License for User Groups to use the term MicroProfile in their name

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Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 10, 2019, 8:23:11 AM6/10/19
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I have enquired to license @ eclipse for there to be a 'User Groups' licence for user groups
to use the term "MicroProfile" in their name. Similar to what Gnome have:


I thought I should raise this with the community as a whole, here was the email I sent:



Hi,
I would like to help establish a user group for an Eclipse technology.

Is it OK if I use the terms like

"<Eclipse Technology> User Group"
or, for example
"London <Eclipse-Technology> User Group"
or
"Virtual <Eclipse-Technology" User Group"

I see at https://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php#General_Usage_of_Trademarks
that you would explicitly allow something like: "User Group for <Eclipse-Technology>".
but that reads a bit awkwardly.

What I am really seeking is...please could we have something similar to?
https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Resources/LicensingAgreement
which sets out gnome's clear terms for trademark use by user groups.

Gordon

PS

I have asked this question in a general way as I would like a general solution
ideally rather than specific case by case approval. However, you may be interested
that I am considering attempting to seed the establishment of a (perhaps number of)
"MicroProfile User Group(s)". There are other Eclipse MicroProfile 'community' initiatives
so this is just a potential enabler to further bottom-up initiatives.

PPS

I have also not asked this question in a form that states 'in my role working for
IBM which is an Eclipse member" as I would prefer for there to be a solution that
enables MicroProfile users in, for example any locality, to establish such a group
regardless of whom they work for.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Gordon

Andy Guibert

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Jun 10, 2019, 3:11:51 PM6/10/19
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I would also like to piggy-back on Gordon's question.

I would like to eventually name the "Testcontainers mp-jee-testing module" I am working on to something like the "Testcontainers MicroProfile module".  Is this OK to use?

Also, I would like to perhaps use "microprofile" in my package names, for example: org.testcontainers.microprofile.*

- Andy Guibert

Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 11, 2019, 7:02:39 AM6/11/19
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I got a very nice reply indicating that they were very happy for me to proceed but to be careful to respect their Brand Guidelines:

You have our permission as requested, e.g.  Virtual Vert.x User Group; however, we ask that you follow our Brand Guidelines [1] and ensure that “Eclipse” is a prominent part of how you describe Eclipse technology, if not in the name of the group elsewhere in the content describing the user group.

 [1] https://www.eclipse.org/legal/documents/eclipse_foundation_branding_guidelines.pdf


I am not sure how well this scales for them though - to other User Groups, so will follow up about

something like Gnome do where it is spelt out at a URL for MicroProfile Users at least.


Gordon.


Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 20, 2019, 8:37:49 AM6/20/19
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Hi Folks,

In a recent community hangout I mentioned that I would get back to
the Eclipse Foundation and request if we could have a generic bit of
text that we could put on a web-page that allowed user groups to use the
MicroProfile name in their own name. E.g.

The "Scottish MicroProfile User Group"

It was suggested that I might like to draft a suitable paragraph that
could be reviewed by our community first, then, once approved by
us we could suggest it to (i.e. ask permission of) the Eclipse Foundation
to post it.

Here is the text I propose.
As you can tell, I am not a lawyer, nor I have I tried to pretend that I am -
I have therefore tried to write it in plain English:

<start>

Use of the MicroProfile name and logo(s) as part of user group activities.

 

You are welcome to use the MicroProfile name and logo as part of a MicroProfile user group

name or in promotional activities for the group,

provided the activities of the group are focussed on the use and promotion

of MicroProfile technologies.


For example, "Virtual MicroProfile User Group", "Glasgow MicroProfile User Group" etc.


The MicroProfile name and logo(s) are the property of the Eclipse Foundation.

Please ensure that “Eclipse” is included in references to MicroProfile,

if not in the name of the user group, then elsewhere in the content describing the user group.

When referring to the Eclipse brand, please follow the Eclipse Foundation’s Brand Guildelines [1].

[1] https://www.eclipse.org/legal/documents/eclipse_foundation_branding_guidelines.pdf

<end>


More than happy to take any feedback.
My intention is to feed this back through the MicroProfile community hangout as
scheduled in
(next one is the 25th June, agenda at:

Gordon

Amelia Eiras

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Jun 20, 2019, 3:19:24 PM6/20/19
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Gordon, 

How about the copy/paste of the darft on the MP drive below to enable collaboation? Access is public to edit. Using "Suggestive mode" recomended. :) 

Lets add the topic via thread to the next Community call agenda to increase request awareness. :) 

Cheers, 

Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 22, 2019, 3:45:05 AM6/22/19
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Hi Amelia,

I have created a file as you suggest here:


I would like to add my name to the wait list for the first promotional coffee mug
that has a good humorous take on "MUG", as the acronym for
MicroProfile User Group.

(I would then give it to Graham Charters who had the idea that it would make a good pun.)

Gordon

Amelia Eiras

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Jun 22, 2019, 11:45:56 AM6/22/19
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Gordon, 

It is beyond amazing the idea of the [cityname] + MPJUG, lets see what other things. Thanks for enabling via suggestive mode for this group to provide feedback before next Community call. 

The coffee/tea/hotcocoa (yummm)  branding of what could be THE coolest future MP- MUG cup has layers of effective/practical & fun branding, I LOVE IT— smiling!  :) 



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Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 23, 2019, 10:48:01 AM6/23/19
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Hi Amelia,

Apologies if this appears contrary,
but I have written only "MUG" or "MicroProfile User Group".

I think this is catchier than MPJUG and is also
the natural term for a MicroProfile user group.

I thought about but did not use the term MP JUG or MicroProfile JUG or cityname MPJUG.

This is because I would envisage that it might be that something like a local MicroProfile User Group might
be organised within or as a interest group within a JUG, particularly to start with or now, in that case "MPJUG" is a bit
confusing perhaps as a subsection name?

One of the powers of the term "MUG" is that it is not IP or a brand that belongs to
or is associated with anything that belongs to anyone else but MicroProfile.
(Think Oracle could claim J'UG' as theirs)

MUG is also pithier?
Also MicroProfile only leaves 3 other letters in a twitter handle.

Of course a local user group would choose their own name but we could advocate
for a global MicroProfile User Group or a MicroProfile Virual User Group.

One thing that is missing is a sort of a 'fanzine' newsletter (cf https://debezium.io/blog/2019/06/05/debezium-newsletter-01-2019/ )
and a "MUGs Newsletter" could fit that bill nicely IMHO.

Gordon.


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Gordon, 

It is beyond amazing the idea of the [cityname] + MPJUG, lets see what other things. Thanks for enabling via suggestive mode for this group to provide feedback before next Community call. 

The coffee/tea/hotcocoa (yummm)  branding of what could be THE coolest future MP- MUG cup has layers of effective/practical & fun branding, I LOVE IT— smiling!  :) 


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Alasdair Nottingham

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Jun 23, 2019, 11:35:49 AM6/23/19
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One thing going for MUG is it more common to have a MUG of Java, than a JUG of Java. 

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Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 23, 2019, 11:40:46 AM6/23/19
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Not sure about how an 'official' MicroProfile newsletter could fit in with

I see also that that sometimes has MicroProfile material:

2) Perhaps it would be better as 'unofficial' or genuinely owned by users or a third party?

Of course there is https://microprofile.io/blog/ which is pretty good and close, but that appears to be mostly
a collection of 'how to' articles?

Gordon

Amelia Eiras

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Jun 23, 2019, 11:41:52 AM6/23/19
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I totally agree with you. The not adding of  the MP in to the naming or branding 💪🏼 of the JUGs & cup is scalable. 

my reply was quick (easy to confuse you) to state that your idea really has formidable potential with the cute usage of MUG- if this seems ok for others in our community. 💛

I will take time early next week to check that draft! 💪🏼 thanks for scaling it to enable collaboration via suggestive mode so we can track its changes! 

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Amelia Eiras

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Jun 23, 2019, 12:38:24 PM6/23/19
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About pushing via the MP blog a monthly news letter, that is achievable (likely q3)  & preferred to be kept under the MP Wordpress. That also means a new thread 🧵 needs to be created to avoid messy de-focused conversations MicroProfilers 💪🏼💛 own that thread & chat there! 

Love brainstorming via open forum as it is light & fun & TRUE OSS! 🧩

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Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 23, 2019, 3:52:43 PM6/23/19
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What do people think about keeping the MP blog as it is (because it is very good at what it does already)
but perhaps seeding/helping a (global) MicroProfile User Group and that then having a newsletter from a more grass
roots, less vendored, perspective?

Perhaps the user group's objectives could be

1 - attempt to advocate for our users - what do they want to get working better together or new?
2 - help MicroProfile users get the best out of MP - there is quite a lot of activity here already so less need of this?
3 - help with affiliated local groups
4 - host an annual get together conference <jk>

The number of non-vendor repos at https://github.com/search?q=microprofile seems
to have grown quite a bit so I have hope that a MUG will become viable and self-supporting at some point -
just a matter of time perhaps.

Thoughts?

Gordon



On Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:38:24 UTC+1, Amelia Eiras wrote:
About pushing via the MP blog a monthly news letter, that is achievable (likely q3)  & preferred to be kept under the MP Wordpress. That also means a new thread 🧵 needs to be created to avoid messy de-focused conversations MicroProfilers 💪🏼💛 own that thread & chat there! 

Love brainstorming via open forum as it is light & fun & TRUE OSS! 🧩

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Amelia Eiras

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Jun 23, 2019, 4:57:24 PM6/23/19
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I think the newsletter has great potential & could have a section for MP JUG updates created directly by the groups themselves.

The most valuable thing about a newsletter is in how it chooses to scale & integrate bast/diverse voices to its creation _each time_ (template is required) without Members' log  or dedicated Leads.
What works is having be under  Steward's mentality,  protecting it while making it a true OSS newsletter for MicroProfile. This is easy to achieve. We just need the bare minimum to start and modify.  

Further, I think that supporting global JUG communities interested in formally adopting MicroProfile is at the heart of what we would like to see more of.

  1. MP Releases—  how they affect not only users but Global JUG communities of coders—  are directly linked. YET, we have not gathered the KPI b/c the structure has not been set up to trace it.   

Work-in Progress deal with MP OUTreach “POTENTIAL” new Features:


Smiling, you are awesome Gordon! :) 
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Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 25, 2019, 5:33:11 PM6/25/19
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I did not 'pin' this thread, someone else must have.

Gordon Hutchison

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Jun 25, 2019, 5:40:57 PM6/25/19
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Please could someone unpin this as it is neither particularly urgent or important IMHO?
I don't have auth to either pin or unpin. 

Amelia Eiras

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Jun 25, 2019, 5:54:53 PM6/25/19
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Done Gordon! 

How "display on top” or “pin" works in the forum is that we clean/process the topics each month [usually last week :)] leaving up to 5 max. 
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John Clingan

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Jul 22, 2019, 7:03:13 PM7/22/19
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I had an AI from the last Live Hangout to read up on this thread and the verbiage. I'm back from PTO, so here goes. I read the writeup in the group thread, and I wonder if we actually need it. I'm not against posting the guideline somewhere on our wiki, but it feels like cart before the horse. Sorry, I can't recall if there is a group starting up. IIRC, you mentioned there were two links to a google doc, but this is the only one that I found in this thread. Correct writeup?

As for MUG vs MPUG, I don't think we should shorten at all. We need the MicroProfile brand recognition. Me-thinks we are pre-optimizing an acronym before we have hit any kind of critical mass.

Gordon Hutchison

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Jul 23, 2019, 8:43:19 AM7/23/19
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Hi John,

Let's strike the agenda item from the live hangout meeting agenda for now
- at least as far as I am concerned, I just don't think the cost/benefit in terms of time spent
is there at the moment.

I think the current/default process for using the term 'MicroProfile' in a user group name
(as the Eclipse Foundation legally 'owns' the name, that would currently be sending a permission request to license at eclipse-foundation.o.r.g.)
is 'good enough' for now.

Regarding naming, if users start a user group, they are free to choose their own name.

Gordon.
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