Finishing start.microprofile.io

[David Blevins]

Hey Team,

Our status is that few people know how infra works because it's mostly done offline. I haven't seen much communication on start.microprofile.io so that problem is likely to continue. Maybe we can get a high level view of the status and see what we can work out here?

Ryan, I've seen some mockups from you once. Can you post them to the list for everyone to see?

Rudy, do you have them and are you working on them or are you waiting on something?

Cesar H & Cesar S: I'm not too sure what your individual roles are. If it is to facilitate, you can help us break out of our infra rut by pushing everyone on list. Definitely chime in with any status.


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[Rudy De Busscher]

David,

Now I'm not sure who will provide the server.

Initial idea was that Eclipse Foundation would provide it, then Cesar said it would be RedHat (they even created a Docker image for it) and now you send me AWS credentials.

See also https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-starter/pull/11

I have a first version of the mockups, but it needs to be adjusted a bit because it will be standalone (discussed with Ryan) and I'm waiting for the CSS.

Regards

Rudy

[David Blevins]

> On Dec 9, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Rudy De Busscher <rdebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Now I'm not sure who will provide the server.
>
> Initial idea was that Eclipse Foundation would provide it, then Cesar said it would be RedHat (they even created a Docker image for it) and now you send me AWS credentials.
> See also https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-starter/pull/11

All confusion here is self-inflicted. We've got you (Payara) writing the backend code, Red Hat offering hosting, Tomitribe providing design, but every one of us working off list in a PR here, a private email there. Or at least that's the impression. Either way, we need to come together to get this thing built.

Karm, I see you on the PR. Do you have any details on the infrastructure Red Hat is offering? Will Rudy and at least a small number of others have direct access to do deploys and maintain this in production?

> I have a first version of the mockups, but it needs to be adjusted a bit because it will be standalone (discussed with Ryan) and I'm waiting for the CSS.

Andrii, I assume Rudy's "I'm waiting on the CSS" is you? Any updates?


-David

[Cesar Saavedra]

We've been talking about this topic on the MicroProfile Marketing call for many months now. We'll cover this topic during today's MicroProfile Marketing call today too.

The current status is:

1) It looks me a few weeks to get the best option to get funding for the actual VM. Red Hat will be funding this. Karm and I are working on the best way to set this up on a cloud provider. As part of this, I made the request for certificates, and URL re-direction from start.microprofile.io to the web app, once it's on-line.

2) Ryan is working on the style, background, etc. for the site

3) Rudy has provided the actual web app that we will use for start.microprofile.io

Please join the call later today to discuss further. I plan to set up a call with Rudy, Karm, and Ryan later this week to synch up and plan next steps.

Thanks,

Cesar

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[Rudy De Busscher]

The table layout was there for simplicity from my side. (I have done the app in my free time)

 I can also use the Grid CSS option which is available in PrimeFaces.

Are we really going for an IFrame (everyone tells me it is a bad idea)?

I agree that we will need to change afterward when the style changes on the main page, but are there that many planned?

A simple version as quick as possible and maybe, later on, think about improvements?

my 2 cent.

@Cesar,

I'm not available today for the marketing call.

Rudy

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 16:56, Андрій М. <dexteri...@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

I've seen an app from Ryan but we discussed that it would have been
better to inject it into a current website (by iframe or just
providing the only API and using it on microprofile website) as not to
change it every time we do header/footer changes.

The simplest one if iframe, I still haven't worked on CSS (haven't
received heads up on the decision what we will do) but its structure
will need few simple changes (the app I've seen had a table structure
for fields which is really bad for styling).

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[Ryan St. James]

Hi Everyone!

Attached/ here is the latest mockup of the UI. 

After we decide the direction we want to go (example iframe) I will get the css moving forward (if needed)

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[David Blevins]

Developing and running production system is a couple steps beyond a marketing activity. The only implication of that is there should be discussion here in addition to any meetings or discussion on marketing lists.

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Cesar Saavedra <csaa...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> The current status is:
> 1) It looks me a few weeks to get the best option to get funding for the actual VM. Red Hat will be funding this. Karm and I are working on the best way to set this up on a cloud provider.

Will Rudy and a few non-Red Hat people have direct access to do deploys and maintain this?

> As part of this, I made the request for certificates, and URL re-direction from start.microprofile.io to the web app, once it's on-line.

We currently have CloudFlare in front of all micprofile.io serving both as a content cache, a DNS server and SSL/TLS cert provider.

Once we know the IP address of the machine that will host the app, we should be able to setup Cloudflare to forward start.microprofile.io to that host like we currently forward the base microprofile.io to wpengine.com. No additional cert should be necessary.

I spent some time last night attempting to get more people access to that CloudFlare account. It gave me a 429 API rate limit exceeded after just two invites. I plan to check that and keep it going.

> Please join the call later today to discuss further. I plan to set up a call with Rudy, Karm, and Ryan later this week to synch up and plan next steps.

Meetings are great, but let's keep this thread going for those of us who can't attend.



-David

[David Blevins]

> On Dec 10, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Rudy De Busscher <rdebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are we really going for an IFrame (everyone tells me it is a bad idea)?
> I agree that we will need to change afterward when the style changes on the main page, but are there that many planned?

That seems like the key question.

> A simple version as quick as possible and maybe, later on, think about improvements?

Agreed.

To me the most important thing here is our ability to evolve it. As long as we're working towards something more of us have access to change/update, we should be agile enough to iterate.


-David

[Cesar Saavedra]

David,

Yes, this is an effort that involves many people from the community, beyond marketing. A few of us have been working on lining up resources, infrastructure, funds, etc. to get this project off the ground.

To you question "Will Rudy and a few non-Red Hat people have direct access to do deploys and maintain this?", the answer is yes. My goal is to have the infrastructure ready asap so that Rugy, Ryan, Karm (among others) can collaborate to stand up the web app.

Glad to hear we won't need an extra cert is necessary.

David, who's the main point-of-contact for future Cloudfare requests? You? Cesar H.?

Thanks,

Cesar

[Rudy De Busscher]

I updated yesterday evening the app so it using now a responsive design and already rearranged the elements according to Ryan's design.

demo: http://mp-starter-jessie.1d35.starter-us-east-1.openshiftapps.com/mp-starter/ 

Rudy

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 20:05, César Hernandez <chern...@tomitribe.com> wrote:

Hi David,

I haven't been involved in any start.microprofile.io topic yet, either offline or online.

I'm more than willing to help, by looking at this thread replies, it seems infrastructure is the current work in progress along with design.

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[Michal Karm]

On 12/11/2018 09:33 AM, Rudy De Busscher wrote:
> I updated yesterday evening the app so it using now a responsive design and
> already rearranged the elements according to Ryan's design.
>
> demo:
> http://mp-starter-jessie.1d35.starter-us-east-1.openshiftapps.com/mp-starter/ 
>
> Rudy

Thank you Rudy for the work, excellent.

While talking design/style:
Am I correctly assuming that the initial splash screen will be eventually removed?
https://youtu.be/pj_XqPhyxWY

Firefox 63.0.3/Linux

Thank you for your time

K.

>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 20:05, César Hernandez <chern...@tomitribe.com
> <mailto:chern...@tomitribe.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I haven't been involved in any start.microprofile.io

> <http://start.microprofile.io> topic yet, either offline or online.

> I'm more than willing to help, by looking at this thread replies, it seems
> infrastructure is the current work in progress along with design.
>
>
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> Cesar Hernandez
> https://twitter.com/CesarHgt
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> https://www.tomitribe.io
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:54 PM David Blevins <dble...@tomitribe.com
> <mailto:dble...@tomitribe.com>> wrote:
>
> Hey Team,
>
> Our status is that few people know how infra works because it's mostly
> done offline.  I haven't seen much communication on

> start.microprofile.io <http://start.microprofile.io> so that problem

> is likely to continue.  Maybe we can get a high level view of the
> status and see what we can work out here?
>
> Ryan, I've seen some mockups from you once.  Can you post them to the
> list for everyone to see?
>
> Rudy, do you have them and are you working on them or are you waiting
> on something?
>
> Cesar H & Cesar S: I'm not too sure what your individual roles are. 
> If it is to facilitate, you can help us break out of our infra rut by
> pushing everyone on list.  Definitely chime in with any status.
>
>
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[David Blevins]

> On Dec 11, 2018, at 12:51 AM, Michal Karm <michal....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/11/2018 09:33 AM, Rudy De Busscher wrote:
>> I updated yesterday evening the app so it using now a responsive design and
>> already rearranged the elements according to Ryan's design.
>>
>> demo:
>> http://mp-starter-jessie.1d35.starter-us-east-1.openshiftapps.com/mp-starter/

Andrii, why don't you see what you can crank out 2-3 days in terms of HTML/CSS for Rudy. If we need to adjust later, that's ok. Maybe do it without the header/footer so it can be iframe ready should we decide to do that. If not, it would be easy to add them after.

You mentioned there were a couple constraints with the design. IMHO, just adjust as you see fit and let us know.

I created a github issue for you here:

- https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-starter/issues/15

Design is here:

- https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-starter/issues/14

If there are any showstoppers on the design, go ahead and comment on #14

> While talking design/style:
> Am I correctly assuming that the initial splash screen will be eventually removed?
> https://youtu.be/pj_XqPhyxWY

I hope we can remove the splash screen. I think we'd lose a lot of people too impatient to wait. If page was there, even if non-functional due to still loading, people can start reading the options and they'll probably stay.


-David

[Cesar Saavedra]

Hello All,

Karm and I were able to set up the AWS VM (I created a new user b/c we're using the Red Hat corporate credit card - sorry David).  Next step is for Karm to install the web app on the VM. Stay tuned.

Thanks,

Cesar

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:43 PM Андрій М. <dexteri...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you David,

Sure, will do that.

Rudy, can you give me another choice of html structure we have for that form. I will do html with styling, just want to have it so it can be applied right away. Thank you!

[Michal Karm]

Hello,

https://test-start.microprofile.io

There is an AWS VM running Docker Compose with a Docker image of the start web app.
Lemme sum it up in a handful of bullet points:

AWS/Coudflare:

1) AWS VM comes from Cesar's AWS account;
    I would like to ask Rudy (other infra/start devs) to send me his/their
public key to access the VM.
    The broader access/other people's keys will be set up next week on the
    call: Tuesday, December 18 4:00 – 5:00pm UTC+01:00 (Cesar's Bluejeans, if I
recall correctly)
    The call will be focused on the app itself with infra out of the way now.

2) AWS firewall blocks all but Cloudflare servers on HTTP/S ports. The web app
    is accessible only via Cloudflare as it should.

3) I took the liberty of adding myself as one of the Cloudflare admins for
microprofile.io,
    setting up test-start.microprofile.io. I will switch it to
start.microprofile.io when it is agreed
    on a call that it is ready.

Docker:

4) The Docker image with the app needs a Docker registry,
    so I created this: [1]
    "microprofile" is an organization and I will add microprofile-infra as an owner
    as soon as David helps me to sort out my access from my Google account.
    First I would like to add Rudy as owner so as he can push in there.
    Could you give me your Docker Hub handle, Rudy?

5) Currently, it is a test site, it runs with a snapshot tag, so to push in
there, one just does this:

  docker build -t microprofile/start.microprofile.io:1.0-SNAPSHOT .
  docker push microprofile/start.microprofile.io:1.0-SNAPSHOT
  ssh ec2-user@aws-microstarter "sudo systemctl restart
docker-...@start.microprofile.io"

  The topic is being discussed on [2]
  And we will be opening it on the call Tuesday, December 18 4:00 – 5:00pm
UTC+01:00.
  An outline is documented in general here: [3]
  I will update the README and/or add the information to the infra wiki during
the call on Tuesday.



If there is anything you find wrong, poorly done or outright against
your usual workflows and standards, feel free to lash out at me.


Thank you Rudy for the app and Ryan for the design,
I think we are almost there :-)


Cheers
Karm



[1] https://hub.docker.com/r/microprofile/start.microprofile.io/
[2] https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-starter/pull/11
[3]
https://github.com/Karm/microprofile-starter/blob/run-on-thorntail/Container/README.md

On 12/11/2018 10:31 PM, Cesar Saavedra wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Karm and I were able to set up the AWS VM (I created a new user b/c we're
> using the Red Hat corporate credit card - sorry David).  Next step is for Karm
> to install the web app on the VM. Stay tuned.
>
> Thanks,
> Cesar
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:43 PM Андрій М. <dexteri...@gmail.com
> <mailto:dexteri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thank you David,
> Sure, will do that.
>
> Rudy, can you give me another choice of html structure we have for that
> form. I will do html with styling, just want to have it so it can be
> applied right away. Thank you!
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018, 22:29 David Blevins <dble...@tomitribe.com
> <mailto:dble...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 11, 2018, at 12:51 AM, Michal Karm <michal....@gmail.com

> csaa...@redhat.com <mailto:csaa...@redhat.com>
> (407) 492-9801


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[Rudy De Busscher]

Andrii,

You can have a look here http://mp-starter-jessie.1d35.starter-us-east-1.openshiftapps.com/mp-starter/. (I'm also attaching the HTML source as my openshift account is not playing along and app is sometimes not available.)

But don't use the html as it is generated, it is not the actual html which I used (I'm using JSF)

You can use the CSS classes to style the components like

.ui-inputtext

.ui-selectonemenu

.ui-button

etc ...

I also add the CSS files, they are read-only for me (except for the starter-1.0.css) so changes need to be 'overruled' by other CSS entries in starter-1.0.css

theme.css -> is optional, it gives it the blue theme for the moment.

components.css -> the 'structural' CSS

starter-1.0.css -> custom defined CSS

If you have any question, please let me know.

Rudy

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 21:43, Андрій М. <dexteri...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you David,

Sure, will do that.

Rudy, can you give me another choice of html structure we have for that form. I will do html with styling, just want to have it so it can be applied right away. Thank you!

[Cesar Saavedra]

Hi Andrii,

Could you please provide Karm with your public key (Rudy and Ryan, could you please do the same?) so that he can give you access to the test site (please see Karm's email below for details) from which we will eventually be running production?:

https://test-start.microprofile.io

Thanks,

Cesar

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[Rudy De Busscher]

Cesar,

that test-start.microproile.io doesn't have the latest version. see my previous mail.

Code for this latest version can be found here https://github.com/rdebusscher/microprofile-starter/tree/layout

Rudy

[David Blevins]

> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Rudy De Busscher <rdebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> that test-start.microproile.io doesn't have the latest version. see my previous mail.
>
> Code for this latest version can be found here https://github.com/rdebusscher/microprofile-starter/tree/layout

Do you not have access to merge it?


-David

[Андрій М.]

Hello guys,

Have done the first clean UI draft (no back-end, only HTML https://irrte.ch/starter/), will do PR for issue #15 tomorrow. Used form structure from mp-starter Rudy provided.

Want to ask:

1) how checkboxes will be structured too (as they exist in #14)

2) found it has issues with mobile structure as labels are in a different row from inputs (we can fix it on second iteration)

3) if we will add menu item for the starter. (I've added but not sure we want to do it).

4) do we feel we need jquery with plugins? as I feel they are not needed but that's just my opinion and I don't know if it will have something that needs it in future.

Best Regards.

чт, 13 груд. 2018 о 22:18 David Blevins <dble...@tomitribe.com> пише:

[Rudy De Busscher]

Andrii, and all,

I had a look at the  https://irrte.ch/starter/ and tried to copy the CSS to the app (was a challenge as there was no indication which CSS entries are added to the original)

For the moment I have issues with both environments (openshift refused to pick up my new commit and AWS server is down for some reason)

I'l let you know when the updagted vesion is available again.

Rudy

[Андрій М.]

Hello, that's why I said I will do PR for starter, I've separated it
now and will try running starter here locally, will see what will
happen :)

[Rudy De Busscher]

Hi Andrii,

Ok, it wasn't clear if you would just add the plain HTML  or not as David said

@All

In the main time, the server is up and running again (thx Karm) and progress can be checked at https://test-start.microprofile.io/index.xhtml

Rudy

[Андрій М.]

Hello Rudy,

Sorry I misunderstood task #15 first and could not start mp-starter locally (no readme is a bit of an issue). So separated dependencies and done as was asked in issue #15 it is in a separate folder (you can find files in src/main/webapp/starter-static-example).  

Finished final style just now so there were some big changes. (Checkboxes, mobile variant, css/js separation) Changed structure a bit, changes were needed for mobile variant to look good. You can even open files locally they are structured and don't need back-end for preview.

PR: https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-starter/pull/16

Preview: https://irrte.ch/starter/

Hope this helps.

P.S. As noone answered the questions (found answers and fixed 1 and 2; left 3 and 4 untouched)

Best Regards.

пт, 14 груд. 2018 о 14:34 Rudy De Busscher <rdebu...@gmail.com> пише:

[Rudy De Busscher]

Andrii,

I transferred your CSS to the JSF App. I stumbled upon a few issues because the HTML is generated by JSF and I cannot set at all levels the required CSS classes. (unless I create my own JSF renderers)

So I did some minor changes to have the same result (although some very minor differences can exist) Issues arose around

- label-row

- Dropdown and hovering

- Checkboxes

I have pushed the changes to my layout branch.

@All

I tried to update the test site without any success (did docker build, docker push and then systemctl restart) It still serves the old version.

Rudy

[Debbie Hoffman]

Hi there,

With Rudy's help, I put together a quick announcement blog about MicroProfile Starter Beta for the Microprofile.io site. If you'd like to take a look and make any comments for changes/additions please do so by Monday January 28th so it can be published in time for the release (Jan 30th).

Draft located here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ft5gvrzKKWY2tok_YSDB3FoONJ1tiNdH457YQnfsxYs/edit

Thanks,

Debbie

[Marcia Peterson]

Minor grammatical errors found.

Lines one, two and three missing period at end of sentence. 

Could use the word file or program at the end of sentence one in both areas.

Check the boxes for the specifications you want to receive for code examples.

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Thank you Debbie & Rudy for enabling feedback loop. 

Suggestive mode feedback added with 1 comment recommendation. 

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[Sebastien Blanc]

Sorry I was a bit away from the mailing list lately but I am so happy to see that start.microprofile is getting real afer I launched the idea a few months ago. Count on me to spread the word and show it live during my conferences talk. 

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[David Blevins]

Earliest whisper of start.microprofile.io I'm aware of is James Strachan that proposed it at Devoxx BE 2016.

 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG-XvoIfKtg&feature=youtu.be&t=3667

 - https://github.com/microprofile/microprofile-site/issues/27

The repeated pushes do help and are valid contributions!  Thank you everyone who has kept bringing this idea back up and putting it back on the radar.

Rudy, biggest thanks to you and your prototype that truly gave birth to what is becoming start.microprofile.io.

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[David Blevins]

Hi MicroProfile community and InfoQ readers,

This thread was mentioned in an InfoQ article[1] and I think it slants a little to heavily towards Tomitribe, so I wanted to take the time to push the focus back the community who did such amazing work.

In my mind, Rudy De Busscher is the true hero of start.microprofile.io.  Open source is filled with good ideas.  They are, however, just ideas until someone picks up the mantle and decides to try and make it real.  This one being a particularly good idea was dreamt by many people.  Rudy was the first person to try and actually build something.  Rudy showed up to one of the MicroProfile Community Hangouts and showed us a prototype he put together.  Still an independent at the time, he was not a committer and did not work for any vendor.  He did not have special "authority" to create it, nor was he asked.  He just did it.  That's how open source is supposed to work.

If open source is stone soup, Rudy put the stone in the pot and started stirring.

I recall several of us being very impressed and wanted to encourage him.  We agreed to create a repo where he could work.  That was created and he continued contributing and had his first PRs merged by Emily (IBM) and Ondro (Payara).  Cesar (Red Hat) started putting time into organizing the effort and trying to get hosting.  Ryan (Tomitribe) began designing the look and feel.  Rudy, (now working for Payara), Karm (Red Hat) and Andrii (Tomitribe) all work together to get the backend changes, the prototype hosted and CSS/HTML implemented. 

From roughly August to now, many people in the community have touched the effort and I truly see it as one of the most amazing displays of community work in action.  In the end that stone made damn good soup.  In the process Rudy went from an independent, non-committer to a committer working for Payara.  I think there's something very beautiful about that.  MicroProfile is a community-driven place of opportunity for everyone.  You don't need special permissions to be awesome.  You just show up and do it.  You may find the result surprising to even you and your life changed because of it.

All you need to do is start.  Double entendre completely intended.

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David Blevins

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[Rudy De Busscher]

Hi David,

Thank you for your kind words.

From the initial project presented in August last year, only the templating engine is still there. All the rest is indeed a community effort where I especially want to mention Karm, Emily, Ryan, Andrii and of course Cesar.

We still have a long road ahead of us to realize the rest of our ideas and the ideas of all those people who already gave their feedback through a GitHub Issue.

Grtz

Rudy