STAGECOACH EAST KENT & EAST SUSSEX NETWORK MAP

[Brian East]

Regarding the posting by Darryl Meads about the updated version of the Stagecoach East Kent & East Sussex Network Map.

Just to point there is a apparent error (unless there has been a further change) regarding the 16 as it shows it still going to Saltwood. Now correct me if I am wrong, I thought the 16 was going to be curtailed at Hythe Light Railway Station with the Saltwood section being covered by short workings on the 10A (again) from 31 July 2011? also an extra roundabout as appeared between Hythe and Seabrook too.

Also does the 558 get renumbered 18 from 31/07/2011 please?

Thank you

Brian.

[Derek Jones]

Unfortunately the tail end of the link provided by Darryl a couple of days ago seems to have "dropped off", so if you click on it directly it only takes you to one of the main pages of the Stagecoach website.

The full link should be

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/uploads/ekandesnetworkmap2011[0].pdf

To find the new map within the website itself you need to go to the Buzzabout page

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/7buzzabout%20east%20kent.aspx

then click where it says "click here" about half way down the page.

You then get taken to another, mainly blank page that contains a small extract of the map, and immediately below this is a second link.

Hopefully the direct link will be added to the main "maps" section of the website by the time we get to August - it's quite well hidden at the moment!

Derek J

[Darryl Meades]

Thanks Derek.

'Canterbury' Road is also mis-spelt on the 16/16A route. There's also
no mention of the 15-minute service on the 16/16A or 101/102.

Darryl

[Nick]

New timetables for the 16/16a and for the 100, 101 and 102 have been
posted on the Stagecoach website today.

Nick Widdows

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[Mike Marshall]

Timetables for the 17 & 18/18A (ex 558 & 556) have also appeared. The
addition of the 18 to the new 16/17 route map suggests that it will be
included in the new printed timetable for these services.

Regards,
Mike.

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[Brian East]

Further to my posting regarding the Stagecoach East Kent & East Sussex network map about the 16 still serving Saltwood.

This is correct from the new timetable from (31/07/2011). But it only shows 2 -3 trips during the Mon-Fri peak hours which run beyond Hythe Light Railway Station despite being mentioned on their website that the 16 will continue to serve Folkestone - Hythe - Saltwood hourly. Unless the other journeys between the peaks are being cover by the 10A as mentioned previously?. However I have to wait and see the new Folkestone - Hythe summary timetable when available.

Also with the improved frequency on the 101/102 it appears that the new timetable shows all the morning and evening journeys run through without the change at Lydd Camp (100/101) as there are no trips starting or finishing at Lydd Police Station. If this is so this would be an improvement too as Lydd Camp is not always the best place to change buses particularly in the dark evenings.

Thanks

Brian.

[Matt Wheeler]

If you look at the timetables on Traveline South East site
(travelinesoutheast.org.uk)
http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk/se/TTB/SEWEB14__00004ba1_TP.pdf
(apologies if link doesn't work).

There is an hourly daytime journey on 16 running between Folkestone
Bus Station and Saltwood (and return).
From Saltwood, 905, then 1010 and hourly to 1410 (m-f sch) or 1510
(Sat and M-f Sch Hols).
From Folkestone its 840, then 945 and hourly to 1445.

The 17 timetable on travelinesouth east also shows the short
Canterbury - Bridge runs on 17 are retained, but retimed to give 30
min frequency against main 17.
Although travelinesoutheast timetable only has them running Bridge -
Canterbury, they don't list a Canterbury - Bridge trip.

Matt W.

[Brian East]

Hi Matt.

Thanks for that and following printing and studying the 21 pages of the Traveline version of the 16. I am bit surprised those off-peak Folkestone - Saltwood journeys are not included in the main Stagecoach 16 timetable from (31/07/2011) as only the through journeys between Saltwood - Canterbury journeys are shown and it may give the impression that their is no off peak service to Saltwood on the 16. Although those off peak journeys between Folkestone - Saltwood journeys should appear in the new Folkestone- Hythe summary timetable when available and in turn may of superseded the previous plan to renumber these journeys as 10A as previously mentioned in the May 2011 Invicta. It may be and idea to use the number 19 again for those off-peak Folkestone - Saltwood journeys as I believe the number 19 is vacant and would look a uniformly with the renumbered 18 Hythe - Canterbury ex 558 too?

Thanks again

Brian.

[Darryl Meades]

An interesting registration lodged on the VOSA website on Thursday:

PK0000098/229 - EAST KENT ROAD CAR CO LTD, THE BUS STATION, ST.
GEORGES LANE, CANTERBURY, CT1 2SY
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Canterbury
Finish Point: Westwood
Via:
Service Number: 11
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 05-SEP-2011
Other Details: New service replacing 622 (reg no. PK98/7) and
extending the service to Westwood

[Andrew Fear]

East Kent appear to be gradually breaking through the last few remaining
services numbered in the NBC era scheme of things. One wonders how long
other routes such as the 638 and 652 will remain with their current
designations.

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af

[neil sadler]

I wonder if this is a mistake by VOSA and should have read 51, presumably
its replacing the 622 and 51 on the Wingham to Thanet section as i would be
surprised if EK had numbered it 11 when they already operate the 11 group to
Lydd. Pity its not a new Lydd - Ashford - Canterbury - Thanet link!

Neil

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[Brian East]

Regarding the postings by Neil and Andrew.

Just an idea. The present 11 group (Ashford -New Romney - Lydd), Stagecoach could renumbered it back their original number East Kent numbers as 112/119 to release the 11 number for the 622 replacement and there are 2 further SEK (NBC) 600 service number series too being the school services 645 Hillborough School - Greenhill and the 653 Chartham - Canterbury High School although these could renumbered 45 and 1A for example

The Lydd - Ashford - Canterbury - Thanet link would be interesting. However it appears that long distance bus routes in Kent are thin on the ground partly because of the EU driver hours regulations unless there are regular driver changes or using different service numbers en route like the present 100/101/102.

Myself for example would like to see the following Stagecoach East Kent routes joined up 10/A & 510 Folkestone - Maidstone. 340/400/652 Canterbury - Hastings (Ideal as Stagecoach have obtained the 340 contract), 3 & 333 Canterbury - Maidstone Via Faversham on Mon-Sats (Could jointly operated with Arriva).

Thanks

Brian.

[Ade]

Thanks for thoughts on route renumbering. Maybe the 622 should be
renumbered the 58 which used to run between Margate and Wingham via
Manston, Acol, Minster, Monkton, Plucks Gutter and Preston with
through fares and connections to Canterbury. Indeed one bus in the
morning ran from the Plucks Gutter area through to Canterbury

The 638 could become the 38 if it were not for the 38 in Thanet. Maybe
that could become the 70 although the Thanet 38 is not quite the same!

Also the 32 could be renumbered to 54

I agree the 652 should become the 1

From memory years ago the Hillborough to Greenhill route was numbered
the 42

Then of course there is second route 15(schooldays) running in the
Ashford area although that seems to have disappeared from the
Stagecoach website!

Regards

Ade