Ohio screw-ups (was: Re: Random Questions re Philadelphia/PA/DE Transportation/Geography)
Ron Newman
<Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> North Yarmouth, ME is to the west of Yarmouth, ME. North Yarmouth was named
> as such since it was north of Yarmouth, *Massachusetts*!!!
Not as bizarre as it sounds, if you remember that Maine was once part
of Massachusetts. (Was Yarmouth, ME founded before Maine became
a separate state?)
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Allan Sherman
> ME, which was part of North Yarmouth, ME, decdedic to break away since they
> got tired of having to subsiside rural people, and they called themslves
> "Yarmouth". How's that for bizarre??
>
> Do any of you New England people have anything to ads to this? thanks,
>
I always thought it was curious that Northboro, Southboro, and Westboro are
located close to each other in Massachusetts while Middleboro is about 30
miles to the southeast. (Add the ugh to the names if you wish.)
Maybe the plan was to establish an Eastboro(ugh) down near Chatham so that
Middleboro(ugh) would indeed be in the middle. ;-)
Rich Carreiro
> Well, I know that North Yarmouth first incorporated in 1680, as part of the
Maine became a state in 1820, if my memory serves correctly.
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Rich Carreiro rlc...@animato.arlington.ma.us
cloud8
news:ajpoas$egf$1...@netnews.upenn.edu:
> here is another one:
>
> North Yarmouth, ME is to the west of Yarmouth, ME. North Yarmouth was
> named as such since it was north of Yarmouth, *Massachusetts*!!! Then
> Yarmouth, ME, which was part of North Yarmouth, ME, decdedic to break
> away since they got tired of having to subsiside rural people, and
> they called themslves "Yarmouth". How's that for bizarre??
>
> Do any of you New England people have anything to ads to this? thanks,
>
> S.
Yah. Barrington, R.I. (formerly part of Mass.) and Great Barrington, Mass.,
out in the Berkshires.
--Bill
Arlington, Mass.
Michael J. Saletnik
> I always thought it was curious that Northboro, Southboro, and
> Westboro are located close to each other
And of course Easthampton and Northampton are close, Southampton a
ways away, and Westhampton nonexistent. And no Hampton, just a Hampden
in yet another location.
Northfield and Westfield are quite a ways from each other and have no
counterparts.
Almost nobody knows about the existence of New Braintree and New
Salem.
About the only truly "honest" one I know is West Springfield, due
exactly west of Springfield.
:-)
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{michael}
Michael Moroney
>Do any of you New England people have anything to ads to this? thanks,
How about Boston neighborhoods? From a fortune file:
The geographical center of Boston is in Roxbury. Due north of the
center we find the South End. This is not to be confused with South
Boston which lies directly east from the South End. North of the South
End is East Boston and southwest of East Boston is the North End.
(a correction: Last sentence is better if it starts "North of South Boston
is...")
-Mike
Matt
There was no "Province of Maine" -- it was part of Massachusetts from
1652 to 1820.
2, Re: North, South, and Westborough MA -- they have nothing to do
with Middleborough, but instead all three were once part of
Marlborough. And respectively sit relatively North, South, and West
of Marlborough.
3. Connecticut's own oddity (among others...) is East Hampton,
formerly Chatham, -- which is 30 miles WEST of Hampton (US 6/CT 66
connect the two towns). I guess they preferred to be associated with
a Long Island resort town instead of Cape Cod resort town.
4. Then there is the Saybrook Situation...(buckle your seatbelts...)
Saybrook was founded in 1635.
Old Saybrook was incorporated from territory of Saybrook in 1852.
Old Saybrook was incorporated from territory of Old Saybrook in 1854
(yes, I said that right...) and the former Old Saybrook renamed itself
Essex to avoid obvious confusion.
There is no Saybrook today, the town having changed it's name to Deep
River in 1947.
So the newest town is Old Saybrook, and but there is no longer a "New"
Saybrook.
The State Library refers to the Olds as the 1852 Old Saybrook (Essex)
and 1854 Old Saybrook (today's Old Saybrook) when trying to explain
when some records are kept. Gosh, I'd love to be a deed researcher
down there...NOT!
Mark H. Bickford
>
> 1, Re: Yarmouth, ME
> There was no "Province of Maine" -- it was part of Massachusetts from
> 1652 to 1820.
>
I believe that the "Province of Maine" (it being a province of Mass.)
was the official term for the area before 1820. I have no cite to back
me up on that, however.
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PATS WIN!!!!! PATS WIN!!!!! (Sox next?????)
Pete from Boston
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > 1, Re: Yarmouth, ME
> > There was no "Province of Maine" -- it was part of Massachusetts from
> > 1652 to 1820.
> >
>
> I believe that the "Province of Maine" (it being a province of Mass.)
> was the official term for the area before 1820. I have no cite to back
> me up on that, however.
Nor do I, but I have one to counter it.
According to:
http://www.bartleby.com/65/ma/MaineUS.html
It was "District of Maine" following US independence, until statehood.
Will Fischer
> And of course Easthampton and Northampton are close, Southampton a
> ways away, and Westhampton nonexistent. And no Hampton, just a Hampden
> in yet another location.
All four "Hamptons" exist, and they're contiguous.
But the 2000 population figures may explain why some of them are mostly unheard of:
Northampton -- 28,978
Easthampton -- 15,994
Southampton -- 5,387
Westhampton -- 1,468
--
Will
Sunderland, MA
Matt
> > was the official term for the area before 1820. I have no cite to back
> > me up on that, however.
I stand corrected...
extracted from http://www.state.me.us/sos/arc/archives/judicial/courthis.htm
and some from http://www.littletechshoppe.com/ns1625/nshist01.html
Province of Maine, independent: 1639 to 1677
(There was a period from 1658-1676 when Massachusetts exercised
jurisdiction over Maine and New Hampshire, such jurisdiction being
anulled in 1676)
Province of Maine, as a province of the Colony of Massachusetts Bay:
1677 to 1691
(1677 being when Mass bought the rights to Maine from the rightful
heir)
Province of Maine, as a province of the Province of Massachusetts Bay
in New England 1691-1780
(The Province of Massachusetts Bay included the former area of
Colonies of Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay, the Province of Maine, and
the Territory of Nova Scotia, including present-day News Brunswick)
District of Maine, as a district of Massachusetts: 1780 to 1820
State since 1820
However, I don't think the "Province under Province" era of 1677-1780
is consistent with a normal definition of a province, which is a
district of a *country* and in the case the Country was England, and
the Province was Massachusetts, and Maine was a sub-division of *that*
province.
Mark H. Bickford
Fair enough. According to Matt's research and some links Adam Kippes
pointed out, it was "Province of Maine" from the early 1620's until U.S.
independence, following which it was "District of Maine" until
independent statehood.
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PATS WIN!!!!! PATS WIN!!!!! (Sox next... year?????)
Dan Bock
There's a method to the names of those Boston neighborhoods. The North
End, South End and West End are all in downtown Boston, what used to
be called the Shawmut Peninsula. I've never heard any reference to an
"East End." South Boston, or "Southie," is southeast of downtown; East
Boston, or "Eastie," is northeast of downtown.