Hannah Arendt: words, words words?

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Brian Quass

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Aug 25, 2019, 8:38:35 AM8/25/19
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As a 1989 philosophy major graduate who has only recently returned to reading "hardcore" philosophical works, I find myself asking the following question:

 

Is philosophy perhaps a mistake, at least insofar as it attempts to unveil ultimate truth with words?

 

Take Hannah Arendt’s “The Life of the Mind.”  To a person who has become aware of the philosophically didactic potential of psychedelic plants, one is tempted to put down Hannah’s book and say with Hamlet, “words, words, words.”  Was humanity really meant to strain so assiduously for the truth with imperfect language, or was the truth something that was meant to be experienced, something that everyone could share and then acknowledge amongst themselves with a mere wink?  Can truth be a feeling instead of a “final theory”?

 

For a final theory can always be gainsaid and never taken to heart.  A feeling is a feeling and cannot be gainsaid – and surely ultimate truth should not be subject to gainsaying – except for those who choose a judgmental religious doctrine in which the nonbeliever is consigned to the abyss.

 

I think back on 20 years of "talk therapy," none of which I ever internalized, and compare it to one hour of "satori" that I experienced, when a naturally occurring psychedelic substance instantly made me "feel" the truth of all that had been said before.  Yes, the talk therapists were right in theory (with their talk about my need to socialize, the fact that I had this and that potential, etc.)  -- but they were clearly mistaken in thinking that talk (or theory) could take me to the place that I needed to be.  Their 20 years of effort were bested by a few hours of enlightenment induced by natural substances. This has been the big error of psychotherapy, I think, the premise that a mental sufferer need only sufficiently hear and understand the truth in order to be cured by it.  My life experience says otherwise as do the recidivism rates for so-called mental illness.*

 

 

I wonder now if this excess faith in language is a similar problem with philosophy.  We suppose that the ultimate truth can be discovered through words, when perhaps it can only be experienced as a feeling and a disposition: in other words, something that simply cannot be gainsaid.

 

A Native American leader once said the following in praise of peyote-based religious ritual: “The white man goes to church to hear about Jesus; the Indian goes to church to talk with Jesus.”  One wonders then, if, in an analogous way, we “white men” (i.e. we westerners) are not more happy talking about truth than experiencing it.

 

We westerner’s don’t want to “let ourselves go” like that. And so we recoil from the actual experience of truth in the same way that we once recoiled from the unseemly syncopation of jazz – which, of course, had to be introduced via African influences and could only be enjoyed by our mainstream over time, as we learned to stop blushing thanks to our puritan scruples and simply enjoy the music.

 

  

 

*This is not to argue in favor of the pill-pushing paradigm of modern psychiatry, which has used this failure of talk therapy to promote a materialistic cure for mental suffering -- one that (in line with the protestant ethic and the drug war mentality) scorns the sort of "satori" mentioned above, claiming that it does not treat "the root causes" -- thereby implying the highly debatable proposition that such "illnesses" like anxiety and depression, with such a highly variegated list of patient background stories and symptoms, can even theoretically have one root cause in all individuals and thus be subject to a one-size-fits-all pharmacologic cure.

 

Psychiatry's first rule should be, "first do no evil," but their motto today seems to be: "first don't let the patient actually enjoy themselves.  There’s nothing scientific in that! In fact, it’s most unseemly!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sci Patel

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Aug 25, 2019, 10:09:49 AM8/25/19
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Interesting.

I think the challenge here is psychedelics can give insight but without philosophical rigor can we separate wheat from chaff?

OTOH academic philosophy does need to better find a way to incorporate altered mental states suggesting there's more to reality than the easily observed. This goes for the ecstasy one might find in prayer, OOBEs/NDEs, mystical experiences, and as per the OP psychedelics.

Sadly many in philosophy departments in the West at least foolishly abandoned any of the alchemical inner Work or genuine exploration of metaphysics, instead becoming marketing departments for the physicalist faith.

Scott

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Aug 25, 2019, 10:18:24 AM8/25/19
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Psychedelics interest me, from what I have heard.

But then again, a few of the big names of Silicon Valley and Seattle are rumoured to have used them and had deep experiences, but what did they then do? I mean, if the experiences are indeed deep, I think I would personally have a great deal of trouble 're-integrating' into regular society, let alone capitalism. So I don't buy into the hype. I'll make do with what I've been given.

Scott

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Aug 25, 2019, 10:21:04 AM8/25/19
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Scott Roberts

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Aug 25, 2019, 4:59:37 PM8/25/19
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On Sunday, August 25, 2019 at 2:38:35 AM UTC-10, Brian Quass wrote:

Was humanity really meant to strain so assiduously for the truth with imperfect language, or was the truth something that was meant to be experienced, something that everyone could share and then acknowledge amongst themselves with a mere wink?  Can truth be a feeling instead of a “final theory”?


Why should the two be seen as mutually exclusive? I would say instead that they are mutually supportive. Experiences provide data. Philosophy puts the data in order, without which experiences are too scattered and hit-and-miss. 

Perhaps instead of Arendt look into  the philosopher/mystic Franklin Merrell-Wolff's Experience and Philosophy.

Lou Gold

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Aug 25, 2019, 5:22:57 PM8/25/19
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Scott,

... if the experiences are indeed deep, I think I would personally have a great deal of trouble 're-integrating' into regular society....

YES INDEED! But this is true for all deep experiences and surely not limited to psychedelics. The distortive obfuscating "wordly" conditions remain calling one back toward old habits with their illusions. It's interesting to me to note that even a great one (Ramana Maharshi) who experienced spontaneous full Realization continued a regular practice of prayer. Practice does not just "make perfect" -- it holds firm in the face of counter pulls. Prayer is the firming of intention, the holding of a mental stance in the chaos of possibility. Culture is a habitual practice. Breaking free of it requires continuous practice. Gratitude is a lovely way.


Lou Gold

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Aug 25, 2019, 5:37:09 PM8/25/19
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Brian,

 Can truth be a feeling instead of a “final theory”?

Of course it can! But the feeling is so obvious and so linked to immediate action/being -- "to see it is to do it" -- that it is easily missed or set aside by an inquiring mind looking for something more "exciting." The feeling is a calm clear doubtless recognition such as "I am." Just say it and feel it. No magic here. No flash of deep insight. Just the obvious and therefore easily missed. But, as Orwell noted, “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”



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Lou Gold

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Aug 25, 2019, 6:04:41 PM8/25/19
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I think back on 20 years of "talk therapy," none of which I ever internalized, and compare it to one hour of "satori" that I experienced, when a naturally occurring psychedelic substance instantly made me "feel" the truth of all that had been said before.  Yes, the talk therapists were right in theory (with their talk about my need to socialize, the fact that I had this and that potential, etc.)  -- but they were clearly mistaken in thinking that talk (or theory) could take me to the place that I needed to be.  Their 20 years of effort were bested by a few hours of enlightenment induced by natural substances. This has been the big error of psychotherapy, I think, the premise that a mental sufferer need only sufficiently hear and understand the truth in order to be cured by it.  My life experience says otherwise as do the recidivism rates for so-called mental illness.*

 

I wonder now if this excess faith in language is a similar problem with philosophy.  We suppose that the ultimate truth can be discovered through words, when perhaps it can only be experienced as a feeling and a disposition: in other words, something that simply cannot be gainsaid.


The old saw says, "You can bring the horse to water but you can't make him drink." On any path, with the exception of a true gift of Grace, there are requirements for true realization or healing: merit and faith. Merit means that one has accumulated the life experiences (especially failures) to make one deeply, sincerely, truly want to heal. Faith means that one has arrived at a willingness to ask, humbly surrendering a sense of "I am the doer" and being willing to accept the answer. When these two ingredients are present and the seeds are ripe, the auspicious event may arrive in a dream, in a peyote tipi, in a meditation, in an OBE or NDE or whatever. Stepping into the truth, suddenly everything makes sense including the past failures. Until then, "You can bring the horse to water but you can't make him drink."

Anand Damani

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Aug 28, 2019, 1:02:24 PM8/28/19
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Reality was in existence even before Human beings evolved in this planet.
Language came much after that. HUman being used language to transfer knowledge from one generation to another using language.
For every word there is a meaning and behind that is the actual reality of that meaning.
If the exact item or element is captured by the imagination then the communication is complete.

Human beings will b ein bliss if they can create the perceptions in alignment with reality.
That is possible using language. Nothing more. Philosophy or science or any other subject the language has a productive role to play.
Understanding always happens in the human being and not in any other species.


Lou Gold

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Aug 28, 2019, 1:52:39 PM8/28/19
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Anand,

Time is a human artifact and does not exist fundamentally. However, as Blake famously noted, "Eternity is in love with the productions of time."

Anand Damani

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Aug 29, 2019, 2:59:09 AM8/29/19
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Lou,
Reality was in existence even before Human beings evolved in this planet.
Language came much after that. Human being used language to transfer knowledge from one generation to another using language.
For every word there is a meaning and behind that is the actual reality of that meaning.
If the exact item or element is captured by the imagination then the communication is complete.
Time is always Present. The period one activity takes to occur say for example Earth rotating on its Axis once
can be understood as time. Using this reference point human beings created the concept of time for their ease.
By classifying time and creating a calendar they were able to organise their lives.
That is the utility of the concept of time.
Nothing more nothing less.
In existence there is always being and in the present moment.
Hope my explanation is of use to you 
Regards,
Anand.
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