MS Money, MacOS Edition

[N G]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QerT2ylQzDK4an76atBpcdivF9Hy-nIa?usp=drive_link

Download the file msmoneysetup.zip_MacOS_20Mar2025 and the version of money installer that you use, Dlx or H&B. Extract it into your home folder /Users/youraccount.

Just like the Linux version, put the money installer in the moneyinstaller folder, and if you use msmoneyquotes put that in the msmoneyquotes folder.

This is all in the README, but there are three scripts:

Install.sh - Installs everything, just follow the prompts, enter your password when prompted and follow the instructions (basically press enter when it tells you).

MSMoney.sh: After installation, use MSMoney.sh to run it. A shortcut will also be created on the desktop.

Uninstall.sh: In case of trouble of if you want to clean it all out, run this.

In the logs folder, there will be a wine-uninstall.log afterwards.

Attached here is the README for MacOS. It is very similar to the Linux version. Once Money is installed, as far as my tests have shown, it runs the same as in Linux. I probably need to edit some items in this version but please let me know if anything is confusing or needs to be tweaked.

I have an M1 Mac Mini, so I'm curious how it runs on any Intel Macs out there.

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup.zip_MacOS_64bit_22Mar2025

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QerT2ylQzDK4an76atBpcdivF9Hy-nIa?usp=drive_link

DPI settings - I load the 120 dpi setting directly early in Install.sh now without using a registry file, never figured out why overwriting previous reg entries don't take effect during the installation process.

But I discovered that when Money runs the first time we MUST select our mny file manually or create a new one for the installation to fully complete. If I import money's reg settings before that about 8000 entries aren't inserted into the registry, many of them related to all the wav files for sounds.

After that though, Install.sh will import mnyprefs.reg and all your settings should be loaded. Let me know if there's any more weirdness with this.

The README has been updated as well, attached below. A big note for MacOS: ofx/qfx file associations don't take effect until after logging out and back in (or rebooting). This updates LaunchServices.

Nathan

[N G]

Actively troubleshooting some issues on an older 2013 macbook, Big Sur 11.7. 

For reference, it took about 3 hours to download and compile everything (fiber internet). Good thing is Install.sh, MSMoney.sh, and Uninstall.sh are renamed to Install.command, etc. This means you can just double-click these files without actually opening a terminal first.

On my M1 macmini the process took about 15 minutes or so the first time, and then just a few minutes on subsequent installations. I think the takeaway is that the Intel Macs will take quite a bit longer to setup initially than the M-series.

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_24Mar2025.zip

OK! Confirmed MS Money runs on a 2013 Macbook with Big Sur! Also fixed some syntax errors that cross pollinated over from Linux. Working on a method to prevent this in the future.

So Big Sur and Sequoia are good, and both Intel and Apple Silicon. Standing by for testers!

Nathan

[N G]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q8tIN6r0xCAn77jUvXrmpkqmUnhw3mxZ/view?usp=share_link

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_02Apr2025.zip

For Bill and anyone else who wants to take this for a spin. With this link, when the page loads, click the download button at the top.

If you have trouble, here's the link for the shared drive with all the files:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QerT2ylQzDK4an76atBpcdivF9Hy-nIa?usp=share_link

This is the latest MacOS full installer. Download and copy to your home folder. Double click to extract it. Open a terminal (Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal.app). Type:

cd msmoneysetup (Enter)

./Install.sh (Enter)

Type your password when it asks and follow the prompts. It may take quite a bit of time depending on the speed of your Mac. My friend's 2013 MacBook Pro took 3 hours, while my M1 Mac mini only takes about 10 minutes. Select the version of Money, (1-5) just like in the Linux version. When Money runs the first time, DO NOT CLICK Next! (it's very easy to do this.) Instead, click File -> Open, and browse to either the sample.mny file, or a copy of your own. See my comments below about your own mny file. For the non-US versions, after you select sample.mny in C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Money 2005, there will be a message about upgrading the mny file. Click Next, and wait for it to complete. Then click Finish. After Money runs the first time, the terminal will ask for your password again to copy the MSMoney.app into Applications. Afterwards, you can click MSMoney in Applications to run Money. Whether you get this far or not, post in this thread for the MacOS installer with questions or comments. 

pocketsense for MacOS is inside msmoneysetup but there are issues will getting all the libraries it needs, specifically "requests". The good thing (for now) is when you have ofx and qfx files, right click on them, Get Info, and select MSMoney.app under Open with, and click Change All. You may have to log out and log back in for the ofx and qfx file associations to be updated.

The MacOS version of msmoneysetup is very much a work in progress (Under Construction!), much more so than the Linux side. The Linux version is very polished thanks to the help from Kevin and Gerardus, and much of that polish is in the MacOS version as well but this will need testing and user feedback. It's probably a good idea to either use the sample.mny file or a second copy of your own mny file until msmoneysetup for MacOS reaches the same level of polish as Linux. The Quick Start Guide will need some work as well, but may help initially in testing. 

The Mac version has an Uninstall.sh script. In case of trouble run:

~/msmoneysetup/Uninstall.sh

and enter your password when it asks. It won't remove MSMoney.app from Applications though but it will in a subsequent release.

In case of trouble please post your wine-install.log file. 

Thanks,

Nathan

[Bill Hackney]

Hi Nathan

Firstly, great work in getting the MacOS edition to this stage.

So, I downloaded the Installer to my 2017 MacBook Air (1.8 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5, 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, 128 GB SSD) running Monterey.  I initially tried running it under a non-admin user.  I then got a "The "python.3" command requires the command line developer tools. Would you like to install the tools now?" message.  I hit install, and it then told me I needed 20Gb of disk space for that, and I only had 15Gb spare, so I then proceeded to clear some disk space, and then had another go.  At the end of the install of the developer tools, that install appeared to fall over.  Looking at the disk space it doesn't appear to have used 20Gb, and I can't see that the developer tools have installed (where should look?).  I guess that the developer tools are a prerequisite?  They don't appear to be referred to in README.txt

I then switched to an admin user.  Running Install.sh took about 2 hrs 40 mins, but that might have been influenced by the fact that the MacBook was running on wifi and attempted a couple of Time Machine backups during the process, which normally slows the MacBook and my network down a bit (the TM is on a NAS), and which I cancelled when I saw they were happening.  On three occasions I was asked for my sudo password, and I also got a "Do you want the application "openssl" to accept incoming network connections?" message, which I Allowed.

After it appeared to download Money2005-UK-QFE.exe, Install.sh fell over, with the the following:

./Install.sh: line 360: /opt/homebrew/bin/gdown: No such file or directory

and then went back to the command prompt.  That threw me because, as I say, it appeared to be downloading Money2005-UK-QFE.exe, in the same way as it had downloaded all of the other software ("No installer found. Downloading Money2005-UK-QFE2.exe...")

That prompted me to go back to README.txt and I then saw that I needed to place a copy of Money2005-UK-QFE.exe into the moneyinstall folder myself.  Which I then did, and then re-ran Install.sh, which took less than five minutes and successfully installed Money, which I've now used to open sample.mny.  I'll try it with my Money file later.

You'll see that the righthand side of the Account screen is slight truncated, with no horizontal scroll bar.

Other than those things, so far everything seems to have worked okay.  Of course I couldn't put Money2005-UK-QFE.exe into the moneyinstall folder until the script had created that folder.  I'm not sure if you can script it to download the Money installation file from a suitable location on the Internet, rather than require the user to get a copy?  If that's not possible you might want to make it clearer in README / amend Install.sh so that it pauses to allow the user to copy the Money installation exe into moneyinstall.

Once again, great work.

Bill

[Nathan Giard]

Hi Bill,

That’s amazing you got it to work with the problems! A couple comments/questions:

Can you confirm which msmoneysetup.zip file you used? Can you go into your msmoneysetup folder, logs folder, and post your wine-install.log for me?

The latest installer should not give you the “python3 command requires….” message. I spent a bit of time figuring that out. But yours is an Intel Mac so I may have more work to do. 

Is there a MSMoney.app in your Applications? Does it work?

Any script from me should be run as a non-admin user. Typing your password when prompted is what’s needed. You don’t want to run Windows programs as an admin since the vulnerability to viruses is there, even when running in this manner.

I need to verify if openssl is installed on my mac, not sure why that happened. For sure though, don’t allow this. 

I’ve been working on the MacOS Quick Start Guide and FullGuide so I hope to have more relevant versions of those posted soon. The README is a bit outdated and less complete for MacOS, but I have a feeling you’ll be able to help me dial it in ;) README will be replaced by the two Guide documents. 

I have a request. Can you run Uninstall.sh and then run Install.sh again please? Uninstall will uninstall everything that was installed with Install.sh. It won’t delete the MSMoney.app in Applications (yet). Then send me the wine-install.log after that too. Just run it once as a regular user so I can see what happens when. 

Hopefully soon I’m trying to make Install.sh be it’s own application that you can run by double-clicking. Then you shouldn’t need to open the Terminal anymore.

The fact that you got it to run once proves it’s possible, congratulations!

Nathan

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On Apr 3, 2025, at 7:48 PM, 'Bill Hackney' via Microsoft Money <microso...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Nathan

Firstly, great work in getting the MacOS edition to this stage.

So, I downloaded the Installer to my 2017 MacBook Air (1.8 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5, 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, 128 GB SSD) running Monterey.  I initially tried running it under a non-admin user.  I then got a "The "python.3" command requires the command line developer tools. Would you like to install the tools now?" message.  I hit install, and it then told me I needed 20Gb of disk space for that, and I only had 15Gb spare, so I then proceeded to clear some disk space, and then had another go.  At the end of the install of the developer tools, that install appeared to fall over.  Looking at the disk space it doesn't appear to have used 20Gb, and I can't see that the developer tools have installed (where should look?).  I guess that the developer tools are a prerequisite?  They don't appear to be referred to in README.txt

I then switched to an admin user.  Running Install.sh took about 2 hrs 40 mins, but that might have been influenced by the fact that the MacBook was running on wifi and attempted a couple of Time Machine backups during the process, which normally slows the MacBook and my network down a bit (the TM is on a NAS), and which I cancelled when I saw they were happening.  On three occasions I was asked for my sudo password, and I also got a "Do you want the application "openssl" to accept incoming network connections?" message, which I Allowed.

After it appeared to download Money2005-UK-QFE.exe, Install.sh fell over, with the the following:

./Install.sh: line 360: /opt/homebrew/bin/gdown: No such file or directory

and then went back to the command prompt.  That threw me because, as I say, it appeared to be downloading Money2005-UK-QFE.exe, in the same way as it had downloaded all of the other software ("No installer found. Downloading Money2005-UK-QFE2.exe...")

That prompted me to go back to README.txt and I then saw that I needed to place a copy of Money2005-UK-QFE.exe into the moneyinstall folder myself.  Which I then did, and then re-ran Install.sh, which took less than five minutes and successfully installed Money, which I've now used to open sample.mny.  I'll try it with my Money file later.

You'll see that the righthand side of the Account screen is slight truncated, with no horizontal scroll bar.

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[N G]

Latest Quick Start Guide:

Supported versions of MacOS:
Tested as far back as Big Sur through Sequoia

Supported versions of Money:
US Sunset Deluxe, US Sunset Home and Business, UK 2005, FR 2005, International English 2005


INSTALLATION

1. Download the latest msmoneysetup.zip from https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QerT2ylQzDK4an76atBpcdivF9Hy-nIa?usp=drive_link    (msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_date.zip)

2. In your Downloads folder, double-click to extract the zip file.

3. Move the msmoneysetup folder to your home folder.

4. If you use MSMoneyQuotes, place it and symbolmap.csv in the msmoneyquotes folder.

5. Open a terminal window and type or copy and paste the following line into the terminal:

cd ~/msmoneysetup && ./Install.sh


(make an app bundle for the Installer)

Note: Most of the Install should be automatic and only take a few minutes.

6. Type in your password, follow the prompts, and select your version of Money when prompted.

7. Don't change anything when the Money installation program runs, just accept the defaults.

Note: If you cancel the installation, the script will stop. To retry, simply run Install.sh again. (Or double-click Install.app)

8. When Money runs the first time, DON'T CLICK Next! Instead, click File -> Open, and select your mny file. If your mny file is older than the version of Money, after clicking File -> Open, Money will prompt you to convert/upgrade your mny file. Click Next and Finish to complete this process.

Note: It's highly discouraged to keep your mny or mbf data files inside of msmoneyprefix. If you rerun Install.sh the prefix WILL be deleted. Your data files should be backed up to mnybackups.

9. Close Money by clicking File, Close.

Note: When closing Microsoft Money, it is advisable to first navigate to the Home or Banking pages before exiting. Closing Money directly without this step can cause Wine to hang, leaving the application stuck; clicking Home or Banking first has been a reliable workaround.

If this issue does occur, you can resolve it by pressing Ctrl+C in the terminal or running MSMoney from the Start menu again. Please note that this issue is still under testing and this workaround might not be necessary in the future.

Also, always close Money properly. Don't close the terminal window when Money is running.

10. The install is complete. To run Money, click MSMoney in the start menu. Depending on your desktop enviroment, it might be in Finance or Other.

This time it will call MSMoneyQuotes as well (if you use it) and it will take a few moments to go out to the MSN server.


UNINSTALL

1. Ensure MSMoney isn't running.

2. In a terminal, type:

cd ~/msmoneysetup

./Uninstall.sh

Note: This will uninstall all software that was downloaded during installation and delete msmoneyprefix. If you run Install.sh, it will take time as everything will be downloaded and installed again.

[N G]

Hi everyone,

When running Install.sh I had assumed that people with Macs would either be the only user of the computer or that their account would be an admin account. This allows sudo access which is required for brew (which installs wine and all the other prerequisites).  

Suggestions:

1. Make your account an admin account ;)

2. Temporarily make your account an admin account, run Install.sh and get Money installed, then put it back to a regular user.

As Bill noted previously, on his 2017 Intel Mac it took nearly 3 hours which coincides with my experience on a 2013 Intel Mac. It's probably fair to say that if you have an Intel Mac, expect the installation process to take hours. I don't think this is entirely a function of how fast your Internet is but more of compute power for compiling the software. When I first got my M1 Mac in 2021 I was amazed at how fast and optimized it was and this is another example; it takes about 15-20 minutes. I mention this for expectations. It doesn't mean anything is wrong that it takes that long, and Money will run just fine once the installation is complete.

I will add a note about admin accounts and installation time to the Quick Start Guide.

Nathan

[N G]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ruy4QqWD5Vj5_uwNHifFdYVb3x8rew22/view?usp=drive_link

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_04Apr2025.zip

Thanks to Bill for his Install log, this Install.sh detects whether the Mac is Intel or Apple Silicon which affects the location where wine is installed, and whether the default shell is zsh or bash. These problems affected automatically downloading the Money installer, I hope I got it.

I've updated the Quick Start Guide as well as the FullGuide (attached).  Hopefully things go smoother than last time. Remember that your account needs to be an admin account, at least for the installation. I'm very interested to hear how it goes!

Nathan

[N G]

Found a problem with msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_04Apr2025.zip , stand by for a new one.

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_04Apr2025.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HE5pYitZ5VuC-H1wXA4itvDHahwpNnF_/view?usp=share_link

Here's the latest. Pruned out some items that were not required relating to the default shell, and added more detection code to make sure what we're running on. There are some steps to take in MacOS Settings (the gear icon) related to allowing MSMoney to run, see Step 10 in the Quick Start Guide.

That's a wrap for me today!

Nathan 

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_07Apr2025.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18q_DJsYa2TbSg4w8mYfOA2dtTRQSKFAW/view?usp=sharing

Hi everyone,

This version uses macports instead of home brew to download wine and all the dependencies. Home Brew just seemed like there were issues too often, and it would put files in different places depending on Intel or Apple Silicon; too many moving pieces. Now, there is an additional installation script (it detects which MacOS, which platform, which is the latest MacPorts package, and downloads/installs them) in the new macports folder and I decided to keep that code separate from the main Install.sh script. This file isn't run directly, you still only need to run Install.sh. I'm hoping this will be quicker than the 3 hours it takes on the Intel Macs. It should be more reliable to install since everything goes into /opt/local/bin whether it's an Intel or AppleSilicon. It also seems like there's less compiling and more downloading compiled packages than with Home Brew. 

One more step in the guide: after Money runs the first time and it's closed, check the terminal for one more password entry. This moves MSMoney.app to Applications. It's easy to think the installation is finished once you close Money the first time.

Nathan

On Monday, April 7, 2025 at 10:37:23 PM UTC+9 N G wrote:

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_07Apr2025.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ctSz4l8EnrJJSY1EkdK9IAzBCs7RrauF/view?usp=share_link

Hi everyone,

This version uses macports instead of home brew to download wine and all the dependencies. Home Brew just seemed like there were issues too often, and it would put files in different places depending on Intel or Apple Silicon; too many moving pieces. Now, there is an additional installation script (it detects which MacOS, which platform, which is the latest MacPorts package, and downloads/installs them) in the new macports folder and I decided to keep that code separate from the main Install.sh script. This file isn't run directly, you still only need to run Install.sh. I'm hoping this will be quicker than the 3 hours it takes on the Intel Macs. It should be more reliable to install since everything goes into /opt/local/bin whether it's an Intel or AppleSilicon. It also seems like there's less compiling and more downloading compiled packages than with Home Brew. 

One more step in the guide: after Money runs the first time and it's closed, check the terminal for one more password entry. This moves MSMoney.app to Applications. It's easy to think the installation is finished once you close Money the first time.

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_10Apr2025.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DLQvT9ITmKAUP0FEF9y0qJ887KpFP8v0/view?usp=drive_link

Hi everyone,

This is the latest version of the MacOS installer using MacPorts. More attention was put towards ensuring xcode and Macports install properly depending on Intel vs Apple Silicon, code streamlining (it installs in about 30 minutes on my Mac Mini) and fewer requests for password entries.

Let me know if anyone runs into any issues.

Nathan

[N G]

My friend with the 2013 MacbookPro ran the April10 installer in less than an hour. Definitely an improvement! I'll be posting another zip file soon with a cleaner Install.sh and an Uninstall.sh that asks if xcode should be deleted or not. In the meantime, here are the guides for MacOS.

@Ameridan, this QuickStartGuide could be good for a MacOS article if you'd like.

Nathan

[Dan Adkins]

I was able to update your article with both of your Quick Start Guides.  Well done!

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[-Kevin N]

Hi Nathan,

Linux Mint > Start menu > Search for MSM > MSMoney located > tap ENTER = MS Money starts as expected.

-Kevin N.

[N G]

OK! Maybe I'll just drop the whole directory bit, let it fall into "Other" and let the user type it.

The menu categories are nice if you new to Linux and don't know what programs are on your system or what they're called.

Thanks Kevin.

Nathan

[-Kevin N]

Hi Nathan,

Looks like I got 'my' wires crossed and posted to the Mac thread. :)

Anyway, using 'Other' sounds good.  

-Kevin N.

[N G]

Kevin,

Super easy to do, I know it! :)

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_16Apr2025.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N6IIbZZBmxKrLjR2db1bWqRqwnfDWcsz/view?usp=drive_link

New version: 

Only needs sudo password once. Kick it off and come back 30-45 minutes later (Apple Silicon - Intel) to select Money version and complete the install.

Install.app, Uninstall.app, and MSMoney.app are all clickable now, no more opening the terminal first. (The app part of the filename might be hidden.) Install.app is in msmoneysetup, Uninstall.app is in the uninstall folder, and MSMoney.app gets copied to Applications. Double-click Install.app / Uninstall.app and a terminal will open, prompting for your password.

When running MSMoney.app from Applications a console window will open for msmoneyquotes if you use it and that's it. When MSmoney closes the Money icon on the dock should close.

Latest fixes on the Linux side are incorporated here as well.

Let me know how it works out!

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_16Apr2025.1.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1noMhAMxYMs-uglWCwIxFywPIZBepviRo/view?usp=drive_link

Thanks to Bill Hackney for helping to test this. This is a minor fix to the xcode download part of the script; the script would continue to run while xcode is downloading and ultimately fail.

Hopefully this gets us most of the way to an RC release.

Nathan

[N G]

msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_18Apr2025.zip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X_JeZSoK0VJVudLyreIHUbaHpG_fVdoZ/view?usp=drive_link

One more stab at trying to get the xcode download part fixed. The goal is that the script downloads xcode CLI quietly without prompting the user but waits until xcode is installed before continuing.

It should take even less time for an Intel Mac now since it doesn't seem that samba4 (winbind) is required; it's already provided by MacOS. Should be about 45 minutes.

Nathan

[Bill Hackney]

Hi Nathan

Just wanted to say thank you for all of your efforts to get Money working on MacOS, using Wine.  It installs on my Intel Mac in around 43 minutes.

For the benefit of others, I just wanted to explain my rationale for wanting to run Money on Mac, but without having to use Boot Camp.  Like others, I first started using Windows in the early 1990s, discovered Money, and have remained loyal to Money as I think it's just a best-in-class solution, particularly for someone who doesn't want to put their financial life in the cloud.

About 15 years ago I stated to explore Macs.  When Microsoft appeared to be losing their way with Windows (Windows 8!), having optionality with MacOS made sense.  And, notwithstanding the increased cost, the concept of a single manufacturer producing (controlling) both the hardware and the OS seemed to make sense, particularly given the vulnerabilities that Windows was seeing.  But I was locked into the world of Windows in order to continue to run Money.  If you've got an existing Windows PC, it doesn't seem particularly smart to buy an additional Windows licence to put it on a Mac using Boot Camp,

So, I have a MacBook because I think they are good laptop devices, and accepted that I would only run Money on my home Windows PC.  But now the ability to run Windows on the MacBook - for zero additional cost, and with minimal complexity - means that I can take Money on the road with me.  Moreover, if I don't want to have to remain on the Windows PC upgrade path (say, having to replace a Windows 10 PC with a Windows 11 PC, because the Windows 10 PC doesn’t have a TPM 2.0 chip) I have some certainty that I can continue to run Money in a supported environment, without having to continue to run an old PC/unsupported operating system, just to run Money.

Thank you again.

Bill

[N G]

Thanks for the feedback Bill, much appreciated!

Bill and I were discussing how to get better visibility for running MS Money on Linux and MacOS, possibly even attracting newcomers as well as former users. We had the idea that if we were to compile people's reasons for running Money, even now after MS sunsetted Money nearly 20 years ago, that maybe that would be a better "landing article" for Ameridan's website. I've seen many posts on the Bogleheads Forum about people wishing they still had MS Money but under the impression that it's gone forever. If we had an article displaying the enthusiasm we all share for Money in conjunction with the Quick Guide article, I would definitely point them to that article and maybe we could recover some lost souls.

If anyone wants to write a few lines in support of this idea it would be most welcome and appreciated. It doesn't matter what operating system you use; the key is that Money is still alive and well, whether it's on Windows, MacOS, or Linux.

Thanks,
Nathan

[-Kevin N]

Hi Nathan,

My brief MS Money testimonial...

I was weaned on Windows 95.  
It came bundled with a lite-version of Quicken. It was my introduction to PFM software.  
The main problem that I had with Quicken-lite was that it was putridly ugly with a glaring yellow color theme; I couldn't stand looking at it.
Enter Microsoft Money 1997.  I was immediately hooked.  The appearance was appealing, the registers familiar, the reporting, useful and customizable.  As I aged and entered the world of investing, MS Money was right there to help with tracking my securities and price quotes (Yodlee).
I continued to purchase each iteration of MS Money through the years culminating with Money 2007.  
I'm currently using MS Money Plus Deluxe Sunset on Windows 11 and thanks to Nathan, on Linux Mint as well.  

Pocketsense provides OFX transactional data and price quotes.

-Kevin N.

[Alan Oberlander]

Hi,

I'm another long-time MS Money user, since 1991, in fact. Lately I've been running it in a Virtualbox VM on an Intel MacBook, but I have recently updated to an M2 MacBook Air, so I was very grateful to find this group, and all the resources you have assembled to run Money on MacOS.

I've successfully installed Money using the excellent installer and guide.  However I do have one issue with it:
Money starts up and functions correctly, including import of OFX statement files. However it hangs on the 'Change Transaction Match' page, after the 'Change' button is clicked on a downloaded transaction in an account register. It is then necessary to Force-Quit Money.

System: Macbook Air, M2, 16Gb. MacOS Sequoia 15.5. Rosetta 2.
Installed: msmoneysetup_MacOS_FullInstall_18Apr2025.zip
Money version selected: Money2005-UK-QFE2.exe
Install completed successfully

I've searched but couldn't find any references to similar issues, so I'm guessing this works for most people. Hopefully it's something simple that I've missed, but at the moment I'm out of ideas. Any suggestions?

Thanks and regards,

Alan

[N G]

Hi Alan, and welcome!

Thanks for the log file, unfortunately there isn't anything that stands out.

Just for my information, are you using msmoneyquotes? pocketsense?

My initial guess is the native comctl32.dll that I install to fix the account list subtotals might have something to do with it.

How comfortable with the terminal are you? As we troubleshoot we can try running winecfg.sh in the extras folder to make changes.

Doing a reinstall shouldn't take long since you have an M-series Mac so that's probably easier.

How about this:

Go into the msmoneysetup/registry/defaults folder and open the ie7dlls.reg file with Textedit.

Find the following:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\AppDefaults\msmoney.exe\DllOverrides]
"*iertutil"="native"
"*comctl32"="native"

and change it to

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\AppDefaults\msmoney.exe\DllOverrides]
"*iertutil"="native"
"*comctl32"="native,builtin"

Then double-click on the Install program again to reinstall MSMoney.

What this will do is tells msmoney.exe to use the comctl32.dll that comes with wine instead of the real one from Windows XP. This should be more compatible.

Hopefully Money won't crash, but the Account List page subtotals will be offset to the right.

Let me know how it goes and we'll work through it.
Nathan

[Alan Oberlander]

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for your prompt response, and I apologise for taking so long to reply - sometimes it's hard to find the time!

For the record, no, I am not using msmoneyquotes or pocketsense. I'm only really using the basic accounting features of Money. I know I could probably switch to other software, but Money is just so convenient now that I have it set up to suit my purposes. Plus, I would bet that exporting and importing years of transactions would be a significant task in itself. So I'm keen to persevere with getting this working!

I have a fair bit of experience with unix admin, and although I can't claim to be completely current, especially with some of the newer concepts, I'm quite comfortable with the terminal.

Anyway, I followed your instructions, and on the first attempt it seemed that nothing had changed (The subtotals on the Account List page were still visible, and the crash still occurred). I took a guess, and tried changing the relevant line to:

"*comctl32"="builtin"

Now the subtotals are displaced to the right, beyond the edge of the window, and are no longer visible. That suggests it's now using the builtin comctl32.dll. But I'm sorry to say that the crash still occurs :-(

Regards,

Alan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hello,

First of all, a huge thanks to Nathan for all sharing with hard work and knowledge with all of us. 

I have been using MS Money since 2002, first on a Windows PC and then on a MacBook with VirtualBox Windows 10. It has been a little cumbersome, but it has worked, and in any case, I do not know how I would manage without MS Money after all these years. I have been following this thread for some time, generally thinking that perhaps I wasn't experienced, or knowledgeable enough to implement your installation, but I have just bought a new MacBook Air M4 and I thought perhaps it was time to give it a try.

I must say I am terrified of doing something wrong a becoming unable to use the software, so I wonder if I could trouble you to answer a couple of very basic questions from someone who does not know very much. I have downloaded the installer and was getting ready to follow Nathan's Microsoft Money Full Guide (MacOS), but before I make any mistakes, I thought I would ask:

1. I would like to install Money on two different MacBooks a Macbook Pro 2016 running MacOS Monterey, and a MacBook Air M4 running Sequoia - will this installation work on both of these? I believe I am using Money 2005 UK.

2. If I succeed, will I be able to use and update my accounts (files) on both Macbooks?

3. When you say on 1.3 of your Full Guide "Move the msmoneysetup folder to your home folder, which "home folder" are you referring to?

Thank you so much for your help,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Alan,

OK, bummer that didn't work.

Can you open Terminal, cd to your msmoneysetup folder, and cd into extras. Run the winecfg script with:

./winecfg.sh

and you should get a window like this:

With msmoney.exe highlighted, click on the Libraries tab. It should look like this.

Let me know what the *comctl32 line says for you. Is it (builtin) ? Or (native)? Either way click on *comctl32, then click the remove button. It should look like this after:

Click Apply, and OK. Once winecfg closes, try to run Money again. Let me know how it goes. It's pretty important to get this working, matching up transactions is a feature I use all the time and it would be terrible if it didn't work. I'll work on co-opting the sample mny file with a temp bank account, and try to import/match transactions to replicate what you're seeing in UK Money. 

Hang in there Alan, we'll figure it out.

Nathan

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

Replies/answers are inline below:

I have been using MS Money since 2002, first on a Windows PC and then on a MacBook with VirtualBox Windows 10. It has been a little cumbersome, but it has worked, and in any case, I do not know how I would manage without MS Money after all these years. I have been following this thread for some time, generally thinking that perhaps I wasn't experienced, or knowledgeable enough to implement your installation, but I have just bought a new MacBook Air M4 and I thought perhaps it was time to give it a try.

Great! I've worked pretty hard to remove the technical hurdles as much as possible, but the more people who try this, the better it will become.

 

I must say I am terrified of doing something wrong a becoming unable to use the software, so I wonder if I could trouble you to answer a couple of very basic questions from someone who does not know very much. I have downloaded the installer and was getting ready to follow Nathan's Microsoft Money Full Guide (MacOS), but before I make any mistakes, I thought I would ask:

1. I would like to install Money on two different MacBooks a Macbook Pro 2016 running MacOS Monterey, and a MacBook Air M4 running Sequoia - will this installation work on both of these? I believe I am using Money 2005 UK.

Absolutely, it will work with both. The Install program will recognize what kind of Mac it's running on (Intel or Apple Silicon) and it installs what it needs as appropriate.

 

2. If I succeed, will I be able to use and update my accounts (files) on both Macbooks?

Yes, with caveats. You'll need to manage how the two computers access your money data file. If you get Money installed on both, and you copy your money data file to both, the two data files will probably diverge. In other words, you'll have two different versions. There have been many discussions on this group on how to do this, I'm sure Cal and others can provide ways to do this. Backups are important as well. As for me, I have a NAS (it's like a hard drive plugged into my network) and my data file lives there. I just make sure I don't leave Money open on one computer and try to open it on another.

 

3. When you say on 1.3 of your Full Guide "Move the msmoneysetup folder to your home folder, which "home folder" are you referring to?

When you open Finder on your Mac, it might open to your home folder. Your Documents, Downloads, Movies, Music.... all are in your home folder. See this image:

If you drop msmoneysetup here, that's good. I found this picture online, so someone named "Anthony" created this image. It should have your username instead. Hope this makes sense.

Let me know if you have any other questions or problems.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hello again Nathan,

I'm afraid I haven't got very far and I apologise for my ignorance.

I followed Step 1 and then tried to follow Step 2. I have attached a screenshot of what I get and I do not seem to be able to progress from there. It is probably something really simple, but I may need a Step 2 for Dummies. Any suggestions?

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Alan Oberlander]

Hi Nathan,

Ok, thanks for your ongoing assistance and advice! Firstly I found that winecfg.sh seemed to be accessing the wrong prefix directory - it contains the line

export WINEPREFIX=~/msmoneyprefix

which I changed to 

export WINEPREFIX=~/.msmoneyprefix

Then winecfg works as expected. (I guess the prefix directory name has been changed to make it hidden, maybe this winecfg.sh is an old version?)

Anyway, the entry in 'Existing overrides' for comctl32 was

*comctl32 (builtin)

I removed that entry, and ran Money. This time the subtotals on the Account List were correctly located, and unfortunately 'change transaction match' still hangs.

I thought it might be possible to see which comctl32.dll msmoney.exe was using, with

$ lsof -p `pgrep msmoney.exe` | grep comctl32.dll

msmoney.e 79721 alan txt  REG   1,14   1054208  6228696 /Users/alan/.msmoneyprefix/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Money 2005/MNYCoreFiles/comctl32.dll

I re-instated the above (builtin) override in winecfg and re-ran Money. This time I see 

$ lsof -p `pgrep msmoney.exe` | grep comctl32.dll

msmoney.e 80408 alan  txt  REG  1,14   5341980  5776234 /opt/local/lib/wine/i386-windows/comctl32.dll

and the subtotals are displaced to the right. So I think that shows that it's now using the builtin comctl32.dll. But I'm afraid 'change transaction match' still hangs. I've also found that 'Balance this account' hangs when you click the "Next" button in the window that pops up. (So far this always happens, same as the 'change transaction match' hang)

So I'm wondering what else I could try? Maybe the fact that I'm running the 2005 UK version of Money is a factor?

Regards, Alan

[N G]

Hi Alan,

Super helpful troubleshooting, thanks! Also, thanks for pointing out my miss in the winecfg script for MacOS. The Linux side has been through a lot more refinement, and we are just starting the process now with the MacOS version. 

I want to start a new thread for our troubleshooting, I changed the subject of this reply to see if that will work but if not I'll create a new topic.

Some background on comctl32 and some details as I currently understand:

- Money US versions are version 17, international versions are 14.

- I need to install comctl32 via winetricks to even install international versions of Money, but not for the US versions. This means something in the international installer doesn't like the wine builtin version.

- Once the international version is installed (after installing the winetricks version of comctl32) it appears to work properly.

- I installed a newer version of comctl32 into the Program FIles/Microsoft Money folder since that fixes problems in the US version. (Subtotals)

- By setting comctl32 to *comctl32 (native) in winecfg, that tells wine to use comctl32 WHEREVER it is found but in specific locations. I put the newest one in Program Files/Microsoft Money, and it tries to use it as you've found with pgrep. Winetricks installs an older version in the Windows system directories, and that's what we need to test next.

So here's what I propose:

Let's delete the comctl32.dll from the Program FIles/Microsoft Money folder. Leave the winecfg *comctl32 setting as (native) for msmoney.exe. If you click on Default Settings in the Applications tab, click on Libraries, comctl32 should read as *comctl32 (native,builtin). This should force Money to use the winetricks version of comctl32. 

I'll test on my machines as well. I need to determine if this is a MacOS specific issue, or if it happens in Linux as well with the UK version.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Nathan

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

I didn't receive a screenshot, but I'm wondering what instructions you're using. If you look in the msmoneysetup folder, and then in the Guides folder you'll find a QuickStartGuide.txt. Please use this.

So after you copy the msmoneysetup folder to your home folder, go inside msmoneysetup and doubleclick Install. It will have a MS Money icon. 

Try this and let me know how it goes.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

I am so sorry. Here it is (I hope).

I think I did. exactly as you suggest and I got what you see on the screenshot. I tried typing my password there, but I cannot type on that dialogue box.

Thank you for your help,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

I still don't see any attachments. Are you clicking the paperclip below next to the Post Message button? 

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

I don't understand why, Nathan. I have clicked the paperclip on both occasions. Will try again. Really sorry.

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

Good news! I got your screenshots!

I should have realized this but as I get older I can only keep so much in my brain.. lol

Anyway, on Macs, you won't see any characters when you type the password. Go ahead and type it in and press Return. The script should proceed after that.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Thank you so much Nathan - That worked! Now it is asking me which version of Microsoft Money I want to install. The one I have been using is 14.0.120.1105 2004 from UK. Should I choose UK Deluxe, or International English Deluxe for my file to work?

Thank you,

Chiti

[N G]

I believe you should use option 3, UK Deluxe. I just called it UK Deluxe when I was creating the labels. I think that's the same version you're using.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Thank you Nathan. I did that and after completing the installation, I get the message in the screenshot attached. I wonder whether I've done. something wrong.

Thanks,

Chiti

[N G]

Well, we're making progress.

Can you attach the files in the msmoneysetup/logs folder please? 

After the installation finished, were you able to select your mny file? Or did this happen before you selected your mny file?

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Thank you Nathan. Msmoneysetup/logs folder attached.

It happened before I was able to select my mny file.

Thanks,

Chiti

[N G]

Thanks Chiti,

It looks like the server that was hosting internet explorer 7 installer file has been moved/died,  I'll get this fixed soon. 

It's 10PM local for me so this will probably be tomorrow at the earliest.

Hang in there Chiti, you almost made it!

Nathan

[N G]

Chiti,

It looks like archive.org is down:

https://archive.org/

and this is the file:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200617171343/https://download.microsoft.com/download/3/8/8/38889DC1-848C-4BF2-8335-86C573AD86D9/IE7-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe

When this website comes back up, try installing Money again. Periodically see if the archive.org webpage loads. Tomorrow I'll try to host the ie7 installer on my google drive if archive.org is still down, but google may block me from doing so. 

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

I am not sure I understand, but I'll try anyway.  Should I uninstall the Money programme that I installed earlier today?.

Thanks again,

Chiti

PS Incidentally, did you receive my reply to your previous message? It seems to have disappeared from the tread.

[Nathan Giard]

Hi Chiti,

It looks like archive.org is up again. You don’t need to uninstall anything, just double-click Install again. It will remove the old installation attempt and install it again, although much faster this time. 

Nathan 

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[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

I am on archive.org. I have copied and pasted the file name from your message onto the search box and selected "Search Archive Websites". I am then taken to another screen that gives me a long menu of Collection Search options - the first one is "Main", but nothing happens when I select it. I have have tried several other collection options from the drop down menu, but no luck either.

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hello again Nathan,

I managed to get a little further with archive.org and I have attched a screenshot of what I get.I assume  I now need to select one of those files to download, but I don't know which. 

Thanks again,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

You don't need to do anything with archive org, I mentioned it because the Install program wouldn't work until archive.org came back up.

So all you need to do now is double-click on Install again. It should run all the way through now.

Unfortunately I've been troubleshooting the problem that Alan found and I'm having trouble. So if you need to "balance your accounts" in Money, Money might hang. But go ahead and make sure Install runs all the way through.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Sorry for the earlier misunderstanding. I have followed your instructions an reinstalled MS Money. Unfortunately, I get exactly the same error screen as before, when I attempt to click on File to open my Money file. I am attaching the log files again for your information.

Thank you,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

No worries, thanks for the log files. It looks like maybe the ie7 installer downloaded before but is corrupted. Can you go into the winetricks folder and delete the ie7-x86.exe file and try double-clicking on Install again? Fingers crossed!

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

I think it's worked. Thank you so much. 

Just a couple of hickups though:

1. I had created a new folder inside Documents called Money Tests and I have been able to open the file from there, however, when I close the file and the programme tries to backup the file, it is unable to do so and does not recognise either the new name and address in my new Money Tests folder, or the original backup location in my file, as this doesn't exist in the new setup.

2. Step 4.3 has not been completed for some reason and as far as I am aware, I have not been given the option to enter my password for the MSMoney shortcut to be installed into my Applications.

I am happy to send the logs again if you think they might help.

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

I have been trying to experiment, but I am unable to open the file again and I get the message in the screenshot attached below. If I don't enter what Money considers to be a "valid name", the programme shuts up.

Thank you,

Chiti

[Rakesh Shah]

Group, 

Apologies for what is likely a repeated question. My search in this thread didn't quickly find a response.

Looking at the readme, I see "US Sunset Deluxe" is covered. I'm running "Microsoft Money Plus Deluxe" (v17.0.120.3817). Is that the same or compatible? If not, should I install US Sunset Deluxe to test out a back up money file before attempting this? 

 - Thanks in advance (and incredible work for this community),

 - Rakesh

[Ameridan (microsoftmoneyoffline.wordpress.com)]

3817 is Sunset, so you're good.

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

Yeah, go ahead and send the log files again. They give me some insight as to what's happening.

As for the screen shot, (in wine) C: means inside the simulated Windows, or what it called the prefix. Your mny file should be saved in a place that starts with a z:\, so you'll need to browse when Money is running to the Z drive to save your backup to your Money Tests folder in Documents. I think you're seeing that path for the backup because that is what worked the last time you ran it in Windows. 

When you click Applications on your dock, is MSMoney in there? If it's there, does Money try to run if you click it? Just confirming, the wine-money.error.log looks like it's working for you.

Thanks for working through this, helping me with this will make it easier for others in the future.

Nathan

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

I think the reason Install didn't prompt for a password is because I used to used a Mac binary/executable and due to security you had to explicity allow it. I'm not doing that anymore, the MSMoney "application" is just a pointer to the MSMoney.sh script in msmoneysetup/desktop. I need to update the guide and remove the part about the password.

At the time that I was doing most of the work I was working simultaneously on both the Linux and Mac versions. I think most of my goofs on the Linux side have been found, I appreciate you for pointing out whatever goofs/misses you find on the Mac side. 

Functionally you will probably bump into the problem I'm working on that Alan found with the matching imported transactions / balancing accounts. I'm having a hard time to make headway on this but I'm not giving up. 

Thanks,

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for your message and for all your efforts to get MS Money working properly for all of us. 

At the moment, my greatest problem is that Money won't open my files (either *mny, or *mbf) as it does not seem to recognise the names, as you saw in my last screenshot. I have tried to click on the file name inside the directory folder to open it, but the files do not seem to be associated with the programme either. I was only able to open the file on completion of the installation.

Having said all that, I will let you get on with resolving the problem Alan found, which will no doubt benefit the rest of us, Mac users, in due course. Once that's done, perhaps you can look into my file association problem, so that I can finally see how the programme works in my environment. I will continue experimenting in the meantime just in case. 

Thank you so much for your time and your hard work, without which MS Money for Mac would not have been possible.

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

I haven’t forgotten about you. I’m not sure working to get Money working on your Mac right now will be worth the trouble in light of the Balance Account / Match Transactions issue. 

If you want to keep trying I’m happy to help. Let me know if you do.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for youf messages. Sorry I have not been able to reply - I have been away. for a few days.

Yes, I would like to have another go and see what happens, thank you for your offer to help. I will try again over the next couple of days and let you know how I get on.

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

I have tried once more to open my money file, but MS Money does not seem to be able to access my folders and I do not have any idea how to find the. file from MSMoney, as all the folders listed seem to be empty.

Yes, the MSMoney programme icon is indeed available in my applications folder, and it works when I click on it, but I can't get any further. than that.

Let me know if you would like me to send you my log files, or perhaps we should wait a little longer to see whether you can make some more progress with the Mac version.

Thank you for your ongoing support,

Chiti 

[Cal Learner]

Chiti:  You might try searching for .mny and .mbf files. The .mny files are your main Money files, and the .mbf are Money Backup Files.

https://www.theverge.com/24126104/macos-apple-file-find-how-to talks of methods on a Mac.

In Mac, you don't write *.mny because reportably you could actually have a file named my_North*.mny.

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Cal,

Yes, the files are there and I can see them in Finder, however, if I try to access them from my newly installed version of MSMoney for Mac, they are nowhere to be found. They only seem to be accessible the first time you open MSMoney. after installation.

The drop-down menu of file types to open in MSMoney does not five me the option to type in the file extension myself - all the possible file types listed start with *.

Thank you,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

I think it's a Mac permission thing. Let's try a couple of things. 

First, let's see if you can open the sample.mny file.

Open Money. Then click File, Open. It should look like this:

Click the button with the up-arrow to the right of the Documents drop-down about three times. Then it should look like this:

Double-click into Program Files (x86), then into Microsoft Money 2005, and you should see sample.mny. Let's see if that opens.

Next, I'm thinking it's a Mac filesystem permissions problem for your files.

When I want to open my mny file outside of where Money is installed, I do like we just did (File, Open). This time, I click the Up-Arrow until I get to the C: and Z: drives. Remember that this isn't actually Windows. The C: drive points inside the folder where we installed MSMoney, and the Z: points to everything else on your Mac. Let's double-click into the Z: drive.

You'll see something like this:

Double-click into Users, your home folder, Documents, and the folder where you are keeping your mny files. You should see a popup that looks like this. You have to allow MSMoney permission to access these locations. If you don't get a pop-up, keep reading.

One more check in case this doesn't pop up. Go into Settings, and click on Privacy and Security.

Look into both Files & Folders as well as Full Disk Access. Make sure MSMoney and wine has access to where you want it have access. 

In this case I need to enable MSMoney. Then it should look like this:

Notice how wine has permissions turned on. I hope this helps get you closer. See how it goes and let us know what you find.

Good luck!

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Yes, I have been able to open the sample file following your instructions. My files and folders are still not visible, but when I go to Privacy & Security, Microsoft Money is not even on the list and neither is Wine, so I can't enable access to files, or to disk for either of them. 

Thanks again,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

OK, that's getting us closer. How about in this picture, see how there is a little + sign? Click on that, browse to Applications, and select MSMoney.

Once that happens maybe you will see MSMoney in the Files and Folders section as well, and you can grant access to your Documents.

I'm pretty sure you could run the Uninstall and Install again and that would probably fix it, but I know it will take another hour. Hopefully this will get you what you need.

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for getting back to me. I managed to add MSMoney to the list and give it access to the full disk and to files and folders, but my folders still appear to be empty. Wine is not on my list of applications, so I have not been able to add it to the list to give it access to files, folders and disk.

I have achieved something exciting though - I have managed to open my mny file from my folder by forcing it to use MSMoney as the application to open it with, however, when I close the file, I am asked to back it up and I get the error message I have attached below.

I think we are making progress one way or another.

Thank you for your patience,

Chiti 

[N G]

Hmmm, I wonder if maybe it's better to re-run Install again? 

You can try to just rerun Install and see what happens. It should be quick.

If nothing changes, go into the Uninstall folder and double-click on the Uninstall app; this should be quick too. Then double-click on Install when it finishes and let's see what happens.

It's pretty hard to guess why you're having that issue. It's a pretty good puzzle! lol

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hello again Nathan,

After reinstalling MSMoney and trying several things, I decided to uninstall and reinstall the. programme as you suggested. It now lets me open my own file from my Documents, but when I try to enter any information, the programme freezes and I can only exit it by force quitting.

I don't know whether that brings any closer to making sense of the problem. I have attached the log files just in case.

Thanks for your help,

Chiti

[N G]

Hi Chiti,

It’s what I was afraid of. If you look at the bottom of the wine-install or wine-money log files you’ll see some lines similar to this:

0128:fixme:shell:DllGetClassObject failed for CLSID={ff393560-c2a7-11cf-bff4-444553540000} (unknown)
0128:fixme:shell:DllGetClassObject failed for CLSID={ff393560-c2a7-11cf-bff4-444553540000} (unknown)
0128:fixme:shell:DllGetClassObject failed for CLSID={ff393560-c2a7-11cf-bff4-444553540000} (unknown)
0128:fixme:appbar:SHAppBarMessage unknown msg: 4
0074:fixme:appbar:handle_appbarmessage SHAppBarMessage(ABM_GETSTATE): stub
0174:fixme:ras:RasEnumEntriesW (00000000,(null),09756390,07BCFC14,01175CE4),stub!
01b8:fixme:ras:RasConnectionNotificationW (FFFFFFFF,0000028C,0x00000003),stub!
01a8:err:sync:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0031EC58 (null) wait timed out in thread 01a8, blocked by 0128, retrying (60 sec)

That very last line is the problem that Alan found with Money 2005. I have found that if I select Balance Account I can trigger the freeze. What’s happening is that process 01a8 is waiting for access to a resource that process 0128 has and won’t let go of. That’s what causes the freeze.

I’m thinking about filing a bug report against wine (since obviously Money runs correctly in Windows) but since we are a relatively small userbase I’m not sure how long it would take for someone to take a look, let alone fix it.

If you want to run another test, double-click on Install again but select option 1, US Deluxe this time. You won’t be able to open your mny file, but navigate to C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Money Plus/ and select sample.mny. It should open and it should work. From my testing all the 2005 versions of Money have this problem while the Sunset versions do not.

I wish I had a better answer,

Nathan

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Than you for your message. That is disappointing. 

I am reluctant to go through the whole palaver of installing VirtualBox on my new MacBook, but I need to find a way to use MSMoney on it. I have been searching online and I have come across something called Crossover, which you are probably familiar with. I would appreciate your comments. 

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Nathan Giard]

Hi Chiti,

I used to use crossover before I learned how to use wine directly.

Crossover is basically an older version of wine with a nice user-friendly interface on top.

What my installer does is accomplished more elegantly with Crossover. Actually, the Crossover developer (Codeweavers) contributes a lot of code and improvements back into wine. 

Unfortunately, the manual steps you need to take to support Microsoft Money in crossover is more difficult than the way I do it with my installer. For example , it will be very difficult to install IE7 because of Mac not supporting 32 bit bottles/prefixes. I looked into this back in February or so. 

You’re certainly welcome to try it, and it does have a free trial so you can take it for a spin. However, even if you can get MSMoney installed it will operate the same way, including the hangs. The problem is with the wine code underneath. 

It’s not a very good option, but if you were able to export your accounts and import into Money Sunset then you could continue to use Money with my installer. I would think that setting up a VM is probably easier. 

Sorry I don’t have a better answer. 

Nathan

On Jun 27, 2025, at 9:06 PM, Chiti Lloyd <chiti...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nathan,

[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for your continuing efforts to get MSMoney to work on MacOS. 

Having read your recent updates, it sounds as if it may be a while before you're able to complete your project, so I think I should probably consider an alternative option for my MacBook Air M4 in the meantime. I have done several searches online and if I have understood it correctly, it looks like the only option would be to buy Parallels for Mac and download Windows 11 ARM, but I wanted to check with you first that there would be no hiccups with this. As I have mentioned to you before, on my old MacBook, I have been using MS Money 14.0.120.1105 2004 (which I believe is the same as 2005 UK) on VirtualBox + Windows 10  Your comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Nathan Giard]

Hi Chiti,

At least in terms of any of the non-sunset versions of Money, I’m waiting for a miracle! I’m considering filing a bug report against Wine.

Yes, Money 2005 UK is version 14. The US Sunset versions are 17.

You could go with Parallels. It’s been quite some time since I ran Parallels so I don’t have any recent experience with it. I have used VirtualBox more frequently though since it is free to use. Maybe try that first? If I remember correctly Parallels lets you run just MSMoney in a way that makes it seem as if it’s integrated into MacOS? VirtualBox doesn’t work that way I don’t think. Totally up to you if you’re more comfortable with Parallels. 

I read that Apple will be phasing out Rosetta2 at some point in the near future so either Paralles or VirtualBox would need to be able to run natively on ARM (Apple Silicon) CPUs for performance to be good. I think once that’s confirmed you’re good to go.

I haven’t used Windows on my own computers since Windows 7. Not sure if the ARM version of Windows 11 is needed for the VM but sounds reasonable. 

Maybe others in the group are already doing something like this if they would like to share.

Hope this helps,

Nathan

On Jul 16, 2025, at 7:01 PM, Chiti Lloyd <chiti...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for your continuing efforts to get MSMoney to work on MacOS. 

Having read your recent updates, it sounds as if it may be a while before you're able to complete your project, so I think I should probably consider an alternative option for my MacBook Air M4 in the meantime. I have done several searches online and if I have understood it correctly, it looks like the only option would be to buy Parallels for Mac and download Windows 11 ARM, but I wanted to check with you first that there would be no hiccups with this. As I have mentioned to you before, on my old MacBook, I have been using MS Money 14.0.120.1105 2004 (which I believe is the same as 2005 UK) on VirtualBox + Windows 10  Your comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Chiti

On Friday, 27 June 2025 at 13:55:45 UTC+1 gia...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Chiti,

I used to use crossover before I learned how to use wine directly.

Crossover is basically an older version of wine with a nice user-friendly interface on top.

What my installer does is accomplished more elegantly with Crossover. Actually, the Crossover developer (Codeweavers) contributes a lot of code and improvements back into wine. 

Unfortunately, the manual steps you need to take to support Microsoft Money in crossover is more difficult than the way I do it with my installer. For example , it will be very difficult to install IE7 because of Mac not supporting 32 bit bottles/prefixes. I looked into this back in February or so. 

You’re certainly welcome to try it, and it does have a free trial so you can take it for a spin. However, even if you can get MSMoney installed it will operate the same way, including the hangs. The problem is with the wine code underneath. 

It’s not a very good option, but if you were able to export your accounts and import into Money Sunset then you could continue to use Money with my installer. I would think that setting up a VM is probably easier. 

Sorry I don’t have a better answer. 

Nathan

On Jun 27, 2025, at 9:06 PM, Chiti Lloyd <chiti...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nathan,

Than you for your message. That is disappointing. 

I am reluctant to go through the whole palaver of installing VirtualBox on my new MacBook, but I need to find a way to use MSMoney on it. I have been searching online and I have come across something called Crossover, which you are probably familiar with. I would appreciate your comments. 

Thanks again,

Chiti

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[Chiti Lloyd]

Hi Nathan,

Thank you for your prompt reply.

Unfortunately, I think VirtualBox does not work on Apple Silicon (M1-M4) Sequoia, so the only option seems to be Parallels. I assume Windows will be required to run MS Money, but yes, any comments from other members in the group would be helpful.

Thanks again,

Chiti

[Rakesh Shah]

I run VMware on my Mac Mini M2. For individual use it is free. I did have to use the ARM version. It has been stable. Other than being slow, it works. 

Regards,

Rakesh

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