Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update

[Bert Millett]

ASU Polytechnic is looking very promising so far as an alternate staging area for our event. As I mentioned before, the bike and run course options in that area present much safer and less expensive alternatives to the possible courses around Kino.

 

It appears that we will be able to obtain approval from ASU to hold the event there at no cost. In fact, they seem very enthusiastic to host the event. However, we may need to revisit the date of the event for a few reasons:

 

First, the pool out there is not heated. It won’t be as bad as I thought. The water temperature records for the pool suggest that it will be about 71 degrees in early April and about 74 degrees later in April. I need your opinion about whether this justifies moving our date back two or three weeks.

 

The other potential issue with April 9^th is an event going on the night before on the track just north of the pool. It is some kind of all night walk-a-thon that should be wrapped up by 6am on the 9^th. I don’t think the two events are necessarily mutually exclusive. But it may present a challenge we don’t need to deal with. Your thoughts?

 

Another thing we may need to reconsider in connection with the ASU site is the start time for the event. We have previously decided to start the youth splash and dash at 7:00am and the main event at 8:00. If the pool is a bit chilly, we may want to move those times back a bit so that the air temperature is a bit warmer. Perhaps we could also do the youth event after the main event. What time is too late to get going that morning?

 

Thanks for your continued interest and involvement in this race for a great cause. As always, if you’re tired of getting these emails, just let me know and I can remove you from this list.

 

Regards,

 

BERT

 

 

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[Russ Gillard]

Bert - The "some kind of all night walk-a-thon" sounds like it must be the annual Relay for Life event that is the signature fundraiser for the American Cancer Society, held at about 5,000 locations nationally.  If that's what it is, there will be teams camped in the field inside the track all night that will have to be packed up and cleared out when it's over.  I've done the one in East Mesa (which is one of the largest in the western region) for about the last 9 or 10 years, and it's usually around Noon or later by the time we have it all cleaned up.  The difference is that East Mesa has around 130 teams and ASU Poly usually has about 15-20 teams, so probably much simpler clean-up.  I think it would be risky to plan on using the track before 10AM that day.

 

Maybe we could consider starting the main event at 8:00 which would use the pool and bike route prior to needing access to the field and/or the track.  We could then do the splash and dash afterwards.  If we do that, I think we need to have plenty of options for the family members who are waiting for their participants to complete the triathlon.

 

I'd like to not change the date at this point, since we've got the timing contracted for the 9th, and also for personal reasons, I'm not available for the next two weekends after that.  Is there anything we can do for the week or so ahead of the 9th to help raise the water temperature a few degrees - solar covers, rented heating system, "jet-type" heaters along the ends of the pool ala NFL sidelines, outdoor propane radiant heaters, etc?

 

Thanks for doing all of this leg work.

 

Russ

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[mi...@tri-mesa.com]

Per USAT rules, the water temp for wetsuit legal swims is 76 degrees.  For those that have wetsuits, 71 will be no problem.   For beginners without wetsuits it will be a problem.  71-74 sounds like it might not be that bad, but I can tell you from swimming at masters for several years now that when the temp gets below 78 everyone starts complaining.  If people, especially beginners, have a negative experience because of the water temp, they will not show up the following year.  It seems kind of whimpy, since people are coming to challenge themselves in a sporting event, but most people hate cold water.

Also, you say the pool is 8 lanes, but is it a 50 meter pool or 25 yard pool?  There are very few 50 meter pools in the area, and that is what you need to get a 400 meter swim.  A 200 yard swim would be pretty worthless in my opinion. 

my two cents

Mike Wares
mi...@tri-mesa.com
480-586-1942

[MARK MATTERN]

As I mentioned to Bert in an earlier email, 71 degrees is too cold for most people for a non wetsuit triathlon race.

 

I just competed in the Mesa Halloween Sprint Triathlon (or something like that) this morning at Freemon pool in East Mesa (Power and Brown).  It was actually a decent venue for a pool swim race - do you know if they heat this pool?  The pool in only 8 lanes of 25 yards but we did a 400yd swim - serpentine swim down the 8 lanes then you get out and go back to the start to do it again.  Yes, it got a little congested in some places but It was a nice swim nonetheless.  The bike course was 12 miles - three 4 mile loops.  I thought the bike course was safe as the city coned off an enire lane of traffic for us all the way around.  Finally, the run we did was only 2 miles but you could easily add an extra mile if you wanted.

 

Mark Mattern

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Subject: Re: Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update

[Bert Millett]

Sounds like we need to consider moving the event date or time back if we’re going to do the ASU Polytechnic location for the event. We may be able to find a way to heat up that pool a bit for the event, but I don’t think we can count on it at this point. Does anyone think that a 9:00 or 10:00 start time would deter participants from signing up? Is anyone aware of any direct conflicts with other events if we move our race to one of the other Saturdays in April (Say, the 30^th)?

 

Please don’t hesitate to chime in, whether to me only, or the entire group. Your candid opinion is appreciated!

 

BERT

 

Bert Millett
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[mi...@tri-mesa.com]

The US Masters National Championships is coming to Mesa at the Kino Aquatics Center the last weekend in April (4 day event).  Some of us will be participating, plus others may want to watch since several former Olympians (Rowdy Gaines) will be there.   This is a huge event that we will not want to conflict with in my opinion. 

Mike Wares
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Subject: RE: Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update
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Date: Mon, November 01, 2010 8:54 pm
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[Lily King-Cisneros]

Currently there are no other City events going on the 30^th but that being said, it is a ways out there…  I think heating the pool will add additional costs to the event – something maybe you don’t want to do – no?  Did anyone check w/ ASU Poly to see if the weekend of the 30^th was free and that there were no other conflicting events?  I can check w/ Gateway to make sure they don’t have an open house planned for that weekend.

 

Lily

 

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From: mesatr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mesatr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bert Millett
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:55 PM
To: 'Mesa Triathlon'
Subject: RE: Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update

 

Sounds like we need to consider moving the event date or time back if we’re going to do the ASU Polytechnic location for the event. We may be able to find a way to heat up that pool a bit for the event, but I don’t think we can count on it at this point. Does anyone think that a 9:00 or 10:00 start time would deter participants from signing up? Is anyone aware of any direct conflicts with other events if we move our race to one of the other Saturdays in April (Say, the 30^th)?

[James Hash]

The Tour de Mesa (Phoenix) is the 2nd of April and the City of Mesa bike month event “Bike4Life” is the 16^th.  I think that you could move our event to the first weekend in May and we would be fine.

[James Tevault]

There are two events posted on Active.com and I included the dates for the USMaster event below too.

10 Apr 2011 Sunday Tri for the Cure - Phoenix Affiliate, A Women's Triathlon to Benefit Susan G. Komen For the Cure
Chandler, AZ

16 Apr 2011 Saturday 7th annual Pat's Run Tempe, AZ

Here are the dates for the US Masters event.

2011 SPRING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
Kino Jr. High Aquatics Complex
Mesa, Arizona
April 28 - May 1, 2011

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[Bert Millett]

I checked with our timer (CEP Timing). He is booked out for the rest of April and through May 21^st. We could consider the May 21^st date, but that would be a warm one. Of course then our pool temperature problem would go away…

 

BERT

 

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There are two events posted on Active.com and I included the dates for the USMaster event below too.

Bert Millett
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[Jeff]

To answer several questions;
1) Yes Relay for Life is occuring on April 8th the event starts at 6pm
and finishes at 6am, with clean up following. I dont know how quickly
all of the clean up is done. It is possible to run an event that
Saturday, but there will be lots of activity going on.
2) Heating the pool. We are open to options for heating the pool but
understand the facility was created in 1952 and does not have any
renovation plans. We have heating blankets but even with these the
water does not heat up fast enough. If you wanted to consider a May
date that would be fine as well, but ASU students are not around,
which could be positive or negative.
3) ASU still needs to give permission to use the campus. I can
authorize the use of the pool, but not the campus in general for the
run.

Jeff Vance

On Nov 2, 9:32 am, James Tevault <zstruck0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are two events posted on Active.com and I included the dates for the
> USMaster event below too.
>
> 10 Apr 2011  Sunday Tri for the Cure - Phoenix Affiliate, A Women's Triathlon to
> Benefit Susan G. Komen For the Cure
> Chandler, AZ
>

> 16 Apr 2011  Saturday 7th annual Pat's RunTempe, AZ

> Here are the dates for the US Masters event.
>
> 2011 SPRING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
> Kino Jr. High Aquatics Complex
> Mesa, Arizona
> April 28 - May 1, 2011
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[Russ Gillard]

After reading the responses so far, it sounds like the best option may be to start the event at 9 or 10 AM and stick with the 9th of April at ASU Polytechnic campus.

 

Russ Gillard
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[Russ Gillard]

I don't think we need to re-schedule our event when someone else schedules one at the same time.  I'd say let's move forward, get whatever turnout we can, and move on.  Once we're an annual event, our participation may stabilize.

Russ Gillard

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From: Lisa Yanke

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:09 AM

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Just an FYI- Red Rock just announced a Sprint, Olympic, 1/2 Iron event at TTL the 10th of April. Not sure if we want to compete with their event as they usually draw a large portion of the local tri community.

Lisa Yanke
The Moen Group, LLC

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[Bert Millett]

I found a great website to help predict air temperature for any day next spring:

 

http://www.mesa.azweather.com/archives/normaltemps.html

 

Personally, I’m not sure whether I would prefer to jump in pool that’s a bit nippy in early April or sweat it out on the bike/run in late May. We could probably go either way if we stage the event later in the morning on April 9 or early on May 21. Any strong feelings one way or the other?

 

BERT

 

 

Bert Millett
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Gilbert, Arizona  85296

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[Russ Gillard]

I feel that the likelihood of hot weather that late in May trumps the cool/cold water temps on April 9th, given that we've already cleared a couple of hurdles for the April date, such as the CEP timing and support from ASU Poly.  It's probably too early to predict what other events may conflict with the May 21st date.

[Jeffrey Vance]

During the first week of May the temperatures were around 74(the highest) the lowest was 71 (on  May 3rd). During the week of May 21st it was around 77 or 80... depending on the day. 

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From: mesatr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mesatr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Gillard
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:42 PM
To: Bert Millett; mesatr...@googlegroups.com
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I feel that the likelihood of hot weather that late in May trumps the cool/cold water temps on April 9th, given that we've already cleared a couple of hurdles for the April date, such as the CEP timing and support from ASU Poly.  It's probably too early to predict what other events may conflict with the May 21st date.

 

Russ

[mi...@tri-mesa.com]

The water temp will be approximately 10 degrees warmer than the nighttime low, so therefore 62 degrees on April 9th.  If they keep the thermal blankets on it will help by 5-10 degrees.

Mike

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From: "Bert Millett" <BMil...@WallinHarrison.com>
Date: Tue, November 02, 2010 12:34 pm
To: <mesatr...@googlegroups.com>

I found a great website to help predict air temperature for any day next spring:

 

http://www.mesa.azweather.com/archives/normaltemps.html

 

Personally, I’m not sure whether I would prefer to jump in pool that’s a bit nippy in early April or sweat it out on the bike/run in late May. We could probably go either way if we stage the event later in the morning on April 9 or early on May 21. Any strong feelings one way or the other?

 

BERT

 

 

Bert Millett
Attorney

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Gilbert, Arizona  85296

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:16 AM

To: Lisa Yanke; mesatr...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update

I don't think we need to re-schedule our event when someone else schedules one at the same time.  I'd say let's move forward, get whatever turnout we can, and move on.  Once we're an annual event, our participation may stabilize.

Russ Gillard

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update

 

Just an FYI- Red Rock just announced a Sprint, Olympic, 1/2 Iron event at TTL the 10th of April. Not sure if we want to compete with their event as they usually draw a large portion of the local tri community.

Lisa Yanke
The Moen Group, LLC

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From: mesatr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:mesatr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MARK MATTERN

Subject: Re: Mesa Sprint Triathlon Update

As I mentioned to Bert in an earlier email, 71 degrees is too cold for most people for a non wetsuit triathlon race.

 

I just competed in the Mesa Halloween Sprint Triathlon (or something like that) this morning at Freemon pool in East Mesa (Power and Brown).  It was actually a decent venue for a pool swim race - do you know if they heat this pool?  The pool in only 8 lanes of 25 yards but we did a 400yd swim - serpentine swim down the 8 lanes then you get out and go back to the start to do it again.  Yes, it got a little congested in some places but It was a nice swim nonetheless.  The bike course was 12 miles - three 4 mile loops.  I thought the bike course was safe as the city coned off an enire lane of traffic for us all the way around.  Finally, the run we did was only 2 miles but you could easily add an extra mile if you wanted.

 

Mark Mattern

 

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[James Hash]

I concur Russ