On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Paul Buck <paul...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:MicroProfile requires a non-standard approach which requires legal, program and marketing & branding work to get done.
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Hi David,Regarding budgets and fees, MicroProfile would be different from Jakarta (which has a 3 year commitment) but not different from other working groups. What is typical is that a Steering Committee creates an annual program plan and budget with input from the Foundation.
Based on the budget the fee schedule is either confirmed or adjusted for the upcoming year. The current draft of the MicroProfile working charter provides for this.
As for logo and branding MicroProfile is non-standard since for starters it intends to permit non-working group members to use the compatibility logo. The heavy lifting here is the branding and compatibility program that supports this including:
- Trademark Guidelines
- Branding Usage Handbook
- Trademark Licence Agreement
- Registering the logo in the required jurisdictions and protect the brand from mis-use. This is not optional.
Once the program is established there is the ongoing implementation and administration of the non-standard compatibility program.
The Foundation can also do marketing to support and promote the brand based on the working group's program plan priorities.
Thanks ... Paul--On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:21 PM David Blevins <dble...@tomitribe.com> wrote:--On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Paul Buck <paul...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:MicroProfile requires a non-standard approach which requires legal, program and marketing & branding work to get done.It's been our intent be non-standard in these two ways:- not have any headcount associated with the WG budget and use of the budget for incidental costs. Definitely legal in the first year. Budget would be reevaluated every year based on members and needs. Note, not every 3 years, but every year.- not restrict the distribution of the current MicroProfile logo. We can create a separate logo for compatible implementations. It's our intent to have the community create it within the guidelines; we wouldn't be looking for Eclipse to find design resources to create it, just approve it.Does the additional cost you mention provide these freedoms? If not, what non-standard approaches affecting costs did you have in mind?-David
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On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Paul Buck <paul...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:Hi David,Regarding budgets and fees, MicroProfile would be different from Jakarta (which has a 3 year commitment) but not different from other working groups. What is typical is that a Steering Committee creates an annual program plan and budget with input from the Foundation. Based on the budget the fee schedule is either confirmed or adjusted for the upcoming year. The current draft of the MicroProfile working charter provides for this.
As for logo and branding MicroProfile is non-standard since for starters it intends to permit non-working group members to use the compatibility logo.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:21 PM David Blevins <dble...@tomitribe.com> wrote:On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Paul Buck <paul...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:MicroProfile requires a non-standard approach which requires legal, program and marketing & branding work to get done.It's been our intent be non-standard in these two ways:- not have any headcount associated with the WG budget and use of the budget for incidental costs. Definitely legal in the first year. Budget would be reevaluated every year based on members and needs. Note, not every 3 years, but every year.- not restrict the distribution of the current MicroProfile logo. We can create a separate logo for compatible implementations. It's our intent to have the community create it within the guidelines; we wouldn't be looking for Eclipse to find design resources to create it, just approve it.Does the additional cost you mention provide these freedoms? If not, what non-standard approaches affecting costs did you have in mind?-David--
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On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Paul Buck <paul...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:Hi David,Regarding budgets and fees, MicroProfile would be different from Jakarta (which has a 3 year commitment) but not different from other working groups. What is typical is that a Steering Committee creates an annual program plan and budget with input from the Foundation. Based on the budget the fee schedule is either confirmed or adjusted for the upcoming year. The current draft of the MicroProfile working charter provides for this.Thanks for the clarification, especially on not needing the 3-year commitment.As for logo and branding MicroProfile is non-standard since for starters it intends to permit non-working group members to use the compatibility logo.I think there's some miscommunication on this note. We do not intend to use the existing MicroProfile logo as a compatibility logo; we want there to be no new restrictions on the existing logo. We are ok to introduce a second logo that would be used for compatibility and in that regard is not different from other working groups. The community would design this logo.With that in mind do you still see any non-standard approaches which require legal, program and marketing & branding work to get done? (above that of any working group)
On the compatibility logo, pretending for a moment that the WG was formed today:- how far does the compatibility logo need to proceed in the trademark process of before we would be able to cut our 4.0.0 final release? (i.e. can we work on the logo in parallel to shipping 4.0)- If it must be in place and trademark approved before shipping anything, how long do we anticipate the trademark process taking?
---DavidOn Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:21 PM David Blevins <dble...@tomitribe.com> wrote:On Jul 23, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Paul Buck <paul...@eclipse-foundation.org> wrote:MicroProfile requires a non-standard approach which requires legal, program and marketing & branding work to get done.It's been our intent be non-standard in these two ways:- not have any headcount associated with the WG budget and use of the budget for incidental costs. Definitely legal in the first year. Budget would be reevaluated every year based on members and needs. Note, not every 3 years, but every year.- not restrict the distribution of the current MicroProfile logo. We can create a separate logo for compatible implementations. It's our intent to have the community create it within the guidelines; we wouldn't be looking for Eclipse to find design resources to create it, just approve it.Does the additional cost you mention provide these freedoms? If not, what non-standard approaches affecting costs did you have in mind?-David--
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The 4.0.0 final release via the EFSP can be delivered prior to having a compatibility logo and compatibility trademark and branding program in place. What it means is that compatible implementations are limited to say what they are permitted to declare as explained in the Eclipse Foundation TCK License (EFTL). That is basically that the product fully passes the TCK and is compatible with the MicroProfile 4.0.0 specification. Until there is a compatibility logo and a compatibility trademark and brand program defined and implemented that all that can be said regarding compatibility. I expect it would take 2 to 3 months to get this all in place once the working group is in the Incubation phase. Note that the compatibility logo does not have to be fully registered before we can implement that branding program. Once the trademark applications have been filed in various jurisdictions, we can start making progress.
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