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cas

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Everything I find re MS certification is either:
1. related only to MS Office programs,
or
2. related to technical aspects of the OS's

I am looking to get certified, but am uninterested in the techie stuff. I
simply wish to teach newbies the basics of how to use W95/98 and some
programs like Word and Excel. This does not require any techie knowledge,
nor am I wishing to learn how to "mess with" my customers' computers'
settings and such.

Any ideas? All info gratefully appreciated!


carla

Robert Moir

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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cas <te...@m-usa.com> wrote in message
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MOUS is not a "techie" cert. It is designed for illustrate proficiency in MS
Office, and breaks down into training and courses for each office component.
It's entirely suitable if you want to learn about, and teach other people
about Word and Excel. With all due respect, if you find MOUS to be too
"techie" you may want to rethink teaching other people how to use MS Office.

As for the general basics of using Windows, you can look at
http://www.ecdl.com/ - It's not available in all countries yet, but it's
certainly building up to be, and should give you a yardstick to compare
other schemes if nothing else.
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cas

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Robert,

I never said anything about MS Office itself being "too techie." If you
would read a little more carefully, I very specifically was referring to
operating systems; I also mentioned teaching "...the basics of how to use
W95/98 and some programs like Word and Excel...does not require any techie
knowledge...". One need not teach clerical staff ("end-users") how to
adjust things in their sysedit or control panel in order to teach them how
to find documents, make short-cuts, et al. Some things are best taught as
something to be left to their MIS dept, or technical support. If they have
trouble understanding how to interpret the Windows Explorer screen, and all
I want to teach them is how to recognize what they need, and what to stay
out of/avoid, why do I not have a choice of being certified in something
simpler than "installing/maintaining networks," "maintaining the registry,"
"implementing and supporting," etc., or MOUS, which is limited to MS Office
only?

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G. Andrew Duthie

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Dec 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/27/99
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Why not simply go ahead with the Win 9x certification? It is simple enough,
and while you may not need to teach everything it covers to your end users,
it would certainly demonstrate that you know the OS well enough to teach the
basics. It would also help you better assess which things are important to
tell end users, and which are important to tell them to stay away from.

Regards,

G. Andrew Duthie
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Robert Moir

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cas <te...@m-usa.com> wrote in message
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> Robert,
>
> I never said anything about MS Office itself being "too techie." If you
> would read a little more carefully,[...]

Yes, upon doing what you suggest above I see that I did misread you first
time. Please accept my apologies.

> I want to teach them is how to recognize what they need, and what to stay
> out of/avoid, why do I not have a choice of being certified in something
> simpler than "installing/maintaining networks," "maintaining the
registry,"
> "implementing and supporting," etc., or MOUS, which is limited to MS
Office
> only?

I suspect it is because it might be difficult for a company that writes a
lot of training material to see a definate market for training stuff that is
not related to a particular product

Did you take a look at the ECDL stuff I mentioned? We teach courses based on
this at my college in the UK and we are very pleased with it. We are seeing
a lot of individuals and companies become interested in it, and some
organisations are insisting all their staff have an ECDL certificate. As it
is a worldwide (with more and more countries signing up all the time)
certificate it appears to be very popular precisely because it is not vendor
specific and because it is not related to some education committee's narrow
idea of what industry wants.

ECDL assumes nothing about the user's prior experience of computers when
they sit down to start the course, which is actually something a lot of
courses struggle to do well. A lot of beginners courses assume people know
how to use a mouse - which (as you probably know) can be very difficult for
someone who has never touched a computer before to get the hang of. On the
other hand, if you know an area it's also easy to skip ahead. You might want
to see if you can get details on this course and have a look to see if
something in your area equals it, or if you can adopt their material to your
needs. ECDL includes modules on desktop applications software (such as
office type applications) and is not vendor specific.

It might not (probably not) go into enough detail to be a useful course on
the applications themselves, but as a course on computer use in general and
a taster to "office" applications that prepares people for more detailed
work in the areas they need I am finding ECDL to be way out in front.

Hope this helps..

Rob Moir

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