Wiki: One correction, two comments

[alan.w...@gmail.com]

I attach a PDF file made by printing from the Wiki.  I've added three "text callout boxex"; one shows a comment on one Example given, the second is a word spelling error that needs correction, the third comments on searching in an encrypted library.

[Elizabeth Dixon]

Hi Alan, the page you are looking at was created in 2017.  Six years ago.  So I imagine some of it is out of date as the Memento app has undergone quite a few updates since then.

The wiki was created by Bill Crews, an individual person (not associated to the developer) who took it upon himself to single handedly create the wiki.  An amazing feat and something that he did on his own time.

Yes. The wiki needs to be updated in more ways then one.  And I have been tagged to undertake this task.  However, it isn't on my to do list just yet.

I am currently working on videos for the desktop version.  I find that if I split my attention between different projects the end result is usually not a comprehensive positive end result that I like.  So, one thing at a time.

I have undertaken the creation of videos on my own time and I also have no connection to the developer.  Like Bill, I am just an every day user of the Memento app.

Thank you for pointing out some issues.

Beth

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 5:15 p.m. alan.w...@gmail.com <alan.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

I attach a PDF file made by printing from the Wiki.  I've added three "text callout boxex"; one shows a comment on one Example given, the second is a word spelling error that needs correction, the third comments on searching in an encrypted library.

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[Bill Crews]

One interesting thing is that, when I access that wiki page via the wiki navigation index, I don't see the page you printed, but rather a very much older version. This leads me to believe that you found this page by a wiki search which found an ancient version of this page.

I'm officially retired, but when I get home tonight, I'll see what I can find & fix, and I'll notify you.

Since I brought up my retirement, I'd like to say to everyone that Beth & Ernst & possibly another have volunteered to step up to become WikiTeam.MementoDatabase.com, but each of them (of us, as I occasionally do a bit of work) has her/his own limitations in getting much work done on it. In the meantime, the developer has released several new field types, widgets, and other features that have so far remained undocumented send like will continue to do so, making the wiki further obsolete.

Everyone, please consider joining them/us and help us bring the wiki up to date, fix its holes & any errors, and better support new users and those who don't understand JavaScript (or any subset of those things).

Just send a message to WikiTeam at the address above and/or me at my address above and let us know what time you might have available, what aspects you're most knowledgeable of, and what parts of the wiki you'd like initially to address. You'd be very welcome, we'd help you ask along the way, and I'm sure we'd all appreciate it very much.

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[alan.w...@gmail.com]

I have studied further the topic of searching an encrypted library.  In the Releases page in the Memento Wiki, at Release 4.2.0, 2016-12-28, it says "Added ability to carry out searching in an encrypted library." However, when one takes the steps to encrypt a library, one receives a warning that reads "Search the encrypted entries are not supported".  I find that search does work in my encrypted library, pretty much the same as it works in an unencrypted library.  The developer has yet to explain that warning message.  I plan to join the Beta testers of Memento, to get the beta version of Memento and see if it has that warning message still present.

[Bill Crews]

OK, just keep in mind that, once you're a beta tester, that's what you are, and without requesting to be removed from the program, it is the beta version that comes to you on update, and you can no longer tell what a nonbeta person is experiencing until you read about it in the forum.

One thing I never tried would have been to pretend to be a new Free plan user, get a corresponding new, different (nonbeta) Memento user name, and use that on one of my devices to receive & use the nonbeta version so I could see the differences. With a new login, I'd have a new cloud, couldn't work on the same libraries unless I shared them from one account to the other, but I don't know if that would even have been useful. Anyway, I mention it just because it could be an issue, not that it otherwise matters.

You've been descriptive, but another detail I'm curious about is... Once you encrypt a library, you say you can still search it, but I think the issue you first raised was that you couldn't search on fields other than entry name fields. So, when you now say it's still searchable, do you now mean "in the same ways"? That is, can you search the encrypted library in non-entry-name fields? I guess now you'll have a beta answer to that and will no longer be able to tell me about the nonbeta version, but that's just the way it has always worked.

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[Alan Wehmann]

Bill,

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🙂 Alan

Alan Wehmann

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On Aug 18, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Bill Crews <bill....@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, just keep in mind that, once you're a beta tester, that's what you are, and without requesting to be removed from the program, it is the beta version that comes to you on update, and you can no longer tell what a nonbeta person is experiencing until you read about it in the forum.

As you noted, I can switch back to be a nonbeta person.  I'll probably do that, after a bit of playing with the beta version.

One thing I never tried would have been to pretend to be a new Free plan user, get a corresponding new, different (nonbeta) Memento user name, and use that on one of my devices to receive & use the nonbeta version so I could see the differences. With a new login, I'd have a new cloud, couldn't work on the same libraries unless I shared them from one account to the other, but I don't know if that would even have been useful. Anyway, I mention it just because it could be an issue, not that it otherwise matters.

You've been descriptive, but another detail I'm curious about is... Once you encrypt a library, you say you can still search it, but I think the issue you first raised was that you couldn't search on fields other than entry name fields. So, when you now say it's still searchable, do you now mean "in the same ways"? That is, can you search the encrypted library in non-entry-name fields? I guess now you'll have a beta answer to that and will no longer be able to tell me about the nonbeta version, but that's just the way it has always worked.

I did test all the possible search choices (with my encrypted library).  They work pretty much the same as in the case of an unencrypted library.  The search on all fields at times needs some finessing (which is why I say "pretty much the same").

i haven't received yet an update to Memento.  If that persists, I would presume that there is no beta version, for now.

[Bill Crews]

I guess that "fiddling" should be described somehow somewhere in the wiki.

[alan.w...@gmail.com]

Bill Crews asked me to explain further what I meant by saying "I find that search does work in my encrypted library, pretty much the same as it works in an unencrypted library."  I have elsewhere referred to "finessing" or "fiddling" to get search to work with an encrypted library.  To amplify on this I once wrote "Mostly it was sufficient to close the library and reopen it again, in order to get the search to work. In the case of “All searchable fields” I had to first do a search by e.g. “Entry name” and then a search using “All searchable fields” would work."  Bill suggested that an explanation go into the Memento Wiki.  I will add it to the "description" page: Talk:Library Entries List screen & perhaps that will be sufficient.