Jacqueline Hobbs (Oracle Girl)

[Ben Iscatus]

There's an intriguing individual called Dr Jacqueline Hobbs who claims to be a superconscious being from a future timeline (see the 19 minute mark in the linked video below), a timeline she says the species is destined to join over the next generations. I mention her because I know BK has mentioned future timelines. She's not just a run of the mill New Ager, so I wonder if others here think she's genuine and gifted?  She has just set up a foundation called Oracle Girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZQlakj7elI

[David Sundaram]

Yes, I think she's genuine and gifted. Here's a link to another of her videos (about 1 hour long) titled "You were born for these times" which showed up when I accessed the link above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqbD3jnJwC4

I didn't watch the whole thing. What she says makes a lot of sense but the dynamics of just how a 'new' time line can 'split' from an 'old' one boggles my mind. I can certainly understand and to a not-insignificant degree have experienced that sort of 'shift' in 'direction' in terms of my own psychospiritual dynamics and consequent personal 'worldly' trajectory - but how a 'new' world-society will emerge .... well, I'll just have to wait and see. I am reminded of David Spangler's book "Revelation: The Birth of a New Age" in this regard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spangler

The best sense I can make of this sort of projected 'happening' is in terms of possibly co-existing alternate lines of history.

Whatever ... I recommend anyone open to doing so 'taking in' her 'message' as a potentially powerful (in real world effect) 'dream'!

[Santeri Satama]

The first part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCWADUwbIxU

What she says sounds quite familiar in many ways.

[Santeri Satama]

sunnuntai 16. elokuuta 2020 1.42.18 UTC+3 David Sundaram kirjoitti:

 how a 'new' time line can 'split' from an 'old' one boggles my mind.

As long as we think of time as a line, mind gets bogged. Durations are better thought as regions that can have complex and highly variable dimensional relations, which don't limit only to the usual vision of dimensions as orthogonal relations is cartesian grid, but also fractal etc. dimensions that mathematics can express, as well as other analogies of dimensions so far beyond reach of mathematical language constructs. 

A good way is to see and feel a duration growing and filling from the center, instead of fixating on the end and beginning of a line.

[Dana Lomas]

Also think this is an important message about plant medicine modalities, which while they are valid tools in the proper set and setting for unpacking shadow baggage, exposing it to the light of awareness so that it can be processed and disposed of, they are not in and of themselves sufficient for stabilizing in one's essential nature ... 

Exploring the shadow side of plant medicine & shamanism

[Eugene I]

I found the best way to unpack/dissolve the shadow packages is to get an insight into how and why they developed in the first place and what is their root and driving force. 

Learning to look at the roots of everything is probably the most important lesson I got form those shadows. 

[Dana Lomas]

Eugene ... agreed, and this can be done without psychedelic facilitation, which if not done in the proper set and setting can actually be detrimental. But however one unpacks/dissolves the shadow baggage, at the root of it is, guess what, beliefs/ideas conceived in awareness. And then seeing how those arise, they can be deconstructed, and what remains is the one state that is never not here and now, baggage or not.

[Eugene I]

Dana, exactly. Simply stated, the root of the shadows is the belief in the independent reality of the contents of ideas conceived in awareness. One that false belief is exposed, shadows loose their ground and gradually dissolve.  

[Michael Larkin]

Well, she might be genuine and gifted, but I note that she asks for donations of around £7.50 per video, and that her site small print absolves her of any and all responsibilities for anything that happens to her devotees. Donations are explicitly non-refundable and she doesn't engage in exchange of any kind.

It all seems very carefully crafted and my BS meter is buzzing. If she were genuinely out to help people, but maintains that the global monetary system is soon to become obsolete, that'd be hard to reconcile with the donation angle.

All in all, I'm not sure what to make of her. She seems very plausible, but then so do all the best con artists. I note that Alex Tsakiris and Bernardo Kastrup never ask for a penny for their offerings (except for books, of course). YMMV.

[Ben Iscatus]

Michael, my cynical self had the same thoughts as you...

[Dana Lomas]

Oracle girl says 'slave-drivers' losing influence ... Be rid of those shackles of inherited limiting beliefs :)  

[Kyle Pierce]

Just a fleeting impression to share. Oracle girl, it strikes me, has a way of talking that reminds me of Jane Roberts channeling Seth. If she is "Seth in drag", so to speak, then I can only applaud. Or, if not, I can still applaud. She is too good to be false, I'd like to think. Or to put it better, she is so true as fiction that the facts seem to pale by comparison.

[Ben Iscatus]

So far, I hear a lot of soothing fluff, a vocabulary of hope. Is anyone hearing anything substantive? 

[Kyle Pierce]

It seems to me that the substantive part is this: she makes it pretty easy for people to have a certain kind of valued experience. Beyond that, it's at least a fiction that rings true to this moment.

[Kyle Pierce]

If Oracle Girl didn't exist, we would have to invent her. 

[beheren...@gmail.com]

Same old ‘imminent salvation’ story that has been around forever.

[Santeri Satama]

tiistai 8. syyskuuta 2020 1.00.01 UTC+3 beheren...@gmail.com kirjoitti:

Same old ‘imminent salvation’ story that has been around forever.

Has it really? Which "same old" story is this, exactly? To me this sounds more like a new turn in our current story, story that combines old indigenous prophecies of time of deep crisis, western narratives of deep ecological and social crisis and civilization scale process change, and yes, also our spiritual etc. hopes and dreams and prayers and visions of pulling through this crisis to a better world - and the future that she describes sounds like a consensus mix of the hopes and dreams I've heard expressed. In relation to my world of experience and how it has shaped my filters, there's nothing too outlandish and weird in this story, just another nice surprise on top of many others.    

[Lou Gold]

Santeri,

Same old ‘imminent salvation’ story that has been around forever.

Has it really? Which "same old" story is this, exactly?

I think the "same old" is "the end and beginning are near."

However, I really appreciate the way you portray it...

To me this sounds more like a new turn in our current story, story that combines old indigenous prophecies of time of deep crisis, western narratives of deep ecological and social crisis and civilization scale process change, and yes, also our spiritual etc. hopes and dreams and prayers and visions of pulling through this crisis to a better world - and the future that she describes sounds like a consensus mix of the hopes and dreams I've heard expressed. In relation to my world of experience and how it has shaped my filters, there's nothing too outlandish and weird in this story, just another nice surprise on top of many others.    

I'm willing to stand under the hopeful canopy of your story.

[Lou Gold]

Eagle Poem

To pray you open your whole self

To sky, to earth, to sun, to moon

To one whole voice that is you.

And know there is more

That you can't see, can't hear

Can't know except in moments

Steadily growing, and in languages

That aren't always sound but other

Circles of motion.

Like eagle that Sunday morning

Over Salt River. Circles in blue sky

In wind, swept our hearts clean

With sacred wings.

We see you, see ourselves and know

That we must take the utmost care

And kindness in all things.

Breathe in, knowing we are made of

All this, and breathe, knowing

We are truly blessed because we

Were born, and die soon, within a

True circle of motion,

Like eagle rounding out the morning

Inside us.

We pray that it will be done

In beauty.

In beauty.

~ Joy Harjo ~

(U.S. Poet Laureate)

[Santeri Satama]

I would love to share with you the music I heard little while ago, which a little rain invited to be sung under the cover of a big old maple tree. The four maidens and one man sang about the trees, and for the tree as well as for people, and the spirits of the forest were present in the divine beauty that feels good to cry with. As it was for the time and the place there are no recordings, so instead I share a a song called 'Song':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2pdcts6p5w

I enfold now in my sorrow
so beautiful, beautiful, beautiful
this nobody can take from me
I have paid for it all

[Lou Gold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kprl0CECykA&list=RDW2pdcts6p5w&index=36

[Dana Lomas]

What is undeniable is that the old systems and paradigms are breaking down, as they are utterly inadequate and powerless to deal with the novel complexities the world now faces ~ the Einstein quote being apropos (paraphrasing): there's no fixing the problem with the mindset that created it. And I do feel that what we're seeing in the disturbing death throes of the old, suffering prone as it may be, is a significant phase transition into a new stage/state of life-on-earth, and there's no turning back. What will come out on the other side remains to be seen, and may well be never before seen, and much will depend on the children who will survive us ... if indeed they do. 

[Lou Gold]

Yes Dana! 

Best to support the kids in any way we can.

[Dana Lomas]

Yes, as they spread their winsome wings, and bespeak in their callings of novel nesting places to come, may they fly like an eagle

[J Finch]

I assume these things can be tested. I've posted before on evidence that confers at least some legitimacy to the phenomenon of premonitions, so this could also be tested in such a way.

[Lou Gold]

Dana,

I like the powerful song of Goaskinviellja, which I posted above.

The translated lyrics say: 

Eagle brother, eagle brother, when, when

when will I be able to fly with you again?

when will I be able to fly with you again?

 

Far north, under Ursa Major, I saw, I saw

I saw your brothers fly.

I saw them enjoy themselves under the clouds.

They asked me to ask, they asked me to ask, who, who

did bind your wings that hard?

did bind your wings that hard? 

They asked me to ask, they asked me to ask, who, who

did bind your wings that hard?

did bind your wings that hard?

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/goaskinviellja-eagle-brother.html

[Lou Gold]

OOPS!

Here's another try: