Is Google banning anything from Android Market that has to do with J2ME emulation?
Bartek Teodorczyk
Android Market that has to do with J2ME emulation, do you know what is
their reason? I also see at some point there were some apps on the
Android Market that are not there anymore, which do exist as J2ME
apps, so were most likely conversions, and again, what is the problem
Google has with it, considering the apps I'm talking about were free
to start with?"
I have never heard about it happened before. Could you please send
more details or examples which J2ME applications were banned or
remover by Google from the Android Market?
BR,
Bartek Teodorczyk
zeAtBlogg
for "J2ME" does not return any results, so I made my conclusion based
mostly on that.
I also found some games, that normally exist as J2ME apps, on some web-
sites that link downloads to Android Market, but when you want to
download them you see the app is no longer there. Now, of course they
would remove Metal Gear Acid or Cannon Fodder, but I believe I also
found some random free games missing from the Market in the same way,
although I suppose the original authors could have complained and
maybe that's the reason why they were removed, or maybe they weren't
actually as "free" as I thought.
Have you tried to publish that sudoku you converted in your tutorial,
or do you know anyone who published any such "brute-force" conversion
and is not the author of the original app? That kind of info would
give us a better answer to this question.
I'm not looking into this project so I can publish someone else's
apps, although I think most of the original authors of free apps would
actually prefer their software can run on Android as well... I just
find it peculiar that instead of supporting J2ME Google could actually
be trying to do the opposite, for some strange reason.
Fernando Cassia
> I just
> find it peculiar that instead of supporting J2ME Google could actually
> be trying to do the opposite, for some strange reason.
Strange reason? No. Google is a silent war against Java. They used to
support Java ME and had their own J2ME apps for GMail and Google Maps,
for instance. Both were pulled last year.
See here
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=9256
And the users' complaints here:
http://blog.wapreview.com/2578/
Luckily someone saved the last version (2.0.7) for Crackberrys
http://forums.crackberry.com/blackberry-bold-9650-f172/one-day-too-late-gmail-672195/#post6872631
And the version 2.06 for Java ME phones here:
http://blog.wapreview.com/2578/
Older versions (1.5 and 1.0) can be found here
http://wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
not to mention how Google Chrome handles Java Web Start apps more
annoyingly than Mozilla's Firefox, always showing the download window
instead of just starting the app.
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
- George Orwell
zeAtBlogg
trying to answer. I also find it's reasonable of Google to drop
standalone GMail app in favor of better support through web-browser,
plus there are other e-mail clients that can do the job, and
apparently even work better with the touchscreen, on Blackberry.
I am talking about Android Market and Android phones, you are talking
Blackberry, and as much as I love conspiracies I don't find any
evidence in your links that would support the claim Google has
anything against J2ME or Java. After all Android is Java based OS, but
there is something definitively not quite right here, and I actually
agree they indeed seem to be in some kind of "silent war", against
something, for some strange reason. What exactly are they against and
why, that I still do not know, and maybe they actually have to do what
they do in order to avoid breaching some copyrights, or something. --
Love your quote by the way, let me cite the other side vis-a-vis
'times of deceit'.
- "The security of information is paramount, in these volatile
times..."
(Mr. Creedy, V for Vendetta)
On Feb 16, 2:59 am, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just
> > find it peculiar that instead of supporting J2ME Google could actually
> > be trying to do the opposite, for some strange reason.
>
> Strange reason? No. Google is a silent war against Java. They used to
> support Java ME and had their own J2ME apps for GMail and Google Maps,
> for instance. Both were pulled last year.
>
> Luckily someone saved the last version (2.0.7) for Crackberryshttp://forums.crackberry.com/blackberry-bold-9650-f172/one-day-too-la...
> Older versions (1.5 and 1.0) can be found herehttp://wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
Fernando Cassia
> I also find it's reasonable of Google to drop
> standalone GMail app in favor of better support through web-browser,
> plus there are other e-mail clients that can do the job, and
> apparently even work better with the touchscreen, on Blackberry.
Not on J2ME so-called "Feature Phones" (like the Sony Ericsson "Txt
Pro" or the thousands of Chinese branded phones, that while those
might not be popular in the USA market, certainly are down here).
http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/java-dual-sim
What Google's move does, in effect is make JavaME enabled phones LESS
capable, not more. Of course, a smartphone with a powerful Webkit
based browser with lots of RAM and up to date to all HTML5 specs might
"do a close enough job" with HTML vis-a-vis its JavaME GMail client,
but that is often not the case with feature phones.
Plus, GMail's JavaME app excelled and using a LOT LESS data than a
web-based solution, consistent with the feature phones' often slower
data connection (EDGE vs 3G), and limited or costly data plans
purchased by the people who buy those kind of phones.
> I am talking about Android Market and Android phones, you are talking
> Blackberry, and as much as I love conspiracies I don't find any
> evidence in your links that would support the claim Google has
> anything against J2ME or Java.
Killing a totally valid app for no other reason than the "web 2.0
religion" is to have something against J2ME (Mobile Java). Stoping
development is one think, removing all download links so people who
want to continue downloading it and installing them is a different
story altogether, it is punishing Java ME enabled phone users, so they
have no choice but to "upgrade" to an Android based phone. Remember,
Google is also in the business of selling Android.
> After all Android is Java based OS, but
> there is something definitively not quite right here,
Java is actually 3 things:
1. A programming Language
2. A runtime environment
3. A software ecosystem with a level playing field
Actually, Android is "Java" only with regards to point 1. It doesn't
provide a standard Java VM, and cannot run standard, unmodified JavaME
apps, negating Java's advantage of running the same .jar binaries
regardless of underlying OS.
> and I actually
> agree they indeed seem to be in some kind of "silent war", against
> something, for some strange reason. What exactly are they against and
> why, that I still do not know
I think that the evidence is there, Google's Android agenda depends on
the devs building an "exclusive" set of apps that can only run on
Android. Java ME, being a level playing field, negates the exclusivity
advantage.
In short: some at Google secretly wish cross-OS Java apps disappear
from the market, and that people code Android apps.
AppRunner (with all its bugs) gives visibility to the Java ME app marketplace.
Just my $0.02
zeAtBlogg
> What Google's move does, in effect is make JavaME enabled phones LESS
> capable, not more.
Microsoft doesn't want to make MS Word for Macs, but only PCs, who
cares. What would be strange though is if Apple refused to have MS
Word on their Macs, like Google is refusing to have J2ME on Android.
One thing is to under-support other platforms, so your appears better,
but Google is doing it to their own platform, making their own Android
less capable when they could easily have J2ME support as well. That's
what I'm trying to figure out, it does not makes any sense.
> I think that the evidence is there, Google's Android agenda depends on
> the devs building an "exclusive" set of apps that can only run on
> Android. Java ME, being a level playing field, negates the exclusivity
> advantage.
kind of market monopoly, but if Android was not so popular lack of
J2ME would only hurt themselves. They already got developers to
program for Android by simply making the platform cheap and therefore
popular. So, now they don't want this app I made for Android to work
on other phones, I understand that, and that's why Android app is not
the same as J2ME app, but I don't see how could it possibly hurt them
the apps made for other phones could also run on Android, that doesn't
really seem necessary to achieve market monopoly or desirable in any
way. Surely J2ME support would be a big bonus reason why people would
decide to buy Android phone, so I think we are still missing some key
information to make some more sense of this.
On Feb 16, 8:30 am, Fernando Cassia <fcas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I also find it's reasonable of Google to drop
> > standalone GMail app in favor of better support through web-browser,
> > plus there are other e-mail clients that can do the job, and
> > apparently even work better with the touchscreen, on Blackberry.
>
> Not on J2ME so-called "Feature Phones" (like the Sony Ericsson "Txt
> Pro" or the thousands of Chinese branded phones, that while those