hits, I believe there is NO conversion tool, ok, maybe
link nr 5098... but I'm not going to check all those hits.

So I'm sorry but pretty useless info for an MVP.

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Marina

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Jan 14, 2003, 12:48:09 PM1/14/03

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I agree I don't think he will find a tool.

However, he was looking for one, and that is what he asked. I think its safe
to assume that he already found articles. But now he wanted to find an
automated tool, such as the vb6 to vb.net wizard. Pointing out that the
google search returned 10K records for something that he wasn't looking for,
is hardly going to help him with his particular question.

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Mike Drewery

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Jan 14, 2003, 1:07:51 PM1/14/03

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http://visualbasic.about.com/library/weekly/aa120102a.htm

Mike

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Curt_C [MVP]

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Jan 14, 2003, 1:12:02 PM1/14/03

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That's VB6 to VB.Net though.....

Personally I'd like to find a tool for ASP -> ASPX conversion as
well....just not holding my breath

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Rudi Larno

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Jan 14, 2003, 1:21:43 PM1/14/03

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The Only tool I found sofar: http://www.netcoole.com/asp2aspx.htm (USD694)

Most interesting links:
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/techinfo/articles/upgrade/aspmigration.asp
>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/h
tml/convertasptoaspnet.asp>

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vbcon/html
/vbtskmigratingasppagetoasp.asp>

Still digging...

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Rudi Larno

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Jan 14, 2003, 1:27:00 PM1/14/03

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Weirdest conversion I'v seen :
http://www.artinsoft.com/iproducts/winformstoweb/index.html?CMP=KA12178
same guys that built and are building the VB to VB.Net wizard included in
VS.Net

Ray at work

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Jan 14, 2003, 1:51:00 PM1/14/03

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You could find a utlity here http://www.elance.com/. That utility will be
an actual person you'd pay to do it.

Ray at work

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Kevin Spencer

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Jan 14, 2003, 2:04:22 PM1/14/03

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Great article. I was going to say something along the same lines: Using any
tool to convert an ASP application to ASP.Net would be a bad idea. You're
talking about 2 completely different programming paradigms here: ASP is
procedural, and ASP.Net is object-oriented. That's the biggest hurdle to
jump. But there are others: ASP uses VBScript, which is a tiny subset of VB,
which doesn't have half the functionality of the full power of the CLR. ASP
uses COM for a good number of server-side operations. ASP.Net requires a
wrapper to use COM, which slows down the application. And most functionality
which previously necessitated using COM can be accomplished with the
built-in CLR. In short, trying to convert an ASP app to ASP.Net is sort of
like trying to convert a bicycle into a Boeing 747. What you end up with is
a giant bicycle that doesn't fly very well.

HTH,

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Marina

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Jan 14, 2003, 2:18:19 PM1/14/03

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Hehe, yes.

And I think someone else posted an actual utility that will do this,
although it is not free. However, it may be worth it if the project to be
converted is big enough and if the utility works.

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Ira Baxter

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Jan 14, 2003, 4:32:14 PM1/14/03

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We build custom migration tools using generalized compiler technology.
We could probably do this. Not an off-the-shelf tool.
But if there is a lot of code, the economics and time frame
can make very good sense.

See http://www.semdesigns.com/Products/Services/LegacyMigration.html

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Rude Dude

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Jan 14, 2003, 6:36:44 PM1/14/03

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I must say that in my own opinion, I totally agree. Given that the site is
less than optimal (read: bad case of spaghetti asp), I'd rather go for the
whole redesign and re-implement; and if I had my REALLY own personal way,
I'd code it in C#, but thats' a matter of taste. Anyway, the big reasoning
behind this and any other conversion tool is to be able to reuse as much as
possible the existing codebase, allowing the me to sell going to .Net to the
'brass'.

So the real issue is: how do I convince my managers that going for .Net is
the thing to do. They choose MS technology before, but the implementation
done by us has not been the best. As in: not the cleanest software written,
performance and functionality is all there. Now I want them to choose to
redo the whole thing again in .Net, and get all the benefits. Now how do you
translate that to a manager? How do I ... dare I say it... sell this.

I do thank you for your input on this matter, I think I have arrived at the
real problem.

Rudi

Rude Dude

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Jan 14, 2003, 6:48:47 PM1/14/03

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Ooooh noo don't use elance, go to www.smarterwork.com

( I helped start that company up several years ago, too bad the dotbomb
kinda killed our growth and the CIO wasn't interested in moving to Win2000
or the first .Net beta, too bad... sniff, memories, full winDNA model, build
on NT4, clustered on two boxes only, but blazingly fast, translated site in
seven languages, I remember the days and nights spent in optimizing homepage
loading and stored procedures behind them, hey my login still even works...
how about that ;-)

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Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]

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Jan 14, 2003, 7:01:36 PM1/14/03

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Just a quick request/reminder not to include the Announcements group in regular
discussion threads? Announcements works best when there's less clutter.

Thanks,

Ken

Kevin Spencer

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Jan 15, 2003, 1:20:41 PM1/15/03

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As I mentioned in my private reply to your private CC of this message
(please keep it public in the future), I do believe you're right as to the
real problem. What I would recommend is a "vertical" migration, migrating
each of your Applications' sections to ASP.Net when you upgrade, which will
more or less spread out and absorb the conversion cost. As to the benefits
you can tout to your company:

1. ASP is deprecated technology. Best to use the current.
2. ASP is procedural. ASP.Net is object-oriented
3. ASP uses VBScript, and requires COM for most server-side operations.
ASP.Net uses fully compiled programming languages, and can do virtually
anything you need without COM.
4. ASP is interpreted each request. ASP.Net is compiled and cached.

In short: ASP.Net is much more powerful in every way than ASP.

HTH,

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DavidW

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Jan 15, 2003, 2:23:24 PM1/15/03

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That's not only VB6 to VB.net, but even THAT doesn't complete the job for
you - - - if you've got a sizeable project, the amount of re-working of what
it gives you is so much, you might as well re-write the project from
scratch.

David Wier
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http://aspexpress.com
Home of ASP Express - the best ASP/ASP.Net text editor in the Galaxy

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Peter Bromberg

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Jan 16, 2003, 8:00:56 PM1/16/03

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Having read through this thread, and also having converted many pages from
classic ASP to ASP.NET (primarily to C#, not VB.Net) I echo the general
sentiment: The best way to convert classic ASP to .NET is to simply practice
converting pages from classic ASP to ASP.Net. In the process, you learn a
lot more about .Net and you will probably save a considerable amount of time
in the long run.

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Ah_Ah_Ahhh

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:00:44 AM1/17/03

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http://www.netcoole.com/asp2aspx.htm

Seems to be something what you are looking.

However, I don't know how good it is.

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